Open 755: Two-Fold C9++ (GAME OVER)

[skitter30]

hey all!

@mod

i'm always v/la on fridays and saturdays!

catching up now!

[skitter30]

Vorkuta's town by the way.

why? I didn't see much ai in that post?

(i can either do a spamming catch up or a walling catchup; i think spamming is easier for people to read? idk if i spam too much lmk and i'll switch to the walls)

[skitter30]

VOTE: Dave

Let's lynch this quick!

More votes on Dave please!

Roster's town as well!

actually i don't understand like any of these ^^^^

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Vorkuta's town by the way.

Can confirm, read role PM

VOTE: Dunn

1v1 me

my gut says that both of these are townie reactions; vorkuta to jm calling them town at the very outset, and i'm not sure that scum!sky reacts to an rvs vote on her by omgus'ing the voter and telling him to 1v1 her

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You want great reads? Bro, I'm the right bard.
JM up in this thread looking like a tryhard.
Who knows how many wolves and maf be up in this bundle
But I got my gun
I got my rose
Welcome to the Jungle

VOTE: Jungle Medicine

(yeah apaprently i can't stop walling, sorry, i'll try to limit 1 per page)

also i think the gimmick is kinda townie? his reads/opinions are pretty obvious/readable despite the gimmick; i don't think he's using it to make his thoughts more opaque. i feel like scum might use a gimmick to make them harder to read but that's not the vibe i'm getting here, and most of the time i dont' think scum commit to this sort of gimmick long term

this read is kinda dependant on who the main is and what kind of personalityt they have and idk who the main is so it's not like a super strong read but in a vaccum i think this sort of gimmick comes from town more often than not

also from what i've seen of jm before i'm not sure the try-hardness is out of character for them

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There's no way Rich will keep on rhyming throughout the entire game.
When he breaks, I'll vote him

why would you vote him when he breaks?

[skitter30]

VOTE: Skygazer
Good vote Dunn

hi Sky <3

~ quack

hi tw!!! it's been surprisingly long since we played together

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Why Sky over Dave, Duckling?

because your push on dave seems to have no reasoning behind it

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Vorkuta, Roster, & Rich are town.

VOTE: Chemist

This is scum because awkward vote on Chenn & ignoring everything above to prolong RVS.

yeah ngl i was thinking that too

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Like, we just caught scum and youre asking if its a pressure vote?

but I'm not scum tho

eh your reaction to this, and fuscosco's vote on you, isn't great

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I do and I would..but...

I don't like Jungle atm though. Rain check?

what don't you like about them rn?

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VOTE: Rich

is this policy? i think h'es kinda townie actually

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The transition from RVS into proper D1 is always awkward especially when not everyone (hi skitter) has even checked in, but let's see what I can do.

Chemist's somewhat hostile reaction to the RVS counter votes feel town.
I feel that a few more people might pile up on the wagon, but then it'll naturally diffuse and flow on to the next person.

Jungle's town reads are 1000!% factual and correct.

Then do the smart thing
Jump onto the Chenn wagon!

No.

But keep up the good work Rich

Why does Sky want to 1v1 Dunn? Prior vendetta or something?

a) i'm vla on fridays and saturdays regularly; the game started just after i wasn't able to post till just now

b) chemist's hostile reaction felt scummy

c) why are jungle's townreads correct? she listed three townreads, and like from your pov you're always going to say she's right about you but how do you know if she's right about the others?

d) i'm pretty sure that sky's reaction was a meme reaction to dunn's rvs vote on her, and i think it's +town for her

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This is a damned if I do and damned if I don't situation

where it doesn't matter what I say, you've already made up your minds on me being scummier than others who didn't post.

this feels like an over-reaction to someone voting you

I mean it's D1 and RVS- anything that anyone is going to say is going to be content deprived regardless so I gotta take risks in making posts.
Sure if a wagon on me spurs some sort of discussion then I'm all for it

i'm trying to decide if this is a townie being cavalier about getting wagoned or scum just saying this in order to look townie by looking cavalier about getting wagoned. i can't tell which this is rn

[skitter30]

VOTE: Jungle

Skyg 1% town scented
Will read Vorkuta with 110% accuracy in a few more pages

~ all tw

i don't particularly understand the jungle votes; i don't think much of what they've done is ai really
i think sky is my strongest townread rn actually

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dave's scumpinging me. it's entirely gut but his posts feel kinda ? tonally weird

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creature's probably (?) town
or, at least, in a game that isn't multiball i'd call his posting town-indicative for him but idk how well he can mimic that in multiball

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i think vorkuta is one of those people with a scummy posting style but i'm overall i'm tending town on him

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skitter!

sky!!!!

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i'm caught up!

townie: sky, vorkuta, creature maybe, rich
scummy: chenn

gutscum: dave but i have literally no artcutable reason for it; it's entirely gut

everyone else i don't have an opinion on or i forgot they exist

VOTE: chenn

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pedit

what don't you like about them rn?

Too serious too soon.

not sure that's actually scum-indicative for them tho

[skitter30]

This is the SK

It's an open setup, perhaps a little complicated but easy to tell what roles are absent.

yeh, can see dave being scum

Why, and in particular why from that post? I’m genuinely mystified how pointing out no sk in setup is a bad thing.

ngl this also feels kinda bad

[skitter30]

actually
VOTE: dave

[skitter30]

Yeah that totally doesn’t feel serious.

??? how do they not feel serious

[skitter30]

or, at least, in a game that isn't multiball i'd call his posting town-indicative for him but idk how well he can mimic that in multiball

I played multiball as scum recently and I didn't really want to kill the other scumteam. I'd be more aiming to lynch town rn.

eh you can link me and maybe i'll take a look but if i'm being honest i probably won't

[skitter30]

all of the posts except maybe the 12 i think she was being serious about
(or, at least, if she's scum, she wants to seem like she's serious about)

[skitter30]

Maybe I have a higher standard of what serious means?
Anything not founded in some kind of fact to me fails that test.

honestly i don't see how you *don't* see them as being serious?

like even if she didn't specifiy the reasons i'm pretty sure she can provide some when asked

[skitter30]

can more people vote dave, ty

jungle why are you voting the hydra

@buj why are you scumreading jungle and vorkuta, i don't see either of those

[skitter30]

jungle why are you voting the hydra

I think removing them from the game will further our win condition.

y tho; if they're town they're both pretty strong town players and i'd like to have them around

i think tw is a dangerous scum player but bujaber is a bajillion times more readable and should make the hydra as a whole readable imo

[skitter30]

i want to wagon dave rn

[skitter30]

that means like nothing to me, sorry

[skitter30]

Someone being "strong town" is bad reason to keep them around when they're scum, by the way.

i mean sure but i dont' have any particular reason to think they're scum rn

[skitter30]

can more people vote dave, ty

jungle why are you voting the hydra

@buj why are you scumreading jungle and vorkuta, i don't see either of those

I take back the read on jungle now that I know they didn't read.
Practical lesson here on why you need to read, otherwise you get scumread for townreading people really easily in a multiball.

Vorkuta because they seem overly defensive. They want to progress this game they don't need all the fluff explaining that they're doing that and that they don't care if they get wagoned, you know?. I don't have anything extra to say that sky didn't already.

ok why were you scumreading jungle when you thought they knew it was multiball but changed your mind when you realized they didn't know this
(ie how was your read contingent on themknowing it was multiball)

i don't really vibe the vorkuta read rn

[skitter30]

And yeah this is the hydra that is scum's worst nightmare, while being the only account where tw loses as scum

you're definitely easier to read than he is

i think neither of you have posted anything ai yet

i'll prob read you both by waiting to see if you towntell; i don't think i can read tw well these days

[skitter30]

yeah i know
i don't think i'm supposed to know that either but still it lets me gauge how you're playing based on what i know about your personality

[skitter30]

Vorkuta, Roster, & Rich are town.

