Open 768: C9++ [GAME OVER]

[Volpe14]

Maybe she's not Paragon for nothing...

I really don't search for crumbs unless I'm scum tbh

[Volpe14]

I have a mech guilty I think

ok..?

everyone claimed, can you explain?

[Volpe14]

I think we're almost in auto-clear?

Or rather, we're pretty good as long we lynch the right people here

[Volpe14]

I can guarantee we don't lose today at least

[Volpe14]

ok since I'm prob gonna NK'ed today and already know the scum today I'll just meme ty

[Volpe14]

If we assume Wicked is scum then who leaves his remaining 2 scum teammates?

idk

maybe it's egoistic but like, I'm a bit lazy rn to try solving a game where I'll get NK tonight

I thought I would live more here to be fair

I'll try for /postgame credits but mostly superficial guess?

[Volpe14]

@Volpe14
I mean... you thought you would get NK'd on night 1 but you're still alive. Not sure why you're giving up.

I...thought?

I think I said that if skitt was scum as a possibility, I think town!skit would be killed before me, and when NSG replaced I also thought that if town she would die first

But now I've the cop claim so /shrug

we either mislynch today and lose

or

we lynch wicked and I get NK'ed I think?

I can be wrong/not thinking about it enough but that's prob what happens here

[Volpe14]

I'd love to be scum with volpe again but we aren't this smooth

one word

one game

one fond moment:

arsonists

[Volpe14]

I'm staring at drdol wall and I'm not sure I can process it rn

but I'll try

[Volpe14]

That is we are in DDCCV, TTTT

ok I think you might be last scum trying to distort things.

DDCCV is five letters, there is 7

therefore it means TT which is = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

DDCCVVV is exactly seven letters, which means 0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

that seems like some real distortion?

[Volpe14]

lol?

[Volpe14]

hadn't you checked the setup yesterday when I made the case that doctor list didn't work like vig list?

didn't you notice there?

[Volpe14]

Gun to my head Wicked + Drdol but /shrug

can be a genuine mistake

[Volpe14]

I saw one of your assumptions was that there was no godfather

at this point it's confirmed to have godfather

drdol are you scum desperate here?

like, the possibly lynches today I would imagine are egix and wooper

egix is doc, wooper has a clear

ok there's gf but wooper isn't being touched until last scum standing

so...I think scum pushes exactly what you're trying to push here

[Volpe14]

You were saying your wtf deduction pointed to me being scum?

[Volpe14]

No I can't understand why you want to assume no gf here

[Volpe14]

No like, I can understand you confusing 9 letters instead of 7

but it gave me impression that even after realizing you're still pushing no gf

you aren't doing that in this case?

[Volpe14]

do you understand the part skitter has to be town or sk

I think yes

[Volpe14]

no i agree with you that there has to be gf with 7 rolls?

/dumb me

sorry, I'm a bit sleep deprived here

I really should sleep soon

[Volpe14]

Basically this I think in regards to mechanics:

If town!Menalque, SK!Skitt.

if scum!Menalque, town!Skitt.

maybe town!Menalque, town!Skitt.

[Volpe14]

I can be wrong though /shrug

I'm pretty lazy right now

[Volpe14]

i think its just wooper. his flip (gf or not) determines whether volpe is scum

lol?

we're not lynching wooper today or before we get to last standing scum?

he's only scum if GF, first we look elsewhere.

[Volpe14]

you missed SK! skitt Scum!Menalque

y

I think Skitt is more or less confirmed to be town or SK here in that case?

Not sure

[Volpe14]

volpe from you pov, there is no scum on pisskop at at most one (reluctant) scum [ddl] on jingle?

like

first we lynch wicked

you sort that after

I meme in dead thread

[Volpe14]

wtf drdol

[Volpe14]

you can't be talking seriously about lynching wooper here.

that's like

a scum claim.

[Volpe14]

Ok I'm starting to think this is SK!Skitt and scum!Drdol

[Volpe14]

scum!Skitt doesn't really make sense here but SK!Skitt does with that "let's lynch wooper?"

[Volpe14]

You're clearly going to the suboptimal town thing to do here and that has literally nothing to do with the teacher NK that I would very very likely guess that is from mafia although not 100% sure

[Volpe14]

spicy take
excessive stubbornness is a scumtell for both skitter and volpe

are you serious...?

like

literally serious here?

[Volpe14]

If we mislynch here we lose.

I don't think I'm ready to beat the game in wooper being GF?

[Volpe14]

We lynch Wicked...?

[Volpe14]

I mean, I can understand from your pov that it's not guaranteed to hit scum

But between Wicked/Me, who do you think is most likely to be scum here?

