Open 768: C9++ [GAME OVER]

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Hey you guys !!! I'm so excited to be here This list is amazing.

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I'm gonna try that thing where I don't do much til D3 then come back and obvtown and catch the scums and save the day

♪＼(*＾▽＾*)／＼(*＾▽＾*)／

Have a lovely few weeks everyone.

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VOTE: Nibbui

pedit: oh god rolling SK against you again sounds like my personal hell

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VOTE: Nibbui

pedit: oh god rolling SK against you again sounds like my personal hell

is this page 3 serious or you're just too shy to ask me for a formal dance?

Bit of both

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I'm gonna try that thing where I don't do much til D3 then come back and obvtown and catch the scums and save the day

sorry nibbui, explaining that would be far too much effort pre-d3. ;/

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UNVOTE:

I feel like I'm the only one tryharding and it's just sad

what are you trying hard to do?

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talk me thru it - what are your reads & what have you done to generate AI content?
why is my posting NAI and how do you feel about the votes on my wagon/

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depends why you voted me, mr. bungl. my feeligns are hurt.

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My feelings were hurt first.

I know that's why you have to answer first :<

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I know that's why you have to answer first :<

You've been avoiding engagement with me. T/F

actually I'm trying to force engagement w you at the cost of sensibility!

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add me on snapchat x

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don't count on it Nor, Mr. Bbui is tragically scum aligned.

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Why would I go back on my read? You haven't apologised for rolling scum yet

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Why do you like voting town?

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Hhhmmmmmm if you promise to vote scum with me after we get bored of the wagon sure

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VOTE: wicked
I'm not townreading Bungle and it's scary

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I'm not townreading u and it's scary

why is that scary?

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Why is it scary you dont townread jingle yet?

postcount & presence - you ducked my question

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more I think I should have some kind of energy from him and wanted my lack of read noted

nibbui vote was like... fairly obviously an exercise in getting his brain ticking. wicked vote is bc I want to vote wicked.

rvs is normally where I form a tonne of my earlygame reads and the first few pages of this game were an exchange of largely useless posts between nibbui & bingle so I feel backfooty and disengaged atm - why do you place an onus on me to have detailed reasoning for every action I take?

finally: do you think I'm scum? I'm noting your hedging actions around shading my actions but your preference towards "not townreading" language which tends to indicate a guilty conscience. so curious to see if there's something more here or if I'm overthinking the push

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I'm not used to you being this defensive this early - post wasn't entirely written in good faith, no - if you're not townreading me or scumreading me I think you should bring it on tbh

I don't think nibbui did much AI prior to my vote; but he was tonally strong and did signal town (kinda gently called for attention to how towny he was) which made me want to poke him a little firmer. also didn't feel like he/jingle were s/s but I didn't really like the loss of the start of the game so.... I felt probing there was necessary to give me a comfortable read on nibbui. I thought my vote on him was adequately silly that people outside the vacuum would realise it was for reactions. if you still think that's suspect then like ┐(´д｀)┌ sorry? sort me when I've done more exciting things

I voted wicked because I wanted to; I don't have an opinion on him yet. yes it's opportunistic. it's an opportune time to get involved in mounting a wagon and getting some reactions outta him. :> if this is a push for being vote #3 on the wagon I think you've played w me often enough to know I play too silly for that to work

I was kinda pinged by you commenting that you were concerned you didn't townread me yet. probably more so than anything else in your ISO--could you unpack that for me?

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Which is the best wagon to sheep

wicked or skitter up 2 u

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Scum are pushing the Norwegian wagon but like... ok

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NorwegianboyEE (3): Emperor flippyNips, Menalque, Blatant Scum

+ skitter, endorsed by teacher

do you see it?

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teacher!! look!! I'm a counter-wagon!!

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I can't accept that apology in good faith, Bungle, but feel free to leave me an earnest apology in the pt for telling your scumbuds to try and mislynch me :<

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372 / 376

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yes.. because you've been posting so much
are you deliberately holding back the vibes or still getting warmed up?

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solid vote, what makes ya cast it?

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don't panic Nor, teacher isn't town. all will be clear soon.

mind updating me on your reads?

