Open 771: Pollock's Flag [endgame!]

[AaronFrost]

Sup

[AaronFrost]

[AaronFrost]

hi am durnk asn aldo a black flag scum lol;

VOTE: rooroo

The truth comes out when you're drunk

[AaronFrost]

I wouldn't say obsessed... but I don't mind coloured flags!

Can I offer you a rainbow flag

[AaronFrost]

{rooroo | AaronFrost | rb} - the kids who take band table

Funny enough I was actually in band in high school

[AaronFrost]

I will just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in.

VOTE: Creature because he has the most votes.

This is a weird sequence of posts.

[AaronFrost]

Why do you think that interaction between me and Hectic is SvS, TSE?

I’m saying it’d be funny if it was.
Because how he lined it up for the image you gave.

-TSE

You said 'hot take, CSF and Hectic are svs' which sounds less like a joke and more like a serious accusation

[AaronFrost]

of the 3 people perpetuating the "rushing in" jokes, pink ball is the one who isn't actually playing game

hectic and CSF are joking and playing game at same time

pink ball's probably scum, hectic and csf probably town

What makes you think their joking comes from town over scum?

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: AF

This follow up was weirder though.

I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here

[AaronFrost]

Hey sorry been busy lately. Will catch up later today.

[AaronFrost]

ooooo, good idea, Bla.

i would like everyone to post their favourite flag please. this is very important. i will reveal towniness/scuminess levels corresponding to each flag after everyone has posted.

[AaronFrost]

Hey, Aaron, my Aaron. Was this an RVS vote? Or did you simply see nothing else worth voting before this?

RVS. Why?

[AaronFrost]

of the 3 people perpetuating the "rushing in" jokes, pink ball is the one who isn't actually playing game

hectic and CSF are joking and playing game at same time

pink ball's probably scum, hectic and csf probably town

What makes you think their joking comes from town over scum?

becauae they're just copying other people's jokes and not playing mafia

it's two levels removed from even playing the game

just joking around, and worse, not even original so it's not even possible to maybe read them by tone

This makes a lot of sense. I think PB is gonna be hard to read if he keeps up that posting style.

[AaronFrost]

Now that I'm released from my burden:

Tomorrow i'll post my reads.

Coming back to this, this popup was like newbscum wanting to say something out of pressure.

VOTE: clidd

This feels like a huge reach

[AaronFrost]

Right now I'm down to vote for Pink Ball or TSH.

Pink Ball's early game posting style, while annoying to read, is probably NAI. However, I didn't love their clidd vote and liked their unvote even less.

TSH I was null on until like pg 12 when they got super defensive over Amrun's vote. The whole 'not liking posts' vs 'scummy posts' is dumb too, since not liking someone's post sort of implies that you're leaning scum there, which is a good reason to vote someone IMO and he's using it as an excuse not to vote anyone.

VOTE: TSH

[AaronFrost]

Right now I'm down to vote for Pink Ball or TSH.

Pink Ball's early game posting style, while annoying to read, is probably NAI. However, I didn't love their clidd vote and liked their unvote even less.

TSH I was null on until like pg 12 when they got super defensive over Amrun's vote. The whole 'not liking posts' vs 'scummy posts' is dumb too, since not liking someone's post sort of implies that you're leaning scum there, which is a good reason to vote someone IMO and

he's using it as an excuse not to vote anyone.

VOTE: TSH

vote count 1.10

TrueSoulHustler (3)

: Hectic, Cat Scratch Fever, Amrun

Creature (2)

: Uncrowned, Blatant Scum

rooroo (2)

: AaronFrost, Looker

Pink Ball (1)

: rb

Amrun (1)

:

TrueSoulHustler

Blatant Scum (1)

: Creature

not voting: Rooroo, clidd, Pink Ball

but they are voting someone?

They weren't before they voted Amrun

[AaronFrost]

I keep rereading TSH's posts, and I'm not seeing the "defensiveness."

285 reads like coming from town who feels like they've been unfairly accused and think they're being pushed by scum.

290 is pretty nuanced. It's also indicative of TSH not kneejerk OMGUS'ing everyone who votes him, i.e. not defensive.

That's not the impressions I got from those posts at all. 285 especially felt like a kneejerk reaction.

I don't get why he understands Hectic and your votes on him but not Amrun's?

