Open 768: C9++ [GAME OVER]

[Volpe14]

Mena godfather also would point to town!skitt for what it's worth but /bleh

skitt is siding with sketchy side and I would feel better in post-game if she is SK to be fair

[Volpe14]

Like, they RB Mena, I check him, come with a clear and mena gains credibility on thread but if I fake a guilty because I'm confident on scum!mena he pushes me tomorrow with a godfather flip

not bad drdol.

not bad.

[Volpe14]

I'M RAISING THE STAKES DRDOL IS THE ROLEBLOCKER 49 OUT OF 50 TIMES

[Volpe14]

Like, a clear in Mena here makes the duality of "if you're up to lynch mena you need to be up to lynch wooper because they both have clears" here and that's pretty much why recent pages happened the way they did.

I see. That's the way you're still planning to win the game.

You're gonna use the cop to make you gain credibility. Pretty impressive.

[Volpe14]

For what it's worth I'm self-aware that me shouting over the thread this much makes me look probably bad but like Egix/Skitt

I'm

confident

on it.

I'm not trying to be political, gentle, nice smelling or anything.

I really just want people to understand that I'm probably right in this game.

[Volpe14]

Ok wooper now you did it

UNVOTE:

Without my vote you can't get a lynch on anyone

but me

since drdol/mena/wicked are not gonna vote each other.

I've defended you the most likely designated mislynch here, when if I was scum it would be a walk in the park while eating CAKE to claim a guilty on you and get you lynched. But first you come with the "I'm not 100% sure on town!volpe" and now you come with this

It was bad enough to have to endure skitter moonlogic when regardless of alignment she should be lynching mafia here but you aren't even using your brain to understand what I'm talking about getting bound to bad scenarios doesn't matter if wicked flips scum without the RB lynched.

Wicked vs me theater wouldn't be impossible but there's no reason for me to not hard lynch wicked here and tomorrow mislynch with the credit, or even this theater all-together when you were the universal scum read and me a universal town read, claiming a guilty on you would always win this game to scum!me. You had no chance in a 1v1 with me here and you should know it.

Self-voting would be anti-wincon and bannable but I'll excuse myself of voting today because for some unexplainable reason like TR on wicked from drdol/mena/skitt I think no-lynching is a good plan?

It's a secret sure.

Have fun no lynching or mislynching me congrats for the win drdol/mena/wicked.

[Volpe14]

I'm not gonna keep effort'ing this shit to hear you and skitter saying rubbish

I'm gonna watch anime and this is officially a mafia win now to stick both of you a lesson

[Volpe14]

You're the one to check your priorities with town play when you're not realizing that not only there's no need for cop theater if I claimed a guilty on you as scum, when if it's cop theater I lynch wicked here and mislynch tomorrow with a fake guilty, or that if we get roleblocker tomorrow mena either gets conftown or confscum status and I avoid a troublesome 1v1 of Mena vs you when I think mena is the godfather therefore it's useless to check him if not for opening the possibility of voting you for people because "both are clears" and we might lose the goddamn game even though it's solved, especially because of egix/skitter.

[Volpe14]

Do you think that in a 1v1 with me with a guilty on you I'm EVER the one lynched?

ffs wooper.

ffs.

[Volpe14]

I don't disbelieve you volpe. You're pushing a moot point. Get your vote back on the guy we both literally know is scum.

Nah I would rather be lynched here and we lose game to stick lessons than endure skitter saying rubbish about "menalque doesn't do this as scum" tomorrow, they trying to pivot or needing to convince anyone including you that it's drdol/mena.

If I get a clear on mena, they claim RB'ed and they say "ok now it's between wooper/mena, they both have clears", skitt TR'ing mena and SR'ing you is gonna go for you, egix mindless sheep might go for you if alive, and those 2 votes guarantees that a drdol/mena team wins with a hammer.

Who is got to stop it tomorrow in that case?????

Oh right, me.

Thank you no?

if you/skitt/egix want a win regardless of skitt being a sk or not you better earn it than rely on me to stop your goddam mechanical mistakes.

Lynching roleblocker here completely outs mena as either town or scum, impedes stress on me by convincing everyone on mena in a mena vs you thing, and shut up skitter saying rubbish at the same time.

I'm not going to carry any of you anymore, you're free to do whatever you want.