[Volpe14]

I'm weirded out by that post to be fair but /shrug

[Volpe14]

We don't lynch wooper here imo.

[Volpe14]

Actually we don't lynch wooper here at all?

[Volpe14]

It's not about him being scummy

If you've a cop clear, even with the possibility of GF, good play says you lynch elsewhere before lynching the clear?

[Volpe14]

Volpe you seem really weirdly insistent on not lynching wooper? When functionally the choice is between (you/wooper, wicked) so it doesn’t really matter which one of you we flip if we go that route bc I don’t really see how one of you is scum without the other being scum here

If I consider it from a outsider pov, this is the situation:

scum!wooper is godfather and I've a clear on him but it's meaningless

town!wooper/real clear

He theoretically can be scum while I'm town/he can be town while I'm scum

The possibility of we both being scum from an outsider pov should be the lowest because it's not a play we make here too tbh, we aren't that smooth

[Volpe14]

like

I'm sorry guys I understand what you're saying but I'm not ignoring confscum wicked here to go for wooper and risk loosing the game

[Volpe14]

i think you and wooper are pretty smooth

drdol I'm beginning to get confident you're scum

[Volpe14]

do we assume that one of the cop claims is true at this point ?

I don't mind you assuming I can be lying as long as we solve wicked first tbh

[Volpe14]

I think I've been transparently more town than him and I feel deserving of that

[Volpe14]

skitt because if it's town!Menalque chances that it's sk!Skitt here are considerably high

[Volpe14]

shooting drdol here is pretty great though yes

[Volpe14]

No skitt

Vigs don't work the way you're thinking they work

1-shot vig + full vig is VVV

[Volpe14]

whose my partner volpe?

Not wooper for sure.

[Volpe14]

Probably either [Drdol, Nor, Wicked] or [Drdol, Mena, Wicked]

I TR Nor therefore I think it's the last

Assuming you're scum though

[Volpe14]

Drdol I'm starting to think regardless of team the plan here was to mislynch wooper and now with egix conftown you've no one else to turn into if not try to sell the reasoning wooper is a good lynch today even though there's plenty of scum out of him even if he was to be GF.

[Volpe14]

why cant i be scum with wooper? association or just by virtue of you dont think wooper is scum

why would you be hard fighting against me here if you're wooper buddy?

it doesn't make sense

I used to but now I strictly policy myself on no tin foil theories because they don't happen very often

[Volpe14]

like

I'm not denying that necessarily

but why wooper today instead of lynching the other two scum if he is

I don't understand that pov, especially coming from a mechanical player like you

Jingle would be rolling in the ground of you guys suggesting that

[Volpe14]

I think scum would rb mena here and shoot egix = win the game here?

[Volpe14]

Therefore the best plan is to have some sense and not lynch wooper?

[Volpe14]

Actually if skitt is SK here and shoots Wicked we might not be losing but believing in sk!skitt is a riskier than you know..

[Volpe14]

Volpe do you have any thoughts on my simple VCA? Or do you think its meaningless

Right now I just want to lynch what is confscum from my pov and look around for his partner?

[Volpe14]

I don't particulaly rely on VCA to be fair but like, I can explain by you being scum the scum in bingle wagon?

[Volpe14]

Maybe not?

Maybe sk!skitter?

[Volpe14]

like wooper can be scum

but why now

[Volpe14]

It really doesn't make sense to me here begin by lynching his slot at all

[Volpe14]

whos wicked's partner and what's the chance you place on each one of them

[drdol, wicked, norwe, wooper] any combination of this?

I think wooper is the least likely

not straight impossible but the least likely if it's what you want me to say

[Volpe14]

oh wait there's mena in the wicked partners too

[Volpe14]

It's not because you can be sk skitt

[Volpe14]

We can do that plan to be honest, I think sorting Menalque right now by that is a pretty good plan

[Volpe14]

I think in every theory though from anyone pov

Egix is conftown

There's exactly 0 arguing in that.

Just in case scum gets in despair here and tries to pedal some kind of bs here.

[Volpe14]

Mena shoots in skitt?

if mena is town the probability that skitt is sk is considerably high

[Volpe14]

thats a very very very very scum suggestion volpe

?

if it's not skitt, it's you

[Volpe14]

Why is skitt a scum suggestion?

[Volpe14]

If mena is town here skitt most of the time is sk and should die

[Volpe14]

We're like

lynching wicked

and having mena shoot skitt

what could go wrong..?

[Volpe14]

Mena is almost never town here anyway tbh

like

math proves that

[Volpe14]

as long as we assume skitt town though

if we assume sk!skitt, the chances are decent

that's why the "shoot"?

[Volpe14]

Alternatively we could lynch mena in that case.