[AaronFrost]

Something about TSE's posting style feels clunky and hard to read as well and it's not a posting style I've seen him use in other games before

[AaronFrost]

rb is definitely town here

[AaronFrost]

What’s your read on rb and PB, tsh?

rb's weird switch of focus off me was bizarre and especially how they half avoided the question when i called them out for it, nullscum maybe cus im tempted to pass it off as them being stressed
pb is a bit of a wildcard, their clash with rb seems a little bullshit since they both got very very close to ad hominem attacks right out the gate of their interaction, if rb is to be scum they

might

be as well

ill ping tse and tell them to respond to this post too when they get on
-mm

rb is not scum here, and even if he is, then there is no situation where rb and PB are scum together.

[AaronFrost]

I'll have to take a look at Pink Ball tomorrow since he was another one I had considered voting. I mostly skimmed the last few pages where him and rb were going at each other.

[AaronFrost]

That's not the impressions I got from those posts at all. 285 especially felt like a kneejerk reaction.

I don't get why he understands Hectic and your votes on him but not Amrun's?

285 is him arguing that bad != scummy. Amrun voted for TSH because his posts were bad.

He didn't seem to understand me or Hectic's reasons for voting him at first either until after we explained it.

I think that's objectively wrong though. Like if you're calling out someone for bad posting, then it stands to imply that you're scumreading them. Like you're not gonna say 'yeah their posts are bad but I think they're town' unless someone is like being super toxic or something.

Even so, bad posting is enough to warrant a vote early game.

[AaronFrost]

I'll be mostly V/LA tomorrow, maybe be able to check in at night

PEDIT: weak townlean on Amrun

[AaronFrost]

Something about TSE's posting style feels clunky and hard to read as well and it's not a posting style I've seen him use in other games before

What pings you as off exactly?
My “scum read (-) Bad Read” Post?

I think it's just the way you format your posts.
Your format them like this.
The sentences don't flow much.
And the thoughts don't either.

Like it's probably nothing, but I don't recall you ever using that posting style before so it's kind of throwing me off a bit.

[AaronFrost]

I'll be mostly V/LA tomorrow, maybe be able to check in at night

PEDIT: weak townlean on Amrun

Townlean?
Question.
Do you believe Hectic, CSF, RB and Amrun are all Town/TownLean?
As they have all shown interested and have or still is voting me.

-TSE

rb!slot i'm strongly leaning town on, don't have much of a read on Hectic or CSF and Amrun I got weak townpings from but I can't remember why. I'll ISO her in a bit.

[AaronFrost]

I keep rereading TSH's posts, and I'm not seeing the "defensiveness."

285 reads like coming from town who feels like they've been unfairly accused and think they're being pushed by scum.

290 is pretty nuanced. It's also indicative of TSH not kneejerk OMGUS'ing everyone who votes him, i.e. not defensive.

That's not the impressions I got from those posts at all. 285 especially felt like a kneejerk reaction.

I don't get why he understands Hectic and your votes on him but not Amrun's?

No huh?
Look at it this way.
Hectic and CSF Voted me for different reasons.
Amrun didn’t.
They just joined on the wagon to increase Numbers.
They were in no means actual applying any pressure.
They claim it’s my “Reactions” if I remember correctly.
Although when they voted me they barley mentioned any of that.
So would you care where your Townlean on Amrun comes from?
Because if it comes from their vote on me. Then the Townlean shouldn’t be there.

So like, do you think each and every single person who votes you needs to have a completely unique reason for placing your vote there? Because that's not usually how wagoning people works.

You say it didn't add pressure either, but your reactions to her votes tells me otherwise.

[AaronFrost]

Now, changing the subject: @AaronFrost @Amrun can i see a brief read about associatives with TSH ? I'm still reading his ISO, to determine my position. My effort is still low, so it will probably take time.

Are you asking me to try and determine who TSH's partners are? If so then I'm not gonna attempt that right now. I don't like doing pre-flip associations unless there's something clear.

[AaronFrost]

@TSH

I'm not sure I get your point about Amrun joining your wagon without reason.

Does everyone need to have a unique, independent reason to join a wagon? Is it inherently scummy behavior from your point of view for someone to join a wagon as a reaction to what other players are saying/doing? I find often I myself piggyback off of others' thoughts when I find it's something I actually align with after listening to their thought process. So, I'm not sure what you're seeing here.

Wow Uncrowned put this better than I could have lmao

PEDIT: Ninja'd by a duck

quack

[AaronFrost]

Something about TSE's posting style feels clunky and hard to read as well and it's not a posting style I've seen him use in other games before

Completely agree with Aaron here. Feeling really good about TrueSoulHustler-scum. I wouldn't read too much into them being a black flag, since I don't think their early game and recent AtE was designed to look scummy and attract a lynch.