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Neutral/Unsure:
- Emperor Flippynips (Leaning scum, but i've played a game where he was like this. Just posting memes and being very low activity when it comes to producing actual content. Has a scummy towngame IMO.)
- Egix96 (Leaning town, but he hasn't said a lot so i'm putting him as neutral)
- ceejayvinoya (Low activity terrible slot, but i can't just properly read him based on nothing. Neutral for now)
- Bingle (I don't understand anything this dude says. Could be scum intentionally being obfuscating. Or he's town with a very peculiar form of behavior i just can't fathom properly)
- DrDolittle (Almost no content to speak of. Speak up more guy.)

Light scumread:
- Menalque (I want to know whether i just don't like this guy's atttude in general or whether i am correctly scumreading him. His bad excuses to aggressively push townies piss me off.)
- Wickedestjr (I get the vibe that Skitter and Nibbui has been mentioning. Has the time to complain about the gamestate but not actively participating in it.)
- Blatant Scum (Shitty slot. All he's done so far is sheeping a vote with not much behind it and typing 1 sentence posts that don't add much.)

your townreads are kinda fine except I do prefer playing scum atm (albeit slightly!) and teacher wasn't rvs wagoned so I'm not sure why you were townleaning him in the first place - also don't think people being rvs wagoned is town indicative either so if you wanna go into any of this it might help

allowing teacher's fall from grace -- who would your strongest townreads out of the list I've quoted be?

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10 pages spawned while i was sleeping i'm prrrrrrobably gonna skip those
is bingle still really struggling with engaging w anyone?

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i want some more spicy takes on skitter
also i need an outside pov because i think what she's pushing is kinda unbelievable but not in a necessarily scummy way

she's playing hard and i'm not convinced she thinks any of what she's doing atm will secure mislynches

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hi back

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not thrilled about either wicked or skitter votes that tw suggested tbh

i might just lurk a bit harder until page 20-ish hits and ask again

this is ironically kinda towny lmao

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VOTE: skitter
LET'S GET THEM SCUMS BUNGLE!

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you're townier than skitter bungle

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how so?

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like
i'm town. you're placing a bizarrely high onus on me to do towny things. doing towny things early d1 is +survivalism and in this gamestate -sorting. so it's not valuable for me to do towny things early d1.
you're then attacking me for... not doing towny things with no wariness of what my motivation might be.

if you're town you probably need to reevaluate this read because you're policy tunnelling me; you don't seem to be reevaluating it and bungle is creating friction in the gamestate clearly-intentionally - and you're interpreting that as a scum driven activity?

so 2/3 scum in this game are... intentionally drawing as much attention to themselves as possible, without doing anything to look like they're towny, with the result of the gamestate advancing rapidly and neither of these alleged scumslots coming out of it looking tonwy?

this is super level 1 logic skitter, if you want to admit you don't **actually** think you'll successfully lynch either of us now is probs the time

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indeed bungle might be WKing me but tackling you head-on when you're playing this hard is also a fucking bizarre decision if it's a scum-motivated one

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his initial vote is >rand scum, i don't think his unvote/reeval/revote manoeuvre in itself is actually town indicative (it's either town tryna sort me or scum tryna work out if i'm lynchable) but his suggestion that i was emulating my usual read on him was pretty critical and interesting

also think he's advancing the gamestate in interesting ways

skitter towncase above feels TMI but there's some credit in there

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just for posterity i am weakly townreading nibbui

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actually if skitter is leaning heavily into meta i think it's really strange she's decided to push me hard d1 - i'm actually emulating my confirmable-TPR meta

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nibz

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think it's probably more interesting interacting in realtime than catching up on massive amounts of pages

how are your reads comin along?

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what's got you sussing teacher & Bingle?

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if i threw a readlist together atm it'd be some level of fake; too many moving pieces and too much in flux

i agree with your teacher read but i like his probing questions, kinda leaving him to do his own thing a little bit. after our very first game together i'm very wary of teacher - he can do a lot of damage as UTR scum.

don't really see scum motive from bingle either rn so i don't really agree with a scumread on him but i still wouldn't say i townread him necessarily. i'm being stingy so far.

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after our very first game together i'm very wary of teacher - he can do a lot of damage as UTR scum.

??
I don’t think you were in normal 2016?
I don’t think I’ve rolled scum against you?

it was a marathon i'm pretty sure
i had you d1 but we got sidetracked, you n1'd me and just cruised to victory

aware marathon meta is semi-anecdotal but i feel justified in being wary of you.