[Volpe14]

But I still would rather have wicked confscum

[Volpe14]

I believe wicked over volpe rn, i think

why?

If wooper is godfather good, but we risk losing the game here and I can't believe that you would rather believe wicked instead of me that has been towny this entire game?

like, I think you're either getting confbiased or you might be some kind of scum tbh

[Volpe14]

I've been trying to solve/active/push gamestate the whole game

Wicked like

does a wolfy pop-in with self-meta like wooper said when he has only been lurking this game out

How the hell are we getting in a world you guys trust wicked more than me?

I genuinely can't understand.

About me being active even as a cop, that's one of the reasons that sometimes I lurked a bit more, but I don't really tone down in the game for being a PR. I've not rolled PR many times but for example in my newbie game (Jailkeeper), I even claimed it because I thought I had caught scum that everyone was town reading (I was wrong).

This doesn't deviate from my PR meta at all if that's what you are doubting. I think I even said in MD somewhere that I dislike playing down my town game because of being a PR.

[Volpe14]

We're lynching Wicked today.

ffs.

[Volpe14]

I don't like how Wicked has been toned down until Mylo, where he hits us with wallposts. So i might just vote Wicked. I'm still not 100% sure about this, but i think scum!Volpe deserves winning much more if she's mafia than Wicked does. So i sincerely hope it's not a mistake but i'm trusting Volpe over Wicked's claim.

the way to go!

[Volpe14]

I'm explicitly not TR'ing skitt anymore.

[Volpe14]

lol

that's like

akin to a scumclaim imo

you're clearly doing the town suboptimal thing here and turned on me when I said that mena should vig you

[Volpe14]

can someone ctrl+f "wooper" in skitter's iso and check whether I've been clearly mislynch positioned? at a super holistic level I feel like I have but w/e this read progression on volpe smells like opportunism

i'm probably voting you today @ducky

^ before my cop claim

She was also trusting me more than wicked until I said "Mena should vig skitt"

[Volpe14]

Mechanical tl;dr here for everyone:

skitt is unlikely mafia if we consider teacher was nk'ed by mafia because she knew that egix was the doctor therefore he would get counterclaimed today

skitt can completely be sk and turned against me when I said mena should vig her even though she said mena was likely lying

there you go?

[Volpe14]

But fwiw it's a 3-man team and they could haven't completely believe doctor!egix, overruled skitt and edged on the possibility that if teacher flipped no doc, it would almost conftown skitt, and claiming 1-shot vig here she would either mislynch some conflicting claim or lynch ducky.

[Volpe14]

But I think she's more likely sk idk

I'm just confident that she isn't town

[Volpe14]

here is the hot take:

She was siding with me until I said mena should shoot her

lololololo?

[Volpe14]

given wicked held his cards the played them so hard my instinct says there's 3 groupscum :<

I'm lazy to explain but like, it's confirmed to have 3 groupscum yes

[Volpe14]

In Premiere

Based in real facts,

The true face of lady skitt:

[Volpe14]

We're still lynching wicked though because sk is a later worry

[Volpe14]

[Volpe14]

To be fair I think it can be just town!skitt tunneled/confbiased

I really have a clear on wooper skitt. It's suboptimal to begin by there.

[Volpe14]

[Volpe14]

We're not really doing anything other than meme a bit...

[Volpe14]

Sure.

[Volpe14]

You're missing the memes mena boi.

the memes.

[Volpe14]

V/LA during next week

expect way less activity.

[Volpe14]

I'm considering that wooper might be scum?

But like I said

for the hundred or so time

You don't lynch a clear before getting at least another one scum, especially when I've confscum as long you consider me town.

[Volpe14]

If wooper is scum he's godfather

There's no reason to lynch him today when you've 2 other scum in a restrict pool if you consider Norwe town.

[Volpe14]

Why are you trying to sell me as "not considering wooper scum at all?"

Considering him scum is different than being ok with a lynch on him today specifically.

[Volpe14]

Ok, in hindsight I might have been a bit unreasonable lately

But there's no reason to go for wooper first here...

[Volpe14]

Too sleepy to play mafia right now

prod dodge

[Volpe14]

anyone read my points about what he's doing today?

I did read but I'm not sure it matters from my pov since...you know...

[Volpe14]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81030

Fresh scum meta for the love of my life volpe, hot off the press

I improved a bit but I think I played this game considerably different than there

I was a lot more...

reasonable

there

I only broke reasonable mode when I was against OS AtE and it was mostly because I genuinely got upset at him

like, I don't think scum!me ever goes for the kind of argument I did against teacher

In hindsight/post-flip/check I knew I was confbiased but at the time I thought it was some major scum read or something

[Volpe14]

scum!me likes to keep the reasonable person act most of the time @skitt

I think wicked made the CC because his team is deadlocked rn

Egix had claimed doctor

I had claimed a clear on wooper

Nor was really TR

The slots I would look at today would be Wicked, you, Drdol and Menalque.