I was thinking about this earlier and wondering what the likelihood of scum sacrificing their black flag is? Obviously they probably wouldn't do it Day 1 unless they absolutely had to, but I think the odds of the black flag being bussed at some point are pretty high, which means that we should be on the lookout for that if we get a black flag flip first.

[AaronFrost]

Honestly, TSH looks much more like a joker card than necessarily a specific alignment. It is almost as if he wants to be lynched.

This could be a case for them being the black flag, going back to my theory/setup spec.

[AaronFrost]

TrueSoulHustler (5)

: Hectic, Amrun, AaronFrost, woodchuck321, clidd

I actually kinda like this wagon comp

[AaronFrost]

Aside from that, I also agree with Aaron (I believe it was Aaron, lol) who mentioned that Blatant's vote of Creature was sort of weird, given his posts prior to that. He's sort of self-aware about it, so it's hard to gauge. I'm still leaning it as slightly scummy behavior, though.

I don't think that was me actually

[AaronFrost]

Why pressure something that’s already pressured?
You can’t apply air to air.

-TSE

She was like the third(?) vote on you at that point. It takes 7 to lynch, two votes isn't a lot of pressure in this scenario. Three is good but still not a lot.

[AaronFrost]

is looker always this lurky? Asking for a friend

Yes, very much so

[AaronFrost]

like you can ask Creature questions and use your vote in a more proactive manner

Have you ever played with Creature before? I doubt we'd get an answer from him any time soon, if ever.

To be fair I've never seen Creature lurk to this extent but he also mentioned being busy irl so that's probably why

[AaronFrost]

Yet you fail to tell me what it is.

-TSE

All you need to do is like, look in her ISO and you'll find it.

[AaronFrost]

Just read a little bit of Micro 918 and still, I see a pattern on town!clidd that I don't seem to find in this game. @Hectic and @Aaron, you were both at that game and you were both town with him, what's your input?

I feel like in that last game he was a bit higher impact than he is here, he feels a lot less memorable, and I feel like I should remember him a bit more here than I did in 918.

I need to reread this game though although I don't know when I can get around to it. I've been pretty busy lately.

[AaronFrost]

I have been pretty transparent with my reads IMO, minus that Uncrowned one.

I think you have been transparent with the ones you’ve given, but you haven’t given many reads.

For Uncrowned, I just liked their re-read. It didn’t feel like they had an agenda. They were seeing what shook out and giving it a go. They didn’t end up with great results but they tried. I did that myself as town in Guns N’ Roses 3. It’s just a towny thing to do.

I think effort wall posts can come from scum, especially when they’re under pressure, and the agenda could simply be to look town to get pressure off of you. One or two effort posts is less town indicative than sustained effort imo.

Granted, but I’m sharing my reads as they come to me.

And of course effort posts come from scum

- but the content of his comes off towny to me is what I’m saying. When scum effort post they usually have a goal - showing progression, etc. uncrowned did not seem to have such an agenda, which seemed to me like he was genuinely searching and just didn’t find.

I disagree with

Bolded

TBH.
Also the way you said that was scummy AF.

@Everyone
Do you see this?

-TSE

What am I supposed to see here?

[AaronFrost]

Apologies for the inactivity, been stressed because of university and was not having a good mental health day yesterday. I'll be around later tonight.

[AaronFrost]

Was TSH actually the white flag? Damn

[AaronFrost]

Good job my dudes! I'll do a reread here sometime tomorrow, I have a midterm to study for.

[AaronFrost]

Currently working on a reread/wagon analysis, stay tuned folks

[AaronFrost]

I started playing Cave Story recently and forgot how great that game was. Hollow Knight will always be my favorite, but Cave Story deserves special attention too.

[AaronFrost]

Some notes/wagon analysis upon doing a reread

- TSH wagon started with Hectic's vote in 203 then CSF joined after so Hectic most likely not scum, and CSF probably not scum.
- Amrun's vote/TSE's subsequent reaction indicate that they are not scum vs scum.
- I hopped on the wagon so I'm obviously town (and by that I mean feel free to analyze my vote on the wagon however you will)
- Uncrowned tried to start a wagon on Creature, and BS hopped on. 320 was a little weird as well.
- CSF also defended the wagon after voting there previously, a little sketch if you ask me. Their progression on them in later posts was good though.
- PB also tried to deflect onto rb and clidd after TSH had four votes on them, mostly ignored the TSH wagon.
- rb is definitely town based on interactions with TSH and to a lesser extent PB. Especially true if PB is also scum. Would like to see more from their replacement, but probably won't be swayed from this.
- Uncrowned not joining the wagon and going for Creature instead looks bad. Definitely vanity voting there. He also voted rooroo at a later point.