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nah
VOTE: Nor

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as in double negative
I definitely see scum motive from bungle

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lol

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I might look worse than nor but I'm also town
my issue w him is those ates and jokes are the towniest parts of his iso

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That wasn't a serious post at all - I was seeing how DrDolittle responded :>

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- Bingle (He's acting weird. Not much else for me to say about him, i don't know his scum play)

I'm never really a fan of meta - scrap his usual scumplay, what do you think his motives are for being weird here?

also UNVOTE: - will sort this later

our reads are kinda similar except skitter is up, nibbui is just weakly down for me, and I outright suspect bungle is scum. I think a couple of your scumreads are pretty null for me and vice versa too but they're the less spicy slots.

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re 783, DEFINITELY! - do you think it's scummy?

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This guy looks the worst out of everyone.
VOTE: Blatant Scum

Why am I your *strongest* scumread?

look pal I don't wanna have to break it to you....

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I want that.

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let's go Jo Nesbø on him!!

ok he's not really mafia adjacent I just don't know many Norwegian crime writers

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re 783, DEFINITELY! - do you think it's scummy?

Yes.

why tho

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Not rn really no

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Idk, doesn't sit right yet. That's why I'm gonna work it out tmrw

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making an account called Almost20 and pretending this site was a dating app would be so upsetting and so funny simultaneously

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why?

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this is going somewhere - the post was defensive in a real ott way but I don't think it was all that AI

in the context of his iso the fact he's not doing much except questioning & defending himself has me kind of holding out for more

but I think he was just responding to something he thought was kinda silly - not sure if that is scum indicative. probably not town indicative either.

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making an account called Almost20 and pretending this site was a dating app would be so upsetting and so funny simultaneously

Watch out your words.
I am capable of doing it...

I can't wait to see this.
it could even be our hydra. if you're into gimmicks.

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infinite / infinite + infinite to the power of infinite minus infin--- oh yeah I suppose that's probably positive

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no need to apologise dearest, I actually haven't for real. \o/

take your time - I'll be here all week.

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no

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i think you rolled scum and want to be lynched as quickly as possible tbh

that's why you're not trying

I have a lot of responses to this but very few valuable ones

- I am trying like a solid 5-6/10 this game

- getting lynched quickly as scum e.g. to get out of a game is generally firmly anti-wincon so not something I'm prepared to do; I also enjoy playing scum more than town atm so :shrug:

pedit: jeez that's more valid than what I was proposing. if you take that line of reasoning tho all you get is my lynch and a lot of confusion around associatives if I DID flip scum...anyway this conversation is a rabbit hole. I'm town and doing my thing. sorry you're misreading me.

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Sorry Jo. I have a new favourite Norwegian crime writer.

Generally I agree. I also don't find that he's doing anything with a notably positive motive or mindset behind it tho so I'm currently leaning more into B than A.

Bungle is always C.

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If C9++ is the one I made the spreadsheet for there's an SK in it but I CAN'T REMEMBER

so you think I read strongly non-town but not associated with anyone? unpack for a moment: why don't I read as town?

correct sometimes I push things in bad faith if I want to - generally if I'm more curious to see how people will react to it, than I am earnestly believing in everything I push. I can't really think of a good faith way to push bullshit so I stopped trying.

I am sincerely trying - not much, but trying all the same. you don't see what I'm trying to do?

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update there's a serial thriller

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I haven't tried to look unaligned with bungle at all and I have no idea how you reached that conclusion.

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alright I'm gonna hunt exclusively for groupscum and basically wave off the existence of an SK until we have (much more valuable) red flips

sadly I am still just town

you guys can do whatever you want

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ftr I don't think there's actually been a good faith effort to work out the motivation behind my posts as of yet itt -- skitter is hardcore tunnelled (but earnestly feels that she's correct so is less likely to be groupscum) & Nibbui is hyperfocused on like my Nor vote which I don't think is particularly interesting but he's also probably?? town

defending myself from you guys is like intensely boring

if you think I'm scum there's 2-3 other scumslots so help me bus the fuck outta my partners



pedit: Nibs re engagement -- this post should hit the nail on the head. you're not reaching out to me about stuff that's worth me engaging w you on. there's enough content itt for you to get my alignment right, you're focused on weird stuff. I'd rather focus on slots who could actually be scum

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so 2/3 scum in this game are... intentionally drawing as much attention to themselves as possible, without doing anything to look like they're towny, with the result of the gamestate advancing rapidly and neither of these alleged scumslots coming out of it looking tonwy?