Exactly what I think is more or less the team right now

[Volpe14]

The unique way for a scum team like that to win here is CC claim me and I don't think it's hard to understand that to be fair...

Like, who a scum team like that would mislynch here assuming wooper town?

There's no one left.

[Volpe14]

The reason I don't think wooper/Wicked is likely and you shouldn't either is because if wooper is scum, he's GF, and you don't fake a guilty on GF when in the flip you're outted too

see what I'm talking about?

[Volpe14]

Out of all the players in your potential scum pool, wicked was the least townread

Why is he the person to cc?

Drdol had already softed VT/wasn't a believable cop claim as far as I know, and you/mena had already claimed

Wicked had the cop joke thing apparently therefore they/you might have thought he was a better cop

mo offense but why don't you think a little before asking me something this simple to be fair?

[Volpe14]

skitt, a scum team of wicked/drdol/menalque/you always begins to lose here today with those claims/clears

what part of that isn't clear?

[Volpe14]

Fwiw right now I think the townie/SK is more likely you now

Pretty sure Mena tried to CC you too

it just didn't go well?

therefore they resorted to cop claim

I don't think this game is easy but I don't think there's any reason for example to keep entertaining wooper scum here for the reasons I explained above

Norwe is just a really strong TR because some of his posts seems to be incredibly hard to fake from a pov of knowing everyone alignment

[Volpe14]

I"m not TR'ing you.

Mena claims just looks worse both from the claim itself just as well by mathematics

[Volpe14]

If it was play based only I would always lynch your slot here skitt

I think you've been literally playing to mafia win con here in this day phase

[Volpe14]

I'm not discard'ing the possibility of you being SK though

To be fair, I think you've more chances of being SK than town

[Volpe14]

Your pov reads don't make sense

you think wooper is scum but believes wicked rather than me is telling the truth more likely

you've been sitting in the duck SR it's been days and it didn't look like you were approaching him like me to try to sort it out

when I said mena should shoot you, you insta switched from supporting me to supporting wicked

skitt your play here makes exactly 0 sense as town

[Volpe14]

you think wooper is scum but believes wicked rather than me is telling the truth more likely

actually I take this one back

it does makes some sense logically

[Volpe14]

if you think wooper is scum though you should have completely believed wicked instead of me though, because wooper/wicked are probably never partners

but that doesn't seem to be your conclusion

you're just *skitt'ing* around

[Volpe14]

You can't think that wooper is scum and wicked is lying at the same time

that isn't an organic conclusion.

[Volpe14]

Ok

Suppose the team is 3/4 of those players

Wicked fakes a guilty on someone who's already been copcleared (i.e. as opposed to the townie in that group of 4) because ...

Can you answer this? Third time now

Pretty sure Mena tried to CC you too

it just didn't go well?

therefore they resorted to cop claim

You're not even reading my posts.

Let's assume you're the townie and team is drdol/wicked/mena

Mena tried to CC you

it didn't sound believable

Would a cop therefore come and "I've a guilty on skitt" after the CC claim that seemed to backfire?

You didn't sound a believable groupscum with the teacher NK, Mena apparently tried to sell you as scum but failed.

WHY THE FUCKING HELL WOULD THEY TRY FAKING A GUILTY ON YOU IN THAT CASE

YOU

CAN'T

BE THIS SILLY.

if you're, I'm speechless if you aren't SK skitt.

literally speechless.

[Volpe14]

If I consider Wooper town, he was always the designated mislynch here, and every scum is trying to sell that, including you.

"Why you consider wooper town?"

First because of the clear I thought he could only be GF and would resolve later

but now with wicked CC I know wicked is scum and therefore a wooper/wicked team doesn't make any sense

IS THAT TOO HARD?

I SWEAR IT'S NOT

[Volpe14]

The fact we need 5 instead of 4 is giving me headache.

It would be so much simply if I didn't need to convince one of the not groupscum in skitt/mena to vote wicked.

@p-edit: you're kidding right?

[Volpe14]

SKITT I'M SORRY BUT THAT'S NOT REASONABLE OMG

I had already claimed cop, therefore it would be a cc.

Do you think it's easier to sell a volpe/nor scum team (two universally town reads) orrrr

volpe/wooper tying me with one of the universal scum reads?

:pokerface: ?

[Volpe14]

you're the only one showing doubt on nor here

a bit egix too but that's it

everyone lists had them as town I'm pretty sure

if they tried to completely swap what their reads were it would be sus too

claiming a guilty on the universal scum read to tie me up with it it's way way more reasonable than a universal town read volpe/nor team skitt.

you're genuinely making no sense, I didn't want to get upset at you if you're town but those questions...

