Open 768: C9++ [GAME OVER]

[Volpe14]

Hi²

[Volpe14]

Blergh. I do t get why you two wanted to do this. It makes connecting ISO’s and doing multiples harder.

I'm officially entering battery economy mode. I want to lay back, lurk a bit and post reads/walls. That's what this is about.

[Volpe14]

I re:read the convo with teacher and I feel his frustation. But I think it can simply be from scum that imagines being "

caught for the wrong reasons

".

If I'm wrong and you're town, I'm

truly

sorry teacher, I hope that if this is ever the case, there won't be a bad mood between us in post-game especially since we plan to play you know what together.

Right now I believe you're just more likely scum though and I'll keep pushing this wagon.

[Volpe14]

I'm back it hasn't been 10 days and I'm already burned out of the game again...

I'll keep playing my current games + Team Mafia though...

[Volpe14]

For the record I'm not backing down my scum read on Egix because of NSG...

[Volpe14]

Hm.

[Volpe14]

I would rather lynch bingle than to lynch duck right now if you want an active poster.

I thought teacher/tw could be a thing but they being both wagoned makes me not think so.

I'm completely lacking energy but if I recover it I'll make sure to capslock until we get teacher today. no redirects.

[Volpe14]

@emperor @A50 @Menalque

vote teacher?

if no, why wooper over teacher?

[Volpe14]

Egix, Wooper, now A50.

Since Teacher wagon rose up there was plenty of tries on redirecting. Just for the record.

A50 supposing you're town, if you don't vote teacher you might be the lynch. Care to join us with that in mind? I would rather hammer you than wooper right now.

[Volpe14]

Oh wait

actually the real counterwagon-try list is

Egix, Bingle, Wooper, A50.

[Volpe14]

Gun to my head I'd still lynch NSG, as I don't think she's done enough for me to TR her. I am kind of thinking "what would Mathdino do here?" and I think he would be hella suspicious of NSG she played so far. Problem is nobody's voting (or willing to vote) her.

I think she has been considerably town for NSG. I could explain in more detail but I'm devoid of energy²

[Volpe14]

I disagree with teacher hopping on A50 as a good sign but I agree it's not badposting.

lynching A50 here is really complete random odds of flipping town/scum in my opinion though with the caveat of being a low info lynch either way.

[Volpe14]

We've 2 days.

@NSG @Skitt @Wicked @Egix

Can we vote teacher instead of A50?

I'm not keen on lynching wooper today either.

[Volpe14]

If A50 is scum this lynch would be ~decent~ but if he flips town it's the most low info lynch you could

ever

ask for.

Are any of you in A50 wagon

confident

that it flips scum? Because if you aren't, and instead is in a "it's more likely flipping scum than not but not sure", I don't think you should be gunning for him here.

I think more often than not this setup has at least 3 scum, be they all groupscum or with a SK. There's plenty of scum hunting elsewhere to do in my opinion.

Serious wagons of today are Wooper and teacher. I want teacher.

I'm going to reply Bingle "is this all of your case on teacher" later but my preview is no, I don't think it makes justice to the wagon the way you phrased it.

[Volpe14]

After the recent Hope One More Plus I've given up on trying to direct town PRs but if you want my opinion, A50 right now is more cop or vig worthy than lynch worthy.

[Volpe14]

Hi pisskop ~~

[Volpe14]

We've 2 days.

@NSG @Skitt @Wicked @Egix

Can we vote teacher instead of A50?

I'm not keen on lynching wooper today either.

I'm not on a50

It's my subtle way of implying that it's either A50/Wooper/Teacher today and I very much want teacher.

Therefore stop vanity voting bingle so close to deadline...?

I'm tired of this day phase already, I want flips to see how much in the right track I am.

[Volpe14]

Fuck it. Doctor.

Now can we advance the fucking game and laugh at how terrible volpe/nibs reads are?

(Mostly coming in during a free now that we are back in school and seeing I’m at L-1 and wanting to avoid the lol).

???

The fact that you claimed PR should change my read on you...?

Scum

always

would claim PR here? I think that's obvious and right now I'm drooling for your flip?

I won't keep pushing you in this setup though, it's gonna probably become very clear if you're lying later in massclaim.

For post-game credit, I do still think you're more likely scum than town.

UNVOTE:

[Volpe14]

It's my subtle way of implying that it's either A50/Wooper/Teacher today and I very much want teacher.

Therefore stop vanity voting bingle so close to deadline...?

I'm tired of this day phase already, I want flips to see how much in the right track I am.

calling it a "vanity vote" when his wagon is tied for second largest is odd

What the...NSG?

When I posted this he had 1 vote while the other ones had 4. I don't really know how it is right now but voting bingle at that stage was a vanity vote yes.

[Volpe14]

If it's between bingle v skitter I would rather vote bingle, but the fact that he is trying to 1v1 skitt from such an underdog position in this game is so..."????" as scum strategy?

I might reflect on this.

I'll policy town lean teacher for now too therefore I'll reconsider how people acted around his slot. I like more people that voted him with me than people that was town leaning/defending him by the way.

[Volpe14]

I was looking at this Vote count:

VC 1.16

teacher (4):

Volpe14, NorwegianboyEE, DrDolittle, Almost50

Almost50 (4):

Menalque, teacher, Bingle, Wooper

Wooper (3):

Egix96, northsidegal, Wickedestjr

Bingle (1):

skitter30

Not Voting:

Emperor flippyNips

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-18 19:33:45)

mod notes

• Emperor flippyNips has not responded to his prod within 24 hours. Replacing Emperor flippyNips. I will freeze the deadline if we reach the 2 days mark without a replacement.

