Open 771: Pollock's Flag [endgame!]

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VOTE: Blatant Scum

blatant

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wait

there's hydras in this game

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Cat Scratch Fever is a secret admirer of flags. Last night, I saw her attending a Flag Festival. Sure, I was at the festival too, but I was only there for

research

purposes. Meanwhile, I spotted her exclusively hugging

greyscale

flags.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

I even got my picture taken

Hot Take.
This is scum theatre.
And CSF and Hectic are scum buddies.

Why do you think that interaction between me and Hectic is SvS, TSE?

I’m saying it’d be funny if it was.
Because how he lined it up for the image you gave.

-TSE

i don't really get how these two follow from one another

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it looks a lot like the first one is implying more than "it'd be funny" and more like "it looks possible"

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CSF is my first day1 townread

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i wonder how long before pink ball plays mafia

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VOTE: pink ball

l e t ' s g o

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of the 3 people perpetuating the "rushing in" jokes, pink ball is the one who isn't actually playing game

hectic and CSF are joking and playing game at same time

pink ball's probably scum, hectic and csf probably town

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guess i'm the only one in this timezone

bedtime 4 me then

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of the 3 people perpetuating the "rushing in" jokes, pink ball is the one who isn't actually playing game

hectic and CSF are joking and playing game at same time

pink ball's probably scum, hectic and csf probably town

What makes you think their joking comes from town over scum?

becauae they're just copying other people's jokes and not playing mafia

it's two levels removed from even playing the game

just joking around, and worse, not even original so it's not even possible to maybe read them by tone

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I will just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in.

da wolf hath been caught

can you explain why you have a problem with this, but you called Looker's similar early game comment townie?

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@Hectic @rb, can i see your reads ?

my reads are already given?

maybe you should read the game

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And clidd appearing just when I mentioned him? Lol

ime this is generally entirely wrong

timezones, people's irl schedules etc.

the amount of times people bring up stuff like this and call it scummy is nowhere near the amount of times scum actually do this

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people being busy irl isn't a scumtell

news at 7

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so what actual reads do you have on hectic/csf if you don't actually think either one is scum?

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Generally entirely wrong seems like an hyperbole just to prove a point without backup

But what do you think about the first pop up, rb? I know I shouldn't be looking at the join date to get a read, but damn it's too tempting

it's the wording that most accurately describes it

people generally post according to their irl schedule, not to their alignment. the idea that they do the latter is most of the time entirely wrong.

so it is generally speaking, entirely wrong.

specific players who may have a meta tell of activity (which is actually fairly few) do exist but ime the idea that "they posted when i mentioned them!!!" is just confirmation bias or more likely to be scum than the person being accused.

who knows, maybe clidd is scum, but those posts themselves are not scummy posts

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plus it looks as if clidd's shown that it really did have nothing to do with their alignment

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also can we note that pink ball's only apparent scumread is someone they then unvoted for them "speaking spanish"

and then vote pink ball who continues to flounder and provide no content of any worth

thanx

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I can't translate. Are we trying to catch a particular flag first or just straight scum? I'm just shooting for scum.

there's an optimal play for this that i'll discuss later in day1

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also can we note that pink ball's only apparent scumread is someone they then unvoted for them "speaking spanish"

and then vote pink ball who continues to flounder and provide no content of any worth

thanx

You don't understand my sense of humor and that's fine.

And you're tunneling me, that's fine too.

'Cause saying I have no content, while the gamestate is not content full at all, is just plain stupid. Whats your content other than "calling me out" and antagonizing me? Whats rooroo's content? Whats clidd's content (before I pushed him)?

You just have something on with me, and the worst of it is that you are wrong.

this doesn't make much sense to me

you don't need an entire game full of content to find a particular player's lack of content scummy. this is the kind of thinking that leads to people thinking relatively about their reads, instead of focusing on who has actually played in a way that is most reminiscent of scum. people are inactive for all different reasons, what's scummy is that you are appearing to be active, are attempting to play the game and in neither case are you really doing much that isn't super easy to do as scum

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also i'm not feeling either a creature or a TSH wagon

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Right now I'm down to vote for Pink Ball or TSH.

Pink Ball's early game posting style, while annoying to read, is probably NAI. However, I didn't love their clidd vote and liked their unvote even less.

TSH I was null on until like pg 12 when they got super defensive over Amrun's vote. The whole 'not liking posts' vs 'scummy posts' is dumb too, since not liking someone's post sort of implies that you're leaning scum there, which is a good reason to vote someone IMO and

he's using it as an excuse not to vote anyone.

