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What alignment were you?In post 16, Lovebird wrote:I won the last tree game. I wonder if I can win again?-
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Yep.In post 36, Lovebird wrote: You think that's scummy?
No. First, I doubt he could pull it off.Idk, you expect him to policy lynch you?
Second, it would be pretty fucking stupid to PL me for being disrespectful in a game where there's a 2/3 chance I'd be tree stumped and, you know...still get to post. How respectful do you think I'd be in that scenario?-
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When you couldn't do that...what alignments were each of you?In post 42, Slaxx wrote:Wow we worked out a misunderstanding through civil discourse.
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Yeah, it's pretty simple. Suppose you couldn't talk civilly in your last game, and you were both town. Now you're talking civilly - could indicate at least one of you is scum.
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Agreed, and if that was the case with these two...what's different now?In post 46, themilkcartonkid wrote:To me, nasty 1v1s are usually both towns-
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You really suck at haiku.In post 54, TTTT wrote:sorry I made a typo
that last line was supposed to say
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OK this is serious now, what's the reason?
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What you said.
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No, the question is, why was I so different the last game?In post 88, rb wrote:why is persivul so different this game-
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Exactly what I was thinking.In post 95, themilkcartonkid wrote:Can you explain how this is lamest?-
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Where do you get that I was trying to shift blame on you by asking you the reasoning for your read?In post 102, Slaxx wrote:Pers and Milk were both trying to shift blame onto RB and I for the wagon while ignoring the people who just clapped on later.-
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L-1s are serious, dipshit.In post 109, Slaxx wrote: "This is serious"
It was more of a tonal thing, but it read very much as "look what you've started, come explain yourself" than a more casual "hey whats the reason here"
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Can you explain the read or not?
Instead of being concerned that you're being blamed for a wagon (no clue why you think of it in those terms), you could just explain the read.-
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Yeah it's almost as easy as sayingIn post 116, Slaxx wrote:You see how easy it is to deflect with semantics?but it was a reaaaaaction test...-
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Common doesn't make it acceptable to me.In post 126, Slaxx wrote:It was what, page 3? You want to try and tell me that that sort of thing isn't common that early?-
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If that's to me: to be honest, you're right, I wasn't reading that closely. Now I have, and I think you're probably town. You noted yourself that Bujaber's vote was bad. You ought to move there before someone derphammers milk. Milk's actions have been reasonable.In post 128, Slaxx wrote:Shit man if you're gonna take swipes on me just keep your vote there.-
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Let's see... Scum theater involves people going back and forth. Here, TTTT just added a metoo. So, it's not theater.
So, you say it feels like scum theater because you're scum under pressure and feel like you need to say something.-
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So...when you quote two people, mention no one else, and talk about scum theater...you're talking about someone else.In post 152, BuJaber wrote:See my wording.
"It was" theater not "it is" theater. I'm talking about something that happened in the past. TTTT agreeing is the present-
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Not if we lynch Bujaber today.In post 156, Slaxx wrote:This is going to be a long game
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Oh fuck we have a not mafia wannabe or something.In post 206, rb wrote:why do we wanna vote bujaber again
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Yeah, guess what - I'm generally not good enough to distinguish between scum, and townies with an anti-town playstyle. I'm trying to learn, but it's a fine line. That's why you'll see me arguing in mafia discussion threads that town should take the old school approach and, you know, actually town it up. The fact that people don't do that is why towns suck on this site.In post 208, BuJaber wrote:Milk and maybe lovebird.. slaxx if milk flips red
I think Persivul is scummy but I want him to be town because it means he didn't catch me last game because of skill or anything that I did wrong but because of his bias against the type of player I am. He just scumreads everything so might as well just flip a coin to see if Persivul is right or wrong about me next time we play.
Actually no towns suck enough on this site. I hope he's scum. But either way I can't sort him because he's wearing "BuJ is scum" limited edition goggles, and like for someone like him he'd want to lynch me regardless of alignment.-
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That's just the thing, as I've noted before. I haven't had a chance to meta you, but someone here said to youIn post 219, BuJaber wrote:What if it's just your limited view of what is townie.
Look at my past town games. Look how many times I am called obvtown.you're better than that. And now you're agreeing - as town, you're usually seen as obvtown, but that's not happening here.
The obvious conclusion is that you're scum who hasn't yet learned to fake it.
The only PR we have is a very weak protective. Don't blame your play on PR considerations.Not that that's always the correct play. Town needs to find scum. That's the bottom line. Sometimes they have to do it while covering for PRs. Sometimes the PRs themselves want to wait until they get something useful.
Why not do both?But basically between finding scum and looking like town I'll always choose the former, even though I consistently achieve the latter anyway.
Don't know, don't care - but I sense a load of AtE coming.But you know why I don't like you?-
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Consider the setup.In post 98, Lovebird wrote:Ya, he's playing super weird. Like, he's scummy, but it looks almost intentional. So, I'm not sure what to think.-
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So... why don't you have a read on me yet?In post 219, BuJaber wrote:Despite my feelings towards you I didn't let it affect me and I waited for several days and several pages to see if you have a legitimate reason to suspect me but you're still tunneling blindly over the same person you voted in RVS. Maybe I was wrong to ever mention your name. It has destroyed your ability to play well as either alignment.-
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Yeah maybe if you interacted with us instead of sitting back and making judgments like NM you'd be able to figure that out.In post 224, rb wrote:i can't figure out whether i want to lynch persivul or bujaber-
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Who has played this setup before? This has probably been hashed out in previous games, but FWIW:
- Firefighter is very weak as a protective.
