Open 750: Forest Fire (Game Over)

[Vedith]

Hi I'm Vedith! \o/
I feel I should do an RVS vote...
But I'm too awkward to do it.
I currently town read Slaxx I might just sheep him.

[Vedith]

BuJaber maybe town.

[Vedith]

This part is boring.

[Vedith]

Because I'm normally right.

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This is not good enough

Then I'm lost for words.

[Vedith]

Except with town instead of scum

Exactly.
Why did you not care that I called Slaxx town?

[Vedith]

Honestly I messed it

Okay, I believe this.

[Vedith]

You mean like majority of posts, Slaxx?

[Vedith]

Do the majority of posts try to posture themselves as town AND are also useless?

Of course they do, everyone wants to look town. And there are a lot of useless posts in this game.

I take the funny guy as a compliment though and flattery earns you more town points.

[Vedith]

That's why you'll see me arguing in mafia discussion threads that town should take the old school approach and, you know, actually town it up.

Is there an article I can read on step by step play to act as town?
Don't let Scum see it though.

[Vedith]

I won't want Scum to know how to look town though.

[Vedith]

Okay I don't want to spam the thread with this on going joke.
I see what you are saying I just think it's not overall relevant any more given how people play meta now and how meta has adapted.

So moving on.
If I had to mis lynch a town and a tree I would want it to be Pers because I'd rather him in the game than just killed at night.
That said I don't want to lynch him as there's better lynches.

[Vedith]

I probably would vote rb.
Not BuJaber

[Vedith]

VOTE: rb
\o/

[Vedith]

I'd prefer a dead scum rb

[Vedith]

Not a terrible stump.

[Vedith]

VOTE: themilkcartonkid

RB town then.

[Vedith]

I'm saying not terrible if not Scum.
But why would i lynch someone I think is town just to stump them?

[Vedith]

But that confirm town says to lynch you tomorrow anyway.
I believe that he's town. I think he would react more negatively as Scum there.

[Vedith]

Really.

[Vedith]

I'm just glad I survived day 1

[Vedith]

Hello!

[Vedith]

I like you're thinking. Just don't over do it!

[Vedith]

I like his dog.

[Vedith]

I think you 2 need to sell bujaber to me because right now my pennies are in the bank.

[Vedith]

I doubt TTTT was actually offended.

[Vedith]

and I will never feel bad here on the freak odds he flips town.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Slaxx

[Vedith]

Interesting...

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Slaxx
Ill think more tomorrow as it's 5 30am

[Vedith]

VOTE: Slaxx

[Vedith]

Also, we have a WHOLE PERSON WHO DIDNT EVEN POST TODAY

Should we lynch them tomorrow?

[Vedith]

I think I know the scum team depending on the flip.

[Vedith]

It can wait until tomorrow.
Scum probably know what I mean, and I'm never the night kill tonight anyway.

So I want to see what they post tomorrow to confirm my thoughts.

[Vedith]

No, I cant accept that

Don't make me put a blanket over you!

[Vedith]

Maybe we lynch rb today.

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Well I think both Scum are in th you and Lovebird. Maybe TTTT at a push.
BuJ and Pers most likely town though

[Vedith]

They were baiting the lynch D1, but D2 they super picked up the pace. Today has been good too. They're actually interacting

Sure Scum would pick up the pace day 2?

Also I town read both of them because how they are playing. It looks like town

[Vedith]

Why do I need to sell it?

[Vedith]

Why would people not just sheep me and trust me?

[Vedith]

Am I town for you?

[Vedith]

this is a bad looking question imo

I don't care. I want the answer.

[Vedith]

I'm not sure but like you could be going after me as arso without getting any pushback from people but you didn't. Seems anti-scum to me.

Okay I just didn't want you to have a town read when to the human eye I haven't done anything.

[Vedith]

@Vedith
I caught scum!rb once in a Newbie game
when I replaced in to a stalled-out game where he was IC
I called him out for letting the game state devolve to that point as being anti-town
this was probably two years ago
so not sure if it would apply here
thoughts?