[Volpe14]

The unique reason I town read you wooper is because I know wicked is scum and I don't think it's likely you to be s/s.

You didn't do a thing in this game other than goof around, you don't deserve that carry. Neither skitter does if town. Neither does egix.

[Volpe14]

That's all I have to say about this game right now.

[Volpe14]

Fighting ready my ass.

I'm not going to carry anyone anymore.

Go go go

lose the fucking game that was bound to be won by mafia if you consider wooper town because everyone was coming to this day scum reading him.

ffs.

[Volpe14]

Sorry Norwe you were enjoyable to play with and was agreeing with me

but still the point for everyone else should stand

[Volpe14]

This is always perpetual MyLo/LyLo

you don't have mislynches

one mislynch is always game lost to town if you didn't notice

If you think that it's likely ddl/mena this game is over if it was scum!me/scum!wicked by tomorrow because I mislynch one of mena/drdol

this game was always over by mislynching you from your town pov

you make no sense whatsoever but you and skitt haven't been making sense it's been quite some time already and I'm tired of it

[Volpe14]

The post above is to wooper fwiw

[Volpe14]

im ngl I'm super wary of menalque and that's why I unvoted and am waiting for wicked to check in again.

Volpe, I'm offering you again to propose me a scumteam ft (wicked, menalque, +not me) that makes sense. If you can't then I'm forced to vote you. Cause I can't think of any

drdol in the chance you're town just mislynch me and make this game over and I can go watch anime and avoid carrying a win that doesn't deserve to happen

[Volpe14]

The unique carry I'm willing to do right now is my team mafia game for my team or for norwe in another game because he's great

everyone else hard no thank you

[Volpe14]

I'm not in a great day, and wooper/skitter using logic I don't understand just makes me wanna be free from this.

If there was a way for me to silently go away I would but I don't think I get nightkilled over Egix here to be fair, because a scum team with wooper/nor without me doesn't make much sense plus Egix is absolutely conftown and there's no arguing with that.

so /shrug

[Volpe14]

also I'm not considering replacing out because I want to keep replace outs at minimum possible.

[Volpe14]

I'm gonna cool off my head.

VOTE: wicked

if anyone still thinks it can be wooper/volpe after that spat I think you're really not a good scum hunter to be fair

but either way I'm not carrying this so if wicked isn't roleblocker get ready to a 1v1 with probably godfather!mena that you're probably losing wooper. It'll be great to watch it to be fair.

Very great.

[Volpe14]

I'll literally just exist this game and tomorrow I'm pretty sure you guys lose have a good day

[Volpe14]

Everything he said makes sense?

This is the right wagon.

[Volpe14]

We do that thing of me checking mena and he shooting someone or something and tomorrow I wake up with a clear on him and there's a 1v1 with wooper.

it's gonna be great I pinky promise.

[Volpe14]

Wooper/Volpe never do that spat there for what it's worth so that's really bad read from anyone town

[Volpe14]

Egix/Skitter

do you really think that wooper/me/nor does what we did in the past pages?

We really aren't that smooth. Reconsider it.

I think the answer isn't hard to see at all by this point.

Expect very little or no activity through Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday.

[Volpe14]

Sorry Norwegian, I hope you forgive me for that post back there.

[Volpe14]

When I come back to this game, if wicked isn't lynched and egix/skitter hasn't given up in a nor/wooper/volpe trash solve I'm gonna have to capslock this.

just saying.

Please for the love of god just vote wicked here egix/skitter. It's

not

hard to see what is the right answer.

[Volpe14]

Also wooper I'm not defending you on a 1v1 with mena tomorrow if he is cleared

you deserve that to be fair.

[Volpe14]

Mena should probably vig in a pool of [drdol, wooper] here, preferentially drdol but /shrug

wooper dying here saves me the trouble of defending him if town and if scum it saves us of losing the game

[Volpe14]

What's going to happen next is completely NAI.

I've done it as town, I've done it as scum. Don't try to angleshoot-y it because it's against the rules and game integrity.

Ignore it.

[Volpe14]

Volpe reheated redactions so I won’t elaborate, but I believe based on their behaviour in the scum thread that their desire to not continue playing based on mental state was genuine, just not for the reasons given in this thread

Yes, nothing about that frustation was faked.