VOTE: TSH

vote count 1.10

TrueSoulHustler (3)

: Hectic, Cat Scratch Fever, Amrun

Creature (2)

: Uncrowned, Blatant Scum

rooroo (2)

: AaronFrost, Looker

Pink Ball (1)

: rb

Amrun (1)

:

TrueSoulHustler

Blatant Scum (1)

: Creature

not voting: Rooroo, clidd, Pink Ball

but they are voting someone?

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Bored of your tunnel. My "attempt to play the game" is because I've been paying too much attention to you when I shouldn't.

so you only tried to play the game because you got pressured?

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Pink Ball can you please show me where I was apparently rude to you?

i have been commenting on how you're playing this game of mafia. how is that rude, exactly?

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TSH is an erratic player and that's about all i'm gathering atm

i certainly don't like players who are unclear about their meanings/wordings but i often brainvomit myself and do exactly that. i think they're low-hanging fruit today

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also can we note that pink ball's only apparent scumread is someone they then unvoted for them "speaking spanish"

and then vote pink ball who continues to flounder and provide no content of any worth

thanx

You don't understand my sense of humor and that's fine.

And you're tunneling me, that's fine too.

'Cause saying I have no content, while the gamestate is not content full at all, is just plain stupid. Whats your content other than "calling me out" and antagonizing me? Whats rooroo's content? Whats clidd's content (before I pushed him)?

You just have something on with me, and the worst of it is that you are wrong.

I would understand if your read involved the numerical fact of my posts, considering my low participation. However, this assimilation of a reactive point that, supposedly, classifies me as a potential scum for posting in a certain period of time, disregarding external factors, is quite strange and far from being consistent with a reflective intention, as you seem to believe. In others words, it would be clearer if your pseudo-pressure were carried out in a clearer way, without being overshadowed by the suggestive bias I felt coming from the vague explanation accompanied by your vote.

this is a very wordy way of saying what i also think, yes

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people being busy irl isn't a scumtell

news at 7

This. You started asking when I was going to start playing the game (like literally your second post so you haven't done anything else than tunnel me), when I started engaging, this was your answer. So not only you have been tunneling me because of a joke that "made sense coming from other two players but not from me", but when I tried to get in the game, you tried to get me out.

No, I'm not playing the game out of pressure, I don't feel pressured at all, 'cause your read on me is fucking atrocious. Do something else instead of being obsessed with me

i was disagreeing that clidd 'popping in' is a good reason to scumread someone. it's not. scumreads on people for stuff like this happens all the time, and it's nearly always from scum, or town who are wrong.

i mean if i'm obsessed with you for having you as a scumread among other reads i have on others, with me sorting and interacting with a bunch of slots by now then does that mean you're obsessed with clidd? because you don't even have any other stated reads than clidd as scum because he 'popped in' which seems like, not at all a very townie thinking process at this point of the game imo

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I have rb, Hectic, rooroo (yes you read that correctly), and TSH as town.

rooroo? O.O

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i mean i don't hate rooroo's content and considering they haven't done much that's pretty okay for day1 i guess

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i'm down for that

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tfw your top scumread offers themselves to be lynched

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Once again proving that you're just obsessed: I explained that the way he popped in was scummy, not the timing or etc.

'the way he popped in'

bruh

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your scumread on him started _welll before_ any of the further stuff you mentioned occurred

and it persisted even after it was obvious he was genuinely busy

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being accused of tunnelling people is not something new to me

because when i'm actually tunnelling it's not something i even try to hide

you just keep responding worse and worse to everything i say. this isn't a tunnel, you're just hanging yourself

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I don’t like the rob/clidd team analysis in 363 but I need to chew on it more before I decide if I want to vote there

PB, why would rb panic about your lone vote on clidd?

He didn't panic, that's the thing. I didn't even vote clidd, I just called his pop up scummy, and that was enough for rb to jump on me and never let me go. That's the brilliancy of their hatchening, it's subtle, but powerful. But it make sense; rb had to make up an excuse to vote me and try to antagonize me, and they called me out because "out of the three making the same joke, PB hasn't provided anything". Read the first pages again and tell me what fucking sense that actually makes.

if you see 3 people doing a lot of shitposting and out of them there's one who is doing nothing but that, while the other 2 are providing pertinent analysis and showing attempts to actually the game: what's the conclusion you draw from this?

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man the idea that scum!rb would not just bus a teammate like clidd

so little respect for my great big bussing boner =[

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attempts to actually the game is now a phrase i will use often

thank you, to me, for making me aware of this phrase

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Thanks for being respectful clidd, I appreciate that. I'll disengage, I really don't want to get toxic. Sorry you had to roll scum with rb

No, I am just being respectful towards you. If I really do engage here, you will probably feel extremely offended.

????