[Volpe14]

I didn't notice?

If I remember right that post was a quick check-in while I was in a break from work to eat. I really don't think that many people switched to him by that time though, maybe 1 or max 2.

[Volpe14]

Actually, what you want to accomplish with this line of questioning NSG?

It's silly.

[Volpe14]

Actually, what you want to accomplish with this line of questioning NSG?

It's silly.

what line of questioning

the thing about "vanity voting"?

yeah...?

[Volpe14]

I think it is?

I don't even remember if I was completely caught up with the game in that post

maybe I hadn't read 2 or so pages yet

[Volpe14]

PK, were you Omo?

If he was, I correctly did town lean him twice...probably.

[Volpe14]

well in the first place i haven't asked you a single actual question in any of my posts on the subject. i gave my honest thoughts on something that i found notable which is something that i tend to do even without some specific goal in mind that i want to accomplish. then, you said something that was incorrect to me, and i responded to you pointing that out.

that's pretty much all i have to say on the matter? for now, i guess. i didn't really have any more specific thoughts with regards to the "vanity voting" thing before you made 2786, and i'm not sure i ever had a goal in mind other than "speak your thoughts" and "find the truth", as cliche and faux-righteous as that sounds, i guess.

Hmmm

ok?

I just thought you had more thought process behind it but I guess not.

[Volpe14]

Uhhh...

Is it bad I think that is the towniest post in teacher's ISO?

If I had to guess, he apparently seems to think that by game state there must be a mastermind or something in the towniest slots and old!me would be nodding his head here

vigorously

?

"

catching scum can't be easy

" - Me, developing my tin foil theories in the darkest places on my conscious.

We're probably ignoring him though yeah. I never caught scum with that kind of read.

Skitt isn't impossible but not something I would look at right now.

[Volpe14]

Part of the reason I didn't want to go for duck was softing, but the other one is that I can't see a logical scum motivation for some of his posts/actions.

I'm not sure which of Bingle or TW I would choose though.

Bingle recently 1v1 with skitt looked a tad bit townie?

[Volpe14]

I want to lynch Egix to be honest?

It's not a bad take to analyze that wagon if it flips either way

I think it's more likely scum than not if I policy town read teacher.

VOTE: Egix

p-edit:

you are that confident in your scum-read that you think EV potential-PR > EV egix-vt-town?

this.

[Volpe14]

when you say your first line, when in time are you referring to? like, when did you pick up on the softing and when did you have the thought of not seeing any scum motivation?

i'm not asking you to point me to softing, i'm asking for about how long you've thought to yourself to not lynch him regarding that stuff, i guess.

since the start of the game tbh?

I thought tw obtuse way of playing was either lazy!duck from either alignment or PR!duck but he already had fooled me once faking being in his PR meta therefore I wasn't as soft on him as I was in an old game.

It's not like I don't

see

scum motivation NSG, you can adress scum motivation to almost anything if you try it out.

I just don't know if duck would do the posts he did here as scum, I would expect him to be better at souding town?

honestly?

I'm just gonna feel bad if this is me repeating micro 840 by mislynching him d1 when I secretly feel fuzzy feelings for his play here.

honestly?

I just want to believe he's town and find scum elsewhere before needing to face his slot for real.

[Volpe14]

Also, same to volpe. In fact, I’d like volpes first.

He has considerable played up to his PR meta?

[Volpe14]

@teacher

I want to ignore you to be honest...

Teacher, there is an old game modded by espeonage where my sole reason to not go for TW/town lean the slot was because he was playing his PR meta perfectly (he seemed a bit more loose here).

I'm just bored of your semantic arguments.

[Volpe14]

sigh

I'll really need to compromise...?

[Volpe14]

I'm ok with sheeping NSG D1 but I want cakes later if Egix is scum.

VOTE: bingle

p-edit: you were being pretty townie in my opinion some pages ago drdo, right now not really but your past content is good enough for now.

[Volpe14]

I was re:reading this recent convo just to make sure I'm voting with my heart here but I hadn't seen this:

i eagerly await the next post you make subtly calling into question my critical thinking skills

I didn't mean it like that...

[Volpe14]

I've no idea what skitt's point is.

by the way, Nibbui now is the wizard. I just loved too much this current avi to not put it (I had been looking for something similar it's been at least 9 months!)

I would ask for a wizard version of this one but I don't want to trouble NSG more...

[Volpe14]

I think 1-shot doc confirms there's at least one other full doc although I can be wrong

therefore if no one else claims doctor later teacher is conftown??

[Volpe14]

go for wooper or go back to my good old PoE of Egix/Wicked?



I don't know how to feel about last night EoD tbh, particularly how fast A50's wagon was to disrupt wooper/bingle.

I might need to re:read a bit of D1

[Volpe14]

I would like more of Menalque/A50/Pisskop here

They're the most under the radar slots right now

[Volpe14]

Oh, for postgame credit if pisskop is scum I would guess he's either godfather or SK investigation immune. He sounded like trying to bait an investigative with that fabulous hammer

maybe he's just town trolling though

I think from most players that lolhammer would be town indicative, but for pisskop it's just NAI

[Volpe14]

me? Mister quickhammer? under what?

I don't mean in terms of attention, I meant more in terms of content

what are your reads kop?

[Volpe14]

are you going to sheep me then?

[Volpe14]

This game doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I still have too many town reads

Like I go back, and I think hmm Norgeboi and Egix are kind of scummy. They look like scum out of the Bingle wagon since I town-read wicked, but that makes no sense with the nsg kill.