I currently have quite a lot of things to do irl and I wanted this game to be over faster or else I wouldn't be able to keep playing this for 2 weeks or more.

What was really frustating was that from both wooper/skitt pov I didn't think it made much sense:

Skitter was considering that one of Wicked/Volpe had to be lying and the other one telling the truth, and was particularly leaning on Wicked telling the truth. That meant wooper was always scum if Wicked was town, but although low probability, it wasn't impossible for it to be Wicked/Wooper, or even a Wicked/Wooper/Volpe team, therefore lynching Wooper, as DDL said, would sort out the cop claims.

If you were assuming that Wicked/Volpe had a 50/50 shoot of hitting scum, wooper had

more

than 50% odds of being scum in this scenario. Therefore with your reads, it was really frustating seeing you not noticing it, because I couldn't be the one to explain that neither mena or wicked, otherwise the plan could be ruined.

From Wooper's:

If it was a SK!Skitt, lynching anyone other than the mafia roleblocker today, would most certainly lose the game to town in a kingmaker (therefore lynching roleblocker/getting a clear-cut guilty on Skitt and trying to bait mafia vs SK conflict early was the unique shoot from town in this scenario, because we would avoid fire on us in the night for one or two nights). Therefore even if he was careful about his reads,

today

was the day to solve the game because even if wicked was scum, in a cop!volpe/sk!skitt scenario

you always lose even if you lynch scum everyday afterwards

.

I had my hands tied with playing the role I was meant to play, therefore I couldn't really force that much either of those explanations (and actually wooper/skitt weren't even listening which if I was town probably would lead to a town lose anyway), therefore it was...insanely frustating to keep watching wooper/egix/skitter go in a circle of repeating the same things while I wasn't only burned out of playing twice as scum both here and in Baton Pass, but also because I wanted to finish my games and give some attention to other issues.

I didn't want to replace out, I've a bad history with it, I wanted to do it until the end like Baton Pass, I didn't even care to win anymore at the end and in scum PT I was even talking about conceding just to get over with it (but what would be really unfair to mena/wicked), but I was forced to do it I guess.

[Volpe14]

Volpe i just ... dont like the tactics you used today much at all

It really wasn't tactics, I was intensely genuinely frustated and if I was solo scum here instead of having a team I would have self-voted/conceded in the spot

[Volpe14]

I was really burned out

Both here and in Baton Pass I was faking my hyperposting meta when I don't have energy/time enough for it nowadays. I just wanted to try my best in some scum games for the first time since Mini 2070 was ruined by what I consider kind of a nonsense setup.

If I was town I would have had more positive vibes/lurked out the thread while posting read lists, but as scum I had to keep forcing game state in a direction and I was just completely drained in the end there, I didn't mean to use AtE anymore but I couldn't hold it anymore by that point...

For what it's worth, this was my last game being hyperposting probably. Even if I roll scum again I kind of plan to be the weak link of the team although I can't 100% predict it. As town..I don't know, lurking the game out until later and giving reads without compromisse sounds better than trying to force lynches in a certain way.

I'm not proud of the AtE in the last moments but I'm not going to hide in a corner because of it since it wasn't tactical - it was completely real. I didn't even care anymore about winning by that point.

[Volpe14]

This is probably officially the largest open game for what it's worth.

There's another one with 226 pages but the game there ended in page 218 or something. This is the largest one in game-duration and probably gonna go up to 226 pages too with post-game commentaries.

Sorry skitter, I hope you don't hold it against me what I said to you in last day phase, It was a one-time trick because I was utterly exhausted of this game and needed it to be over as soon as possible.

In fact, rather than trying to manipulate you I was trying to bait you into voting me for what it's worth. I wanted to get lynched.

[Volpe14]

I have probably a 70% rate of replacing out and wanted to change it but I guess I failed, sorry

[Volpe14]

Also good job creating enough confusion around the cop claims @scum. It wrecked the game and made it p much impossible to figure out what was going on

That was the plan yeah, divide town and confuse the game in a way that correctly lynching all scum in the end would be harder.

Lynchpool today for just wooper and if he got people town reading him it would turn into a very ugly game for us because associative hunting a wicked/mena/volpe team would probably be very revealing.

[Volpe14]

It also was because we wanted to do some lol claiming to be fair.