That's what I said, thanks for being respectful. Is that a fucking threat?

i think he means that if he said what he was really thinking you'd probably be offended by it

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i know this because he told me to tell you that he meant this in our scum PT

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CSF what are your top3 preferred lynches

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does anyone have meta with PB that can tell me if they're always this prickly

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hmm, why Aaron? I townread them

PB obviously i'm fine with

Amrun i have no real opinion of so again like whatever

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for mechanical reasons, i'm not much of a fan of lynching slots that are null to me on day1 in this particular game

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idk, they entered the game and did the right thing by putting down a vote and giving their opinion on the most apparent wagons/interactions

i want to see more of them

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both Hectic and CSF have a number of questions and thoughts in between their shitposting

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okay

VOTE: TSH

choo choo more TSH votes

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i would have thought that a highly active player that i was fairly confident was scum would be very likely to be black flag

i actually scumread TSH but have been keeping it under wraps because i want to look for associative tells and lynch, well, not the scum that I think is very likely to be black flag scum.

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but maybe that's too ambitious and lofty a goal and i should just lynch who i think is a likely scum rather than the most likely white flag scum

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ftr i think TSH very likely flips red, but that if they flip red they are like 100% certainly the black flag scum

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both Hectic and CSF have a number of questions and thoughts in between their shitposting

Show them to me. I want you to show what you mean by meaningful content.

man, this is so lazy i can't even

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like it's literally on pages 3/4 where Hectic are asking people questions of people, trying to clarify people's meanings and providing content.

you're just being a fucking nuisance insisting that i 'show them to you' when you no doubt have a functioning pair of eyeballs

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TSE, why was your first thought that Looker was putting one scum in each of those categories, save for one? What gave you that impression?

I'll just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in

villagery
-mm

wolfy
-csf

null
-mm

Why is 16 a townie post?

wait

there's hydras in this game

Yes, but I'm not a hydra to be clear

TrueSoulHustler is the only hydra in this game

genuineness
-mm

Genuine how? Tone?

I will just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in.

VOTE: Creature because he has the most votes.

This is a weird sequence of posts.

Why was this post not accompanied by a vote?

Par exemple

VOTE: AaronFrost

Why do you think that interaction between me and Hectic is SvS, TSE?

all of these are good rvs-timeframe posts

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both Hectic and CSF have a number of questions and thoughts in between their shitposting

Show them to me. I want you to show what you mean by meaningful content.

man, this is so lazy i can't even

No, I read it, I read early game, and I didn't find any meaningful content, so maybe we have different opinions on what meaningful is, or you actually tried to justify something and now have nothing. "This is so lazy", fucking do it, prove your fucking point.

alright, we can policy lynch PB at literally any point in the game and i'm totally down for it

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wouldn't even surprise me if both PB and TSH were scum

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Thanks for proving your point tho

man can we just fucking lynch this

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hectic had obviously thought about the setup and what constitutes optimal early game lynches

his joking is not just joking, but reveals that there's more than a surface-level amount of thought gone into how he's approaching the game

it'd be very hard for scum hectic to do this and keep it up for the duration of a game, and make it seem even remotely authentic. the two competing reads on hectic are that he's absolute galaxy-brained scum or more likely, he's just a town player playing the game and who has thought about the mechanics

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Thanks for proving your point tho

man can we just fucking lynch this

whats with this buildup on my and tses wagon and then just fixating on pb?
-mm

almost as if i scumread PB or something

and since you're just trolling and posting gifs, i really have little to say other than that it proves you're not trying to solve the game at this stage

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i'm also pretty confident i can push through a lynch on your slot at any point, and i've been flip-flopping about whether i worry about which flag is being lynched myself.

either/or i don't really care

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hectic had obviously thought about the setup and what constitutes optimal early game lynches

his joking is not just joking, but reveals that there's more than a surface-level amount of thought gone into how he's approaching the game

it'd be very hard for scum hectic to do this and keep it up for the duration of a game, and make it seem even remotely authentic. the two competing reads on hectic are that he's absolute galaxy-brained scum or more likely, he's just a town player playing the game and who has thought about the mechanics

I agree, but this was not the case when you voted me at the begining of the game. It happened later.

no, it happened in the first 5 pages

he continued it

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Thanks for proving your point tho

man can we just fucking lynch this

whats with this buildup on my and tses wagon and then just fixating on pb?
-mm

almost as if i scumread PB or something

and since you're just trolling and posting gifs, i really have little to say other than that it proves you're not trying to solve the game at this stage

i post one gif and you classify that as trolling?
genuinely what?
ive posted my thoughts so dont try and toss me aside and ignore what i have said thats unfair bullshit
-mm

sorry that your hydra partner sux i guess

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Nope, only post #78, already checked. The rest was a post saying he went to a flag convention, saying he dislike grayscale flags, etc.

omg i really hope you're scum because this is fucking excruciating to explain

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the entire premise of the way Hectic is posting makes it obvious, whether any individual post is a joke or not, that he has been thinking about the setup and optimal lynch

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holy fuck someone kill me why does this even require explanation

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i don't even know who MM is

but whoever you are

your scum AtE game weak

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If your going to pressure me and vote me because of a thought I had.
Then fine.
But don’t think of it as an instantly scummy post.
You can say “I don’t like that”
But vote me because of a simple thought process isn’t right.