@tw: you trying to portray the notion that you/jingle are svs as ridiculous

not at all, I was trying to get inside your head. this point still applies even if you don't think we're aligned: you have a really weird expectation of what scum would be doing in this gamestate and it's out of character

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I'm like markedly undecided on you but I'm considering you.
Bungle.
maybe teacher?? I'm losing focus there, I'll check later.
I think Egix is my snazziest take for scum.

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there's enough content itt for you to get my alignment right,

there isn't and you should know better

just flicked back to my early iso and I think there is. why should I know better?
I haven't been obfuscating my motives all that much

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VOTE: bünglé

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I am pro lolhammer but can't see myself doing it intentionally for a while yet

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I didn't see that - I'm not miserable, I don't mind if you need to vote me. I'll be finding scums.

pedit: skitter is best take for SK atm

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yea
I actually think skitter believes some of her pushes but there's also this cut of stubbornness/opportunism

it's hard to label 100%

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yes that's why I've been trying to push your buttons

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I have you as town or sk yeah probably not groupscum

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I'd actually rather eat my entire sock drawer than towncase myself

Knowing when to end the day is a science. It's not time to end the day yet (at least isn't advantageous to my wincon)

I have no idea what the last paragraph above me means, I'm calling for folks to stop asking me boring questions bc my time is better spent on non me slots

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Sure is a lovely day to be town.

I think I've been transparent. What's confused you?

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I didn't freak out I made the votes because I wanted to

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you should see your gp. you can get something for policy lust.

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that's a pretty good summary except my eyes are blue

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Hey I let people have my bus seat and sometimes try and remember to turn light switches off when I leave the room I'm trying my best ok

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dude you've bent yourself so hard to get to that read that you look like a pretzel

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big mood

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remember that time you tried to mislynch me w the cute evil ducky images? good times

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my eyes are blue you can fix that so easy

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hi DrDolittle
here to save the day?

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I'm impressed u didn't opportunistically vote but a little sad you didn't vote

even so good job

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the bear is town

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wanna suddenly wagon teacher for fun and profit?

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the question mark thing is hilariously actually attached to a singleball towntell for skitter

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my play is markedly different between queues these days too

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VOTE: wicked

enjoy the v/la skitter, I'll find the scums and make you proud if you're town - if not I'll find the scums and make you sad

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LMFAO. yep exactly how I feel.

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sometimes when that happens I just go from scratch and try to resolve based on the reads I currently feel strongly about

might feel tedious but there's no reason to feel attached to reads

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dayvig someone

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I think you had a couple more alts you didn't name but icr off the top of my head

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wicky that's a deeply political read list

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Almost52 it has been WAY too long since we've played together <3 <3

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I rolled town vig once.
low key I hate SK, it's lonely :{

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it's not my fault ok that scumteam just looked extra tasty

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At least now we have Almost50, who is like a quirky secondary antihero/antivillain regardless of his alignment.

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Running the risk of making an optically scummy post because I'm kinda in awe.... A50 I'm trying to remember a time when you misread me and I can't think of one. Do you actually have a 100% read rate on me?

Obviously not counting Starcraft because you were on point but we bossed you into abandoning your read

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effort yay! \o/

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honestly checking to see if the joke had been made would be more effort than the joke deserved

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Time to give this game the effort it deserves

Alright well good night everyone

this made me snort
i'm at work
thanks :///

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Running the risk of making an optically scummy post because I'm kinda in awe.... A50 I'm trying to remember a time when you misread me and I can't think of one. Do you actually have a 100% read rate on me?

Obviously not counting Starcraft because you were on point but we bossed you into abandoning your read

I am not sure, but let me ask you this: How well are you familiar with Flavor Leaf's recent play style? And how about his dynamic relation with RCE in multiple games they play together?

i know they're both bloody fun but i'm pretty out of date

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Time to give this game the effort it deserves

Alright well good night everyone

this made me snort
i'm at work
thanks :///

just reread this in Richard Ayoade's voice and now i've got the giggles

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i'm really not sure you're town but i am ABSOLUTELY sure i love you

where's your head at on people's alignments?