Unless there's a deep wolf player that nsg is sus of, but her reads seem to be pretty generic other than the hot takes of egix and norgeboi

dude

NSG is Paragon and was being TR.

I don't think she would need to be in the right track to be killed off out of fear but ok

[Volpe14]

I think (

Volpe14,

a50) have

v mild scum equity

why

[Volpe14]

Drdol, I hope you have more than NKA analysis in the Paragon to low-key shade/change your mind on my slot when you were TR'ing me yesterday

[Volpe14]

I think 1-shot doc confirms there's at least one other full doc although I can be wrong

Long story short: You are wrong.

The setup rolling system for doctors:

Doctor Roles

D = Doctor

DD = Doctor + 1-Shot Doctor

DDD = 2 Doctors

DDDD = 2 Doctors + 1-Shot Doctor

DDDDD = 3 Doctors

Since we've a 1-shot doctor, there needs to have at least one full doc, because we either rolled "DD" or "DDDD". If someone else claims doctor I think teacher can be scum, but otherwise he's conftown.

[Volpe14]

This is a guilty btw

If teacher flips scum here I want 100% of the credits

but are you claiming doctor, investigative or just lolgambitting?

I can entertain you being investigative afraid of outing yesterday tbh but doc you wouldn't have lolclaimed VT

[Volpe14]

That also means there must be 3 mafia. Since Teacher being doctor means any setup with only 2 mafia isn't possible.

huh

I hadn't thought of that but I don't think you're always right here

now I looked again and it seems that since we know we ~probably~ have at least DD, and there's 7 letter rolls, we have at least 5 T's or less.

It means we at least either have Goon + Godfather + SK or 3 Mafia + The possibility of SK.

But yeah, if we assume no double NK means likely no SK, It's confirmed to be a 3-man mafia team.

SK or not though, it's confirmed for us to have at least 3 scum in the game. groupscum or not.

[Volpe14]

Did Wooper investigate Teacher and get a guilty?

idk

he didn't need to claim VT yesterday at all but still did, it doesn't make much sense for him being a PR

probably trolling/lolgambitting I guess

[Volpe14]

go wooper! go!

VOTE: teacher

[Volpe14]

Can’t we let Wooper confirm what he’s doing first?

No way?

GOGOGOG

[Volpe14]

Guy's, I'm taking bets for each side.

what side do you want to bet on norwe boi and snek-kop?

teacher might have less duels under his belt, but he's quite a skilled fighter.

wooper might look cute and fluffly, but rumors say he's

deadly

.

choose your champion

[Volpe14]

pre-ordering grandstand tickets right now grants you a 40% discount by the way

[Volpe14]

This is a guilty btw

You need to explain

as a man, he's asking teacher out for a duel with their sharp samurai blades.

there's no more honorable act than this, we should respect skitt.

Plz no lolhammers

you can't avoid sudden

death

in a duel

[Volpe14]

Since they're little kids, man dream of the day they prove their worthy in the battlefield or arena.

All we can do now is to root for our favorite champion.

I might want to root for teacher here actually

[Volpe14]

skitt why are you so afraid of hammer when the wagon has only 3 votes btw?

Unique lolhammer here is pisskop sometimes and even him wouldn't lolhammer here

[Volpe14]

From the left side, the micro/newbie queue champion! Teacheeeer,

The Semantic Reaper

, stands proud and dignified with his dangerous doctor tools, waiting for the right counterattack.

From the right side, the Supp Winner, Wooooper,

The Cute but Deadly Duck

, is more than

ready

to shoot with his favorite magnum .38 to make justice prevail.

Ladies and Gentlemans, Welcome to theeee C9++ Arenaaaa

[Volpe14]

I'm gonna let myself have a bit more fun before commenting for real what I think of that claim

Spicy in mafia games is always welcome :')

[Volpe14]

We should vote teacher btw

[Volpe14]

don't let teacher get to L-1 I'm not done with this game >:c

Yeah this

but there's space for one more vote here in teacher

L-2 looks sweet

[Volpe14]

oh wait, I think right now it's L-2 already

[Volpe14]

[Wooper, Pisskop, Volpe14, Norwegian]

I think it's L-2 yes

treacher, its soo roomy in here!

I know right??

[Volpe14]

Norwe you're my new top TR

[Volpe14]

He likes anime too which makes me incredibly fond of the slot tbh

[Volpe14]

Oh wait, I just noticed drdolittle ignored me asking why about the shade

sorry brothers, I've other justice wagoning to do now

VOTE: Drdollitle

[Volpe14]

Drdolittle select one of the few options:

1. Answer me

2. Answer me with a decent explanation

3. Get wagoned.

[Volpe14]

I watched an anime movie recently

Was it a Ghibi Studio movie?

Lots of non-anime fans watch their movies I've noticed

[Volpe14]

I would like for have the right to hammer a guilted teacher though if the need arises because I was the pioneer in that wagon

[Volpe14]

it was called Your Name and it was not Studio Ghibli tho I normally like Ghibli movies only. it was really cute.

Ah, I know the movie you're talking about.

Hmm, it's cute but I felt it was my least favorite movie from the author to be fair.

[Volpe14]

why hard town on volpe?

are you implying I don't deserve to be hard town read here?

[Volpe14]

pisskop what I would expect on yours read on me right now vs what I would expect wooper to read me as now is very different.

[Volpe14]

are you going to ignore my question duck?