[Volpe14]

Like

Nor never gets lynched with me/wooper here

Drdol completely swapping his read on him wouldn't be cool too

I by myself have already quite a lot of town credit I think?

A volpe/nor team really doesn't fly here, it's suboptimal compared to volpe/wooper framing

[Volpe14]

less controversial, targets to do it on

I would always lynch the *cop* of a "cop guilty" on MyLo in Norwe

There's no way to be less controversial here when I already claimed cop.

The chance of being two cops here is unreasonably low and I already explained that yesterday.

[Volpe14]

tl;dr: You think that Norwe if town is mislynchable and I think you're absolutely drunk.

Skitt if anyone claimed a guilty on Norwe here in MyLo and I wasn't cop, I would always lynch the *cop*.

[Volpe14]

Not necessarily but skitt thinking that a fake cop does anything in a CC but claim a guilty on the universal SR instead of the universal town reads is like...

...

[Volpe14]

like

wicked doesn't seem to be the WIFOM kind of guy

if he wants to claim a guilty, he does it in the easiest target. Wooper is the easiest target

grab everyone list yesterday and see who the fuck did put wooper on null or above.

Everyone probably put him as scum read.

he's the

universal scum read

. He's always the "guilty" claim skitt.

[Volpe14]

scum team in that case doesn't need to argue about how I'm town, they just need to hard frame wooper and by connection I would be scum

the scummier wooper looks the more damage I get in credibility even though our slots are separated.

Anything compared to that looks suboptimal.

[Volpe14]

For what it's worth, baton pass tl;dr:

Now last post to avoid future stress,

What wasn't scum indicative of me here:

> /shrug, :pepehands: or any other kind of semantic argument
> town reading RC/Nancy
> white-knight'ing lynchbait
> gifs/memes
> shitposting
> lurking the thread out although you may not have noticed as much. I just sometimes read the thread and didn't comment anything but I would have done something very similar as town

[Volpe14]

volpe if deadline was in an hour i'd be voting u rn

I don't really care anymore if people scum read me or not, but can you at least tell yourself that it's some kind of hyper WIFOM team of wicked/volpe/tw and vote wicked for today?

thank you

[Volpe14]

To be fair that wouldn't be a bad idea Norwe

if they got to mislynch a SK too it would probably led to a victory with the NK in town on a 3-man scum team?

Not a bad plan at all.

[Volpe14]

No it doesn't to be fair

[Volpe14]

You can trust me in mechanics more or less

that setup is impossible unless one of you/wooper is scum and I don't think it's that

[Volpe14]

Wait

let me check

[Volpe14]

ok I retract it apparently I'm putting so little effort this game I don't even completely understand mechanics

I think it can be that yes

actually right now I think it's that

[Volpe14]

wow what a fucked setup

this is completely not balanced

[Volpe14]

What does someone have in their mind to put 3-man team + SK vs 9 town to be honest?

It's literally broken imo.

[Volpe14]

So Volpe. Assuming i am correct about the scumteam. Do you think we should lynch Mena or DDL instead of Wicked? Might be a better chance at hitting roleblocker.

Eh

not bad idea

I'm fine with betting the game on Mena/DDL/Wicked + sk!Skitt right now

[Volpe14]

lol

guys, we're the townblock of this shit, we should give a name to our glorious town resistance faction in this clusterfuck of a setup

I'm accepting suggestions currently

[Volpe14]

Like, now I stop to think about it, if that's the setup we're almost bound to not win this if we don't hit roleblocker today probably?

I'm not sure we can win even with that right now

[Volpe14]

Fwiw I don't think wicked is the roleblocker if that's the case

if RB is their unique PR they probably are in a safer spot/safest spot

[Volpe14]

Wicked claimed cop

Mena tried to CC Vigilante

DDL claimed VT

I think safest spot is DDL but /shrug it could be Mena too I think, he back pedaled on it and it's not in exact danger right now

[Volpe14]

This is hypothetical too though Norwe

if either skitt or mena is town our chances of winning are more reasonably?

especially if we still have a full vig here to be fair

[Volpe14]

But...

Honestly, I really bet money right now that it's DDL/Wicked/Mena v SK!Skitt v us

@Egix what do you think of that?

[Volpe14]

I am a terrible mod, wanna know why?

you side with the sketchy side too?

[Volpe14]

I'm ignoring everything you two have said in the past couple of pages as being ridiculous

if this isn't a "gotcha them" post I don't know what it would be to be fair

[Volpe14]

Ok, TL;DR for me:

I don't think skitter is likely groupscum here, therefore she is either town or SK

If she isn't groupscum, the team to make sense needs to be Wicked/Menalque/DDL.

