Open 761: Grey Flag Nightless - [It's over!]

[NerfedBuJ]

Heh wrecked
VOTE: Radiant

[NerfedBuJ]

Oh I can't read..

Fuck you both I can't vote the person below or above me now

[NerfedBuJ]

VOTE: shoshin

[NerfedBuJ]

oh look who rolled scum again VOTE: RC

hi RC

Page 1 and already two people being friendly to RC.

[NerfedBuJ]

Depends on your alignment

[NerfedBuJ]

their point is that I'm super cute and he's jealous of the attention that I'm getting

Only when it's female attention.

[NerfedBuJ]

Actually all I want is the extra charm to make people sheep me. That's sexier than any flirting

[NerfedBuJ]

hmm

Shoshin pay attention to me as well, let's make buj ultra jealous

You can have her

She does not respect me

[NerfedBuJ]

flirting is often the path to being sheeped

Maybe this is why you are wiser than me. I never thought they'd be related

[NerfedBuJ]

We only need to find 2 scum right?

I think I've found 2 out of the 3 scum

[NerfedBuJ]

Shoshin is scum; let's move on, tyvm.

Based on what?

[NerfedBuJ]

Eh.

I really wanted to see the reaction here but if she's town I think she'll be pissed at my out of game for it and I don't know if that's worth it to me.

UNVOTE:

What does this mean?

You know how much I like sorting 1v1s .. like I'm not going to tell you to do something that will upset you or cause any lasting damage between two players but this resolved too quickly

[NerfedBuJ]

Can you please stop treating me this way, RC? You know for a fact my alignment will be obvious by D2. There's literally no point to this except making me not enjoy the game.

It's funny to me how you and RC say such similar things yet scumread each other for saying them.

RC: pushing me D1 is scummy.
Sho: D2 everyone will be able to read me. Don't lynch me D1.

[NerfedBuJ]

If I were scum, I probably wouldn't have confirmed my PM. Given how long this game took to start, I would have felt justified in doing so.

[NerfedBuJ]

I'm not at threat of being lynched. No matter what.

I am at threat of being pushed and voted in a way that will prevent me from playing to my full extent.

Explain this also please

[NerfedBuJ]

This argument feels like t/t now that I look at it again.

Lol that was a fast turnaround

[NerfedBuJ]

oh look who rolled scum again VOTE: RC

hi RC

Page 1 and already two people being friendly to RC.

like

this is such a fucking weird post

and i think it's scummy

and it feels like the kind of post where 1/2 of the people referenced is his buddy... and i already scumread datisi... so

For the record datisi is there for her signature not that post

[NerfedBuJ]

i don't need to explain it: you know perfectly well how I feel about being shitwagoned.

Yeah that wasn't super clear

[NerfedBuJ]

But they don't scumread each other.....

They were at that point. At least with their words.

[NerfedBuJ]

oh look who rolled scum again VOTE: RC

hi RC

Page 1 and already two people being friendly to RC.

like

this is such a fucking weird post

and i think it's scummy

and it feels like the kind of post where 1/2 of the people referenced is his buddy... and i already scumread datisi... so

I thought you specifically would understand if you rolled town.. how do you think scum would treat town!RC in a nightless open?

It bothers me that you missed the point

[NerfedBuJ]

One of my two scumreads has already been mentioned.

The other is voted who nobody seems too concerned about

[NerfedBuJ]

Not mentioned by me just mentioned in thread

[NerfedBuJ]

And if you're town those 2 would be prime suspects for that.

But make your mind up will scum try to mislynch you or try to be nice to you

[NerfedBuJ]

Unless you mean nice as in tone of posting/politeness I don't see how they could do both

[NerfedBuJ]

I never said scum would try to be nice to me.

You did.

Shouldn't bother you that I'm unwilling to take 'being nice to RC' from people who

I'd expect to be nice to me as a scumtell

[NerfedBuJ]

I said it, but you said it too.

I meant it when I said it. Did you?

[NerfedBuJ]

What're your reads, Buj?

Atm I'm on ircher and voted for scum.