VOTE: Chemist

This is scum because awkward vote on Chenn & ignoring everything above to prolong RVS.

I'm adding Skitter & Fusco to my list of townies.

don't remember anything about roster
i had some townpings off of fusco's reaction to your vote on {chemist or chenn? i'm going to get them confused probably} but not enough to townbin them rn

[skitter30]

no it was me saying that i disagreed with buj's scumread on you
buj might be town

[skitter30]

actually maybe not im still thinking about it

pedit sorry

[skitter30]

They can't explain they got told off.

hey since you now think jungle towntold do u want to vote dave with me?

[skitter30]

nah we're out of rvs now

[skitter30]

Not sure why everyone is pinging Dave as scummy, maybe they know something I don’t know. For me he is a town lean, specifically for this post

no that post was bad

[skitter30]

Skitter is town. Can you explain your scum read on Chenn?

i just went back and whenever i said chenn i really meant chemist, and i meant to be voting chemist (and not chenn) at that time

i have like no thoughts on chenn

chemist's entrance was kinda meh in a way that i find scum rvs-entrances often are and his reaction to getting called out on it was bad

[skitter30]

Skygazer- honestly this is one of the worst reasons I’ve ever heard of! So scummy. Scum scum scum

also no

[skitter30]

Eh, it might pass.

Part of my chronic problem is that certain people get townreads automatically and I’m not one of them.
I’m literally clueless about why. But asking about it seems to result in more scumreads.
It’s like my own personal windmill to joust.

Sorry, not trying to make u angry. Do u think u ought to be townread rn?

You're.... not duck. Imma wait until duck gets back. /s

they don't need all the fluff explaining that they're doing that

I'm being scum read for trying to make my posts seem fun and fluffy. Ok. Lesson learnt.

and that they don't care if they get wagoned, you know?

I don't think that an early D1 wagon on me will get through, so I'm being slightly cavalier about it.
It'll help me scum hunt better.

Still like my vote on this.

Why

By the way Skitter, something to remember about the current gamestate: You know something about me that others don't.

Please explain

Seconded.

(I think) i know who her main is

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also upon further introspection i think i retract the townread i kinda gave bujaber

[skitter30]

Yeh, DuckDuckJab can go

U wot m8

also upon further introspection i think i retract the townread i kinda gave bujaber

I gave up my preferred wagon for you.

No more

VOTE: vorkuta

which of u wrote these?

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creature is prob town

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It ends when I sit down to read.

Or, more practically, it ends when people start talking seriously.

I'm looking at stuff quickly before going to pick my daughter up at the hospital after her surgery.
I'm reasonably certain that by this point there were plenty of serious things, possibly including discussion of whether things were serious or not. Short of time to verify.

i'm sorry to hear this, i hope she's ok

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Hey Skitter, are you still sure you want to lynch Dave?

haven't really seen anything to change my mind + idk where else i'd vote except for maybe like chemist cuz i'm not really scumreading that many people rn

why are you asking

[skitter30]

idk if i see scum motivation so much as they tonally feel weird + the way you're so focused on the setup (and the notion of multiball overall) feels scum-indicative to me. 120 in particular is pinging me for both those reasons. it's kinda hard to put into words but like it kinda feels to me like you thought you were making neutral non-ai posts about the setup and you're confused how anyone could have possibly read anything scum-indicative in what you posted when you were trying to make the posts alignment-neutral. idk how well i explained that

i also don't like how you dismissed jm's reads as being not-serious

[skitter30]

ok what do u think about what i just said?

[skitter30]

Perhaps somewhat understandable if you don't know that I'm a highly mechanics-oriented player.
I think it would be quite obvious if you look at my recently completed games, for example Greatest Idea or BooneyToonz Extravaganza.

From a town perspective it's extremely important to make sure that other town don't play the game like single ball. In the Greatest Idea game I was suspecting some highly townread players precisely because they were being too easy with their townreads and too easily townread by others.

It is also not hard to find in my meta that I place extremely low weight on early and unexplained townreads, especially when they are on players with only one post at the point of the read. JM's later posting is significantly better. You may also be overlooking that my position on JM was in response to PenguinPower's read on JM being based on "being serious too early" and in fact I'm questioning that push since you can't really infer if posts saying "X is town" without a reason that early in the game are in fact serious or not.

It's very helpful to me that you're engaging me, thanks.

And my daughter's feeling pretty good considering. We'll see how well it holds up after the meds wear off.

a) i did not know that you're a highly mechanical oriented player; i don't think i've ever played with you before. that does provide some context for how you've been approaching this game. i kinda doubt i'll read up on your meta in the very near future if i'm being honest tho; i might later in the game if we're both still around and it's a ~game-critical~ moment

b) i still think that your posts are weird tonally, and i still don't like 120

c) i guess it's fair that you couldnt' tell if jm was being serious at that stage of teh game if all you've ever seen of her were those posts; with context of having played with her before i'm pretty sre she meant those posts to be taken seriously

d) i'm happy to hear tha tyour daughter is feeling ok i hope the surgery went well

[skitter30]

skitter! has your meta changed since we last played? are you suddenly just super confident in reading me? what makes my play here different than when you used to get super paranoid about me

probably the most signifiant change in my meta is that i dont' rely on walls/cases as much and that i try to do real-time interactions more if i have time for it

i still don't think i've played a game with scum!you but i've gotten a better feel for how town!you plays in those games
yeah i was paranoid before but i learned from those experiences to build a sense for how you react to things.

[skitter30]

duck can be town

do tell

[skitter30]

Also because I'm getting the feeling she's only doing it to fake a read change on you like she would become convinced by your arguments.

This would make her scum who

thinks

you're town. I don't think your interactions indicate same side scum.

-BuJ

oh this is spicy
i'm *extremely* interested in hearing more about this

how is tw reading me?

[skitter30]

Sky's townish.

she is!

[skitter30]

Vorkuta – 3/9 – Skygazer, Persivul, DuckDuckJab

why is this a thing

[skitter30]

prob town: you, sky, creature, maybe rich

scummy: chemist

somewhere ~nullscum: the duck hydra, dave

don't have reads on other people or i forgot they exist

[skitter30]

vorkuta's prob town too, forgot to put that in

[skitter30]

i feel like we talked about him already?
he townpinged at some point earlier (iirc it was how he reacted to chemist's entrace) but it wasn't enough to give him a townread. i don't think he's done much ai since then

[skitter30]

@chenn why chemist?

@dave: do you like town or scum more? which do you think you're better at?

[skitter30]

Chemist is trying to get us out of RVS, thats all I have rn

Nvm I am way less confident on this

i kinda think this is town

[skitter30]

Also because I'm getting the feeling she's only doing it to fake a read change on you like she would become convinced by your arguments.

This would make her scum who

thinks

you're town. I don't think your interactions indicate same side scum.

-BuJ

oh this is spicy
i'm *extremely* interested in hearing more about this

how is tw reading me?

Oh we disagree heavily right now. It's why I'm not interested in pushing you at this time. Just exercising caution.

But we also haven't sat down to really talk talk.

So forgive me for not going into detail for now. I want to see what conclusions we arrive at after we've discussed in detail.

