Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Let’s play mess with the scum scums.
Such a fun game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Apologies. I have to leave for the day. I should be able to get online for a little while tomorrow.

Booooo!
You Suck!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Sure, it's likely there's one scum on the wagon (and I think it's Pops), but there's equal likelihood of scum outside the wagon as well; so "vote within the wagon" is incorrect.

This applies to the Egix wagon because it doesn't seem like a scum generated push; it was an entirely reasonable wagon. And that's strengthened by the fact that flipped Masons scumread him too.

Why are you ignoring the actual argument for looking on the lynch?

Vote Pops then.
Or are you chicken?

Ba Cookck!

Remember this Suji :3.
Don’t forget when you come back online!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Sure, it's likely there's one scum on the wagon (and I think it's Pops), but there's equal likelihood of scum outside the wagon as well; so "vote within the wagon" is incorrect.

Wrong. If you are town and not on the Egix wagon, there is a 100% likelihood that scum is on that wagon. The other two players off the wagon could be town, so there is a <100% chance of scum being on the wagon, therefore the likelihood of finding scum on the wagon > the likelihood of finding scum off the wagon numerically speaking.

This applies to the Egix wagon because it doesn't seem like a scum generated push; it was an entirely reasonable wagon. And that's strengthened by the fact that flipped Masons scumread him too.

This argument has no relation to whether or not there is scum on the wagon numerically speaking.

1) this is why I Bolded it sweetheart.
Learn to use you brain not your toes.
Auro was saying that there is probably 1 scum in the wagon but there is more outside of it.
Like we have a better chance of lynching scum outside of the wagon.

IDK how in the actual FUCK you thought he said there was no mafia at all on the Egix wagon.

2) maybe it has no relation. But the wagon was the right town push. Don’t you fuckin dare say it wasn’t.
In fact, Auro’s reasoning there was Townie enough for you to at least actually point that out.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'd like to point out that the only argument made against me or Sujimi (as far as I can tell) has been an argument of BoP, and no one in this player list has played a significant amount of games with me, and from what I've seen, no one has played a significant amount of games w/ Sujimi, this seems a bit ridiculous FMPOV.

WRONG.
I’ve played a game
With Suji with them being Town and 1 with them Mafia.

This is 100% in their scum range.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE stop calling me sweetheart.

Ok sweetheart.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'd like to point out that the only argument made against me or Sujimi (as far as I can tell) has been an argument of BoP

No. Suji's reasoning has been bad, her pushes have been bad, her actions have been scummy. This is not a BoP argument.

I agree with this 100%.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'd like to point out that the only argument made against me or Sujimi (as far as I can tell) has been an argument of BoP

No. Suji's reasoning has been bad, her pushes have been bad, her actions have been scummy. This is not a BoP argument.

Her most recent reasoning seems in line with a relatively logical approach to the game. I'll have to look closer at her pushes and her actions, but I don't know that I've seen anything I dislike from her more than I dislike from Klick.

Klick’s Town.
You won’t manipulate us.


We are the SUPERSQUAD


TrueSoulEnergy - Mister Galactic Mastermind
Klick - Electrical Current
Auro - Swift Deity
CSF - The Alpha Cat


Together we are the SUPERSQUAD

We all acknowledge each other as town.
And we won’t be manipulated by scum.
We will take down scum and take this win!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What does that even mean? I'm calling out bad reasoning based on the bad reasons, not on playstyle, you're making little sense.

Yet you still believe their town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

We have a NEW TEAM OF MASONS ON THE BLOCK!!!!

It’s Me, Auro, CSF and Klick.

And we’re a lot stronger then the original.
We are the SUPERSQUAD!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What does that even mean? I'm calling out bad reasoning based on the bad reasons, not on playstyle, you're making little sense.

It's not bad reasoning though. O_O

Why do you think that?

Spoiler:

I know who you are. Your Blood Wiplasher.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@TSE: there have been towntells from the slot; and from the way she posts I don't feel like her reasoning is outside townrange. In your experience, have they been reasonable/sensible as town such that this current gameplay is suggestive of scum?