[Volpe14]

Wooper I'll give you 5 minutes to answer why I wouldn't be a hard town read for you here or I'll properly explain why I strongly think you're bullshiting here and get you lynched

[Volpe14]

It's not being townread that's only important

it just seemed you were trying to test waters on my slot when Bingle and DDL already had dropped a bit their TR on me

it didn't make sense for you to imply doubt on my slot with your progression in D1 + how I've been playing

[Volpe14]

VOTE: wooper

I can be wrong, but I've re:read some convos here and I really think duck is scum now

more in a bit.

[Volpe14]

Skitt, I'm 89% confident that he is completely bullshit'ing here, buying time and fishing for info

and I want to prove it right now

I've gambit'ed along and against duck and right now I'm very confident that this is it.

This whole game makes sense if I consider duck scum.

[Volpe14]

He's not bidding anything in my pov. I'll explain.

[Volpe14]

First let's go back to teacher doctor claim:

Teacher claimed before even actually being put on L-1, and with a 1-shot doctor flipped, we confirm that there's at least one full doctor in the setup. This points to teacher likely being town unless someone else claims doctor.

Wooper is claiming Full Cop as far as I'm understanding.

Let's assume hypothetically town!Wooper and consider as fact that we've at least one full doc here too.

If we assume that, we've CC and DD

at the very least

, but that would mean 3 TTT (2 Goons + Roleblocker + SK) and I think we likely have no SK with N1 results, therefore we would need at least need one more letter, not two, but maybe three to remove the SK in the setup.

Three more letters would mean we've a 0 T's setup, which is really unlikely in my opinion, therefore it makes the more sense right now to think one more letter.

However, one more letter means we can't possibly have "DDDD", which is 2 doctors + 1-shot doctor, therefore math points

strongly

towards the fact there's only one doctor in this setup unless we've rolled 0 T's (0,7% of chances of that happening as far as I can calculate).

Occam's razor (99,3% of the times), just says that if Wooper is a full cop, there's absolutely another doctor here and teacher is really just scum.

If no one counterclaims teacher though, Wooper is full of bullshit.

If Wooper isn't a full cop, there's literally no merit to not sort this now. But I'll tell you what I think smart duck is doing here:

He is being obtuse about his claim here by not hard claiming 1-shot or full, and is fishing for info/reactions to see if there's "another" full cop or 1-shot cop here (if the claim is safe).

Notice for example this questioning and his own explanation for that:

why SL on Dr. D and why hard town on volpe?

I'm just asking the question, settle down.

Nor having you as his sole nonmech townread made me curious so I wanted to see his reasoning

at the exclusion of hard townreading any other slots.

I think wooper tried to fish if Norwe was a possibly 1-shot cop with a check on me for example.

Not only that but if things go wrong he can also back down here with a "it was for reactions :<", what might even make some people think it's towny of him since he would be *trying* to sort but more important than anything note that it's distracting from the trajetory that this day would have had (Wooper getting suspected since the day start).

It's like, a very sly trick to have better odds of surviving here, with no real drawbacks that I think scum!duck does here because he likes to gambit and I've personally seen it and gambitted along with him.

It doesn't even make sense for a cop!Wooper to have cooped teacher in his own progression:

don't touch n1 or ur stuppid:
skitter30

teacher

NorwegianboyEE
Volpe14 Nibbui
Almost50 ceejayvinoya
northsidegal Blatant Scum
DrDolittle

PR!Duck doesn't target someone that claimed PR in a C9++ setup when the setup schtick is to make fakeclaiming almost impossible for scum.

He also was thinking that teacher was on "the trajectory to town tell" and flaking on pushing their slot, therefore a cop there really doesn't make sense.

[Volpe14]

If he is bs'ing but town he should stop it right now and organically engage the thread instead of doing something like that.

if he's town gambitting, teacher isn't even worthy of faking a guilty on since he claimed PR. I think if he wanted to sort someone with "reactions", he would have said he had a guilty on A50, Wicked, Egix or something. Not teacher.

I feel he's buying time and getting info at the same time when if he backs down closer to deadline/when another wagon is getting heat, you're going to do exactly what you're doing now and say "well, ok".

Then yeah I want to cut this "let's resolve it later" bs right now.

[Volpe14]

It's exactly because everyone was buying the "let's resolve later" but not minding if he later backed down that I SR him now.

If he hadn't said this he would be getting heat on in this very moment as it's clear from the the day 2 first pages but now he has dodged it

[Volpe14]

If he later backs down he gets lynched

no if he backs down later in the day when someone else is getting heat on he isn't gonna lynched and this is why:

Not sure if he's bs'ing, and if he is i'm not sure that makes him scum

The more I think about it, the more I realize that it's doubtful a player like teacher claims when he's at L-2 with no intent in a setup where it's easy to be outed as a fakeclaim later. He might have hold it against his chest for a bit more of time until it was inevitable to claim.

[Volpe14]

Wooper if you're going to back down on teacher you'll back down right now.

You'll not wait until late day to back down on it. that's not flying with me here.

if you hard claim though I'm fine with giving you my vote today.

[Volpe14]

If you back down right now and start participating in the game again I might retract my SR on you, but it needs to be

now

.

[Volpe14]

I think the chances/odds are absurdly unlikely but if we really have 2 guilties already I'll laugh a lot in post-game.

[Volpe14]

Fwiw I think DDL guilty has better odds of being real

[Volpe14]

I wouldn't really be as surprised with scum!DDL after his posts today

>"I've too many town reads"

> Pulls me out of town tier to "has mild scum equity" randomly with A50

But ok, I'm listening to your explanation DDL.

[Volpe14]

Volpe do conditional probability on A50 wooper both telling the truth, which implies teacher is lying.