It's typical for us to disagree, particularly in the beginning. It's why this hydra works. We have a unique view on things.

Random advice to people: if you want to hydra with someone don't do it with people who think along the same lines. The advantage comes from having different perspectives.

-BuJ

i'd be very interested in hearing more about this when you're ready to talk about it

also knowing how tw reads me will help me read you guys. are you saying he's disagreeing with your scumread on me? can you elaborate a bit please?

[skitter30]

Sorry guys, I just got back from my dog having stitches and I’m exhausted, I’ll catch up tomorrow

i hope ur dog is ok

[skitter30]

I like the catchups, this feels like town skitter
Im down with Jungle town too, that's a double hitter
Vork can be the third....we're almost done
Need one more read for a scumhunt home run

now i'm wondering who you are

[skitter30]

Need I go on?
How do you NOT have suspicion of him?

he feels awkward to me, but having an awkward playstyle isn't the same thing as being scum; nothing you mentioned here is really inheretnly more scum-indicative than 'having an awkward playstyle' indicative

[skitter30]

percy you're reminding me of prey mafia rn

[skitter30]

I dint read it as overly hostile at all.

(i was mimicking this line:)

Chemist's somewhat hostile reaction to the RVS counter votes feel town.

and fair idk if hostile is the right word. maybe 'awkward' or 'prickly' would be better idk

[skitter30]

I hope he was scum there, because while I wanted to let the game develop before I commented on these early game pushes but this one is narrative driven and shallow.

yeah he was

VOTE: persy

[skitter30]

@jm why are you sheeping me

[skitter30]

percy you're reminding me of prey mafia rn

How so?

I've been waiting for you to interact with me specifically because of prey. In prey, I was scum, I lurked most of D1, then came on late and helped push a stalled town wagon to lynch. IIRC you correctly scum read me for that. Here, I'm active early, providing content and making pushes. This is nothing like my D1 play in Prey.

VOTE: skitter30

it's not what you're doing or pushing exactly, it's more of a tone thing

i actually thought about the possibility that you might be a pr,

but you feel nothing like that mini i played with you

where you were a cop and iirc got nk'd n2, so i thought you being a pr wasn't too likely.
did you try to change your playstyle from that game too?

^^^^^ remember this? this was me saying you felt different in prey than in that micro i played with you
you feel very similar to prey rn

idk how to quantify this feeling really, best words are probably stilted/removed/wooden
idk the right words exactly

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

the first person that tells me who to vote gets my sheep for a little bit

Might be too late, but if it isn't, vote skitter. Set up a 1v1 between me and her.

i mean this'll be fun and amusing but if you set this up i'm going to win this about 100% of the time

[skitter30]

Hmm Persivul is towny in a weirdly funny way this page

gonna go catch up, then jam with BuJaber, then we're back to kick some scum butt. happy to give some unfiltered takes while I'm catching up if people want

~ tw

do tell
i dont see it

[skitter30]

I divine her alignment in my tea leaves

There's several little things I've been spamming at Buj and I can towncase her if needed but I'd rather not -- are you scumreading her based on the Prey Mafia misrep or other content?

i didn't misrep him; he feels similar to prey mafia
why's buj scumreading me?

[skitter30]

i don't really scumread dave anymore i think
i've never played with him before but coming into this game i had a impression of him as a player that i think i'm mistaken on which was influencing how i was reading him; as i play with him i think that impression wasn't valid

[skitter30]

i think persi thinks that i'm comparing his actions here to his actions in prey mafia. i'm not really tho; i haven't really thought about these two games in that context

i'm more comparing his tone / how his play feels to me; this feels pretty similar
(idk how to quantify 'how his play feels to me' really tho. i probably sound kinda vauge/abstract here but like it makes sense in my head and idk how to put this sort of thing into words really)

i don't think i'm pocketing or wk'ing

[skitter30]

i didn't realize dave viewed the game from such a like 'logical' perspective, but the more i hear him talk the more it kinda makes sense as a coherent mentality/approach to the game, and what i found scummy i don't think is particularly valid anymroe

pedit: town by a mile, I'm severely nerfed in any situation that needs a lie.

^^^ specifically things like this kinda changed how i view him as a player

[skitter30]

I just thought the fact he ridiculously assumed you were talking about his strategic approach and his subsequent GOTTEM omgusy vote was a towny funny reaction

idk i don't really see it tbh

[skitter30]

Idk, because I was on the receiving end of that just now, but my scum detector really didn't go off.
I mean I have a case for a scum!persivul, but more people need to say things before I can be sure of it.
Tentative wrong!town (with many scum points) on this.

I have a case, but I won't give it until I know there are people willing to receive it. This is scummy af.

Ok I’ll keep this in mind so that I can ask you about this later-

you’re becoming one of my strongest turn reads

y tho

[skitter30]

Skitter's far outside her scum meta.

I'm 100% confident on this read.

^ biggest mood

my only concern around her catching up is that you could be pocketing her which is annoying because in a vacuum I townread you

~ tw

where do you think this might be happening

[skitter30]

@tw do you think i should be townreading u rn?

[skitter30]

Oh, did I mention Roster's town too? We have quite a nice block of town, I'm very happy with this.

? why town!roster?

[skitter30]

VOTE: Jungle
I hope Buj isn't mad at me for this

not really vibing this vote tbh; i didn't realy get the vibe that you scumread her so much as you were being paranoid about townreading her

[skitter30]

@tw do you think i should be townreading u rn?

off the top of my head I think this convo is > anything we had in starcraft and I feel exposed in a way that's closer to mystery box of silver but I do think it's too early for you to feel like, confident on my alignment

If I can ask you to suspend disbelief long enough for us to murder some scums I'd appreciate that because I do enjoy solving with you a lot; but if you have concerns let's go through them

idk if i have like .... 'concerns' that i can articulate so much as you're kinda scumpinging me
also i feel like buj is probably easier to read than you but i don't feel like he's done much ai which is making me kinda ??? about you guys as a whole

i feel like we did have convos like this in starcraft; i don't think you're out of the range you exhibited there
i don't have thoughts on how you compare to mbos

i'm kinda fine dropping this till later but i guess i'm a little paranoid that if you're some flavor of scum you'll be murderizing me and there won't *be* a later

also i enjoy solving with you too

[skitter30]

[quote="In post 463, DuckDuckJab"][/quote]

so up until ~246 (of the posts you quoted here) nothing really stood out for me; the 'buddying-ness' didn't really feel out of the ordinary for her

the posts after that are a little weird and buddying-y, tho, i agree (maybe not 414)

[skitter30]

i mean this'll be fun and amusing but if you set this up i'm going to win this about 100% of the time

What makes you think I intend to "win" it?

idk than what's the point of setting up a 1v1?

[skitter30]

But legit this is the point where I drop AI information. What is the town motivation in cold shouldering me and focusing instead on dishing out half cooked townreads when you could be sorting a slot you have null-to-scum? This just doesn't present as a sorting mindset.

i think i have more information in that i'm pretty sure i know who the main is and i'm not sure any of this is inherently scum-indicative for her

p-edit whoops if i got the pronoun wrong, sorry, i'll switch to he/his if you want

[skitter30]

was using our realtimes to cash in towncred and advance my pockets in Starcraft

I see a firmer correlation between this and mbos than starcraft + I'm extremely exhausted scum rn (though my holistic scumrange is wider so I don't expect this will carry me far) but I get I'm also biased regardless of my alignment by {being in my own brain, being scum}

so i'm a little nervous that this is A Thing that you might try to do

[skitter30]

Do you think they've heavily towntold in a way that is outside their scumrange/you're unlikely to be wrong on?