Yeah I feel like I've seen something along the lines with rb too.
He's a loud player and I just don't think he's made an impact this game.

[Vedith]

Giving reads before thread is locked, towny.

Wouldn't Scum do this to look town though, knowing they wouldn't be killed.
And in this setup if town aren't on the right page anyway Scum are less likely to kill earlier anyway.

I thought it was NAI

[Vedith]

Was this the scumteam solve you had to wait to say from yesterday?

No I had a different particular 2 people.

[Vedith]

If 2 people are killed tonight and town is lynched today it's over anyway

[Vedith]

Slaxx talk to me.
Do I have bad reads and why?

[Vedith]

Milky you too.
It's possibly MyLo today so convince me I'm wrong.
Both stumps I'd appreciate a read on all alive players other than myself and that do not require a flip to tell.

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Activity in the game will lose it.

[Vedith]

Well nothing I guess. Do you agree with that?

[Vedith]

Okay, what if I wasn't Scum and you knew me as town.
Why am I wrong?

[Vedith]

I don't think I've ever seen you night killed early.

[Vedith]

Milk, why don't you want to engage with me and discuss why I'm thinking wrong as town?

My reads.

BuJaber

Persivul

TTTT

Egix

Lovebird

rb

[Vedith]

themilkcartonkid (HAMMERED) (5): rb (87), BuJaber (93), Vedith (344), TTTT (352), Slaxx (356) <= LYNCH

Slaxx (HAMMERED) (5): BuJaber (387), Slaxx (399), Persivul (424), TTTT (427), Vedith (430) <= LYNCH

What's the difference here?
Scum had no reason to push the Slaxx lynch.

What's the same?
BuJaber pushes a lynch to stump 2 players scum reading/not town reading him.

Why would he that as scum?
Day 2 he took a lead on Slaxx, there was no reason to do so.

[Vedith]

Because you have refused to give me any reason why. Honestly, I didnt know WHAT you thought until this list and I still have no clue why.

But as confirmed town you should be telling me why I'm wrong, regardless.

[Vedith]

The main read Im concerned on is Pers.
He showed intent on lynching you day 1 but never auctioned, he had Slaxx as Scum day 2, voted but was never vocal.

Normally Pers is a lot more vocal when he wants to lynch, but his replace out just confuses me to why he got annoyed on the delay.
I don't ever see Scum Pers getting angry on the delay and the quiet day as it works in his favour.

[Vedith]

Please don't do this, I know you're better than this.

VOTE: BuJ

Let's bag ourselves an arso.

This looks like aiming for town credit on T v T argument with Slaxx being main focus at this point.
Egix has really hid under the rstar all game too.

[Vedith]

Anyway, here's where my head's at
I think there's one scum in (BuJ, Vedith, LB) and one scum in (rb, 4Ts, Persi)
i.e. no more than one in each group

This alone is terrible and is just giving all living names and saying there's Scum there.
Doing 2 different groups in possible MyLo means fuck all.

The group's make no sense either given the arguments and how people have played.
Rb would not be Scum with me or BuJ at this stage and just looks to be giving potential mis lynches.

(Ved > LB >> BuJ), (rb >> 4T > Persi)
Town -> Scum. >> denotes a greater difference than >.

If Scum then the above only makes sense to have the Scum buddy as TTTT here.
Maybe Lovebird but I don't see it.

BuJ and Pers are basically put to the level for a lynch and I don't think he puts rb Scum buddy as most likely town here.

[Vedith]

70 / 73 / 161 all look forced and no meaning.

148 thinks that TTTT is being an opportunist but never votes, keeps his vote on Pers for naked voted and never follows up or tries to push in any way. Shows he has no issue with either of these plays.
306 Lovebird responds and Egix never follows this up.

[Vedith]

Delayed games help Scum.
Town are more likely to go with whatever because they don't want to put the effort in or feel deflated.
This gives Scum the boost in control of lynching.