You/RC not scum together.

There was a townread but I forgot it

[NerfedBuJ]

It was datisi.. though considering I forgot the slot I'm not so sure anymore.

[NerfedBuJ]

Abuh probably town if new.
Less sure of that if he's an alt

[NerfedBuJ]

3 scum is a lot .. this feels way more like a micro and I haven't played a micro in a long time.

[NerfedBuJ]

Not counting marathon weekend

[NerfedBuJ]

VOTE: Voted

How about we don't disarm town of its only weapon.

[NerfedBuJ]

datisi hasn't really been giving me town vibes (mostly due to activity), and Im not too sure on buj outside of that short inactivity block early on.

When did I have an inactivity block?
I've been around a reasonable amount for me

[NerfedBuJ]

i think ircher play is obvscum from a neutral perspective but has reasonable chance of being town coming from him.

i still do feel like the game is literally solved

datisi is scum pretty much no matter what

and buj is obvscum to me

I don't care enough to double check past games but I'm pretty sure you always start with a scumread on me then it changes

[NerfedBuJ]

He seems out of touch with reality a bit, which is usually a town tell for him.

Here we go again
You really need to stop this tell.
Especially when games exist in which I was far more accurate than you on day 1.

[NerfedBuJ]

See, you ignore questions so much RC yet nobody gives you flak for it. Yet everyone gets so upset at me for doing it. I don't get it.

That's how you catch his scum partners if he's scum

It's impossible for no townie to go after him, especially as scum, because if all of them didn't they're literally just a terrible town.

[NerfedBuJ]

I dunno Shoshin. Do you really think that Buj makes the post he does regarding jealousy of my female attention as town? I really can't see it.
I think it makes a decent amount of sense from the position of scum with Datisi. Not in terms of being a 'good post', but something I can see scum posting.

All of that was just joking. The attention thing was really just a comment on how people play differently just because you're in a game and it's frustrating to sort. They don't play mafia they play "hey RC is here let's see what he does". I didn't expect it to happen in page 1 but you have chemist saying hi only to you and datisi giving you a permanent homage in her signature.

I think you have a totally warped sense of how people treat you in games. You always talk about how it's so bad and boo hoo this or that but from what I've seen in the past like 5 games together people are usually scrambling about and climbing on top of each other to townread or pocket you because of your name alone.

Why people can't wait until you actually post content is beyond me.

[NerfedBuJ]

I mean to be fair, everyone else besides the three of us has been really bad this game. I'm going to give the lurkers a chance to actually post for D1 to get a better feel.

Has everyone really not been posting as much as you seem to think? People do have lives you know. I don't think it's been that long and we have a long deadline which tends to make people a bit less agressive

[NerfedBuJ]

Buj felt extremely sorty in that game. This game he just feels... blah. lackluster. I am tempted to joke about him needing female attention but I will refrain.

Not exactly a refrain.

You know nothing about my personal life

[NerfedBuJ]

Man you actually passed the line again. Stay in games RC don't bring real life into it

[NerfedBuJ]

Actually I will refrain. Instead of pushing us both to somewhere where one or both of us would want to leave the site permanently.

You've done stuff you are too ignorant to know that you've done in the past and I never bring it up in any game.

[NerfedBuJ]

For the record RC and Shoshin,
I like you both outside of games. You're good people and cool.
I just don't like your in-game personalities.

I wouldn't want to lose a potential friendship because y'all misconstrued my words. I know I can be a bit of an asshole in games myself, I assure you it doesn't reflect any feelings outside of them.

[NerfedBuJ]

Especially when games exist in which I was far more accurate than you on day 1.

There's no such game.

Nice selective memory

[NerfedBuJ]

Buj, want to talk about your reads?

Which ones

[NerfedBuJ]

Honestly do you even care?
You just make up different reads for me from what I post anyway and then call them bad ppst-game.

[NerfedBuJ]

Maybe I'll give you the opposite of my real reads you'll be more receptive to them that way

[NerfedBuJ]

Like I was aware you were joking.

I still don't feel like you make that joke as scum.