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actually v easy to feel manufactured if it's scum pushing against town
generally it feels earnest when it's town pushing against scum who is trying to squirm/pocket but it's just real obvious what the scum is doing

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i like norwegian more too : ]
also still think those reads are pretty optically focused/political so i'm interested to see the inner workings of your mind

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your images aren't loading for me so idk if they're contentful or not

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i figured others cld see it and maybe it'd work on my phone or smth

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\':
still luv

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dw i don't need you to townread me, i just need you to be town

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any take on drdolittle?

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if nor flips red powerlynch wicked

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I CLD WAGON EGIX

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sorry caps

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why do you enjoy voting town?

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a50 you were meant to be TOWN damnit

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HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME

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i am so confident that wicked is scum but i don't really want to 1v1 him because it would just be too abstract

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(i'm also still reading all your posts in my internal richard ayoiafe voice)

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i'm down - throw me the things you feel like i've been lackin in, i'll answer

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*First paragraph of this post seemed like a pretty poor defense.

it's not a defence. it's a read on skitter's push on me.

*Correct me if I’m wrong, but it looks like he does a rapid flip on his Bingle read from saying he doesn’t agree with a Bingle scumread to saying Bingle is outright scummy a page later. The worst, can you explain that?

i admitted like, within a page of saying i didn't see scum motive from bingle that i see scum motive from bingle. first quoted post was not serious.

*Saying he’s trying a 5-6 out of 10 doesn’t seem to mesh with being excited about the playerlist a few days ago. TW why just a 5-6 out of 10?

i don't think being excited about the playerlist explicitly means that i have to tryhard a game pumping out upwards of 10 pages while i sleep

sorry i didn't think any of these were worth responding to; you're misreading/misinterpreting my posts, not trying to parse my motive and the last one is directly shading a dubiously-alignment indicative factor

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while you were coasting i dogeared you as a "read later" slot
when you posted your readlist it was political - your reads aligned largely with postcount & noise levels, except for your scumreads which were the popular scumreads.

when you posted the bigpost i was struck that you're not trying to look for things that look towny or scummy - you're townreading noisy people and shading your scumreads

like there's no trajectory there; i don't see how you've formed these reads. there's no sorting there; i don't see how you're trying to press your reads to do alignment-indicative things. it's a big noisy post and i think it's engineered as an attempt to look towny.

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chalk this one up to being one for the textbooks lmao

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@Nor
A50 is always like that during a replace-in; he mellows out & focuses more if that makes sense. (he's always funny though )

Could you talk me through your feelings about Wicked's reads in a bit more detail?

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yo

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bingle why do you think skitter is scum in one paragraph? if that's still a read you have

i'd be interested in this too bingle

===

yo

oh hi skitter, your avi and username look really different today

hey menalque, yeah i'm trying out a new look

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aw it's just one = I just woke up

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i p much figured ducks live on planets so really my avi has been millions of ducks all along? might as well own it


(imitating skitter is hard I need coffee)

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yeah that checks out

so I figure it's been a while in D1 so you prob have the solve by now yeah?

(it's the duck isn't it? tell me it's the duck)

the duck is town actually

you're p scummy teacher

still don't think anyone should be townreading wicked for his big post unless they want to explain that to me

probably scum somewhere in {a50, bingle and me, skitter!} but i haven't solved that yet

how's your solve going? if this is your towngame i don't see it yet :/

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forgot about egix; he's not town lol

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Are you sure about the duck, skitter30? I really thought his early content was bad. What changed your read on him?

hard to say, he kinda doesn't care. he p consistently tries to actually look like town as scum which he hasn't bothered with here. he's also been the main wagon for abt 40 pages and no one really seems concerned about that. it doesn't really feel like he has scumbuddies or anyone to impress.

