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It is a basic mistake to theorize in advance of the facts.In post 183, Pink Ball wrote:Now that I'm released from my burden:
Coming back to this, this popup was like newbscum wanting to say something out of pressure.In post 91, clidd wrote:Tomorrow i'll post my reads.
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I would like you to explain this supposed ''pressure'' scenario.In post 183, Pink Ball wrote:Now that I'm released from my burden:
Coming back to this, this popup was like newbscum wanting to say something out of pressure.In post 91, clidd wrote:Tomorrow i'll post my reads.
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Ok.In post 197, rb wrote:
my reads are already given?In post 191, clidd wrote:@Hectic @rb, can i see your reads ?
maybe you should read the game-
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Hum, meaningless.In post 193, Pink Ball wrote:Pressure: "I should say something or people will suspect me for being quiet". Self pressure is a thing-
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It would be the opposite: why not ?In post 195, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Are you all caught up? Why ask these two?In post 191, clidd wrote:@Hectic @rb, can i see your reads ?-
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Alright, good.In post 124, rb wrote:of the 3 people perpetuating the "rushing in" jokes, pink ball is the one who isn't actually playing game
hectic and CSF are joking and playing game at same time
pink ball's probably scum, hectic and csf probably town-
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I'm not used to being actively involved in the front pages.In post 203, Hectic wrote:
Bla and Cat Scratch Fever are townleans. Surprised by the lack of analysis from Clidd, but it's early days, so I'll give him time. Oh, right, you're Clidd lol. Amrun nullscum? Mostly from how her tone feels off this game. TSE also a scumlean for some weird questioning/theories so far. rb's townish for sorting through the memery. Liking Pink Ball based on that clidd read just now. Looker nullscum because she usually has more to give by 175.In post 191, clidd wrote:@Hectic @rb, can i see your reads ?
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Intuition probably.In post 205, Hectic wrote:
if we're playing this game: why not ask anyone else?In post 202, clidd wrote:
It would be the opposite: why not ?In post 195, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Are you all caught up? Why ask these two?In post 191, clidd wrote:@Hectic @rb, can i see your reads ?
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Yes, i am. No soy sospechoso, deja de hacer túneles.In post 206, Pink Ball wrote:Whait, clidd, are you spanish?-
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I can prove that it was not a sporadic comment, if you want.In post 199, Pink Ball wrote:Generally entirely wrong seems like an hyperbole just to prove a point without backup
But what do you think about the first pop up, rb? I know I shouldn't be looking at the join date to get a read, but damn it's too tempting-
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It's more a matter of intuition, followed by curiosity.In post 211, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Because one of them already gave reads when you asked this question, and I want to know why you asked them specificallyIn post 202, clidd wrote:
It would be the opposite: why not ?In post 195, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Are you all caught up? Why ask these two?In post 191, clidd wrote:@Hectic @rb, can i see your reads ?-
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I would understand if your read involved the numerical fact of my posts, considering my low participation. However, this assimilation of a reactive point that, supposedly, classifies me as a potential scum for posting in a certain period of time, disregarding external factors, is quite strange and far from being consistent with a reflective intention, as you seem to believe. In others words, it would be clearer if your pseudo-pressure were carried out in a clearer way, without being overshadowed by the suggestive bias I felt coming from the vague explanation accompanied by your vote.In post 272, Pink Ball wrote:
You don't understand my sense of humor and that's fine.In post 260, rb wrote:also can we note that pink ball's only apparent scumread is someone they then unvoted for them "speaking spanish"
and then vote pink ball who continues to flounder and provide no content of any worth
thanx
And you're tunneling me, that's fine too.
'Cause saying I have no content, while the gamestate is not content full at all, is just plain stupid. Whats your content other than "calling me out" and antagonizing me? Whats rooroo's content? Whats clidd's content (before I pushed him)?
You just have something on with me, and the worst of it is that you are wrong.-
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Privacidad.In post 330, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:damn clidd, do you work in academia or something?-
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No, I am just being respectful towards you. If I really do engage here, you will probably feel extremely offended.In post 375, Pink Ball wrote:Thanks for being respectful clidd, I appreciate that. I'll disengage, I really don't want to get toxic. Sorry you had to roll scum with rb-
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Good morning.