This has an astronomical small chance of occuring

I don't think that wooper is telling the truth

cop!wooper doesn't cop teacher here, he cops wicked/menalque/a50/kop

he's not the kind to try a hero cop check on someone that already claimed PR in a C9++ setup

I'm just considering that A50's guilty might be real on you tbh

bah

this is confusing

[Volpe14]

But A50 copping DRDO makes sense here since Drdol was being town read but honestly didn't seem a priority NK

it's like

a good cop check/does sense from a town!pov.

wooper copping teacher doesn't though.

[Volpe14]

ok I'm gonna read that wall

wait a bit

[Volpe14]

You two as scum have the most to gain from NSG dying because Nibs youre a universal town read and only really looked at by her

Fwiw if I was scum I woudn't NK NSG here because I would like the challenge of making her town read me in this case

I can even more or less proof that I enjoy clashing with strong players if you want with past scum games

but yeah, that *does* make sense, I just think it's a really flimsy reason to speculate NK when you don't even know team quantity/composition + NSG is a player able to obvtown fast therefore NK'ing her is always option even taking apart the reads thing

scum also like a lot to NK someone and sell a version of "why X was nightkilled" themselves therefore it raised my eyebrows

[Volpe14]

can u update your gladiator picture please

[Volpe14]

if it's town fakeclaiming this is really boring move btw

[Volpe14]

I'm a bit pumped up right now but it's because I think either one of the liars is scum or one of the guilties is real

[Volpe14]

@Volpe why the fuck would I suggest other TPRs check/vig a slot I intend to cop?

why wouldn't you check A50 in that case (he wasn't in your vig/cop list and was a better check if you don't mind PRs)

why you checked someone that had already hard PR claimed

why you didn't do the good cop play thing of town reading a bit a slot you want to check before EoD

[Volpe14]

Honestly I'm just bored of this

VOTE: DDL

[Volpe14]

VOTE: teacher

[Volpe14]

Wooper you aren't cop here because I'm cop.

VOTE: wooper

[Volpe14]

I don't care anymore I just want to lynch your slot now.

[Volpe14]

UNVOTE:

I"m not cop

I was just really confident that this was some of lolgambit from you as either alignment and wanted to defuse it in the spot

you don't cop teacher as town. don't ever try to argue that shit tbh, I'm confident enough that I know how you act as a PR and I was rolling eyes at this.

I would go along if you claimed a guilty on some slots that needed sorting/would make the game spicy for real but copping teacher when he claimed doctor in C9++ and with a 1-shot doc we're confirmed to have another doctor, just doesn't happen.

[Volpe14]

duck are you claiming doctor here or...?

mechanically teacher is conftown without another doc claim.

if it's a cc just say so already.

[Volpe14]

Now A50, is your guilty for real at least?

[Volpe14]

No, I am a cop with a guilty on teacher and you are THE WORST at trying to keep me alive.

VOTE: teacher

[Volpe14]

you're like
literally incorrect
you're so completely incorrect and so ott confident that I'm not trueclaiming that if you weren't completely wrong I'd be convinced it's tmi

do you really think that scum!me is idiot enough to act like this if someone ever fakeclaimed?

I'm not great as scum but don't scrutinize my play that much.

if you were town fakeclaiming the big brain idea would be to "lol look at people acting like they know it's a fakeclaim".

Do you

really

think I wouldn't get at least that much?

[Volpe14]

I literally got scum team in ircher marathon with a gambit

I wouldn't fall for such a boring gambit like that tw, you'll need to excuse me on that

[Volpe14]

ah the guilty was really fake in that case and you just did everything I said you would do

ok

VOTE: wooper

[Volpe14]

yeah my read is very TMI'ish when we are confirmed to have doctor with a 1-shot doctor flipped and teacher claimed at l-2 + you claimed this bs guilty when you were getting heat on

[Volpe14]

wooper this was really some boring play

I expected better

[Volpe14]

like

your explanation doesn't even make sense if you think a second about it

why would I act as if your guilty is fake but entertain A50 guilty being true unless you think DDL/me is a team?

[Volpe14]

You're saying that silly scum!me wouldn't be able to see through fakeclaim guilty gambit but at the same time I gave the appropriate response to A50's guilty?

It doesn't add up - at all

[Volpe14]

unless you think me/drdol is a team

do you think that?

[Volpe14]

i think you slipped up responding to my gambit. by the time a50's came around you were wayyyyyy too far down the path to turn around on your response to mine.

sure

[Volpe14]

wooper you knew your slot was probably getting lynched today so you made this silly plan, I correctly called you out fully knowing you would try flipping on me and you're doing exactly what I said you would do here

I genuinely want some praising in my ability to predict scum!you here in post-game

[Volpe14]

If someone didn't believe your **guilty** you would just back down later when someone else had been wagoned

if someone didn't believe it you would try flipping at them like "you're being TMI!!!"

it's really really boring

[Volpe14]

I know your slot wasn't surviving for much but you could have tried to do something flashier

[Volpe14]

f you were town watching this fakeclaim unfold and seeing me insist on teacher not being lolhammered, having caught him via a gambit in the past, i think you realise it's optimal to sit back and let it happen

I thought this was scum motivated from the start and you would either do what you're doing to me or if no one called you out you would back down later and people be "hmmm ok that doesn't make him scum" while you dodged the day 2 heat you should be getting

that's why I called it out

[Volpe14]

I know your slot wasn't surviving for much but you could have tried to do something flashier

which tells you
1) this hasn't been a survivalistic claim, or
2) i am bad at mafia


i'll leave it w you to think through; you're making conclusions you want to make.