[Volpe14]

@nomnom tonight or tomorrow night I'll talk about what I would like redacted in the scum PT. Don't realize it before that if it's possible.

If anyone interested, scum PT has probably around 40 pages.

[Volpe14]

If you want me to be honest it didn't really matter too much wheter you guys lynched me, wooper or wicked here

I don't really think town would be able to unravel this mess completely, it would probably mislynch someone down the road

isn't it better that we didn't waste even more weeks on the game...?

Like, if I was town here I would also have lynched wooper. Lynching me only to lynch wooper tomorrow/day 5 or lynching wicked only to lynch drdol near the end (by our plans you would be dead with a good explanation for what it's worth skitt), it didn't make much difference.

The real town downfall here wasn't lynching wooper, it was assuming one of me/wicked was telling the truth, and that's exactly why we tried to divide town because regardless of lynch today the "faction" that lost a member with a red flip would be in severe scrutiny next day phase.

Assuming one of wicked/volpe was telling the truth, lynching wooper was clearly the best mechanical play here ever. Don't mistake that.

Just as from wooper pov, if one of wicked/volpe was likely telling the truth, and skitter was a sk, lynching roleblocker today was the unique chance town had of salvation before a kingmaker.

Don't feel bad about it, you guys didn't lose because you didn't thought this out enough in my opinion, it was a lose because we made a pretty ballsy play but there was no ballsy assumptions pursued by town.

[Volpe14]

Like, we can't pretend that if you lynched me wooper wouldn't be mislynched later.

Confbias would never let you get away with that scenario, especially considering that everyone was scum reading wooper from d1 anyway.

[Volpe14]

I knew there was something suspicious about how everyone was townreading me.

No, I would have town locked you after that teacher guilty reaction as town anyway.

You were really obvtown after that.

[Volpe14]

Hey, i wasn't really scum reading Wooper at any point really.

After I flipped you would probably lose confidence in your individual reads since I was one of your hard TRs, and with the fact I was defending wooper in MyLo you would probably end up voting there anyway?

Your posts in this day phase also were showing you thinking in the dichotomy of volpe/wooper as a team

[Volpe14]

Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lynch him, and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum but in actuality he's TOWN!

This is funny in hindsight.

Yeah I held my breath in that post

[Volpe14]

Too bad you were scum Volpe, i wanted to believe in you. :c

Next game I promise I'll lynch scum!

[Volpe14]

This is almost officially the longest open game in the forum history!

go go go one more page of post-game commentaries!

[Volpe14]

Ah right, I talked about it in scum PT norwegian, but I really meant to say I enjoyed playing with you this game

I feel like we would mindmeld a lot as town too

I don't think I would have much different reads this game as town other than not SR'ing teacher/bingle that hard.

I probably would have tunneled wooper/egix though

[Volpe14]

I mean, check the dead thread. The first thing to do when someone claims Cop and give results is to go back and see how they treated their own innos. Volpe voted Teacher not once, and not twice, but THREE times on D2. An Teacher was supposedly his inno from

Actually A50...I would have done that as cop if I had claimed from frustration to fake out not being the cop because you know, I was 1v1 against someone I thought was scum and didn't want them to notice it?

I only claimed cop exactly because I could play out my play in day 2 like that. I wouldn't have acted much different if I was really a town cop back there.

When I was jailkeeper in a newbie game one of the first things I did in day 1 was to talk a lot about directing PRs/d2 talk about "guessing the town PRs" in the setup to fool mafia into thinking I was VT.

That's like, how I play as PR and I would have backed it up.

[Volpe14]

@Menalque: You do that as a real Cop and I lynch you on the spot 10 times out of 10. NO COP ever votes their own inno in a Normal.

I think you are probably talking about me here and I guess you will really mislynch PR!me someday because as a PR I intentionally try to not look like a PR until the right time

I don't rely on my PR claim to look town - I rely on my own independent town credit, and try for the longest time possible look not like a PR.

if wooper was scum in that moment he would clearly be suspicious of me being a cop therefore fooling him into thinking I wasn't a cop by voting teacher for a bit would be the unique salvation to avoid a NK on me which would make me/town have one less result.

I don't really understand how I wasn't supposed to play out the "not cop" act when what would be my top suspect was considering I might be cop and therefore getting ready to NK me.

