Open 765: Haunted Village (Over)

[Vorkuta]

Fake-PP is not scum because I don't think that the heated exchange between us comes from a scum chenny

[Vorkuta]

Platinum Phoenix (3) ~ Unstuck in Time, Something_Smart, PenguinPower

I’d guess it could be someone like Hoptic, PP or maybe S_S. But let’s trust them for now and see where this takes us.
VOTE: Platinum Phoenix

Interesting to note the changes compared to last time

Platinum Phoenix (6) ~ PenguinPower, norwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, RCEnigma, UiT, Ben (#1265)

I think the fact that he wasn't hammered (overly cautious scum couldn't get the right timing or excuse to hammer, or 3 scum already on the wagon) and the wagon similarity is telling.

Also- what makes you think that a wagon on him will go through today, even though it didn't yesterday?

[Vorkuta]

sorry i'm a bit pissed right now vorkuta.

not a fan of bringing up old shit

This and the page before

[Vorkuta]

Not our best moment.
Anyway- I think that was genuine and outside his scum range

[Vorkuta]

@Vork - how well would you rate your ability to read Chennis?

BP

0- I've mentioned several times that I'm used to a very passive/lurky/"doesn't leave too much of an impression/"mod-prod-him-already" Chenny
This Chen (by own announcement) is power-playing in this game so that's new to me.

I'm reading him based on what I think scum-optimal play would be- not chen-specific mafia play

I think that was genuine and outside his scum range

I don't, why?

I don't think scum resorts to emotional outbursts like these. It was quite heated at the moment.
Let me put it like this: if chen does flip scum after that, I will lose a lot of respect for him considering the shit he staged.

[Vorkuta]

Ok Vork who are you proposing is scum in either scenario? Well mostly if you think he wasn't hammered because all scum was on board and they couldn't get town to push it through.

I legit don't know- I thought it was UiT based on how he jumped on and off the wagons at EoD1 but he responded quite townily when I pointed it out.

I'm tinfoil afraid of it being a coordinated thing from GE and OG-PP, especially considering that their presence D2 has been.... unimpressive.
However that would mean my core!townblock has been infiltrated and I don't like making such assumptions

[Vorkuta]

why not?

Because uh.... like....
Emotions and shit

I just think it's suboptimal and would be "below-the-belt" to pull this

[Vorkuta]

It's not below-the-belt to do something you'd do as town, as long as it's within the rules.

Still feels really icky.
Like I've played with A50 so I know where the line is and what happens when it's crossed, but my personal read on Chenny is that he won't pull this as scum

So when you said it was outside his scum range is that because you think in general he's a good player? I'm just confused by your word choice of outside his scum range then saying that the read was based on optimal scum play.

I think he's a solid player with a bag of tricks for each alignment.
I BOTH think that his outburst
-is suboptimal for any scum!player
-chenny doesn't have this move in his scum!repertoire

[Vorkuta]

*sighs*

fake-PP

, please claim ur shit

[Vorkuta]

You think I killed Beta after 1375?

This isnt how town thinks

+1
I hate appeals like this, and S_S has teammates as well so that point is very moot.
Also scum!S_S could've been catching up overnight while his team dictated their night actions so...

[Vorkuta]

Interesting
Do explain why your NK opinions would overrule your teammates' please

[Vorkuta]

WIFOM...?
""""hard townreads""""
Hard scumreads the remaining 2 players?

Also I've done it before- hard pocketed someone D1~D2 and killed him off N2.

Not buying it

[Vorkuta]

Where the hell have I given an intent?
A "claim nao" was justified considering yesterday's lol-hammerer was still on the loose.
Also I was kind of waiting for elements to step up and say stuff as well....?
*sighs*

[Vorkuta]

S_S can still be town
UiT is real shady (assuming chenny greenflip which he said)
PP underperformed D2 IMHO
Hoptic should've posted a bit more as I've completely forgotten about him
RCE can maybe be town?
Norskie can be town more than other people
NaCl looks bad but I'm also getting bored/apathetic townie vibes from him
GE should get well and recover soon

BS is my strongest scum read

its funny because I left ^ in the last time I made a readlist

[Vorkuta]

Assuming chenny's not pulling twilight BS

EoD2: 6:3
N2: NK + Vig = 4:3 Lylo
Assuming no vig shot (because out/holstered) = 5:3 MyLo
Vig hit = 5:2 life is fun

fun

[Vorkuta]

Well how do we get the ball rolling today?

[Vorkuta]

Why aren't you pushing me today? I think I'm in the no reads territory. This game went from hyperactive to dead. And it did it kinda fast.