STOP ACTING LIKE THIS WAS A CLAIM

If it was a claim you would be getting lynched now, you aren't and it's because you were in the grey area where you can still can it *reaction testing* later

if you actually had full claimed on the spot I wouldn't have doubted you, but because you were trying to be slimy about it I knew it was bs and right now confirming that it's more likely from scum you than town you

[Volpe14]

you must have him as pretty hardcore locktown if you didn't see ANY value in waiting for his reaction before calling it out

I think 1-shot doc confirms there's at least one other full doc although I can be wrong

therefore if no one else claims doctor later teacher is conftown??

If no one claims doctor teacher is conftown

if someone claims he is almost guilty levels

no one even showed a reaction as if they were doctor therefore he's very probably conftown.

It's not "locktown" as in a

read

, it's

mechanically

town.

[Volpe14]

What's the point of ducky fake-claiming here as scum exactly

skitt did you even read my posts about him

I really think you didn't

[Volpe14]

Yeah.

[Volpe14]

Wait why arent i scum for thinking that you were faking @tw?

I'm an easier target but we're still lynching him btw

[Volpe14]

i actually kinda didn't register teacher was literally mechanically sortable after the nsg flip rip me

I talked about it.

Not only that but in my number post calling you out I also said about it.

how did it not register to you?

[Volpe14]

Then you ignored my early posting and probably only skimmed my case on why you were lying but still is calling TMI?

Do you have anything else to try to convince me you're town here or I can just proceed to power lynch you?

[Volpe14]

Now A50, full/hard claim that guilty on Drdol.

if you're lying back down on it or I'm 100% getting you lynched too

If it's really a guilty we prob already have 2/3 scum

[Volpe14]

Then you ignored my early posting and probably only skimmed my case on why you were lying but still is calling TMI?

Do you have anything else to try to convince me you're town here or I can just proceed to power lynch you?

I wasn't comfortable with you so I decided to ruin your day.

I don't really care if I'm lynched or not I'd just prefer it wasn't lategame because low effort is my jam

have any spicy reads before getting lynched if you're town?

I feel the emotion in the post but we're probably never not lynching you here after this, I think you're just defeated scum rn but keep talking

[Volpe14]

I'm really sorry you rolled scum here duck

I was looking forward to gamesolving with you

[Volpe14]

Ty but I still need to hear about A50 guilty on you Drdol

[Volpe14]

sadly my efforts to seriously claim it were v much in vain
stupid volpe stopped it from working

[Volpe14]

who wants to play cards while we wait A50?

I'm particularly lucky on blackjack

[Volpe14]

poker???

[Volpe14]

maybe rock-papers-scissors is a better idea tbh

[Volpe14]

rock but you can't say paper

[Volpe14]

ok let's try again drdol

[Volpe14]

me first

[Volpe14]

rock but you can't say neither paper or rock and you absolutely should say scissors

[Volpe14]

goddam you ninja'ed me ;/

[Volpe14]

drdol you really live up to the name of the fastest shinobi this plain village has ever seen

[Volpe14]

anyhow i want you think think about my a50 scumcase, based on wooper and teacher

I think that if A50 retracts his guilty on you we can think about him later but we're absolutely lynching wooper today since I don't trust any of you to do that later if I'm not here

[Volpe14]

if there's no real guilty today, wooper is getting lynched today. That's just how this day is going to be played out.

It's up to you how much awful I need to be to make it happen.

If A50 guilty is real we're lynching you today and I might or not try to reconsider tw's slot because I don't think you likely would defend a buddy right now although I'm not keen on forgetting how awful wooper is here just because of an associative like that.

[Volpe14]

I'm gonna sleep and see if later anything new pops up.

I'm very probably not changing my opinion here though.

[Volpe14]

I give 0 quacks about what you think when I'm this confident

I'm just waiting A50's reply

[Volpe14]

Ok

I'm gonna sleep

work tomorrow

and if I don't feel the need to hibernate since I'm going to bed really late today, I'm going to come here and we're flipping wooper.

I would rather like people already start pilling votes on him tbh

[Volpe14]

You

shouldn't

doubt the lengths of which I'm willing to go for this lynch today.

[Volpe14]

You're probably gonna be grateful to me in EoD just like people would be if in mini normal colors I strongarmed the two scum I had pegged and was 1v1'ing too

[Volpe14]

bye

[Volpe14]

prod dodge

not back until near the weekend I think

[Volpe14]

For what it's worth I lightly skimmed those recents pages + a bit of the convo to mull over while I'm away of the thread, and the unique thing I'm conflicted on wooper is how he is acting more like a sobbing puppy that got his ice cream stolen by a bully than a petulant mischiever that got his little schemes suddenly cut.

I expected scum!him egging/resisting me a bit more here instead of going to badmouth me in a corner

I'm not sure if it's not a pocket attempt though, given he also started "town reading" me again.

[Volpe14]

Bah

Honestly I hate this game but I hate almost all mafia games while I'm solving them anyway

It's only fun to look back when everything is done

[Volpe14]

No I don't know what you're talking about drdol I would happily flip Egix slot for sure doesn't matter what NSG said there

The slots makes me raise eyebrows with almost every single post

[Volpe14]

I think you're being pretty cheeky if that's the case wooper

[Volpe14]

but maybe that's not the reason and I'm misunderstanding therefore I'll just stop talking for now

[Volpe14]

For what it's worth NSG has way better records of scum hunting for me but that doesn't mean there isn't times when she's wrong

In Picketypickety I started SR'ing mutant in page 8 or so of the game and until day 2 everyone else was "no way, mutant is locktown", while only me being "nop he isn't", including NSG. Later I changed my mind because of group pressure but there you go.