-TSE

Well what the hell.
Why not.
Clidd can be IC.

-TSE

Also, why does that make clidd an IC?

From his previous posts.
It makes him above rand town.
Which I’m calling an IC for now.
Can I not do that?

Also what’s the case on my slot again?

-TSE

I don’t track your slots’ reads

Like the early townlean on looker for his first post. The thought process and tone in Looker’s post there is pretty NAI

And reading me and Hectic as SvS and then the backtracking by saying it’d be “funny” if we were SvS as opposed to something you believed

Again, I don’t necessarily agree with the Townlean MM had.
Also, I’m not MM so I can’t speak for him.

As for the SvS. It’s a Hot Take. Not an actual read.
Hot Takes are like “Lol what if this is the case” kinda thing.
So I’m case there was confusion there, my apologies.

-TSE

honestly these 3 posts alone are enough to powerlynch TSH without a second thought

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grrr I'm so angry because I'm town grrrr

congratulations you have adequately explained literally the only reason anyone in this game is currently TR'ing you

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the entire premise of the way Hectic is posting makes it obvious, whether any individual post is a joke or not, that he has been thinking about the setup and optimal lynch

Not true, only post #78 had some actual content and no just plain joking

please be scum

please be scum

do you know what this setup is? it's an open game

NOW LOOK AT HECTIC'S POSTS

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mad ting none of those are my posts
-mm

yeah, sorry that your hydra partner sucks

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man why do i even play mafia anymore

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grrr I'm so angry because I'm town grrrr

congratulations you have adequately explained literally the only reason anyone in this game is currently TR'ing you

I don't see anyone townreading me, but sure rb, you're doing great

Obsession, by Pinko Raballe

you literally have done nothing but 'scumread' clidd

and respond basically only to me in this game, and have like, no other reads or interactions to speak of

and apparently i'm obsessive



i wish i knew how to not get annoyed by bad faith arguments like this when i know that it's basically the entire premise of mafia

but i still do

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holy fuck

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an element of unprecedented density has been discovered

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and im gonna go fucking kill myself, bye

/replace

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lmao at pink ball saying they were trying to disengage while interacting literally with only me

get fucked

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what a bunch of fuckin bullshit

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calling me obsessive when your only fucking content is with like two slots the entire game while im interacting with like almost every slot

F U C K O F F

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hurrdurr rb ur being rude to me by pointing out that im literally doing nothing but shitposting and voting a lurker hurhrurhrir

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god i fucking hate people

talking about pink ball obviously

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Like it's pretty obvious they wanted to hate me before even I could give them reasons to

what insane paranoid shit is this?

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you can just look at hectic's posting re:flags, and see that even when joking they are clearly thinking about optimising lynches etc. and sure it could be faked but it doesn't even really make sense for scum to commit to doing that for an entire game. that's an exhausting commitment to have to try and fake for an entire game

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just stating for the record in an entirely non game-related context that i have no actual fucking clue who pink ball is or is supposed to be, and haven't got the slightest clue why they think i "wanted to hate them"

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Right now I'm down to vote for Pink Ball or TSH.

Pink Ball's early game posting style, while annoying to read, is probably NAI. However, I didn't love their clidd vote and liked their unvote even less.

TSH I was null on until like pg 12 when they got super defensive over Amrun's vote. The whole 'not liking posts' vs 'scummy posts' is dumb too, since not liking someone's post sort of implies that you're leaning scum there, which is a good reason to vote someone IMO and

he's using it as an excuse not to vote anyone.

VOTE: TSH

vote count 1.10

TrueSoulHustler (3)

: Hectic, Cat Scratch Fever, Amrun

Creature (2)

: Uncrowned, Blatant Scum

rooroo (2)

: AaronFrost, Looker

Pink Ball (1)

: rb

Amrun (1)

:

TrueSoulHustler

Blatant Scum (1)

: Creature

not voting: Rooroo, clidd, Pink Ball

but they are voting someone?

They weren't before they voted Amrun

they had a vote in their 3rd post

i mean i agree they're scum but this isn't why

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also i asked you to show where i apparently was rude to you, and your response was me snarkily disagreeing with you about a read

and literally nothing else i said was even remotely rude

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don't worry, i do hate you