Best chance we might have here to win is to hit RB now that I think about it.

I can be wrong though so I'll mull over it

[Volpe14]

I'm ignoring everything you two have said in the past couple of pages as being ridiculous

if this isn't a "gotcha them" post I don't know what it would be to be fair

Iirc the universes where i'm sk menalque is town vig

What if both of you are lying...?

It's mafia!Mena and SK!Skitt?

[Volpe14]

Like

DDCCTTT apparently is = 2 Goons + Roleblocker + SK

There's no reason to believe this isn't the case because day play indicates exactly that

[Volpe14]

I'm ignoring everything you two have said in the past couple of pages as being ridiculous

if this isn't a "gotcha them" post I don't know what it would be to be fair

Iirc the universes where i'm sk menalque is town vig

What if both of you are lying...?

It's mafia!Mena and SK!Skitt?

You're trying to portray

fringe

universes as being likely

Ok

[Volpe14]

I'm thinking of something like

The Heavenly Nine Pirates

in reference to Halloween, "C9" the name of the setup, and the fact that there was only nine townies to begin with

If skitt is town though it will be no fun because the references gets all messed up

[Volpe14]

I claim to be the captain of the ship though

We also would need to give a name to our ship I guess?

[Volpe14]

It's ok we were just planning on hammering you

Don't worry

[Volpe14]

We should have asked NSG for some pirates avatars...

[Volpe14]

Norwe do you want to be jack sparrow or I can be jack sparrow?

I'm just gradually noticing we probably don't win this even if skitt is town because she's siding with scum here

fixed

[Volpe14]

We might as well meme at this point.

Now I truly understand town in Baton Pass.

[Volpe14]

Skitt I've given you every reason why we aren't the team and why you should vote wicked here but /shrug I don't see you really considering it

If you're confbiased I would rather have you take a step back of the thread and try to rework your solve

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Ok I'm starting to get pumped up of roleplaying we being the pirates in this dangerous sea of scum tbh

great edited images wait me in paint

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The Resistance Gang:

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There's a version with skitt or mena on it but I'm only posting it if I town read them and I don't right now

Egix don't shy away from this gucci gang please

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We still have majority of votes though

We might as well force town!skitt or sk!skitt to vote with us by sitting in a 4-vote wagon until deadline tbh

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I think mena can only be town if either wooper or norwe is scum and that's a no-no for me by the way

Then yeah I guess he/Drdol are confscum for me too?

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Drdol same case from above fwiw

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Unless Egix allies up with the sketchy side I don't think they can get a lynch here therefore skitt would likely be forced to vote with us to avoid a no-lynch?

I don't think a no-lynch benefits her as either alignment anyway

Best plan probably.

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No one praised my paint edit apparently.

I was forever hurt today.

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Why is she ever gonna openly claim sk if she is

Also you should unvote ddl if you’re town, we need to be lynching inside the cop claims

Or it could be that you're big scum and is making nonsense to push wicked lynch ascii shrug image

Not gonna lie

this really looks like scum team getting their unique PR caught and beginning to squirm

if roleblocker gets lynched today, I get one more cop check, if skitter is SK they can't stop her, and if mena is ever town vig he gets a guaranteed shot.

I'll think about it this afternoon

Also, if we lynch roleblocker today Mena is either conftown by tomorrow or confscum because he wouldn't be able to lie he was "roleblocke'd" if scum

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I mean c'mon

if Mena is scum they are always planning to claim RB'ed tomorrow

if roleblocker gets lynched here he is confscum lol

they might be trying to avoid it?

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Like, if RB is lynched today:

I check skitt because if SK she's probably 1-shot BP and claimed 1-shot vig to avoid investigatives later at the same time not looking like a threat to scum. I get the result whether she's SK or not.

We either rise tomorrow with a Mena second shoot somewhere or Mena is confscum because they can't give the "I was roleblocked" excuse anymore.

It basically puts scum team in a deadlock here to be fair

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We also out to mafia if skitt is scum or not what's optimal

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I had a mechanical that clears mena if we lynch the fakeclaim cop, remember?

I'm laughing at this

You don't have a "mechanical" at mena

you were just hopping mena might be town and shoot the other "cop" if we get it wrong today

that's completely bs, and I think the reason you needed to resort to this is because you know that if we lynch RB here mena is probably confscum tomorrow and the game is over.

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Volpe serious q. Assume I am town for now. Who is the third partner of wicked.

That's the thing

there's no one else but you in my pov

Want to convince me that either Wooper/Norwe seems like Wicked partner?