& do you think it's town motivated that they flatly ignored my request for them to show us why they're obvtown?

idk what their scumgame looks like; i've never seen it
idk if the bolded is like inherently town-motivated but like i've def seen them do it as town and have been on the receiving end of it
i think that what they're doing is def things i've seen them do as town; idk if they can do the same thing as scum

i think they're somewhere above the null line but idk if i'm townreading them as strongly as i was, i'm getting a little weirded out by the buddying

also couching things as being 'town-motivated' is a little ???? from you because you definitely know that townies don't always behave in a town-motivated fashion

[skitter30]

idk than what's the point of setting up a 1v1?

In this case, information for town.

ok let's do it if you want, it'll prob help me read you

[skitter30]

it would be pretty easy for me to avoid real times

via insisting I want to be sure on your alignment before going down the rabbit hole though

ngl if scum!you had tried to go down this route i would have death-tunneled you because i think town!you should be townreading me here like always

do u happen to remember the main reason you nk'd me in starcraft?

[skitter30]

ok let's do it if you want, it'll prob help me read you

I doubt it. Your read is just based on nebulous feels. I'm more interested in what a lynch wagon on me would be composed of.

eh maybe this is kinda townie actually

[skitter30]

i think town!you should be townreading me here

Exactly the problem I have with you. I'm very different here from prey, in tone and action.

actions sure, tone i think you feel similar

[skitter30]

fair enough

[skitter30]

i actually gotta bounce now but i'll try to take a look (this means in the next day or so, prob won't happen tonight)

[skitter30]

I'll drop the links here and here, lmk if you want to talk about anything when you're back.

i skimmed the bop one and my determination is that i have legit no idea how to read you

[skitter30]

I'm sorry, Duck. Can you please refer me to the posts you'd like a response to? I also feel like you're not responding to me so something's just not clicking this game.

But legit this is the point where I drop AI information. What is the town motivation in cold shouldering me and focusing instead on dishing out half cooked townreads when you could be sorting a slot you have null-to-scum? This just doesn't present as a sorting mindset.

i think i have more information in that i'm pretty sure i know who the main is and i'm not sure any of this is inherently scum-indicative for her

p-edit whoops if i got the pronoun wrong, sorry, i'll switch to he/his if you want

2tw does this make more sense now?

[skitter30]

I'll also note, the last person to respond to me as harshly as you responded above (someone else who knew me) flipped scum. So I'm pretty skeptical.

i mean i responded pretty similarly in taz but sure

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eh maybe the duck hydra is town
my townread on sky has weakened a bit

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Baezu's already part of the block, might have forgotten to mention.

y tho
i have like no thoughts on her

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If persivul ever dies and flips town I will tunnel JM like I've never tunnelled anybody in my life. Townslip be damned in that case.

100% sure persivul is being set-up for a mislynch at some point during the game.

There is a very devious, deliberate, narrative-shaping approach being followed here. A systematic method of townreading those that agree, shading or scumreading those that don't, alienating outsiders, and misrepresenting persivul.

Can't read the player? Read the damn game. Spidey senses are tingling like crazy.

Granted I can't say for a fact that JM is the scum among those creating this atmosphere, but that's who's doing the things I mentioned most obviously.

-BuJ

this just feels ???? weird and wrong

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Also, I hope you forgive me for TAZ, I was trying to test reactions because I really had no clue what your alignment was.

yeah i was kinda annoyed at the time but it was like .... fiv e months ago and i'm def over it
we're cool

anyway talk about your beazu read?

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i kinda changed my mind on persi i think
UNVOTE:

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am willing to sheep skitter/jungle here

and am not liking persi's recent posts

why not?

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But as I said, I welcome a lynch. There will be scum on it, and this sort of "reasoning" isn't going to look so great after my flip.

yeah this is actually kinda townie, not sure that scum repeatedly tries to pull a wagon on them over a prolonged period of time

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Ok guys, I'm going to have to put my foot down.
This has become an echo chamber with only 1/2 the cast engaging, and the other half doing absolutely nothing and keeping their head entirely under the water.
We need them to engage, and I think you all are making it kind of difficult with your tunelling and "1v1"s.

also townie ^^^

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Don't you find it weird I lurked for about two days?

yeah my townread on you has kinda vanished

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percy you're reminding me of prey mafia rn

How so?

I've been waiting for you to interact with me specifically because of prey. In prey, I was scum, I lurked most of D1, then came on late and helped push a stalled town wagon to lynch. IIRC you correctly scum read me for that. Here, I'm active early, providing content and making pushes. This is nothing like my D1 play in Prey.

VOTE: skitter30

Whats the difference between town and scum for skitter?

This is also not great imo,

I think as town they’d ask first vote later

come on, this isn't a real reason to find someone scummy

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I don't like that Persivul's trying to discredit my read as "feelz."

more accurately he's discrediting *my* read as feelz, and your vote as being hypocritical in that you blindly sheeped me while calling out other people for sheeping

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I especially liked their last post (600), shows a decent amount of thought process.

? what was good about that post

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I'm sorry but I have to keep that reasoning to myself for the moment.

i'd kinda like some help reading her because i get like exactly nothing out of reading her posts

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VOTE: chemist

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@mod:

can everyone in prod range be given prods please?

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I'm sorry but I have to keep that reasoning to myself for the moment.

i'd kinda like some help reading her because i get like exactly nothing out of reading her posts

Was this Baezu (spelling?)?
Can you give an example? I don't think I got nothing...

yeah i was talking about her
idk how to explain better really? i read her posts and just ... have no ai thoughts on them

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Here's a few things to think about skitter.

Your early townread on me was weird. Didn't do enough to earn it. And then your retraction of it was equally so, seemed like you didn't want to be townread anymore.

Then you seem to be so interested in knowing what we think of you, and I got this sense that you were making some strange attempt at creating more disagreement between tw and I.

That's some of the things I remember about you. And they're not things that make super confident but you should understand gut feels more than anybody because your scumhunting style is like 99% emotional on the emotional/logical scale. The anti-cerberus if you will.

So yeah tell me why sky is the one manipulating you not the other way. And tell me where JM fits in your triangle. I'll give you the other names involved in the lynch persivul collective when I compile the list of quotes.

-BuJ

a) the early townread was: you wrote a post (i don't remember what it was offhand, but i can go back and find it if you want me to) that i thought was kinda townie for that stage of teh game, but after thinking about it for a few minutes minutes more, decided it wasn't. i wasn't trying to like undermine townreads on you or anything so much as i kinda changed my mind on whether that post was townie or not.

actually i went back and checked, it was specifically how you went from scumreading jungle to townreading them upon thinking that they townslipped. i liked it because it looked like you re-evaluated your read there in real time but upon thinking about ti again i didn't think it was impossible for multiball!scum to have thought process either so i decided that it wasn't a good reason to townread you

b) you were expressing a scumread on me, which is cool; i don't particularly expect you to read me right; i don' think you have enough experience really to do so. i was mostly interested in if tw felt the same way and/or what his reaction was if you had run the read by him because at that stage i expected him to be able to read me right already; i was using his read on me to try to figure out how to read you guys. wasn't trying to cause discord between the two of you

c) i don't think it's an entirely accurate portryal of my scumhunting style to say that it's 99% emotional/gut/feels based tbh; and i'm not sure why you think i play that way either

d) i don't think sky was manipulating me. i think your'e basically saying that *someone* involved in the persi wagon was scum adn encouraging townies to wagon him too. i think i was the instigator of that wagon and like i did it because he felt different than prey mafia. i don't think i was manipulating people to join it; in fact, i was kinda creeped out when i got sheeped and/or jm was using me as a reason to get other people to join too

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Chemist is a great lynch but not a great wagon

- tw

Elaborate please.