More like they acted like this in their last scum game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Pops Defence on Suji.
ML’s vote on a Mason with Suji

I think town!Suji is pretty sensible as a player, her attack on Aldehyde was bad. Read the case about "leading questions". Read my response explaining how context explains those questions and his unvoting a few posts later weakens the case. Then read her response saying "agree to disagree" or something like that.

It was early in the game for me, and I was trying to establish my reads. I did not read you as Town at the time of your comment, so I took in what you said but I did not wish to debate it. You were correct in that trying to form associations was not the best for this type of game as I took associations as Mafia when they ended up being Masons. This is why I said I was mistaken in my process and I needed to re-evaluate (which I still do). This game has moved extremely quickly for me, and I am busy on weekends. Please allow me time to catch up either tomorrow or Monday.

Why did you think Auro was scum as opposed to town who disagreed with your read?

Welcome Alpha Cat.

To the SUPER table.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Electrical Current (Klick) and Swift Deity (Auro)
Are part of our SUPER SQUAD
So Alpha Cat, now that all 4 of us are now the new Masons.

Who is most likely scum out of Suji, Blood Wiplash, Pops and Chemist?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Soon in time the rest of the Villians will get their names.
Chemist, Pops and Suji.
What should their Villian names be I wonder.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

More like they acted like this in their last scum game.

When you say "like this" can you go into specifics if possible?
Do you have a towngame of theirs to compare?

No.
That’s why I’m more confident on Suji flipping Mafia now compared to Blood Wiplasher.
Because I can compare Suji but not Blood Wiplasher.

The only game I was in with Blood Wiplasher they were third party scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@ML: I'm not saying that one scum is likely on the wagon is fallacious, but implying that you hunt in the wagon while not lynching outside is.

Why is that the case?

If you're going to do any sort of VCA, Sujimi's approach is the only logical one I can see from here.

You'd have to townread Sujimi though to take this approach. Do you townread her?

No, I don't.
I only have to townread myself. I am not on the wagon, therefore there is guaranteed to be scum on the wagon.

Do you not understand Blood Wiplasher?

The way you went about it you can only be two things.

Town that Town reads Suji
Mafia
Town being really dumb this game

Choose ONE!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I could also townread Chemist.

You could also claim Scum and self vote.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I could also townread Chemist.

You could also claim Scum and self vote.

I know your thinking about it.
It’s YOUR CHANCE TO SHINE!
GO GET EM BLOOD WIPLASHER!
YOU GO GIRL!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I could also townread Chemist.

You could also claim Scum and self vote.

I know your thinking about it.
It’s YOUR CHANCE TO SHINE!
GO GET EM BLOOD WIPLASHER!
YOU GO GIRL!

No but it all seriousness.
Why TF did you stop posting?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@ML: I'm not saying that one scum is likely on the wagon is fallacious, but implying that you hunt in the wagon while not lynching outside is.

Why is that the case?

If you're going to do any sort of VCA, Sujimi's approach is the only logical one I can see from here.

You'd have to townread Sujimi though to take this approach. Do you townread her?

No, I don't.
I only have to townread myself. I am not on the wagon, therefore there is guaranteed to be scum on the wagon.

No the argument was whether there was exactly 1 or more than 1 scum on the wagon. If you think there's only 1 scum on the wagon, then it's easier to lynch off wagon, since the pool is smaller and you yourself are in the pool and can immediately take yourself out.

Funny part is though.
Blood Wiplasher (ML) is showing resistance to this so much.
Yet Swift Deity (Auro) still Town reads them.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Swift Deity (Auro)

I'm curious, why that nickname? Is this a reference to something?

IDK I just choose what came to mind when thinking about you so far.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@ML: I'm not saying that one scum is likely on the wagon is fallacious, but implying that you hunt in the wagon while not lynching outside is.

Why is that the case?

If you're going to do any sort of VCA, Sujimi's approach is the only logical one I can see from here.