Go ahead but I disagree

you've been soft siding with him from way back there, with that weird wall saying that I was probably the scum

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This game is literally over for mafia/SK if we lynch RB today.

Skitt is outted as SK

Mena gets confscum status

Wicked is already confscum for me

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Skitt this is our pov here and what you seem pretty dense to understand:

Egix is conftown

You aren't groupscum. Either SK or town.

From Nor's pov:

The unique question is "Do you think either Wooper/Volpe are Wicked's partners?"

If yes, there is other teams possible ok.

If no, the team is

exactly

drdol/mena/wicked. There's no ONE ELSE TO BE SCUM if you didn't notice.

If Nor votes wicked here, he is trusting that I'm town to not lose the game, when if he trust that I'm town, Drdol is scum anyway.

If you want to argue about how I'm the scum in Wicked/me ok, but as long as I'm not the one he wants to vote today, voting Drdol makes exactly 0 difference aside from a possible RB flip because Wicked is almost guaranteed not the RB with that CC.

From wooper's/my pov the question leading to Drdol/mena/wicked is basically "Do you think either Volpe/Norwe are likely wicked buddies?" and "Do you think either Wooper/Norwe are likely wicked buddies?".

I already explained why I don't think that wooper/wicked makes sense here if Wooper is Godfather (the unique possibility), but if you're SK skitt, wooper is literally conftown because I think mena is lying too therefore it's DDCCTTT and there's no Godfather therefore my clear makes wooper conftown.

I'm not sure about voting drdol to be fair, but what you are saying is really dense

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Not being offensive but if you're town you definitely don't understand things from a theoretical/mechanical pov and it just tunneling reads at this point without trying to really understand what we're saying.

Hopefully you're just scum.

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drdol I know you're in despair but that vote is really cute tbh

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Me? Ok tell me where I am wrong

Mena is gonna claim RB'ed and the real mafia Roleblocker is probably gonna roleblocker me therefore it'll be another possibility of mislynching me in a 1v1 with Mena

whennn

if RB gets lynched today you don't need to believe that I'm town to make mena confscum, he's simply confscum because he should have a shoot but wouldn't have happened a second night kill if he's lying.

Drdol you're the real scummy guy here because your plan gives you a second chance of doing a 1v1 with me even though by that point we would have lynched Wicked.

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Also tell me, where in a world where I am not scum, yet wicked scum means I am scum, how am I not supposed to vote for you

I'm more explaining for everyone in thread to understand what's wrong with you

I'm ok with you voting me to push your win con?

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I'm fine with you plan as long if I claim RB'ed and Mena claims RB'ed too, you always vote Mena over me.

Scum doesn't RB Egix and NK me in that scenario because it would mechanically be outted that scum RB was on Egix since Egix is doctor'ing me tonight I suppose?

Drdol you can't win that argument.

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No that's senseless because if mena claims rb and you were actually rb, then you cc menas rb since at that point you're conf town

Ok so you're basically implying that you always vote mena over me there?

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what the fuck? this is all conditional on lynching the right cop today because if not its moot anyhow

I know I'm the real cop, therefore I'm not considering a world where Wicked doesn't flip scum?

For anyone else might be different but for me it's not

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lol?

both jumped at me when I said that drdol/mena is a best lynch than wicked because chances of hitting roleblocker

if that isn't a scum claim idk what would be one

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The unique question is "Do you think either Wooper/Volpe are Wicked's partners?"

No, this question presupposes scum!wicked from nor's pov. If he assumes that, sure, the rest of your post is valid, but he's ignoring the possibility of you/wooper scum and wicked town

Sure, but voting Drdol and voting wicked has no difference in that case other than higher chances of hitting RB and getting an extra cop check

If you want to make me scum go ahead but voting drdol/wicked/mena at this point is almost the same thing

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But the issue is that you are the fake cop

Cool

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Drdol/Mena were playing defensively but suddenly we get to "huh hitting RB here is better maybe" and stare at him and the two jump at the same time at me in despair



VOTE: Drdol

ok I bet $100 we were right and you are really the roleblocker drdol.

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The unique question is "Do you think either Wooper/Volpe are Wicked's partners?"

No, this question presupposes scum!wicked from nor's pov. If he assumes that, sure, the rest of your post is valid, but he's ignoring the possibility of you/wooper scum and wicked town

Sure, but voting Drdol and voting wicked has no difference in that case other than higher chances of hitting RB and getting an extra cop check

If you want to make me scum go ahead but voting drdol/wicked/mena at this point is almost the same thing

No?
This is nonsense

Ok skitt if you're town just watch me being a decent scum hunter I'm tired of you "not understanding" things

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Drdol/Mena were playing defensively but suddenly we get to "huh hitting RB here is better maybe" and stare at him and the two jump at the same time at me in despair



VOTE: Drdol

ok I bet $100 we were right and you are really the roleblocker drdol.