Definitely still stand by my 606.

Not related to the wagon but clidd's posting was pretty bad on Day 1, however has been much better today. Also don't think they're likely to be partners with TSH anyways.

{Hectic, Amrun, clidd, rb!slot and CSF} are all likely town based on this flip. If scum is on the wagon, they're probably on the end which would be {Skygazer, Uncrowned, PB}

I have no clue what to make of {rooroo, BS}

[AaronFrost]

Yes you replaced rb

[AaronFrost]

@Aaron:

Interesting thoughts on CSF. I actually came into the day suspecting CSF because I remembered them defending TSH more but their thoughts at the end of the day did come off well to me too. I mean, I’d expect a bus at that point anyway, but something about it just came off fine after all.

Feeling good about AF after that.

Why do you think it spews clidd town?

I thought the progression on TSH and the way they were drilling them with questions was genuine. Even thought they didn't actually place their vote until near the end of day, the progression was pretty good.

clidd was one of the earlier voters on the TSH wagon. I don't see scum bussing their grey flag that early in the game.

[AaronFrost]

BS might be black flag, who knows. I think TSH was fighting hard and probably did not plan to get lynched. He obviously wanted to lynch me instead so.

I think whatever team BS is on, he’s not being a cooperative player. I certainly don’t think it was scum plan for BS to post no content and TSH to get lynched. But perhaps they thought TSH could fight his lynch off and BS could just quietly not attract attention. Maybe he’s even white flag! Could see it either way. In fact in hindsight I think that’s more likely.

Or he’s just town red herring. I still think it’s worth discussing.

I think it's worth discussing too.

From my experience with him, BS is a lurker regardless of alignment, so the lurking itself is NAI for him. I'll have to ISO him because I don't really remember much of what he's done to be honest, even on my reread.

Also the more I think about it, I think TSH scum indicates that rooroo is town. There was a counter wagon that started on them right as the TSH wagon started to take off, a counterwagon that felt scum motivated.

rooroo (3): Looker, Uncrowned, woodchuck321

We know Looker is town because they died and woodchuck is spewed town from the TSH flip so that leaves Uncrowned.

[AaronFrost]

First, I don't bus.

Second, I was attempting to get low content slots into the game. It was an early phase and neither Rooroo or Creature had given content with substance. I'd rather not let slots sit by idly and just go for a lynch on what appeared to be obvscum when we can still get valuable information.

Did it work this time? Not really tbh. But if given the option I'd try it again.

I get wanting to get low content slots involved, but you were parked on Creature for a long time. At some point I'd think to myself, clearly my vote on him isn't doing much to produce content from him, I should go somewhere else. Instead you parked on him then switched to him at a time when a TSH lynch felt inevitable.

[AaronFrost]

@Aaron

If I was concerned about the timing of my switch looking suspicious, I wouldn't have done it at all. I'm a very self aware player.

My ultimate problem is that you expressed some concern over TSH but never actually voted them until they were going down. Up until then you just pressured elsewhere, mostly low content slots.

If I wanted to stop my partner from getting lynched, low content slots would be the place I'd pursue.

[AaronFrost]

I feel like I’m reading clidd’s post upside down, while drunk.

Honestly same.

Like seriously why are people offering themselves up to be lynched? We only need one more scum and we win. Chill the fuck out and scumhunt.

[AaronFrost]

Hmm, there's a chance I'm wrong on clidd being town here. He's being defeatist in a way that feels kind of gambit-like/WIFOMy. Definitely not what I expect from town!clidd, but on the surface it seems like a weird play for scum that can backfire easily.

In the meantime, we need content out of this guy.

VOTE: Blatant Scum

[AaronFrost]

Well, my vote is probably not going to change. Feel free to follow Plan B (which includes the lynch policy), or vote on me.

But like what exactly does town gain by your self vote?

[AaronFrost]

Plan B for Blatant Scum?

But why self-vote if town gains nothing from it?