NSG is a very talented scum hunter but I don't think you should balance the weight of the level of disengagement/scuminess Egix has here only with a d1/small-sample-size meta read.

If it was someone that NSG had more experience reading I would be fine with sheeping it but she doesn't have that much experience with Egix, and when Egix was scum against me/NSG in the most recent Hope One More Plus if I remember right we both incorrectly read him in D1

[Volpe14]

At best I would say putting Egix at null

He's very clearly not even reading the thread since even wooper already understood that teacher is mechanically solvable but is still saying "no guilty but scum".

He's pedaling bs although that doesn't come exclusively from scum. Egix is more or less lazy enough to do that as town I would say.

Still scummy though.

[Volpe14]

Menalque I don't like how you're saying that egix isn't scummy because for most people that doesn't make sense

Anyway I'll dive deeper in that later, I gotta go sleep now

[Volpe14]

Like, I feel like the cycle isnt being driven by real life, I think it is forced absences

Thought this was worth talking about:

Below is a post from the dead thread, where I realize that giving time to the thread sometimes it's one hell of a scum hunting technice (I'm fairly confident that I would have got 2 scum right instead of only one in normal 2075 if I stopped engaging the thread for every little thing, and only bringing it up later).

Observatio: You're not completely wrong but you're definitely wrong at the same time right now. There are times when I read some posts and keep quiet about it yes, but I'm currently in the process of moving + for some reasons I had to switch jobs and this one really is far more tiring since it spends quite a bit of physical/mental energy. I'm genuinely tired and have more energy/time for mafia in weekends (I'm hyper-active in weekends?)

the most games i play

the more i realize that engaging players are kind not really productive lots of the time imo

if instead of engaging sky about her scummy posturing without voting, i had simply turned a blind eye until that trait had showed up enough for me to get a solid wolf read on her, maybe this could have been different, because if she had came to the thread a second time, but not voted anyone and kept posturing about monstosh, she would of course be the highest equity partner and getting insta-lynched today.

however, since i clearly said "hey, vote someone", she slipped to the townish block again, and we forgot the fact that she was posturing about monstosh wagon even if for only a bit of time.

i don't know. i feel like engaging players and calling them out for scummy actions is the worst kind of thing you can do if it's premature. you need to give space for them to be scummy enough for a lynch instead of calling them out, because if you appoint what they are doing wrong to them, they are simply going to correct it (example also being monstosh only beginning to "gamesolve" when urap called him out for it, monstosh would have a way easier lynch and more solid wolf read if we had let him implode himself with his mistakes).

i definitely feel that engaging players to explain to them your wolf read on them is one of those "common sense" parts of town play that are kind of...wrong?

of course you need to engage them some time during the day, but you need to give them time to make mistakes i guess.

i went too hungry for the honey, i need to learn how to lurk more

.

[Volpe14]

For what it's worth, I was doing the same thing here and trying to get more reactions from everyone first instead of instantly engaging wooper too much

I'm gonna let myself have a bit more fun before commenting for real what I think of that claim

Spicy in mafia games is always welcome :')

I began to get more confident on scum leaning him because of the reaction after he asked Nor why I was close to the "mechanical town" players though. From that point on he scummed it up more and more until coming to the current state of sobbing too much I stole his ice cream (which isn't a reaction I would likely expect from scum!him to be honest).

By the way, after Team Mafia I'm going to retire again and start modding.

Anyone has any ideas they would like to see implemented in a theme setup?

[Volpe14]

V/LA until weekend

[Volpe14]

I'm going to stop being lazy and try to solve this for real when I get some time.

[Volpe14]

I'm planning some Hope One More Plus D2-Solving where I PoE'ed all scum in the lynch pool

After I get confident on my reads again though I don't want pussy footing in "let's use all of the deadline, it's too soon for a lynch" by the way.

I try convince you guys on my reads, we wagon, we lynch, we win.

That's how I want this to develop. I can't be bothered to wait for weeks for flips when I get my head back in this game.

[Volpe14]

The current topic seems like something we already talked over and it's being brought up again

like, not interesting is happening anymore here as far as I can see

We've already 154 pages in the game. It's a 13p game, maybe it's time to stop talking and begin to re:read the game/look back on it. I feel it's already larger than some entire 13p games, especially Day 1.


150 pages is enough to have a good solve.

[Volpe14]

*^says the person with the highest postcount in the game who is singlehandedlg responsible for 25 of those pages.

I already stopped talking fairly a good bit.

Also when I was talking I was always pushing the game to have more readable content than this.

The recent pages I've skimmed are some seriously

not

hot game content. It doesn't feel like the game is advancing or going into a direction anymore.

People aren't even caught up in mechanical or claims. For god sake.

[Volpe14]

Got told that I'll probably have monday off.

Hype for my re:read/rework solve??

[Volpe14]

Fwiw if you're playing the reputation game with NSG read on Egix I'll play reputation fame in my PoEs too

In my recent games I haven't been much wrong in my PoEs as far as I remember

I'll even quote it later

Then...seriously consider sheeping me pretty please??

Thank you?

[Volpe14]

@Menalque I'm just a jumbled mess of feelings at this moment.

I could answer some consensus SRs slots but I would rather first get my clean and start from 0 again.

I did that in Hope One More Plus for example and the result was

excellent

. I got a very clear view of the game.

[Volpe14]

clean my head*

[Volpe14]

In post 3333, Volpe14 wrote:
do you really think that scum!me is idiot enough to act like this if someone ever fakeclaimed?

Can you explain what you meant by this?