Ngl this feels like you don't want to admit you misunderstood but whatever we can move on

[NerfedBuJ]

I prefer lobbies where everyone self motivates themselves to play because they want to win the game but ok

VOTE: DATISI

Has she played games with you on MS?

I can't see any difference between her and other lurkers

[NerfedBuJ]

What, you think I really thought you were serious?

I think you really thought I was making a joke purely about us as people and not about players' alignments wrt your slot.

[NerfedBuJ]

It was datisi.. though considering I forgot the slot I'm not so sure anymore.

I mean you called her town which was really undeserved
Then had this strange turnaround on her.

Etcetc

I liked her take no shit from anyone attitude at first.. but then she disappeared

[NerfedBuJ]

oh look who rolled scum again VOTE: RC

hi RC

Page 1 and already two people being friendly to RC.

What's your point

Depends on your alignment

their point is that I'm super cute and he's jealous of the attention that I'm getting

This was the conversation between us before I made the joke.

I legit answered your question about why I quoted those 2 players.

You made a joke.

So I continued the joke.

If you had read my answer to your question you would not have made the joke

[NerfedBuJ]

Especially when games exist in which I was far more accurate than you on day 1.

There's no such game.

Nice selective memory

Which games?

The last multiball open off the top of my head

[NerfedBuJ]

You were wrong about skoffin and persi and vorkuta and I was right on all 3.

We probably more or less agreed on the rest

I only bring it up because you keep doing it. Why can't you just be happy with your play instead of trying to make yourself look better than the rest of us?

[NerfedBuJ]

@shoshin obv

[NerfedBuJ]

How am I backtracking.. if someone was posting townily and then stopped and I had the same contidence in their alignment as when they were still posting then I'd be a big idiot and easily pocketable

[NerfedBuJ]

End of day 1 after I specifically called her out on the persi thing and then she started changing her mind and not agreeing with you. Yeah well done shoshin

[NerfedBuJ]

Name even 3 games in which we were both town like there haven't been that many on shoshin and I don't know your alts except the same game in which you were JM

[NerfedBuJ]

What precisely is your read on Datisis, Buj?

I think her early day 1 confidence is towny.

But she also hasn't been around since yet posted elsewhere so I don't know

[NerfedBuJ]

Fire, both town. I don't think it's even a question that your reads were worse than mine.

The game when you took over the whole game with your self-voting AtE shenaingans.
I did correctly scumread one slot.
The slot ank replaced was lurker

You didn't scumread RC so that was on both of us.

I really was sorry I scumread you but change your damn playstyle if you hate it

[NerfedBuJ]

oh look who rolled scum again VOTE: RC

R u town datisi please answer honesy

Honesy, I'm town

Can you fill out the following questionaire

1) on a scale of 1-5 how likely are you to sheep my vote
2) on a scale of 1-5 how irritated are you by me

1) 0 because you're not voing anyone dumbass????
2) it stops at 5?

[NerfedBuJ]

End of day 1 after I specifically called her out on the persi thing and then she started changing her mind and not agreeing with you. Yeah well done shoshin

It's also a bit strange that you're downplaying my reads because they were wrong at the beginning of the day but right at the end. Like, isn't that how mafia is supposed to work? You start off with no information and over time refine your reads?

The problem was you created dissonance and sorted me wrong and was destroyed any chance of working together and townread vork and initially townread skitter all because YOU WERE SO SURE PERSIVUL WAS SCUM. Your over-confidence on that one read shaped up a huge portion of day 1 and it was wrong, and had you not been wrong on that one and pushing a mislynch you and I would have BOTH been much better at sorting each other and the rest of the game if you had just had some hesitation on it at least.

[NerfedBuJ]

Buj wonders why I say he's out of touch with reality. It's because he can't even admit that my reads were better in Fire than his.

1. I didn't townread RC on D1. Buj did.

2. I scumread Lycan on D1. Buj didn't.

This isn't even debatable.