[AaronFrost]

what do you think of my townreads?

well i disagree that TSE spewed amrun town considering their penchant for bussing i mentioned earlier (also looker SR'd amrun heavily and i'm still trying to figure out whether or not the NK points towards amrun naturally or was designed specifically to point towards amrun if that makes sense)

Maybe TSE would bus Amrun if he's getting heat, but I doubt scum!Amrun would bus her grey flag unless she really felt TSH was a liability and the rest of her team could carry it out.

Plus the snap reaction to Amrun's vote followed by Amrun's reaction to their reaction doesn't look like bussing.

[AaronFrost]

Honestly really feeling like we should just lynch Blatant Scum here. Best case scenario, he's scum, worst case scenario, we get rid of a town liability that shouldn't live until lylo anyways if we reach it. If that doesn't win us the game, then we look into Uncrowned tomorrow.

[AaronFrost]

Is he being replaced? I don't remember seeing that

[AaronFrost]

Creature’s in this game?

creature flaking might be the most compelling scumcase against skygazer imo

I don't think Creature flaking has anything to do with alignment.

[AaronFrost]

That's L-1; admittedly, I am kind of tempted to hammer. Correct play is to wait... but that's boring.

Spoiler: Intent Flag but not actually Real Intent

Honestly, I'm okay with you, or anyone really, hammering here. I don't think we need to overthink this one too hard, we only need to lynch one more scum and we win. If this flips town, we look into Uncrowned/PB/Skygazer tomorrow but I'm feeling like lynching in that pool of three just wins us the game if this lynch doesn't.

[AaronFrost]

Good that was my plan

[AaronFrost]

What's the story between these two VCs?

Right now my first instinct is rooroo scum.

rooroo was a counterwagon to TSH (who flipped grey flag) that didn't end up going anywhere and felt really scum motivated to me.

Right now my pool to lynch in is {BS/Titus, PB, Uncrowned, Sky}

[AaronFrost]

@Aaron, Why does your lynchpool include only one of the people on rooroo if you felt it was a scum infested wagon? Why is woodchuck off your list? Shouldn't you be tunneling Uncrowned because that would win the game if you are right?

Looker was killed and flipped town, woodchuck replaced rb who I think was spewed town because of interactions/tunnel on TSH, so that leaves Uncrowned. I was also fairly certain on BS being scum but lack of resistance there has been sketching me out.

Are you interested in an Uncrowned wagon?

[AaronFrost]

I'm more than willing to lynch anyone in my pool today.

[AaronFrost]

If rooroo is town, I would be. I am uncertain if the black flag scum exists as a counter tbh. Black flag scum being lynched is more favorable.

It throws a bit of a wrench looking at votes. Scum would accept a TSH lynch before their white flag though.

How certain are you on rooroo scum right now based on the VC? Like I could see scum sacrificing their black flag on like Day 2 or 3, but I'm not sure if they would Day 1.

If it was to save TSH though then maybe but I'm not too confident in that theory right now.

[AaronFrost]

Yeah can we not use the r word? Thanks

[AaronFrost]

PB, I hope you're okay and this doesn't deter you from playing in future games or anything like that. If it means anything, I've enjoyed your presence in this one.

^^^^^

[AaronFrost]

@Titus

If rooroo is town, I would be. I am uncertain if the black flag scum exists as a counter tbh. Black flag scum being lynched is more favorable.

It throws a bit of a wrench looking at votes. Scum would accept a TSH lynch before their white flag though.

How certain are you on rooroo scum right now based on the VC? Like I could see scum sacrificing their black flag on like Day 2 or 3, but I'm not sure if they would Day 1.

If it was to save TSH though then maybe but I'm not too confident in that theory right now.

[AaronFrost]

I'm not gonna bother trying to read whether clidd's behavior is scum or not because shitty/toxic behavior is hard for me to read. I'm just gonna hope Chemist makes that slot's alignment obvious soon.

[AaronFrost]

Why does Clidd post to demoralise town and draw attention to himself like that while town!you is getting lynched? You're implying his recent posts were faked frustration?

Scum don't win if only I am lynched. They have to run a gauntlet.

Eh, I'm not sure whether you actually believe this. Clidd faking frustration and trying to demoralise others, rather than being genuinely frustrated (whether he's scum or town) seems quite farfetched.

It sounds like something you're latching onto but isn't actually scum-indicative, and is probably more town-indicative than anything imo (unless clidd is exactly scum with you).

(A withering flower towered over by a glowing sunrise... on a Flag)

What makes you think that frustration can't ever come from scum? Scum are in a pretty bad spot right now only needing one of them to go down in order to lose, so frustration from that end is possible.