I'm not sure that I think wicked's big post is particularly towny, but I don't think I scum read him more than other people. Do you not think that slot will become clearer as the game progresses? I'm more worried that if there's scum in one of the more proficient scum players and we don't lynch them today it may be hard to get this much pressure on them again later in the game when paranoia has increased exponentially.

p much yeah
if there's a chance to pressure under the radar scum it's d1 before everyone starts trying to lynch outlandish scumreads

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I'm not sure that I think wicked's big post is particularly towny, but I don't think I scum read him more than other people. Do you not think that slot will become clearer as the game progresses? I'm more worried that if there's scum in one of the more proficient scum players and we don't lynch them today it may be hard to get this much pressure on them again later in the game when paranoia has increased exponentially.

I don't like how it's practically identical to what i said before

it feels more like you're shadowing me than you're actually thinking it out like that for real

what does this make you feel about teacher's alignment?

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i think digestion/regurgitation is a slight towntell. scum are usually more wary of copying points other people have literally made. town needs to digest a lot of info p quickly and compress it into an answer to one question. the way he did it felt like he didn't care you've made a similar point (clear conscience) and like he was presenting it as his own thought (unconsciously copying rather than trying to steal your thunder)

just something i've been thinking about lately

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on the flipside being like "as nibbui said I think Wicked's big catchup was pretty nai" which is too self conscious and sometimes kinda warlocky

also tw was there in real time to be underwhelmed by the wall so maybe you should all check yourself for copying him

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Why do you think that he regurgitating me is slight positive but wicked regurgitating what everyone already said sometimes is negative?

everything is balance dude

teacher (Menaphos) is mostly game advancing nuanced thought with occasional splatters of earnest regurgitation

wicked has done nothing except have real safe reads and use other people's onions for having them

former is towny latter is coasting

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tw if you are scum here and i give up on this wagon rn i'll be super heartbroken

??

i'm skitter today

VOTE: egix think I'm already voting there but idk

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*thumbs up*
don't see him reacting to that if I was a less vulnerable slot

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jeez I sure hope they realise the fact I slam dunked scum!Egix instantly is town indicative I really don't feel like being townier

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jeez I sure hope they realise the fact I slam dunked scum!Egix instantly is town indicative I really don't feel like being townier

obvious bus

you MONSTER

That emoji has the dual purpose of taunting ducky and nom. Multipurpose mastina face up in here.

you hilarious, wonderful MONSTER

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I'm gonna laugh and rant so hard if scum team is in the lurkish slots btw...

same lmao i think some of the lurky slots are p transparent and some are fishy
same w/ active slots

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No mention of skitter here. Instead it appears that you're arguing that looking towny is at the expense of 'sorting'. And that seems like a giant stretch.

i'm directly tackling the way skitter was reading me.

Where's the joke? Or why just say something that you don't actually believe? I don't get it.

have another read of that page, i suspect it'll make more sense in context
i was trying to build incredibility with someone for rxns

But it's not my job to stop scumreading someone just because everyone else is. And it's also weird of you to be pushing this point so hard given that you seem to suspect teacher/Bingle too. What do you think of the people that started scumreading teacher/Bingle after I did?

receipts?
you're not parsing why i think it's scum indicative from you; a lot of us have stated and clear trajectory (including myself in this because outside of really obvious lies which i've owned up to my trajectory has been clear). your trajectory is completely hidden to the rest of us (you made notes while catching up) & you just arrived at the end with a wall shading your scumreads, asking unproductive questions & finding confbiasy reasons to townread your townreads

the fact that your reads are political and you appear to lack any trajectory is what's concerning me; not that your reads are consensus in isolation. if a lot of people have clear trajectory and consensus reads that's usually a sign that the common reads are likely to be correct. but people coming along for the ride without showing original thought process are a lot more likely to be scum trying to blend in.

This is just completely wrong. My entire post is filled with examples of things that I found towny or scummy. And two of the people that I'm scum leaning are you and Bingle who are two of the 'noisiest' players in this game.

we're both posting a lot, yes, but we're not noisy. we're keeping a pretty casual pace.
compare to e.g. skitter, nibbui, menaphos, drdolittle to a lesser extent, who have a real sense of urgency and intensity to their posting

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i'm not sure how else to view your post except for in a vacuum wicked :c there's really nothing supporting it in your iso unless i'm completely missing something

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@wick if you wanna meta skitter, i'd read skitter's more recent scumgames rather than her award winning one
i think what will strike you more than her like "powerwolfing" or sheer dominance as scum is the swift evolution of her scum playstyle

she also presents v differently as scum in singleball vs. multiball

i'm behind on her meta so any observations wld be appreciated but i'm also kinda bored w meta these days

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woah skitter when'd you change back your avi?