He's just scumposting all the time. He's been reasonably active so pressure there doesn't feel necessary rn. I doubt he's going to stop posting. He's aware people scumreading him. He'll spew his alignment pretty soon on his own.

I'd prefer to wagon slots which are lurking (/quieter) or just more controversial to get content flowing.

But if we had 24 hours left aorn I'd be super keen to powerlynch chemist because he is indeed scumposting.

How do you feel about the conflicting reads on your slot dave?


- tw

ngl i actually hate this post tbh

like ~wanting to wagon lurkers~ sounds nice in theory but i feel like chem has actually been objectively scummy and the wagon on him has been building kinda slowly and if we tear it down to wagon lurkers i'm not sure we'll necessarily get the wagon to build again

this kinda feels like a ploy to disband the chemist wagon; if he ever flips scum i think you're a viable partner

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ur right i definitely talked skitter into voting persi whoops my b

You got her to townread you and vork.

-BuJ

i don't think sky really had anything to do with why i'm townreading vork

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Basically I don't want to lynch a lurker and then night 1 some townie gets killed without scum being forced to place their vote on their wagon or put themselves on the line by fabricating a case on them.

actually this might be townie
i really didn't like that tw post that i just quoted tho

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I am sufficiently sp00ked!

You're town right?

for once yes

you?

Yep.

My vote on jm still good or has the slot towned it up?

i think they're town

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yeah and yeah

Fusco is indeed scum but we can deal w/ that l8r

yeah i'm kinda getting that vibe too honestly

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idk if penguin is town but if he's scum it probably isn't with the duck hydra i think

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can you kindly explain why yous alls jumped on what's kinda my rvs vote im toolazy to remove?

this is :/ meh and kinda bad

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Yo the plot has deepened
I’ll post over the weekend
Fuscoco is an alt nifty
Is it of A50?

don't think so; that doesn't sound like a50 at all

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can you kindly explain why yous alls jumped on what's kinda my rvs vote im toolazy to remove?

this is :/ meh and kinda bad

using actual words: you're essentially complaining that the wagon is bad and facing like no resistance and you're placing the onus on explaining why the wagon is bad on everyone else while still voting for it

also trying to like undermine the strength/importance of your vote by highlighting that it was just an rvs vote

i'm trying to decide if this is a reaction from scum who isn't sure how to respond to their buddy getting wagoned or from scum who wants to push through a wagon on someone unaligned with them; i'm undecided

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you've seen the way I can stay on optically bussing wagons while working against my partners' lynches (I voted at least one of Perf/Keys every phase in Starcraft iirc but successfully steered wagons against them). Don't act like I need to push lurker mislynches over my obvscum buddy, or like I would bat an eyelid before bussing chemist in this gamestate. I know you know my game better than this and I think you realise I'm better than this.

Basically it looked to me like u were trying to dismantle the wagon (that's why it looked svs, idk why svw woule be dismantling a wagon on an opposing scum), and i think you're annoyed with me because you're saying that if you're scum u wouldnt have been so obvious/blatant about it.

I'm aware that this is a thing that you do but i dont think i realized that its A Thing. Namely, it was somewhere in the back of my mind that you did a good job distancing in starcraft but i dont think i was aware of how purposeful it was, or how integral you view this to be as part of your scumgame if that makes sense. Idk if i explained that well, if i didnt let me know and i'll try again.

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actually I'm getting too many mbos flashbacks

you (and earlier Skyg and to an extent Lime) are finding reasons to scumread us

I think I'm personally very obvtown right now and I think Buj is townposting almost constantly. if I didn't know your meta well I'd think you were scum positioning us.

please try harder. I don't like that you're scared to townread me.

I dont think i'm trying to find reasons to scumread you so much as i think yiu have a pretty impressive scumrange and idk what ur towngame looks like this game so I'm being cautious and noting the things that i dont like.

Idk how to townread u rn, there's a reason why i said in the beginning i'd be trying to read buj over u. I actually think the last few pages/his persi-manipulation thing have been kinda townie

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Skitter if you disagree with your perception of your game that's fine, but like don't take it the wrong way. It's not a bad thing at all

Eh fair enough. I dont really think I'm hedging tho, so much as re-evaluating as new posts happen

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Skitter where are you?

Uh right here. Whats the point of this?

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Aren't you gonna push me?

i mean, i think i mentioned a couple of times that i was losing the townread because of the lurking so
i also think this post like never comes from scum!you tho

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Chenn, please unvote Chemist if anyone puts him at L-1. I don't want Chemist lynched & I'm going to make a post about this soon.

i want chemist lynched. i will vote fuscasco (sp?) too

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VOTE: Persivul

no can we not dismantle this wagon please

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For starters, we shouldn't lynch Chemist today. The way Chemist develops his read on Persi comes from an uninformed perspective about Persi's alignment -- especially the natural fluidity & slight revisions in the reading. And while scum might fake some genuine scumhunting for opposing scum, it's unlikely that scum Chemist decides to take a position against lynching opposite-faction Persi or a position against lynching town Persi. If Chemist were scum, he wouldn't have said "I don't want to lynch him today."

a) i don't see the uninformed perspective about persi's alignment
b) even if he is ... it's multiball, that can come from scum and isn't a reason to townread someone here

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Fusco's likely town because he's reading the game more closely & with more nuance than I'd expect from scum Fusco (as you can see from the way his read develops on Chemist/Persi, and the way he interacts with different players). I also don't want Fusco lynched before Persi because the way Fusco defended Persi doesn't come from opposing scum, which means they're either partnered or Fusco's town.

no this is a bad read; fusco is pretty scummy imo, esp. his interactions wrt the chemist wagon

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creature is prob town

What? Why?

you made some posts that i feel like were out of your scumrange (if you want me to i'll go back and pull them up)
remember how i never felt like you were out of your scumrange in nsg's game? i feel the opposite here, that you've already surpassed it

[skitter30]

prob town: you

Why Jungle Medicine?

this looks exactly like her towngame (specifically taz + american presidents mafia)

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Did you ever one-line before like this?

i'm starting to do it more outside of walls; i think i did it a bit in nsg's game too

(tbf i did it a lot when writing walls too but nobody really noticed because it was one line in a wall)

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Why tf there's no one tunneling me?

like this post ^^^^ scum!you never says this

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like can we not do that though?

Umm Im awful hurt that so many people just wanna write me off.

I guess wothout the meta behind me I can't just airhead about for most the game?

i dont' think this is a fair/accurate characterization of how people are treating you. at least for me, i'm not writing you off because i don't know your meta or because you're not really contributing; i'm calling you scum because the posts that you're making when you are here are scummy

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Ima go on to chemist, reread chenn, and pick on afew other people asp

uh huh

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like can we not do that though?

Umm Im awful hurt that so many people just wanna write me off.