No I can't tbh

come back again when it's actually something worthy replying to, no offense

I thought you would forget this but the fact that you remembered it's positive

it's not a question that will help in anything to solve the game though so just stop making them ty

[Volpe14]

It's also like

really obvious what I meant by that therefore I can't understand what you meant by that

wicked if you're town have you ever considered sheeping me??

Get that A50 hard town read out of there too, at maximum he's null although in my rework I can find reasons to TR or SR his slot

[Volpe14]

Oh, Norwe is pretty town too Wicked, I can engage you on that, it's something worthy talking about

[Volpe14]

Actually If you want to engage me here Wicked, let's talk about town!Norwegian and why I think A50 doesn't deserve such a hard TR here imo

[Volpe14]

I can like, maybe accept a weak town lean on A50 here tbh but so high like that no

[Volpe14]

Cop.

N1 teacher

N2 Wooper

Both clears.

[Volpe14]

I want Egix today so hard you've no idea.

[Volpe14]

Egix, claim.

[Volpe14]

If I was faking cop I would claim a guilty, not clears skitt.

[Volpe14]

No more one claims yet.

Egix, claim.

[Volpe14]

No more one claims yet.

Egix, claim.

Doctor

ok

let's see if no one cc because I really think you might be scum

[Volpe14]

Sigh, I’m vig, A50 was my shot

Skitt scum

VOTE: skitt

Hm

this will be a long day

[Volpe14]

Why did you make those checks volpe?

I think I was pretty clear on D1 that I thought scum always claimed doctor here and that's why I checked teacher

If you notice in my numbers case teacher isn't completely mechanic solvable at all if we didn't have a full cop, that was my soft

Wooper seemed pretty fishy about cops and you guys hammered pisskop before I said anything therefore I thought I would check wooper for my sanity

That's why I claimed cop/unclaimed it anyway when I realized that didn't make duck 100% scum

I'm pretty emotional tbh..

[Volpe14]

I only wrote that Volpe "claims" to clear him.

Are you saying you don't believe me when you had me as top town yesterday?

[Volpe14]

I think that skitt is the one most likely telling the truth to be fair but not killing the doctor while RB'ing him since we're guaranteed to have a RB here for afterwards claim town credit is actually in your scum range skitt?

[Volpe14]

Skitt has been overall townier than Mena fwiw

p-edit: because you would know that Egix is doc and would able to claim that you wouldn't kill teach?

I'm not really suspecting you, I lynch Mena over you here but you're not being honest imo

[Volpe14]

actually that makes sense skitt

[Volpe14]

yeah I had not thought that teacher would later be CC'ed here and mislynched

[Volpe14]

Yeah like I said I’m not really sure why you made the teacher kill

It’s weird and I’ll think about it

lol

[Volpe14]

Skitt has been overall townier than Mena fwiw

I think this is where we split paths because i'm honestly quite open to lynching Skitter over Menalque. Like i want more discussion, WAY more discussion before i place my vote. But i'm not entirely sold on town!Skitter.

I don't know what to say

the 1v1 that happened here very strongly points to scum!mena imo

I think I'm waiting the rest of the claims that are probably gonna be VT and voting Mena here?

[Volpe14]

Oh wait, it's MyLo

I had forgot that

[Volpe14]

There has to be 1 scum between them so we should definitely be lynching in Mena/Skitter today. But let's not make hasty conclusions until we know for sure which one is the scum.

yeah I forgot that if we mislynch here we lose

[Volpe14]

I think he's suggesting no-lynch to resolve the claims.

[Volpe14]

Hey guys, I’ve got family visiting right now but I found some time to quickly check in here and skim through everything.

I’m a full shot cop.
N1: teacher inno
N2: Wooper guilty

Vote: Wooper

Scum team
Wooper, Volpe + skitter/Menalque


I’ll try to find some more time for posting tonight. Please don’t do anything hasty before then.

VOTE: Wicked

scum probably realized they were in auto-lose here and came up with this

[Volpe14]

If you guys ever lynch me or wooper before Wicked here I'll forever hunt you in post-game tbh

I'm like

just way more transparently town here

[Volpe14]

Cop.

N1 teacher

N2 Wooper

Both clears.

Why the fuck did you target teacher if he was mech clearab-- OH LMFAO

ok this is a very likely claim

He wasn't cleared at all if there wasn't full cop

read the case again?

that was like...my smart crumb.

Also:

Scum always would claim PR here? I think that's obvious and right now I'm drooling for your flip?

[Volpe14]

Like, there couldn't be likely two docs + 1 shot (DDD) imo because I already had 2 letters

otherwise it could.

[Volpe14]

/shrug

I honestly don't know what to make of this mess other than wicked is confscum from my pov

[Volpe14]

I'M STILL CATCHIN UP
I told you guys I'm a multitasking doctor cop smh

I think you still can be gf but I'll treat you as town until last scum standing so can we make peace and meme together again?

[Volpe14]

unless you assume volpe is scum

lol

/shrug about those vig claims

I think skitt not killing egix is 100% possible but teacher NK'ing teacher here...

not really...

[Volpe14]

I think she meant you can be godfather because we prob have one here by this point

[Volpe14]

still find it mind blowing you're struggling so much to treat me as cleared when I literally am unless you assume volpe is scum

Do gf's not exist in your world or

eh not really. fuck em

my stomach is hurting.

[Volpe14]

I'm genuinely laughing here because I've no idea of what is happening here

like, I thought I had finally got a hand in the game with the flips but now I'm looking at my screen and getting swallowed by the rabbit hole

[Volpe14]

I thought Egix was scum tbh

[Volpe14]

I thought Egix was scum tbh

After I got wooper clear ^

I thought wooper was more scummy than egix at first