I believe that due to the conflict of interests yesterday, brokered byandRB, it was not possible for a significant development of the other players, in general, considering the semi-monopoly generated by the heat of the moment. The conclusions of both sides, looking at it from a third angle, were not intended to contribute to the resolution of the game, but to win an argument, compounded by personal involvement and intense chemical reactions each time a post was answered. It is important to emphasize that, given the nature of this game, the effort applied in a possible scenario in which the two protesters are, in fact, partners would not be justified, especially by the archetype that this type of strategy proposes. So,Pink BallandPinkballbeing in the same scum team is extremely unlikely, if not impossible under the current circumstances.RB
However, to fully understand the progress of the facts, I will give my opinion on this case:
Initially,In post 103, Pink Ball wrote:clidd pop up was pretty scummy thowas looking for some read that would allow an opening window out of the random voting stage, consequently, increasing the accuracy of the information that he would eventually gain by doing this, something that, in particular, I believe to be correct given the sporadic peculiarities of the first day. This would explain the actions in posts 9, 14, 20, 22, 34, 56 and 102, considering that he did not yet have a horizon to be based on, therefore, spontaneously manifested interpersonal traits of his behavioral pattern. I made a comparison with the beginning of the gamePB'' Open 745 [Game Over] ''and'' Micro 840 '', where these characteristics are manifested in a similar way (he was town in both), distancing himself, for example, from the game'' Newbie 1903 [Game Over] '', where there was a bigger concern in the initial phase (he was scum).
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The internal motivation to putIn post 124, rb wrote:of the 3 people perpetuating the "rushing in" jokes, pink ball is the one who isn't actually playing game
hectic and CSF are joking and playing game at same time
pink ball's probably scum, hectic and csf probably townas a scum was probably generated by an interpretive peculiarity, not necessarily the vote on me. This was clarified by the second post, in sequence, that characterized it as an initial speculation.PB
In this post there is a great theorization far ahead of the observed point, suggesting a twist of the facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. There was no explanation of how the '' pressure '' index was measured, nor how it would necessarily lead to the scenario which I would post just for '' posting ''. Evidently, although the intention was to point out an eventuality outside the scope encompassed by the perception ofIn post 183, Pink Ball wrote:Now that I'm released from my burden:
Coming back to this, this popup was like newbscum wanting to say something out of pressure.In post 91, clidd wrote:Tomorrow i'll post my reads.
VOTE: clidd, very little was developed to support this read and, possibly, get it out of the superficial sphere. As background material, I would suggest seeing my two complete games (PBNewbie 1980/Micro 918) for a better base.
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In post 193, Pink Ball wrote:Pressure: "I should say something or people will suspect me for being quiet". Self pressure is a thingIn post 194, Pink Ball wrote:And clidd appearing just when I mentioned him? LolIn post 375, Pink Ball wrote:Thanks for being respectful clidd, I appreciate that. I'll disengage, I really don't want to get toxic. Sorry you had to roll scum with rbIn post 445, Pink Ball wrote:So TSH is black flag, rb grey flag and clidd white flag, got it
As part of the supposed logical sequence established by an ideal scenario that, unconsciously, tries to confirm theIn post 460, Pink Ball wrote:Goodnight everyone, hope to interact with town tomorrow! Reminder to see clidd's threats like the scummiest thing I've seen in this game, maybe in the entire mafiascum history!hypothesis, these posts ends up reducing a large part of the possibilities to theoretically adapt to the previously proposed read. In other words,PBends up not noticing, but his vision slowly begins to close, moving away from the rational and judgmental scope, as he adopts a more closed and direct posture to the psychological security of ensuring his point of view. It is interesting to note that it occurs independently of alignment, so this phenomenon can be associated with both:PBtown mindsetandscum mindset, depending on the analysis.