[AaronFrost]

I think Titus dies today for predecessor + strange clidd is faking frustration to demoralise town theory. Like, I get Pink Ball scumreading the slot since it could be scum frustration, but suggesting the frustration was faked for strategic demoralisation I really don't get.

I see where Titus is coming from, but I don't think it's fake frustration. We know scum are in a tough spot right now, and if that scum is getting pressure when their lynch will end the game, then yeah it's possible they could get frustrated.

[AaronFrost]

I think Titus dies today for predecessor + strange clidd is faking frustration to demoralise town theory. Like, I get Pink Ball scumreading the slot since it could be scum frustration, but suggesting the frustration was faked for strategic demoralisation I really don't get.

I see where Titus is coming from, but I don't think it's fake frustration. We know scum are in a tough spot right now, and if that scum is getting pressure when their lynch will end the game, then yeah it's possible they could get frustrated.

Yet you're still leaving me in hammer range because?

I swear every vote on me is apathy + predecessor which gives scum ample room to hide.

Because you saying it's faked frustration is kind of ehh when the frustration could also easily come from town. I'm unsure of which side it comes from at the moment.

Also you're complaining that people are voting you based off your predecessor yet you're kinda doing the same thing?

[AaronFrost]

Because you saying it's faked frustration is kind of ehh when the frustration could also easily come from town. I'm unsure of which side it comes from at the moment.

Also you're complaining that people are voting you based off your predecessor yet you're kinda doing the same thing?

With regards to your Chemist vote.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Uncrowned

Still relatively confident in this

[AaronFrost]

I lowkey may have forgotten about this game momentarily. Whoops.

What's the VC at?

[AaronFrost]

I'll go Chemist since that's what Titus wanted and he hasn't done much to redeem the slot

[AaronFrost]

Well since nothing is happening this day phase, let's make something happen. I'm hammering.

VOTE: Chemist

Normally not my style to hammer without announcing intent but I think we need this flip. I'm also bored.

[AaronFrost]

It was, I counted. 9 alive, 5 to lynch.

Are you fucking kidding me, why I'm still alive

VOTE: Chemist

VOTE: chemist

I still think Uncrowned is probably town.

Guys you can discuss this in your scum thread ty.

Anyways

Baaaaaa.

VOTE: ChemChem

VOTE: Chemist

Well since nothing is happening this day phase, let's make something happen. I'm hammering.

VOTE: Chemist

Normally not my style to hammer without announcing intent but I think we need this flip. I'm also bored.

[AaronFrost]

That sure would be a

Hectic

lynch

[AaronFrost]

Here's where we're at with the TSH wagon at the end of D1.

vote count 1.18

TrueSoulHustler (7):

Amrun,

AaronFrost

,

clidd

, Skygazer, Uncrowned,

Cat Scratch Fever

,

Pink Ball

Skygazer (3)

:

Blatant Scum

, Hectic, woodchuck321

Amrun (3)

: rooroo,

Looker

,

TrueSoulHustler

not voting:

This phase ends in (expired on 2020-02-18 08:00:00)

mod notes: quack.

Initially thinking it was Uncrowned/PB team but PB's town flip threw that out of the window. I think Sky/Uncrowned are most likely to be scum on the wagon if scum was on the wagon in the first place.

Amrun and woodchuck are most likely town due to associaitions (woodchuck mostly because of his predecessor).

Hectic and roo are in the unsure pile. Hectic kinda started the TSH wagon but then switched off somewhere which looks bad, but not sure if scum does that. roo I just have no idea.

I'll try voting this for now. May do a proper readthrough at some point, but right now this is where I'm at.

VOTE: Skygazer

[AaronFrost]

[AaronFrost]

I need to give this game a proper readthrough again now that we have some more flips to work with.

Regarding Hectic, he's currently in my unsorted/unknown pile, which may change on a reread. I just lost to scum!Hectic recently, so now I know I can never trust him again

[AaronFrost]

fwiw i thought the tsh lynch was objectively terrible and i would like never lynch that iso on d1 in this setup though
and csf had doubts too and flipped town

I... what? We literally hit scum and you're trying to justify it as a terrible lynch?

[AaronFrost]

I was one of the main people to push TrueSoulEnergy and make him spew scum in the first place, Amrun. It's only towards the end I started having second thoughts because he looked TOO scummy. What changed your mind about this now, rather than on any of the previous days?

This is why I'm unsure on Hectic because yes his end of D1 is bad, but his vote started the TSH wagon. Although you saying that you made TSE spew scum is disingenuous when he did a pretty good job of that himself.