- BUT, as it's an open setup, a claim without a CC makes them conftown, which is powerful.
- Scum presumably prime them N1.
- BUT, if scum want them out of the game early, they have to waste a night on an ignition.
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Sure. You can start here:In post 235, Vedith wrote:
Is there an article I can read on step by step play to act as town?In post 218, Persivul wrote:That's why you'll see me arguing in mafia discussion threads that town should take the old school approach and, you know, actually town it up.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... cumhunting
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... aying_Well
Why not?Don't let Scum see it though.
The basic concept of the game is that someone who's informed will have difficulty acting as if they're not informed.-
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It's a lot easier for scum to fake what you're doing than to fake all that stuff in those articles.In post 237, Vedith wrote:I won't want Scum to know how to look town though.-
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Nice, someone finally realizes the implications of the mechanic.In post 239, Vedith wrote:If I had to mis lynch a town and a tree I would want it to be Pers because I'd rather him in the game than just killed at night.-
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Which posts specifically?In post 242, TTTT wrote:
"finally"?In post 240, Persivul wrote:Nice, someone finally realizes the implications of the mechanic.
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This was at egix in 249.In post 252, Persivul wrote:Two reads lists which don't say much at all.-
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So, out of 8 players:In post 241, themilkcartonkid wrote:Having trouble with my IP address on my mobile? I don't know when that will be resolved, but I won't be as active because of it. However, I cannot sort the following:
rb
TTTT
Vedith
Love
THe rest are in a sudoku-esque solved tower and my strongest townlean is slaxx rn, but it's a weak townlean. can you guys focus on getting more and better stuff from these guys/gals/robots? vedith's above post is a good example of "more"
Can't sort 4.
Other 4 are in a solved tower...which is really just 1 weak townlean.
I don't have a problem with that per se at this stage of the game, but why did he bother posting it at all? Seems LAMIST.-
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Then, 6 posts later...an update, featuring scum leans on the lurkers.In post 247, themilkcartonkid wrote:Okay, here's the way I see things. Slaxx is town. I read his iso again and his response to me was very town.
Vedith is leaning town.
TTTT is leaning town rn, but is still mainly null
rb and lovebird are leaning scum for lurking
Pers and buj are... complicated. I want one to flip if we get to the end of the day.-
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Correct. Towns usually mislynch D1 anyway, and the tree stumping feature really mitigates any damage. Any trees who thought about it should have been pretty fearless today. If lynched, you get to see who was on/off your wagon, and you're still around to push your suspects.In post 256, Slaxx wrote:Persivul baiting the lynch (I’m assuming since we discussed this publically you won’t get mad) is a towntell to me.-
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No. I usually play minis and so I frequently think in terms of 3 scum at first.In post 256, Slaxx wrote:Not for sure if RB’s thing was a townslip or not.-
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I. Don't. Care. Why. You're. Mad.In post 260, BuJaber wrote:Persivul I got mad because...
Long defense posts only make me more suspicious of you.
You're only at L-3.
If you're FF you get out of jail free.
If you're tree and you get lynched, you're still here, and you're conftown.
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Bujaber you should've said:
A lot of stumps won't like this song
'Cause them trees like to lynch it and quit it
And I'd rather stay and play
'Cause I'm long, and I'm strong
And I'm down to get the lynchin on
So, townies (Yeah) townies (Yeah)
If you want to win and be in the scummies (Yeah)
Then change your vote, turn it round
Them scum boys got to go down
Bujy's got town!
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IKR...TTTT posted a masterpiece, not nonsense.In post 299, TTTT wrote:
how dare youIn post 296, BuJaber wrote:2 players showing their ability to post nonsense-
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^^^Not nonsense...art.In post 291, TTTT wrote:Oh, my, God Becky, look at that wagon
It is so big, she looks like
One of those scum guys' girlfriends.
But, ya know, who understands those scum guys?
They only talk to her, because,
She looks like a total vig, 'kay?
I mean, her wagon, is just so big
I can't believe it's just so town, it's like out there
I mean gross, look
She's just so, scum
I like big wagons and I can not lie
You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty claim
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung, want to pull up tough
'Cause you notice that wagon was stuffed
Deep in the claims she's wearing
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Oh baby, I want to get wit'cha
And take your picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
But with that wagon you got makes (me so horny)
Ooh, Rump-o'-smooth-skin
You say you want to get in my Benz?
Well, use me, use me
'Cause you ain't that average groupie
I've seen her WIFOMIN'
To hell with busin'
She's sweat, wet,
Got it goin' like a turbo 'Vette
I'm tired of the forum
Sayin' counter-wagons are the thing
Take the average maf player and ask him that
She gotta pack much back
So, fellas (yeah) Fellas (yeah)
Has your girlfriend got the wagon? (hell yeah)
Tell 'em to shake it (shake it) shake it (shake it)
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