-I'm still also processing the NK
-I said that your defense/response to my EoD1 analysis was solid, and I'd rather not be wrong

I'm also not hyperactive enough to push you yet

[Vorkuta]

Guys let's massclaim

[Vorkuta]

Claim and popcorn it to someone else

[Vorkuta]

sigh

+1

[Vorkuta]

And Vorkuta, I would like to hear your thoughts on who's what.

I'm demoralized and burnt out- can someone else carry please?
I'll update my readlist when/if hoptic and GE post something interesting, but the problem is now I have to look at associations as well and those aren't as damning as I would like them to be.

Also I think its funny that early on in D1 I theorycrafted that the best way to deal with the zombie was to hit LyLo ASAP

[Vorkuta]

tris

(7) LYNCH ~ Gamma Emerald,

norwegianboyEE

,

Platinum Phoenix

, Hoptic,

benhalkum

, Unstuck in Time, NaCl

Platinum Phoenix

(6) LYNCH ~ Unstuck in Time,

Something_Smart

, PenguinPower,

norwegianboyEE

, RCEnigma, Gamma Emerald

Bare minimum and 0 effort """"VCA"""""

[Vorkuta]

We’d like to remind everyone once again that a policy lynch at this point would count as gamethrowing

well I'm 100% absolutely sold by this shitpost- you guys can be town for the day

/s

[Vorkuta]

UiT is real shady (assuming chenny greenflip which he said)

I mean... ngl I don't explicitly remember what was going through my head when I wrote that, but I'm pretty sure it had something to do with your pushes on him on D1 and D2.

Then I reread the game and really liked how you acknowledged my "EoD1 voting pattern" case on you and would rather push somewhere else today

[Vorkuta]

I'm just waiting for the replacement because we're bound to have the same discussion with them anyway

[Vorkuta]

RCE/PP/UIT is the game solve. You're welcome.

Can you explain why PP voted for UiT immediately upon day start though?

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: Gamma

UNVOTE:

Consider my vote there.

ah shoot, getting absent minded

fair

[Vorkuta]

Friendly reminder that there's still a zombie in the game and there's a decent chance that he/she might've wanted to intentionally get lynched on D2 for... "evil-master-plan" reasons so I'll be looking for that on my reread

[Vorkuta]

It's dead for a reason- GE's slot is MIA.
If it's town, it's physically impossible to get a majority over scum (unless there's a bus but like....)

And we'll have to brief/catchup/welcome the slot in anyway

[Vorkuta]

how do we prod baezu?

[Vorkuta]

unvote now

If he's town (and you're an idiot townie), scum can quickhammer right now
if he's scum, even if we get all townies sheeping you, we won't get a majority without gamma slot or a bus

[Vorkuta]

-yeah because we're waiting on a replacement and a mod
-id rather it be in stasis than over and with a loss

-if you unvote, scum's quickhammer window closes

[Vorkuta]

.......
we get a new replacement.... with whom we can discuss.... review current events.... make informed decisions....

or you can lose to a lolhammer

[Vorkuta]

you're insane if you think the deadline isn't frozen and we won't get an extension

[Vorkuta]

VC is 7 people not voting.
Sweet

We can play the game now

[Vorkuta]

Erm

We can play the game now

[Vorkuta]

Slightly concerned this is a scumslip.

[Vorkuta]

Vorkuta hadn't mentioned Gamma for over three weeks before then

Yeah- because he replaced out

Now we get the luxury of making a read based also on Titus slot.
Win-win

[Vorkuta]

S_S can still be town
UiT is real shady (assuming chenny greenflip which he said)
PP underperformed D2 IMHO
Hoptic should've posted a bit more as I've completely forgotten about him
RCE can maybe be town?
Norskie can be town more than other people
NaCl looks bad but I'm also getting bored/apathetic townie vibes from him
GE should get well and recover soon

BS is my strongest scum read

its funny because I left ^ in the last time I made a readlist

Volume 3, day 2 edition


{PP, GE, S_S}
{UiT, NorskEE}
{fake-PP}
{NaCl}
{RCE, Hop, BS}

You know, the fact that Hop is trying to catch me on whatever the fuck ^ that is is telling.
It makes literally 0 sense for scum to open their mouth in the situation above.

UiT's BS probably comes from increasingly nervous town as I'll be surprised if it's a scum!play.
Personal verdict- nothing more

Titus should deliver the VCA pls.
Is the fact that catchup is taking so long telling?
I think titus likes RTI but meh- gets leeway for being our replace in

[Vorkuta]

If Gamma is scum then we can lynch scum without Gamma being here and without bussing.

Ok I reread this because apparently I just glossed over and it had words in it

What the fuck is this play.
I thought Hectic was the one responsible for BS from your slot

[Vorkuta]

deadline: 0 days, 22 hours, 55 minutes

[Vorkuta]

Without reading, my initial instinct is lynch Vorkuta but we got no scum flips.