I guess wothout the meta behind me I can't just airhead about for most the game?

i dont' think this is a fair/accurate characterization of how people are treating you. at least for me, i'm not writing you off because i don't know your meta or because you're not really contributing; i'm calling you scum because the posts that you're making when you are here are scummy

well for starters i think the bolded is a misrep of why people are pushing you rn; it's attempting to change the narrative from 'people are pushing you because you've said scummy things' to 'people are writing me off for being an airhead', which besdies for creature saying that you've been underwhelming i don't really see happening

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can you kindly explain why yous alls jumped on what's kinda my rvs vote im toolazy to remove?

this is :/ meh and kinda bad

using actual words: you're essentially complaining that the wagon is bad and facing like no resistance and you're placing the onus on explaining why the wagon is bad on everyone else while still voting for it

also trying to like undermine the strength/importance of your vote by highlighting that it was just an rvs vote

i'm trying to decide if this is a reaction from scum who isn't sure how to respond to their buddy getting wagoned or from scum who wants to push through a wagon on someone unaligned with them; i'm undecided

also this

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the former is kind of sardonic whining

while the latter is mostly kept there because chemist kind of ran off.

i don't understand what you're saying here

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b) Yes, & my point is that it's unlikely for scum Chemist to defend someone from a lynch when his analysis of the player points in both directions (i.e. could be town, could be scum), because scum don't want to prevent (or be seen preventing) lynches on opposing scum

His many of his posts wrt persy feel like shade and like he doesnt know how to interact with the wagon

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If he's scum, he's partnered with Persi. Do you disagree with that part of my analysis?

I dont really see why u think if he's scum it's with persi tbh

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Like i just skimmed his iso and i dont really get that vibe

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Chemist and Fuscosco are scum so far

Chenn, please unvote Chemist if anyone puts him at L-1. I don't want Chemist lynched & I'm going to make a post about this soon.

i want chemist lynched. i will vote fuscasco (sp?) too

This makes me happy. I had said earlier that creature needed to post, and I've been waiting for him to give some reads before interacting with him. Creature and Skitter both have better D1 reads than me. My reasoning was that, if they agreed on their reads, then:
- the two of them are more likely to be town. If they disagreed wildly I would have thought one of them likely to be scum.
- the people they scum read are pretty good lynches.

Also i dont think this comes from scum

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Chemist and Fuscosco are scum so far

Chenn, please unvote Chemist if anyone puts him at L-1. I don't want Chemist lynched & I'm going to make a post about this soon.

i want chemist lynched. i will vote fuscasco (sp?) too

This makes me happy. I had said earlier that creature needed to post, and I've been waiting for him to give some reads before interacting with him. Creature and Skitter both have better D1 reads than me. My reasoning was that, if they agreed on their reads, then:
- the two of them are more likely to be town. If they disagreed wildly I would have thought one of them likely to be scum.
- the people they scum read are pretty good lynches.

Also i dont think this comes from scum

Looks like buddying actually.

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i think it makes some amount of sense given this game as context ^^^^
(the one where he was a cop and i was a doc and you got mislynched day1 and i was annoyed because you were transparently town!you and i spent the whole twilighting complaining about it and telling everyone to listen to your reads because you have good day1 reads and i was pretty sure i was going to die that night and i did)

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i mean if were really gonna gank him thats cool but i wanna finish catching up before i attract every vig bullet tonight

yes please catch up, and please explain what you meant earlier regarding me saying i thought your interactions with the chemist wagon were bad

[skitter30]

Claim please.

^^^^

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See no reason not to lynch him.

I dont particularly expect to be here tomorrow but some other assorted yhoughts:

Fuscosco should be super pressured tom irregardless of chemist's flip

If Rich + dunn + anybody else lurking/not contributing today dont start doing stuff tomorrow i'd be ok with starting to lynch through that pool; they're also all great cop/ww-cop checks imo (won't totally clear them given multiball but it'll be a start).

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they're also all great cop/ww-cop checks imo

No, they're better as vig targets. Cops should be used on players that are going to better further town wincon once sorted.

I dont *think* there are vigs in this setup but i could be mistaken

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I'm going to insist on not lynching Chemist today.

I want to lynch then today; i'd be willing to switch to fuscosco

[skitter30]

(I'm actually more safe on lynching rosterfoster, but I don't know if we should give him time or not)

Yeah i forgot him but he's also in the 'not really doing anythinv' group

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I no longer townread Skitter.

Do tell

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Claim please.

^^^^

VT

Wanna do something? I don't think this claim will save you, but you still can save yourself doing stuff.

Okay

Once I get home I’ll go back to my incomplete readslist

Yes, that would be helpful

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What're your reads, Chemist?

I don’t have any strong reads but I’m going to do a full read through with notes once I get back on a computer

Someone should probably remind me to do this in about 2 hours just in case

we all realize that chem has been stalling on giving a readlist since around here, right?
this was wednesday (my time; it's now sunday evening here)

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and he's definitely following along enough to know that he's at l-1 and that he needs to claim

fuscosco is doing kinda similar things and i'd vote him happily but i'm kinda waiting for the promised catchup that he said he'd do this evening; if that doesn't happen i might switch there idk

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Hi

I don't want to lynch Chemist

ok
why not

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Awwww HEY
I was actually hoping this slot would be Wolf with Shoshin because odds are we’re about to read like partners anyway

hi!!!!
it's been a while since we played together!

why do u think you and shosin will be read like partners?

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Okay. That was easy. My impression was he was like the only player of significance less involved than I am. And wow that's pretty spot on. I kill based on the reaction to the wagon growing on him, but Id suggest using the actual formation as a tool, cuz he's almost certainly been bussed by a bud if they know whats good for the survivors.

idk your interactions with this wagon all feel like really bad ngl

ok if there's scum on the wagon where is it?

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hE kEePs ScUmPoStInG

hE kEePs ScUmPoStInG

Ummm I guess this is as good a place as any.

What does this mean?

Duck I’m not going to pretend to be able to read you so for a few IRL days can we just assume the other is town and see where that gets us?
I’ve read the past ~5 pages, Shoshin’s ISO and chemist’s ISO. I’m not sold on chemist being town but are we wagoning him because lurky nullslot and nobody else is actively scummy or am I missing something

i think he's, like, actually beign scummy; i don't think he's just being a lurky nullslot tbh

his posts are all godawful

also did you realize that shoshin = jungle medicine?

also what do you mean by 'i'm not sold on chemist being town?'

[skitter30]

basically they had a super weird reaction to being voted by skitter

actually i'm over it and i think he's been kinda townie throughout that interaction overall tbh

also @irrel have i ever actually played with scum!you?

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Has anyone other than chemist claimed
Why is a veet claim unbelievable? My understanding is ~half the town is vt?

i don't think there's anything particularly believeable or unbelievable wrt the vt claim; it just kinda is.

like that itself wasn't particularly bad

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Chem's flet like a nonfactor in the game despite a wagon and without apology. Im not on his hump for being kind of lurky but the low effort cases are not helping. His wagon is a good place to VCA later on, so even if we dont lynch him now its been a good ride.

i was mostly asking what the bolded phrase 'while the latter is mostly kept there because chemist kind of ran off.' meant because i didn't understand it

ok
basically i think your reaction to the wagon was bad because you seemed to be protesting it happenign and getting to around l-2 iirc while keeping your rvs vote on it; it read to me like you were protesting that it was a thing while like actively participating in it by keeping your vote there while trying to just wave away the culpability/responsiblity of your vote by claiming that it was just an rvs vote

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yeah skitter said what were all thinking

BTW I think shoshin is town/definitely not scum with skitter for the call on losing her skitter townread, it was well timed and I think I agree somewhat. I'm still largely townreading skitter tho

?? what did i say that you were all thinking?