In post 462, rb wrote:
please be scum
please be scum
do you know what this setup is? it's an open game
NOW LOOK AT HECTIC'S POSTS
The behavior exhaled by typing has significant emotional evidence, demonstrating a deep dissatisfaction and anger after engaging in conversation withIn post 494, rb wrote:calling me obsessive when your only fucking content is with like two slots the entire game while im interacting with like almost every slot
F U C K O F F. I do not believe that they would actually be able to simulate a natural chemical disorder and transmit it via text, just as it is unlikely thatPB's reactions would be premeditated to gradually increase the other party's emotional factor.PB''no, unlikely.Scum team? ''''possible, but remote.Opposite alignments? ''''it is the most likely hypothesis, in my view, at least for now. This reminds me of the collision I had with a player, in a past game (which I mentioned above). In the end, we were both town. The post that starts the brief conflict isTown alignment both? ''59.
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Well, this is a basic summary that gives the initial conclusion:
Town, but incredibly stunned. It is still a viable lynch if we consider the selective elimination policy. Of course, it would be interesting to avoid this.Pink Ball:
Lock-town, demonstrated consistency in making their emotional conditions explicit.RB:-
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Actually, in aIn post 847, Uncrowned wrote:@Cat
I ended with Clidd as weak town because, although I agree with PB that the opener was kinda scummy, and the lack of scumhunting, he's still shown flashes of effort that *seem* townie. For instance, I ended up agreeing with the towncasing he gave of both PB/RB and I think if he were scum, he could've taken a much different route to handle that situation.scumscenario, I would have pull more aggressively against PB, in order to shape a wagon to lynch him. Then, I would justify the fact that I was not killed by the mafia as a kind of frame, allowing me to choose another misslynch for the second day. On the third day I would probably be lynched, but at that point two would be already lynched incorrectly. Before this, I would be sure to guide my partner to distance himself from me, and to be antagonistic to my reads. The other would be congruent. That way, after my fall, both would be able to fight for a healthy endgame.-
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I didn't understand what a hypothetical scenario has to do with it.In post 855, Pink Ball wrote:If you know about the three flags, you know that your analysis in post #850 is invalid, right?-
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To be honest, if there is something invalid in the game, or rather, in theIn post 855, Pink Ball wrote:If you know about the three flags, you know that your analysis in post #850 is invalid, right?forum, it is your reasoning process.-
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I believe that I would not need to mention the white flag factor, considering that it is explicit that this decision making would not work with it. Even in the white flag scenario, the sides would only reverse, without any conflict. I don't see the parallel you tried to build with my ability to infer from setup information. If we consider the archetype of the micro in which I played, there were much more specific and difficult to assimilate particularities than here, which are only 3 general conditions. In that situation, yes, it was justified to go deeper into the mechanics, mainly to clear up possible doubts (as I pointed out at a certain moment). But here, no, it is only about the association between three members.In post 893, Pink Ball wrote:
To answer your question, even with the free shade...In post 859, clidd wrote:
I didn't understand what a hypothetical scenario has to do with it.In post 855, Pink Ball wrote:If you know about the three flags, you know that your analysis in post #850 is invalid, right?
You said you would guide your partner(s) to distance themselves from you so when you get lynched, they both would be able to fight for a healthy endgame. That would be the case in any mafia game, but in this particular game, where it depends which mafia you're lynching, the game would be over if you're the white flag mafia, so your behavior could be different from a normal scenario.
So for a player who tends to over analyze the game setups as town, not only your hypothetical is not relevant for this game, but it seems weird that you didn't think about that.-
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Hum, stalker.In post 898, Hectic wrote:Clidd, I want you to know that you have a secret admirer. I won't specify whether you've played with her but she's starting a fanclub about you. I'm not even kidding in the slightest.
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The change in the last few minutes, I was reading you as TR.In post 991, Hectic wrote:
lul, about what, clidd?In post 990, clidd wrote:Plus: I am disappointed Hectic.
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Arg.. Too much information in my head. I believe I will follow your vote here, Hectic. That move of yours, near the end, was extremely risky considering thatTSHwas already underway. It is not something thatscum! Hecticwould consider doing. When I have more time, I will consider developing the associations I designed yesterday in my notebook.-
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Hum, the ideal scenario would be to split two votes into separate wagons, and one in the main. Or two in the main and only one out. In any case, there is, as a rule, at least 1In post 982, the worst wrote:scumin the TSH wagon.
If I have to do a quick guess, I would discardPB,CSFandUncrowned. The pool to lynch would beSkygazer,AaronFrostandAmrun.-
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