You'd have to townread Sujimi though to take this approach. Do you townread her?

No, I don't.
I only have to townread myself. I am not on the wagon, therefore there is guaranteed to be scum on the wagon.

No the argument was whether there was exactly 1 or more than 1 scum on the wagon. If you think there's only 1 scum on the wagon, then it's easier to lynch off wagon, since the pool is smaller and you yourself are in the pool and can immediately take yourself out.

I see what you're saying. I'm entertaining Sujimi's approach right now while I try and ISO her to see if I can validate it, mostly because I enjoy being able to take complicated problems and boil them down to numbers, but I guess this might have been what Auro was saying earlier, in that practically speaking I'd have to town read Sujimi and Chemist in order to truly subscribe to only observing the wagon.

If that's what you were trying to get across Auro, I apologize.

I mean if you’d read my first post about it.
You might have understood it better.

If you are truly a hero and not a Villian, Blood Wiplasher.
Then prove it.
Show Swift Deity that he’s right about you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

By better I mean faster.
:/.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@ML: I'm not saying that one scum is likely on the wagon is fallacious, but implying that you hunt in the wagon while not lynching outside is.

Why is that the case?

If you're going to do any sort of VCA, Sujimi's approach is the only logical one I can see from here.

You'd have to townread Sujimi though to take this approach. Do you

townread her?

No, I don't.

I only have to townread myself. I am not on the wagon, therefore there is guaranteed to be scum on the wagon.

I like Sujimi's approach and questions so far. She's at the very worst null, the only hesitation I have about her is that certain suspicions from her seem to be directed towards players who are confirmed town at this point.

What’s Null to you exactly?
So your at their very worst then?
Because you said you don’t Town read them but you don’t scum read them but the very worst is Null.

Is there another read I’m forgetting!!!????

Do you Third Party Read them!!??

[TrueSoulEnergy]

WE ARE THE SUPERSQUAD!
AS SUCH WE NEED TO ALL VOTE SUJi!
LET’S GO TEAM!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Also for some reason it takes all Town to be able to lynch scum.
Mainly why I want a Suji lynch today.
As I don’t think ML or Pops will vote it.
Suji also won’t vote Pops or ML.

So it’s pretty much GG once town realizes that we win here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

We win once Auro/CSF/Klick

All acknowledge each other as Town.

And vote Suji with me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Auto realizes it.
I need to make sure Klick and CSF do too.

As I think PoE wise Suji never flips Town here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I also reviewed CT/Pops again, and I admit it wasn't as clearing as I thought it was. Pops scum also makes sense with Suji scum.

Suji, Pops, Chem? Not confident on Chem but I think Klick is townier than him so

It’s Chem or ML.
Based on my final PoE.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The posts about Aldi's are irrelevant. The way Aldi's arrived at his TSE town read was awkward and supports Suji's stance on him, IMO. Your disagreement over assignment of meaning to the word "weird" is merely that: a disagreement. I don't see how she's really pushing Auro at all in the place where you accuse her of doing so, and ending a conversation when it is no longer fruitful is a good thing to do and something I've regularly done as town. All I really see in that "case" is a list of misrepresentations, and I'm not really certain why you would do that considering I'm town reading you.

You shouldn’t.
It wasn’t awkward.
What? Because he worded it the way you didn’t like it made it wrong?
It’s the conclusion that matters.
The steps to get there don’t really matter.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Like even if one of the things you called Suji out for doing was anti-town or scum indicative, I've seen all of them come more from town than from scum, which gives even less weight to this argument.