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if we don't lynch Fusco today lynch him tmrw btw

chemist vt claim is exactly ok/10 and I wouldn't put tonnes of stock into claimsolving

yeah i agree with this post a lot

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Awwww HEY
I was actually hoping this slot would be Wolf with Shoshin because odds are we’re about to read like partners anyway

hi!!!!
it's been a while since we played together!

why do u think you and shosin will be read like partners?

Shoshin and I have gotten floated as partners in multiple games (or maybe that’s just a dream I had) because I sheep her

right, taz mafia was a thing

yeah this game isn't usually this active actually

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Id make a case on baezu, but I think an iso of them will state it as well as I can.

its softball supreme in that thing.

yeah i don't get the townreads there either really

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Irrel's telling lies.

oooh this is spicy, do tell

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yeah i'm trying to decide how i'm reading him rn
rich was slightly + town
i'm trying ot remember if i know what scum!irrel looks like and i'm not sure i do? idk if i've played a game with scum!him before

i feel like town!irrel is slightly less smooth + slightly more awkward if that makes sense?

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Has anyone other than chemist claimed
Why is a veet claim unbelievable? My understanding is ~half the town is vt?

I mean i guess.

It doesnt matter to me much either way.

But like
Why don’t you believe the claim?
Have you ever been scum who didn’t know how to make a claim, or have you seen scum fail to fakeclaim recently? It’s weird to me that you floated this idea that he was badscum when you don’t super believe it; it feels like you’re imposing your own struggles (I have no read on you but so far since I’ve entered you’ve confused me)

Pedit xmillion:
Duck your first two posts after I posted called me scum??
What lie did I tell?
Too many pedits wowwwwwwww

i don't understand this line of questioning actually

why is it strange to find a vt claim unbelievable here?

i think saying 'i don't believe the claim' in this context is the same thing as saying 'i think he's scum claiming to be vt'?

or am i not understanding what you're asking here

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ohhhhh
Lol

Well if I’m right that Shoshin/tw/skitter/sky are all town (which, let’s be honest, this is multiball so I’m not) one of chemist/persivul is probably scum
Time to ISO persivul

(hint: it's chemist)

[skitter30]

Probably not at this point. I'm still struggling to get engaged after being away from the game for ~ week.

do u have any reads?

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oh i guess i don't remember that post by fuscosco exisitng because i don't know what you're talking about, let me check

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This is not likely, imo. More likely, in my head, this is a scum who doesnt know the exact grid square to read from. But I doubt that a CC would come even if they did.

i don't think fuscosco's understands the setup because he keeps talking about vigs that i don't think exist

i'm kinda confused/not sure what this post in conjunction with him thinking vigs exist implies about how scum!fucosco would approach the setup

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but it’s his belief that scum would be more likely to claim vt because the setup is complicated that I’m confused about

Its c++

Theres a [giant] grid in play, and any number of role counterclaim the others. Without any flips or claims its silly to claim anything but VT as scum.

so yes. If he had claimed literally anything else Id be taking a step back to look.

actually in this setup i think scum can get away with claiming a pr for a while? it's chaotic enough that i'm not sure a town pr would immediatley know whether or not they're a cc?

or am i not understanding this setup right

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That puts you on a timer doesnt it?

P: i dont know the setup. Its kind of common for me to not pay attention to unfixed, nonnormal game setups until late game.

i mean yeah but if your options are to:

a) claim pr that probably wont' cc'd immediately but might let you live two or so days until someone figures out your claim is impossible

b) claim vt and get lynched

i think scum do a) most of the time

ngl i thought chemist was gearing up to claim pr

[skitter30]

does this game have daytalk?

does anyone here have a vibe for how wide chemist's scumrange is?

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no there isn't daytalk; i checked the role pms in the wiki

from what i see of chemist's playstyle here i think if there's daytalk scum!chemist would prob be told to claim pr, but he would not necessarily take the initiative to do that on his own

[skitter30]

y later

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I mean we both agree he's scumposting and there's an l-2 wagon him?
I dont get why we'd wait for later?

Do u mean later like another dayphase or later like u want this dayphase to last longer?

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Oh later this day phase yeah
Sorry I didn't communicate that

We inexplicably have 14 days left and the gamestate is still pretty fluid imo

Ah i thought u meant later dayphase.

How are u reading penguin?

[skitter30]

Anyone scumreading Shoshin here? For those of you townreading Shoshin, what are your thoughts on her insistence we don’t lynch chemist?
I personally think his ISO is worth lynching but without meta familiarity he also seems kinda like low hanging fruit?

I disagree with her reasons for townreading him

[skitter30]

Hey

Just wanted to say I’m sorry for being so useless

do you have a readslist?

[skitter30]

@everyone: Chennis and roster tunneling each other weakly: M/M, M/W, M/T, or T/T?

don't think they're same-sided scum really tbh

[skitter30]

My vote is on M/M but also it’s very poorly executed if so

huh
ok
why do you feel m/m?

[skitter30]

I think sheeping me would lead to a win in 100% of games.

i mean taz mafia (wherein you tried to mislynch town!me in mylo) but sure

[skitter30]

I have yet to reread our previous games for comparison, but I will do that long before I help lynch you btw

this post feels weird tonally i think

[skitter30]

Let's just lynch Persi. He's scum.

i think he's town actually

[skitter30]

Correct, in the sense that once I’d sorted Shoshin to a 90%+ degree of confidence I placed my vote where hers is
Feel free to vote me for it if you think I’m scum but

Shoshin would probably be voting me if I weren’t sheeping her so there’s trade offs

Fus do you townread Persivul? I forget

this feels ??? kinda weird and wrong. kinda like you're sheeping shoshin so she doesn't vote you?
like you're doing it to appease her almost

[skitter30]

Persivul – 4/9 – Skygazer, Shoshin, Vorkuta, Irrelephant11

i actually townread most of this wagon except maybe irrel but i think persi's town anyways so

[skitter30]

Yes we do have 2 weeks left

TBF skitter you’ve made me fairly tonally self-conscious since you said the thing about town-me being awkward instead of smooth
The “I’m voting with Shoshin so she doesn’t vote me” was also kinda a joke but I guess mostly for myself so I see why that one would be weird

Chennis have you cased roster? I’d love to hear it

sorry, not trying to make u self-conscious; my impression of your scumgame stems largely from what shoshin had said about you in taz in posts like these:

viewtopic.php?p=10456084#p10456084

and i have the impression that as scum your'e very good tonally / know how to say things that don't sound awkward, which is why i was noting that you were feeling very confident/smooth/not awkward and kinda paying attention to ur tone in the first place

[skitter30]

I think sheeping me would lead to a win in 100% of games.

i mean taz mafia (wherein you tried to mislynch town!me in mylo) but sure

No isn't right, I was pushing NSG's lynch or no lynch in MYLO. I called you scum during a brief period of MYLO lasting maybe 3 real life days but never pushed for your lynch ever.

ok i checked again and you're right; i apologize - what i said here wasn't accurate, you weren't actualy calling for my lynch there so much as you were repeatedly calling me scum
(although i felt like you were at the time and apparently until rn till i checked that game again)

[skitter30]

Oh later this day phase yeah
Sorry I didn't communicate that

We inexplicably have 14 days left and the gamestate is still pretty fluid imo

His utter nullness is starting to feel scummy to me
Ah i thought u meant later dayphase.