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i'm quite good at reading cjv so i'm very sad

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i very srsly don't think he's done anything outside of scumrange so far but i'm happy to shelf that

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both skitters agree on 1271

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lol

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that's what i keep sayin

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don't really see scum motive from bingle either rn

Really ???

nah

skitter v1 you were literally this person
how do you nakedvote me at the time then pivot to finding it sketchy days later when wicked brings it up?

*Correct me if I’m wrong, but it looks like he does a rapid flip on his Bingle read from saying he doesn’t agree with a Bingle scumread to saying Bingle is outright scummy a page later. The worst, can you explain that?

it *does* look like he does a rapid flip on his bingle read!

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ok but i want him to bus you first tho

thought i was an sk last time
sadly he can't bus me as we are transparently unaligned

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lynching in {me, bingle} when you have an X/SK read on us is literally +scum ev
even if you're not lynching to hit sk we're harder slots to sort - and we will be resolved later

you're letting blatantly scummier slots skate by. why?

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^^^^^^^

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.....lol

nibbui congrats on the promotion
skitter is scum

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egix is literally scum.
wicked is v likely scum.

if you think i'm distancing from bingle then not distancing from bingle bc one of us is a sk then i'm distancing from wicked without supporting the read i think you're fabricating reads to make me look suspicious regardless of the situation: this is pushing a lynch, not a read.
sorting for SK day one when there are clearly-scum slots is scumsiding - simple fact.
pushing slots which are more ~dubious~ because you're worried we'll be alive for longer over slots which are explicitly scum is either defending a buddy or positioning mislynches for later in the game

you aren't pushing anything that involves lynching mafia d1 - why?

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if you think {bingle, tw} is sk/mafia accept that these factions necessarily have to remove each other - SKs are good at finding groupscum and groupscum are (usually) ok at finding SKs. max town ev play is to let them gun each other down.

yet you feel that you have to steer the lynch into this false dichotomy and choose to apply your weight to swinging the gamestate away from lynching obvscum slots. given how much pressure bungle/i are already under it makes no sense to lynch us today; you should be aware that at a meta level i also become a lot more obvious after d1. i literally can't see town motive in the way you're swinging this and the way you're casing your ""reads"" looks like you're gunning for lynches rather than dynamically having and reevaluating reads

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skitter is scum

If this is true, I demand a whole loaf of bread in the postgame.

hmph

fine.

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ok your take has been debunked as invalid and scum motivated so you're warlocking an old stance of nibbui's

sorry am i meant to be townreading you?

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you're right, i'm pushing for a lynch on either of you because i veeery strongly don't believe that you're town

again you're not actively trying to sort us and ignoring other slots that are scummier than us.

i'm not explicitly sorting for sk so much as i have two players that i don't believe are town and are probably not aligned. that still means one of you is mafia

if the dichotomy is valid allow that we have to remove each other from the game. lynch scummy slots as per usual, what you're trying to do doesn't improve town ev.
the dichotomy isn't valid btw i'm sickeningly aware that i'm town

this isn't a game that i'm going to be alive long in, i'm p sure, and i want to make sure that things are set up as well as i possibly can for afterwards

by deathtunnelling slots and not evaluating reads?
if you're town + there's any level of deepwolf you'll be here til pretty close to lylo

(also i don't do half-assed defenses of partners, scum!me never tries to mislynch either of you, so try again)

i'm not really putting any stock in "scum me wouldn't ____" from you given that outplaying your scum meta is literally your defining scum trait.
am i meant to be townreading you here?

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i need to run to lynch

skitter if i'm misreading you, reevaluate this - i think it's obv this isn't a fake read - do towny stuff and i'll come back un-tunnelled

i'm skitter v2 today so i'm capable of skittering for the next 12 hours

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blatant would not be a wise lynch

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i'm not, that's actually a better-worded rundown of why wicked is stressing me out

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i got pretty towny and no other wagons happened until egix either tho so i'm pretty interested in your gamestate read.

agree wrt Nib's Egix case. what little he's done is indeed lowkey scummy

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nothing's convincing me egix or wicked are town lol

feel slightly warm & fuzzy that skitter has the same wicked read as i did, that reminds me of the days when i used to agree w her a lot but was scared to voice my onions

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Is it bad that I read 5 pages and found nothing to comment on?

massive mood here

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I'm feeling this for RN.
VOTE: FlippyNips

you for reals?