Basically I'm torn between whether this is scum!Hectic who didn't intend for the TSH wagon to get as much steam as it did, or town!Hectic who was really unsure of his read there.

[AaronFrost]

It does feel like weird play surrounding his gray flag though, like if scum!Hectic wanted to divert elsewhere, why wouldn't he do it sooner once he realized more people were hopping on.

[AaronFrost]

It does feel like weird play surrounding his gray flag though, like if scum!Hectic wanted to divert elsewhere, why wouldn't he do it sooner once he realized more people were hopping on.

Distancing gone wrong is my theory

I'll have to look at it closer upon a reread.

Also legitimately surprised you're still alive, felt like you came out of that TSH lynch looking obvtown. These have been some weird ass night kills...

[AaronFrost]

Dead game

[AaronFrost]

Alright so I decided to sit down and take a look back at the play surrounding the TSH wagon

@Hectic @rb, can i see your reads ?

Bla and Cat Scratch Fever are townleans. Surprised by the lack of analysis from Clidd, but it's early days, so I'll give him time. Oh, right, you're Clidd lol. Amrun nullscum? Mostly from how her tone feels off this game. TSE also a scumlean for some weird questioning/theories so far. rb's townish for sorting through the memery. Liking Pink Ball based on that clidd read just now. Looker nullscum because she usually has more to give by 175.

VOTE: TrueSoulHustler

This post from Hectic started the TSH wagon, doesn't feel super committed to it though? He had Amrun, Looker and TSE as scumleans and TSH was the one he chose to vote so I could see this being distancing. I have decent scum meta on Hectic now and I think I've seen him do this kind of distancing on his partner before? I'll double check.

It’s not hard to suggest something like this.
I understand maybe your not liking the fact of me thinking of that I believed it to be someone’s form of PoE.
But is it Scummy that I took the brackets to have a literal meaning?
I didn’t feel as it was random.
As now I can see it was but I thought it was there like “ima make brackets and see how I do”
Kinda thing.

-TSE

If your going to pressure me and vote me because of a thought I had.
Then fine.
But don’t think of it as an instantly scummy post.
You can say “I don’t like that”
But vote me because of a simple thought process isn’t right.

-TSE

TSE's reaction to Hectic's pressure. He feels sort of neutral here, kind of like 'eh okay no big deal' and pushes back a tiny bit, but not too hard. Compare that with his reaction to Amrun's vote, which I'll get to later.

Huh?
But you didn’t even play if it’s scummy or not.
And WDYM Merit a Vote?
I haven’t voted anyone.
Are you saying that for someone not liking a thought I had and voting me is a good thing?
Maybe to get a clear read on me or get reaction sure.
But to scum read someone for it isn’t right, and you even said it’s early game and low content.
So you just straight out put a vote on me?
Seems to me like your just being opportunistic.

VOTE: Amrun

-TSE

Compare that to Amrun's vote where he clearly feels the pressure coming down and gets very defensive despite her reasoning not being all that different from Hectic's. He's pushing back a LOT more here

[AaronFrost]

Here is scum Hectic playing around his partners (Egix and Wimpy) in a micro I recently modded. He does a lot of distancing/bussing here.

Here is scum Hectic in a game that just ended, not as much distancing here, still some okayish partner interactions (insomnia was his partner) but a lot less willing to bus.

Could be the start of a potential trend here. In the micro, there were 3 scum, in the mini normal there were two. Maybe he's less willing to distance if he only has one partner vs if he has two. We'd need more data to see if this is actually a trend, but this is just an observation I've noticed.

If he's scum here, he's probably the white flag (or whichever flag causes the game to end immediately I don't remember) which is irrelevant but eh.

[AaronFrost]

sigh

[AaronFrost]

Yeah I could definitely see Hectic being scum, more than I thought originally.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Hectic

Tired of this game stalling

[AaronFrost]

Ok I've skimmed the full gmae. I have now spent over an hour on this game and will officially be irritated if you mislynch me for my efforts.

All in on Aaron town. I was speaking about AvP with Tom, and was laughing at how hilariously bad Ali's draft was. I said "why the fuck would you draft Aaron", and Tom said something to the effect of "Aaron self admittedly sucks at scum". I believe also dislikes it? And I don't think that scum!Aaron buses his Grey Flag partner day 1. It would mean he would have to endgame, on top of some other natural posting.

Let's see if I can go all-in on anybody else. Still unsure.