How are u reading penguin?

pengwhouin?
very null

[skitter30]

Bleh. What i meabt to write cut out somehow:
His utter nullness is starting to feel scummy to me

[skitter30]

This deadline is massive and that annoys me

I don't like the wagons

What dont u like about the chemist wagon?

[skitter30]

VOTE: Baezu let's goo

Fine
VOTE: baezu

Ddj i'm holding u to swinging back towards chemist at eod

Also pointing out that chemist has basically been promising reads and isos and content since like *last wednesday* and hasnt really done it and that he's basically lurked his way into the wagon dying for no discernible reason given that there's exactly one person townreading hin for meh reasons

I dont get why people are reluctant to vote there and i dont ger why the wagon died down

[skitter30]

I'm not compromising; i think he's scum and i dont get why people dont want to vote there.

[skitter30]

Right I know but for me it feels like a compromise, and others have described it that way as well
But fair point, maybe I shouldn’t feel like it’s a compromise, especially since it’s not like I have a lynch I super want yet
Skitter have you already explained your read on Persivul?

His reaction to my push on him a while back was townie imo, he's made some other townie posts too. Id you want specific posts i can pull them up later today (much, much later today) when i'm at a pc

[skitter30]

swinging back towards chemist at eod

unless we get a good wagon going on bae?

I think chemist is scum and want him lynched and will continue pushing that because i dont get why the wagon fizzled out.

I dont scumread bae. I dont townread her either; she's just a lot of null to me rn.

Rn of the two of them i much prefer chemist being lynched but if that's not happening i'll work on sorting bae.

[skitter30]

@skitter - remember when I said this?

Now think back. What happened between the time when shoshin was townreading you 100% and when she began scumreading you?

Exactly.

You changed your mind on persivul, and insisted on the chemist push.
In other words directly disagreeing with shoshin's reads.

Shoshin if town is now just a puppet for scum basically.

Game feels more like a cult and if you don't like it you get exiled. Kind of a bad metaphor because who wants to be in a cult am I right, but you get the point.

I don't like being pushed to think in a certain way. I will form my own reads than you very much.

honestly this might just be playstyle indicative (and not scum indicative for her) although it is annoying af

[skitter30]

@those townreading DuckJab who have said things like “duck is hard to read but I’m townreading BuJaber” - why? What about BuJaber has been towny (genuine question their shared ISO is long and without context it’s not always easy to know who’s talking)

don't think scum!him goes against shoshin at that point of the game, when she was widely townread
some of his thoughts feel ~real~ and almost too paranoid to be made up if that makes sense
like he's going against consensus enough that i feel like he really believes what he's saying

[skitter30]

I think chemist is scum and want him lynched and will continue pushing that because i dont get why the wagon fizzled out.

I started aggressively defending him from a lynch. Can you think to another time when I've aggressively defended townies you were pushing from being mislynched? Something to think about.

I'd like to know if you have experience with Chemist & if so how much?

i can remember times when you protested a scumlynch i spent most of a day trying to get (cough mom in american presidents cough)

[skitter30]

I townread Shoshin strongly which is a towntell in its own right (easily fakeable as scum, yes, but that doesn’t mean it’s not towny for me)

it's more than easily fakeable as scum; i think she'd crucify you if she's town and scum!you weren't townreading her; it's almost a survival mechanism for scum!you

i don't think you should get townpoints for this

[skitter30]

hmmm
Shoshin what do you think of a chennis lynch?
skitter? duckjab? persivul? thoughts?

i'm not really townreading him but i feel like that would be a meh lynch for today tbh
also why'd you ask me/ddj/persi (ie us in particular)

[skitter30]

I don't townread Chenn but I feel a resounding "meh" abt lynching him

oh lol this ^^^^^^

[skitter30]

Chemist lynch is good regardless of if we find more scum tho

good evening to you too

I'm going to stay in my corner making bad reads now

what do you think of hte fact that i'm trying to lynch you?

[skitter30]

Chemist lynch is good regardless of if we find more scum tho

good evening to you too

I'm going to stay in my corner making bad reads now

what do you think of hte fact that i'm trying to lynch you?

if it's not in my corner it's not important

aka i'm not going to go out of my way to try to not get lynched given the amount of time we have left

idk what you're trying to say here

[skitter30]

You and Shoshin are townreads I’m interested in seeing if I can get on the same page (which is rare for your personalities but iirc happens slightly more often when I help)

eh this might be townie - if you're thinking from the game from this pov scum!you probably tries to sow discord between us here

[skitter30]

does anyone know if penguinpower prefers town or scum?

[skitter30]

Can someone give me cliffnotes on why Chemist? That campout put me pretty far out of touch.

posts are god-awful and like tonally feel wrong
keeps promising content and doens't deliver
reaction to his wagon feels defeatist
mysterious resistance ot this wagon; have no idea why it stalled given that there's like one person townreading him

[skitter30]

@those townreading DuckJab who have said things like “duck is hard to read but I’m townreading BuJaber” - why? What about BuJaber has been towny (genuine question their shared ISO is long and without context it’s not always easy to know who’s talking)

don't think scum!him goes against shoshin at that point of the game, when she was widely townread
some of his thoughts feel ~real~ and almost too paranoid to be made up if that makes sense
like he's going against consensus enough that i feel like he really believes what he's saying

qft

I know I'd say this regardless of my hydra p's alignment but like the Buj posts are pretty obvtown even if you're not sure how to approach me

:/

yeah basically
i think bujaber is kinda townie for him
idk how to read you rn
holistically that makes your slot somewhere between null and nulltown and that i'm not really interested in pushing today

[skitter30]

Also I remain unconvinced by skitter's "bujaber is anti-consensus and therefore town" when it seems like tw is the dominant head and very consensus (i.e. could just be a hydra play to get townread by "having different reads") & unconvinced by tw's "yes townread my hydra partner yes". Perhaps the problem here is that I've only played with scumjaber and have a >rand misread rate on tw.,,

it's not a strong enough read on buj to make the whole hydra a townread

[skitter30]

both of those reads are tone reads, + I don't think they're scum together or traitors

why not traitors?

[skitter30]

Well, I took a second to think about that, and if Im reading the setup right there are 4-6 scum here, and you have 5 scumreads.\

"keep doing"?

I think Im just being too sensitive since I felt under real pressure earlier this gameday, Im imagining a player quoting from dave talking to me, poking at my assessment of the chem claim, and the listing me as a mild scumread with only 3 others down there as slowly pivoting into someone ill have to challenge now or leave myself open to a mislynch.

Ive seen that slow pivot too often from both town and scum, but if I start pushing back now i can sort you too.

this actually feels kinda townie

[skitter30]

You asked those questions to Irrelephant and I felt like you were waiting on him to answer to form an opinion. That’s what I call fencesitty. Being willing to lynch almost anything is also fencesitty actually. I think this is player-dependent though so I’m going to have to look at some meta for that.

Do you really think I bring an intense energy?

uh neither of things are fence-sitting imo

[skitter30]

Ill sit down tonight or so and reiso them wrt their chem read,

but what if chem flips red? Doesnt that make them townier?

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?? why

[skitter30]

why are ppl still townreading me ive been lurking so much

i mean it's kinda weakening because u havent done anything in quite a while

[skitter30]

why are ppl still townreading me ive been lurking so much

Lampshading.
VOTE: skygazer

now thats more like it

althought i don't think scum!sky reacts to this vote this way tbh

[skitter30]

Can we activate/engage dunn first?
For what its worth, I think a mass claim in this situation has more town benefit

and pp too

and i don't think that mass-claim is such a great idea rn tbh