[Vorkuta]

but I still think we get an extension since we had an absent mod/slot in Lylo for a large portion of this day

+1

Stop panicking ffs

[Vorkuta]

Spoiler:

Gamma Emerald has asked for replacement. I will post in replacement thread but I’d you know someone who wants to take over his slot, please have them PM me

I profusely apologize for my absence. A bunch of real life stuff including the shutting down of my internet and cell phone has been going on. It took me awhile to get it all taken care of but I’m back now.

Titus replaces Gamma Emerald

What would a reasonable deadline extension be
Considering we've been missing a slot for 6 days, half of that seems not too bad?
3 days?
Too little? Too long?

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: RCE
shit did I miss it?

[Vorkuta]

UNVOTE:
hah I did

so it's prolly a No Lynch

GG

[Vorkuta]

Good job hoptic, NaCl, and UiT

[Vorkuta]

Huh

Hoptic spewing self town.....

[Vorkuta]

*pokes game with stick*
Is there a satisfying resolution..?

[Vorkuta]

Uh hey guys

What if by some stroke of luck we got a deadline extension and the hammer didnt count or something?

[Vorkuta]

yeah but can we get a hammer on someone who ISNT RCE?

I really really dislike the wagon on him and think that it comes from 2/3 scum who's like "WE LOLHAMMER TO WIN" while yelling at their teammate to get online

[Vorkuta]

ehhh

Yeah the first step is to get the mod in here

[Vorkuta]

+1
Did I fuck up way too much..?

[Vorkuta]

Vork were you town?

So hold on Vork. Who's the 2/3 scum on the RCE wagon? Because here's how the votes went down:

{You/Hop}, NaCl, and Titus no?

[Vorkuta]

There is a universe in which my hammer on RCE was/is forgiven due to deadline rush/misunderstandings and the day is still playing out. Which means our scumhunying isn't over
That's literally why I'm poking this game with a stick

[Vorkuta]

If RC was town and I was scum I'd be dancing here

I don't know you that well enough to confirm this, but ok
But here's my two cents:

-RCE is town and we lost: I'm sorry for wasting all your time, let's call this post-game discussion
-RCE is scum: well shit
---RCE is a zombie: from what I understand zombies don't rez if it endgame, so the scum!team has to forego an NK if they want him back
-Hammer didnt go through: well shit

[Vorkuta]

Because he literally voted one minute after the deadline, I was checking. Which sounds a bit too convenient.

Why the fuck do I even bother trying at that point?

Scum wins with the deadline timer expiring

[Vorkuta]

Your hammer isn't forgiven. The only question is whether it was in time or not.

""""Technically""""- there was no deadline extension for when I hammered.
If we do get one, it shouldn't include "no-man's time" in it, which means RCE is still at 3.

[Vorkuta]

Best case scenario is that the game isn't over. And there are "2" versions of events where that happens, so I'm still exploring them. And uh... I put up a fight until the very end, it's kinda my thing.

Here in Soviet Russia, law is determined by

party officials

mod

What BS explanation?

[Vorkuta]

I've heard of days getting replayed no?

[Vorkuta]

and that you were conscious of that at the time

Hah ok.
No- I was not aware of that at the time.
I posted first, then checked to see the expired deadline. (then unvoted)

Now I'm trying to use.... 'semantics' to find a plausible reason by which something can still happen.

[Vorkuta]

What's the harm?

The upside is that we may have an extra tad bit of preparation if the game is resumed

[Vorkuta]

*pokes this game with a stick*

[Vorkuta]

Cheers- quite a hilarious game guys and well played to all.

Uh... yeah- I was given free reign to do whatever I wanted by RCE and it felt kind of anti climatic to just NOT have the active ability of zombie you know?
Anyway- really sucks that it ended this game but meh.

[Vorkuta]

I'm also butthurt because I didn't get an answer to "who would win in a stalemate"
i.e
D3- lynch RCE
N3- No kill
D4- RCE revives, lynch him again.
N4- No kill
.... repeat

Who would have to "break" in that case?
I'm legit curious and 70% wanted to go down that route

[Vorkuta]

sounds like that would be an official draw, no?

No but flavor wise the undead team should win that

was I right about this being coordinated ooi?

honestly no
I think we had 0 coordination on D1 voting/attacking/discrediting/pressuring

[Vorkuta]

For posterity

Spoiler:

[Vorkuta]

But if you shot me N1, how would I have been able to pocket you so well on D2?

Yeah.. I remember the first time I played vig as well. I was sad/depressed/butthurt/"IF ONLY" for a few months afterwards