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and I'm often NK'd N1 or N2

This is false.
TTTT has 3 games killed night 1 (2 being far back going to 2018 and the last 1 ended at the start of Jan)
3/4 games killed night 2 and again, these aren't recent.

TTTT actually survives a high % of games and wins or end game.

Why would you have the mentality of not wanting to be an early kill (keeping in mind you can't die until night 2) when there's at least 10 games from your last N1 death completed.
When I'm at my PC I'll pull these stats up correctly.

[Vedith]

How I feel right now tbh

That's why we have to discuss more.
The next thing we need to look at is avoided lynches.
Scum won't want their doused target to be lynched so my comment on Slaxx was never a push by scun could be wrong and I need to review that.

[Vedith]

But it's 2am and I have work im 5 hours.
So I'll continue tomorrow although I won't be at my PC until Saturday now.

[Vedith]

Btw I'm hard claiming fireman as Scum won't CC me today not knowing my targets but I feel tomorrow if not over and town lynched I get CC and lynched.

[Vedith]

new experiences man
and I had this stupid idea that people would listen to my reads more if I was a voteless IC
^I already said this

Okay that's fair.
7 out of 19 is actually higher than what stats I was thinking while looking.
I take back my opinion on the situation.

[Vedith]

I also doubt that I would have been doused given how I played so I think it's the best play to make here

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I mean I'm not defending it as smart or anything
in fact I learned a valuable lesson here today to not be an idiot all game because I form reads best through interactions
but I am defending that I did it on purpose

I actually believe it and your post to Pers makes sense now.

[Vedith]

Egix please give reads on each individually and in what order you have everyone as town to Scum.

Right I'm really going to bed now.

[Vedith]

@vedith - are you saying Persivul wouldn't rep out as scum of a game he's winning?

I don't think he would. I've seen him just coast a game with minimal posting in games that are stale before.
AtE is always NAI and Pers was obviously annoyed here, but there's no reason for scumPers to get annoyed at this particular thing.
I've never seen him tactically replace out either.

[Vedith]

Egix I think I want to vote.
Egix makes sense logically from pairings alone. And the lurking with the bad posting also suggests it.

I actually believe TTTT here so I don't think I'd vote there today.

Do you think Egix has a good chance as Scum here?

[Vedith]

the team is vedith + bujaber

Are you CC me?

[Vedith]

Okay that's fair. I don't be properly on until tomorrow anyway

[Vedith]

Did you see that I claimed the Fireman?

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VOTE: rb
Literally just trying to look like trying here and doing fuck all.

I'm thinking rb and Egix.

[Vedith]

Exactly what I'm thinking about you.

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Is it bad that I want to TR rb just because of how genuine his frustration feels

AtE is always NAI.
Never believe it it ever is.

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Yeah I'll probably lynch Lovebird today

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I think Scum are Lovebird and Egix

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VOTE: Lovebird

I don't think much will change my mind today.
Lovebird went from town reading rb to hammering out of a moment of panic?

[Vedith]

Could be but I'm not sold on 4T!Town. I've seen him trying to gamesolve. He didn't here

If we mis lynch today it's most likely game.
Lovebird has the best chance of flipping Scum and given RC sees this too as a strong town read I think it's best.

If I was doused last night is it worth me saying who I visited encase of an ignite? Just not what order

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I mean really that whole thing in day 1 between TTTT and Persivul never comes from 2 townies surely. They just ventured off into off-topic land. It seemed so fake.

Or are you also townreading 4T's rep-out?

If it was fake it was fake from both sides? Which I don't think it was.
I town read TTTT yes.
The replace out I'm not sure why and don't get me wrong I am not at all saying I town read RC because of Pers replace.
I think AtE and replace out is always NAI I was pointing out that Pers wouldn't tactically replace which is something different.

[Vedith]

Talk to me about Lovebird.
Do you think they are Scum or no?

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Well let's face it. If we mis lynch today and I'm doused then I'm dead tomorrow and if the game isn't over it means I hit all town right.