I didn't have any read on RC until the big argument with the guy who repped out.
If you want to blame me for a nullread go ahead. I'm not embarassed by not sorting RC quickly. It's a stupid thing to do

[NerfedBuJ]

oh look who rolled scum again VOTE: RC

R u town datisi please answer honesy

Honesy, I'm town

Can you fill out the following questionaire

1) on a scale of 1-5 how likely are you to sheep my vote
2) on a scale of 1-5 how irritated are you by me

1) 0 because you're not voing anyone dumbass????
2) it stops at 5?

How do you interpret "Honesy, I'm town" as confidence? I thought it was awkward as fuck.

The "dumbass" line felt like overcompensating to me (i.e. the opposite of confidence).

Honesy: My experience when scum are asked point blank if they're town they try to answer directly with as little flair as possible. This wasn't that.

Interesting take on tbe dumbass thing but when it comes to people with a reputation like RC I rarely see people talk to them that way unless they have a lot of history together and are not afraid of losing to them

[NerfedBuJ]

See this is why I don't want to bring this up. You never change your responses. You still refuse to see things ovjectively. Everything you do is super awesome. Everything the others do is super dumb. When the reality is so much different.

Fire on the mountain you had literally every townie tell you how bad what you were doing was.. even the people who are not against self-voting. Yet you continued to justify it to everyone that it was pro-town.

[NerfedBuJ]

I don't do blacklists..
I specifically think we would have so much fun together if we can tolerate each others' play.

But maybe we just can't and that's really okay.

[NerfedBuJ]

My phone's at 3 percent and I have to go anyway.
I think a fresh approach after tensions are relieved will do us good.

@shoshin - okay that's not what I actially mean when I call you out but it doesn't matter I'm sorry. It won't happen again.

[NerfedBuJ]

Hi I've sadly missed a lot of stuff.. might be able to catch up over the weekend if I can get a breather.

But we can talk like live or I can rep out before it gets too big for any replacement to read the whole thing.

Why is ircher town, sho? He was scummy last time I posted

[NerfedBuJ]

And what's your read on ank? Abu's posting was pretty weird

[NerfedBuJ]

Who has played this setup before?

How much do scum typically defend each other here? Because it's like one bad associative and it ends up not just being white flag, but effectively "scum lose if 1 scum is lynched"

[NerfedBuJ]

Even more so after the first scum lynch of course.

I was suspected in the duel setup but they only really turned on me when I tried so hard to lynch everyone else except for my lurky partner. In hindsight I probably should have given up since he stopped posting completely but giving up should be against the rules technically. Unless scum all agree to concede that would be the exception I guess

[NerfedBuJ]

Who was saying Voted was scum?

I did
Back when things were getting heated and you and RC and bitmap were proposing solves it looked like he was content with what's happening and choosing what and when to post carefully

[NerfedBuJ]

Throwing out feeler votes on people that were suspected by the loud talkers

[NerfedBuJ]

I forgive all of you for the unfair words.

I'm sorry chennisdan that I gave you the impression I was intentionally avoiding the thread. If I knew I wouldn't be able to post I'd have repped out in page 2. I think I just can't handle mafia games atm or maybe 1 at a time only or maybe I'll join the geriatrics club. Real life always takes precedence. The one thing I will say though about myself is I can't post as either alignment if I don't read like I don't know how to just post posts for the sake of posting unless I just repeat what I've already said. So when I don't have time to read the thread I just don't login there's no point in 'showing my face' so to speak. It's not helpful to prodge as town and it's not helpful to prodge as scum. I only do it when I have to to signal to the mod that I want to keep playing that I will be able to catch up. Otherwise why post if you don't know what you're commenting on, y'know?

I would rather lose every game I ever play than do something intentionally against the integrity of the game/ruin it for my team. And if you think I would you don't know me at all. And please don't encourage giving up and conceding that's bad advice. You should try all the eay up to the end of the game. I always try because how else will I improve all aspects of my game? I'm not one of those players that only practices one thing and ignores all the other parts of the game. I don't think any player should be like that but unfortunately we can't force them all to do the right thing.


White flag is super interesting. This is my 2nd game trying it and I'm still amazed at how such a simple change has such a huge impact on the game.