Dude you're intelligent enough to vote caught-scum from your pov if town, and to try to get other people to vote with you

Like this whole argument doesnt make sense from town!you

What part of I'm betting the game that wooper/Nor is town you didn't understand for the love of god skitt?

Wooper/Nor doesn't seem like Wicked buddies and I already explained why one hundred times and you just

ignore

it.

We're in MyLo and any mislynch lose us the game

anyway

. There's no room for erros and the best I can do is to lynch the roleblocker and get a cop check on you to confirm either you're town or SK.

I would never vote Wooper/Nor as wicked buddies before Mena/Drdol, therefore this game is lost if either nor/wooper is scum from my pov.

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and I would rather lose now than wait fucking weeks for a surprise on either nor/wooper being scum.

Like

I'm never voting either nor/wooper for wicked buddies when drdol/mena have explicitly sided with scum here

I will NEVER LOSE TO THAT PLAY. NEVER.

I would rather lose to a mastermind wooper or norwe than to lose to open wolfing. This is what this is about.

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You're still not acknowledging that my mena clear mechanism works

It doesn't

it counts on you siding with me to vote mena when I don't think that happens when you're buddies

this is a shit argument

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Drdol even if wicked flips scum you/mena are probably gonna push some wifom team of Volpe/Wicked/Wooper as your best choice

your team is caught and buying time is the unique way you can ever win here

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Egix I just hope you don't make the wrong choice here

not that I'm putting some burden on you but after that double jump on me/nor when we said drdol was probably the RB you should know who to vote for

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Fwiw the fact that there's no hammer confirms the duality between teams so /shrug

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Norwe you're officially one of my favorites players in the forum

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I'm still kinda creeped out by how intune the three of them are

Do you really think we sound more "intune" than that double jump of mena/drdol on me?

really?

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Actually I give up on talking with skitter.

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I don't care anymore about this game.

Go on mislynch and lose or if you're SK good job convincing Egix to side with the sketchy side because you're clearly tunneling all game and don't seem to be willing to reconsider anything.

I show up with a clear on wooper and the first thing is your mind apparently is "ok but you still might be scum and we need to lynch you"

like

what the hell are you doing if town skitter?

it's like a worse version of Mystery Box of Silver where me/wooper want to lynch real scum (mastina/sheep) but people can't stop tunneling and I get sick of the game.

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I show up with a clear on wooper and the first thing is your mind apparently is "ok but you still might be scum and we need to lynch you"

I'm more talking here about how you seemed keen on lynching a cop clear when there's no scum flipped than you voting me

just for no misunderstandings

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Skitter really just sounds annoyed that we figured her out or that we might investigate her.

I'm not sure she sides with scum here to be fair if she's SK

I think eliminating mafia would be a better priority for her right now and that puzzles me because it would more likely than not mean she thinks that we're most likely scum over the open wolfing other side

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That instantly double jump on me doesn't happen without being buddies

like

ever.

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no

she probably just can't find mafia as either town or SK

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/shrug

I'm starting to get used to shifeasts by now Norwe

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Egix you're like the tiebreaker here. Can you come and vote scum? Ty.

Problem is I'm not so sure of myself any more

Ok don't leave us

talk with us

why are you just sheeping on skitter's thoughts mostly egix?

I won't hold it against you if you vote me here but like, at least come to that conclusion by your own

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Compare me vs Wicked on how much each one seemed to be trying to solve the game in the early days

Compare my political scum!self in Baton Pass vs here me just wanting my scum reads dead asap and very willing to make enemies for scum reading some players

I clearly didn't need to antagonize skitter way back there while she was on my side, but I still did instead of trying to pocket her with gentle words like Mena, because right now I DON'T TOWN READ her tunnely/pro-mafia play so far.

I never made an enemy of a strong presence like Celestial Coordinates in Baton Pass where I was scum, because I knew it would be troublesome for me to survive, but I still did here

Is there anything that genuinely makes me less town or more scummy than Wicked in your opinion Egix?

Or are you just afraid because "Skitter said so"?

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Wooper this game is kind of in almost auto-lose to town if skitter is SK and we don't lynch RB today if you didn't notice by the way

I don't care anymore but just saying

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oh.

I just had a realization.

I think Mena is probably the Godfather with Drdol wanting me to check him.

If I come with a clear he'll say "DIDN'T YOU SAY WE WOULDN'T LYNCH CLEARS?"

while if I fake a guilty because I'm confident on scum!Mena, when he flips godfather he pushes me anyway

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ~~

the time when you realize the plan.