It gives the game surely?

Thoughts RC?

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Normally Pers is a lot more vocal when he wants to lynch, but his replace out just confuses me to why he got annoyed on the delay.
I don't ever see Scum Pers getting angry on the delay and the quiet day as it works in his favour.

This is what I said.
And I made it clear that it confuses me. The reason of replace just seemed unnecessary but I can see why you say that, when I was posting i was thinking it over and no I don't see Scum Pers replacing from this, but I don't see town Pers replacing from this either.

My apologies for the confusion but I always believe that it's NAI even when Boonskies does it.

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I think their actions have helped scum, I don't think that necessarily comes from scum!lovebird.

Basically I'm really scared and while I have full confidence in my ability to read RC in the long-run, there's not enough time and he joined way too late here for me to do so. And because I can't read RC I'm not confortable joining any wagon with votes on it already.

How much experience have you got with Lovebird?
Why do you think they lynch a town read when in MyLo?
And why wouldn't RC just jump on the wagon so easily? No one here would have given more shade to RC over you for it.
I also don't think RC replaces in as Pers here unless he actually town reads him before coming in.

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But I town read Pers... Why would he be in null?

[Vedith]

And you realise all 3 mis lynches have all called you Scum right?
If we went by the policy to lynch playing scummy then we should have lynched you by now?

It's a stupid policy imo and is situation dependent.

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UNVOTE: Lovebird
My vote is s there I just want to ensure I get to discuss with RC

[Vedith]

Okay stop.
Take it one step at a time.

Persivul replaced out.
The replaceout is NAI for you.

So you would need another reason to townread him. What is it?

I never once Scum read Pers. His entire play of day1 suggest strong town. I'm more likely to discuss with who I think is Scum or who are directly impacting who I think is Scum over who I think is town.
The replace out never made me change my opinion on Pers and is irrelevant of my read.

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Yeah I was just confused over it and was posting while thinking over it. I probably shouldn't have I guess.
Regardless given how RC has played so far I'd most likely lynch that slot last over anyone else.

I strongly town read you and RC and I think TTTT was town.

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The only 2 reasons I don't see Scum igniting night
A - they ignited night 2 and I covered right
B - my town reads support those of actually town.

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No I was wondering if I could but the wording says other.
If they ignited today and killed 2 town it would have been over. I'm pretty sure I'm doused but it still shows they were worried about who I town read and Scum read. At that point TTTT was null to them but I'm happy to say otherwise.

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Anything if interest to add Slaxx?
Thoughts on who is Scum that's alive?

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RC, thoughts on me claiming who I targeted, or better yet who I didn't?
If we mis lynch today it's most likely over and if it isn't we have confirmed names.
I'll be dead tomorrow 100% of the time anyway so I can't say then.

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Maybe just get the Lovebird lynch over with and if Scum just hope I targeted right at least once.

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To prevent an order to be given or assumed I'll out who I didn't target as all my targets are still alive.
Better option?

[Vedith]

Okay since it's more or less the same I targeted with your slot and TTTT in all 3 targets.
I didn't target Lovebird Egix or BuJ. BuJ only because he probably looked more likely as a lynch.

[Vedith]

Thanks Slaxx.

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Nah you're good I'm pretty sure we're on the same page.
VOTE: Lovebird

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Yeah might as well hammer.

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I was Scum with BuJ

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Who was the real fire fighter?

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It not over tomorrow id say just lynch Egix or just follow RCs lead.

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Say this again but in english?

Lol my bad was phone posting while boss was trying to give me work.
If the game isn't over tomorrow then I'd say lynch Egix or just follow RCs lead.

[Vedith]

No he's actually scum

[Vedith]

Thanks for modding Volxen \o/
Good game everyone you're all beautiful people.

I'm so glad BuJ was town there \o/
Good job RC and nice try Scum you played pretty well by letting town chew each other up.

[Vedith]

Another game where TW sees me have bad reads.

You were great in my eyes.