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Not sure how I feel about duck assuming town!skit survives for lylo.

nobody sane leaves town!skit alive until lylo but like
if i was scum i'd be leaving her til day lylo-1

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aw jeez
VOTE: teacher

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i'd actually be interested in why lol

i think i've been pretty transparent on this; i think you're being a bit too stubborn this game

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maybe upgrade that to 95. I'm feeling real good about skitter I feel like elli

ok guys my suspicions were correct. drdolittle is an elli alt. we kill him n1.

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oops hehe pt slip lol or is it lol

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maybe - we're all fallible

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Im actually inclined to agree with that, much as it sucks RN. FHPOV, the read on me makes total sense.

PEDIT: weird.

i mean
i kinda hate not townreading you for extended periods as town
but i don't see a reason to townread you yet :c

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no one is asking why i think skitter is town and that makes me sad .

i would but i'm starting to think she's town too and it makes me ANGRY

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man i'm sure glad that pt slip blew over, close call

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man i'm sure glad that pt slip blew over, close call

wrong chat

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man i'm sure glad that pt slip blew over, close call

wrong chat

I gave up wine for Yom Kippur. Pls stop.

haha good post, we're not gonna look anything like buddies now!!

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uh..

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i'd forgotten that too :/

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or somewhere between

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I heartily endorse the teacher cw but I also have to ask.... what do you you make of overlord nibbui's minicase on Egix?

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do you think mindset is indicative of alignment often?

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sweaty I called Egix scum long before nibbui's mini case lol I think his ISO is super obvious but keep tryin

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bet ya anything teacher will say he's voting nips because nips is the most utr slot but it's a v surface reason to try and pressure someone, don't really get the feeling nips will react

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1440 a little :c I should have been more earnest w this sorry 1441 not really just anticipating the 2 dimensional response and hoping for something spicier (pressure => teacher not at you)

ok you're not gonna catch entire scumteams via people voting after cases are made. who's vote don't you like - bingle or a50? allowing mine was long before the egix minicase in practice I'm kind of of removing myself from the sheep pool

who's the opportunistic sheep fypov?

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Yeah i sort of mentally removed you from the pool, but i thought of including you anyway just to see your reaction. I think Bingle and A50 both is acting kinda opportunistically here. I just get the feeling that this is the sort of case that’s created to "catch" voting scum rather than the actual person that’s being cased. Don’t you get the same feeling?

I don't disagree yeah - I don't think it discounts Egix's scumminess or realistically says a lot about either of their alignments unfortunately. Was kinda interested in seeing if you had a stronger onion than me.

SHEEPING ISN'T BAD WHEN IT'S ABOUT DOING JUSTICE

serious though norwegian, i think you're underestimating egix scumminess bc it's not a heavily "logical" case where there's is "problem" with their reads or something

^^ agree

I don't feel like tw's treatment of me this game comes from town!worst. After saying nothing about or to me for most of the game, he claims to have a "snazz[y] take for scum" of me, then later blurts out that he "cld (sic) wagon" me. Why would he approach me in that way?

I'm sorry what? This is all? There's like 80 things in my ISO which are more apparently-compromising than me pushing your slot and this is literally the only reason you has for snapvoting me?

I'm wagoning you because you don't look like town. my snazzy take that you were scum was because your ISO was entirely fluffy friendly coasting (don't tell me you aren't aware of this and didn't expect this kind of push)

so here I am pushing you without an ounce of charisma or cuteness or effort to try and look good and you think it's a scummy push because, what, I'm underselling it? This isn't you trying to determine whether I'm pushing you because I want to mislynch you or whether I'm pushing you because I think you're town & deciding on the former. You're pushing me because I look bad.

How isn't this a town!worst behaviour?
How is this a scum!worst behaviour?

You made the call and I think it's absolutely fallacious and opportunistic - prove me wrong

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you're on the better cw

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I don't think you're underselling it per se, it's more that I don't believe you genuinely think I am evil

Talk to me more about this?