[Volpe14]

Ok, this is the official longest open game in 15 or so years of mafiascum.net

congratulations everyone I guess

[Volpe14]

if wooper was scum in that moment he would clearly be suspicious of me being a cop therefore fooling him into thinking I wasn't a cop by voting teacher for a bit would be the unique salvation to avoid a NK on me which would make me/town have one less result.

And what if you got shot on N2?? I mean, let's say you were a Cop with an inno on me and you still voted me on D2 and then got randomly killed ion N2 anyway? What legacy would you have left the town to work with??

I'm pretty sure I had hard softed checking out teacher there and I would trust town to pretty much understand that I was playing around wooper by acting like "not the cop"

I had checked someone and by not claiming guilty I would have had a clear. The unique softing on mechanical clear I had was teacher.

I don't think there's any world where people don't get the fact that teacher was my target/I was trying to not look like the cop later (wooper even made that argument I'm pretty sure), but

I can see

where you're coming from, but just not something I would do as a PR to be fair.

[Volpe14]

volpe I hate that this game makes me love you even more. >:/

I intensely hated the fact that you weren't realizing that if skitter was sk without lynching the roleblocker we would go to a kingmaker later which had a 100% rate of town losing but I also indeed love you.

I just was frustated that I thought I had a really good argument to make you vote DDL, was burned out of the game (just as you were), but you wouldn't let me wrap it up for everyone's sake

I mean...for one minute imagine playing this for more 20 or so days, especially trying to convince people after they lynched me that you weren't scum?

Literally

torture/hell is the unique thing that comes to mind...

[Volpe14]

tbf my argument for cop!you was "maybe he was doing X?" not "he was clearly a cop and town because X" - it did take some brainstretching but it was more likely than noms sending the wrong result to wicked and not owning up to the mod error lmao

Yeah I know I just think that cop!me wouldn't have voted with you in teacher there when you, my top SR, would be suspecting me of TMI therefore cop.

[Volpe14]

tbf my argument for cop!you was "maybe he was doing X?" not "he was clearly a cop and town because X" - it did take some brainstretching but it was more likely than noms sending the wrong result to wicked and not owning up to the mod error lmao

Yeah I know I just think that cop!me wouldn't have voted with you in teacher there when you, my top SR, would be suspecting me of TMI therefore cop.

fixing:

cop!me

would

have voted with you in teacher probably

[Volpe14]

And it also threw me off that you kept hard insisting volpe was town,

@Wooper was just biased towards town!Volpe because Volpe was claiming him to be town. He got played like all of us.

Yeah that was one of the reasons I claimed a inno on him

out of everyone I always thought he would be the most suspicious of me but with only me defending his slot he had no choice but to be a bit biased on me

[Volpe14]

And mena would have claimed that he got paranoid of you being SK since you were pushing me (which in that scenario would look like the real cop)

and the no-NK of mafia would be tried to explain as mafia having also got paranoid of sk!skitter and shoot her while considering that mena would have shot elsewhere.

It wasn't a good explanation to be honest, but it would let Egix alive and explain the "cop" remaining not being NK'ed since mena would flip roleblocker and killing the cop in LyLo would be mechanically impossible in the scenario

[Volpe14]

It would be kind of trying to make look like mafia!Mena giving excuses for no double NK, flipping him and getting a nice excuse to being alive in LyLo for one of us

[Volpe14]

volpe/mena/chem you guys around for a shoot on tuesday for the alternate ending

only one answer I guess:

reroll.

[Volpe14]

nah I just need you to say "arrgghh nooo I thought I'd get away with it!" while falling

Not gonna lie, It would be pretty funny

[Volpe14]

volpe/mena/chem you guys around for a shoot on tuesday for the alternate ending

You didn't witness enough scenarios with Volpe, getting flirty with me instead. This made Volpe so jealous she turned into yandere!Volpe and you got railroaded right into the bad ending.
You gotta try all over again if you want to go for the true ending.

I think he won't get the references but yeah, I guess he needs to try all over again since he's the clumsy kind to not save before flags.

[Volpe14]

thanks Nor now I need my brain cleaned.

wtf I'm clearly the best heroine man

[Volpe14]

It needs to be multiple masks tho, clearly

No, we together would make the terrible 3-headed WIFOM monster

[Volpe14]

nth mena for moment of brilliance