I was asking myself that all throughout that game

I hate playing scum and think I'm much better at playing town. Also I don't bus unless absolutely necessary.

UNVOTE:

Liking Eddie's catchup

[AaronFrost]

Yeah Eddie's catchup was pretty townie. Probably gonna just wait for his solve since I feel like my reads have been vastly off this game.

[AaronFrost]

Actually

VOTE: rooroo

This is probably scum, and if it isn't then it shouldn't live until lylo

[AaronFrost]

I am not planning on hammering, I think Amrun is a better lynch today.

Sorry man but I really don't think Amrun is scum, and if I'm wrong then there was some well planned scum theater going on D1.

TSE's 285 in particular and some of his reactions thereafter felt like a blatant snap OMGUS reaction which didn't read like scum theater to me.

[AaronFrost]

Your slot has been a hard null all game so if you could make your alignment obvious that'd be cool.

Also starting to warm up to the idea of Amrun being scum. Its 230 am so I'm going to sleep, so I'll discuss more when I wake up.

[AaronFrost]

I have a list of notes in this game I'll post if people want me lynched so if you are afraid of me faking these notes then enter your opinions on me asap

Not entirely sure if I want you lynched but I'd appreciate some of your thoughts regardless

[AaronFrost]

so wait

who thought i was scum and then decided to end up going with my plan to lynch rooroo?

pre susp

i think it was aaron? not 100% sure need to look back

Was lynching rooroo even your plan? I don't remember. I would not have wanted rooroo in this lylo though so I stand by lynching them, I just wish we'd done it earlier in hindsight.

[AaronFrost]

Rooroo Amrun
Rooroo Sky
Rooroo Wood
Rooroo Uncrowned

Amrun Sky
Amrun Wood
Amrun Uncrowned

The possible pairings that Eddie believed to be true, on the surface, looks real bad on Amrun. Looking back at Amrun's play yesterday, I'm not super impressed with it. He believed we should either lynch rooroo/Amrun in any order, or Skygazer/Uncrowned in any order. I feel like he's right somewhere and maybe lynching Amrun just wins us the game?

[AaronFrost]

Actually could i get a full proper readslist from you

woodchuck > Oka/Sky > Amrun > Uncrowned from towniest to scummiest with "towniest" being used lightly here, since a lot of those slots haven't been super townie

PEDIT: Not yet, I need to do some rereading

[AaronFrost]

He's been such a non-presence and his play has been extremely lackluster based on what I'd expect from town him. Also has some bad associations with the scum lynch.

[AaronFrost]

Semi V/LA until Monday

[AaronFrost]

I support an Uncrowned lynch. Will be around later tonight if anyone wants to talk.

[AaronFrost]

Hey I'm here I'll be reading some of Oka's analysis shortly but I'm leaning towards Uncrowned/Amrun being the pair.

[AaronFrost]

Alright Oka can be town for his 1833. I want reads from both Amrun and Uncrowned.

[AaronFrost]

Oka and wood you guys around?

[AaronFrost]

hello

I think your Amrun case makes a lot of sense

[AaronFrost]

Yeah I agree that's why I want them to give reads, specifically how they read each other and also how they read your replace-in.

Uncrowned feels so disengaged here compared to that one town game I played with him but that could just be a factor of being irl busy.

[AaronFrost]

Ok so Oka/wood team is impossible. Not sure if Uncrowned is gambitting here but I'm going to assume he isn't given it'd be a dumb move in this gamestate. That rules out Uncrowned/Amrun.

So that really only leaves

Oka/Amrun (very unlikely)
wood/Amrun (much more likely)

PEDIT: Son of a...

[AaronFrost]

I know Oka I just need to think about this for a minute

[AaronFrost]

So yeah based on how this day has gone the teams are exactly Amrun/wood and Oka/Uncrowned

VOTE: Amrun

Please dear god let this be right

[AaronFrost]

ducky i see you online

[AaronFrost]

HOLY SHIT I WON A LYLO

[AaronFrost]

Shoutout to Eddie Cane for making me see the light when I came to Amrun

[AaronFrost]

Shoutout to Eddie Cane for making me see the light when I came to Amrun

*when it came to Amrun

[AaronFrost]

I'm very curious to see the rationale behind Amrun and rb's D1 play

[AaronFrost]

Woodchuck you played very very well for a new player. Like you had me pretty snowed there in lylo and if this was a blackflag game, I think you could've won it all. With a few more games you can become a very deadly player, better than most players on site tbh, you have potential.

^ echoing this