In his recent Scum game.
He demolished town.
He was legit the towniest slot in the game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Let me preface this by saying that single game meta is a bad sole reason to town or scum read anyone in a mafia game outside of early day 1, and especially in potential Mylo. That said, I skimmed Suji's recent scum game and recent town game and found too few similarities between either to support a scum read on them except in the most dire circumstances. The scum game bring used lasted only 9 days and seems to be a mechanically run game - a game where posting a mere 30 times in 13 pages isn't really a whole lot to write home about, and a game where a player who seems to not be making much of an impression at all will likely fly mostly under the radar. In addition, Suji's posting in that game seem to be largely concerned with her scum buddy, with mastina coming up in roughly 70% of her posts. I don't see a correlation here with her and cheeky. In fact, she mentions Cheeky almost not at all. Combine this with the fact that her most recent town game she also posted largely like this - the only notable lacking factor from my skin is that she's less aggressive and controlling in this game - could be explained by a plethora of reasons. Fearmongering over Suji's play in this instance does not seem like a good move to make, especially when there are 9 days left to allow a more reasonable approach to make an impact.

Town!Suji
Generates a new push after a misslynch.
Nuff Said.

(Look at Nomination Mafia to see what I mean)
In that game it was a true view on their town Playstyle.
And I don’t see that here.

And you saying META doesn’t
Matter means your not Ace Teir.

Someone who’s Ace Teir knows that certain players seem more Townie regardless of alignment and others known as “weak players” (like Egix) are seen more scummy regardless of alignment.

Where someone like you thinks Townie Posts And Scummy Posts are all there is to it to reading something

WHICH IS WRONG!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Combine this with the fact that her most recent town game she also posted largely like this - the only notable lacking factor from my skin is that she's less aggressive and controlling in this game - could be explained by a plethora of reasons.

What were the similarities? I can take a look myself later

Posting that engaged a larger majority of the player base vise her "only my scum buddy matters approach in her scum game" higher posting frequency (a small thing to take into account, however, given the size of her scum game). Additionally, I believe she had day chat with mastina in her scum game.

Yeah but your forgetting Mastina had a Mafia role that Auto Died At the end of day 2.
No matter what.

So that entire thing you just stated isn’t valid

AT ALL

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Logically Suji should be pushing someone today.
But they defend instead.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The posts about Aldi's are irrelevant. The way Aldi's arrived at his TSE town read was awkward and supports Suji's stance on him, IMO. Your disagreement over assignment of meaning to the word "weird" is merely that: a disagreement.

I didn't think Aldi's trajectory on TSE was that odd, although I might be biased because early game I also thought TSE was towny by meta so there was some degree of mindmeld there.

I thought TSE was town from game start as well, but I still think Aldus' change on him felt weird.

I mean Ald was arguably her top scumread at the time, so I'm looking at her reasons to justify the scumread and seeing if the stated reasons match up with her confidence in the read. And I don't think they do

I agree with her that the first quote from Aldus seems to be framing TSE, and in the second he seems fence-sitty.

I’d disagree I’d think Suji was trying to frame me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

By trying to use Ald.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@ML

Do you have me on ignore?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I've read on and off until CT died

I'll probably read it tomorrow? I was at a convention for all of today so I couldn't

What’s your read on Suji so far then?
Without reading this day.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

We’re the SUPERSQUAD!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@ML

Do you have me on ignore?

If I wanted to find the last coherent post from you, I'd have to open a history book, and the last post I've seen you comprehend was possibly even farther back. I've tried to minimize misunderstandings with you and that's proven about as productive as arguing with a two-year-old. On the date where you make a post that seems to understand what a post is trying to say, respond in a manner that displays such comprehension, and add a thought that has more depth than the kitchen sink I will start giving you the time of day again.

Combine this with the fact that her most recent town game she also posted largely like this - the only notable lacking factor from my skin is that she's less aggressive and controlling in this game - could be explained by a plethora of reasons.

What were the similarities? I can take a look myself later

Posting that engaged a larger majority of the player base vise her "only my scum buddy matters approach in her scum game" higher posting frequency (a small thing to take into account, however, given the size of her scum game). Additionally, I believe she had day chat with mastina in her scum game.

Yeah but your forgetting Mastina had a Mafia role that Auto Died At the end of day 2.
No matter what.

So that entire thing you just stated isn’t valid

AT ALL

Logically Suji should be pushing someone today.
But they defend instead.

So these aren’t important enough for you Blood Wiplasher?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The SUPER SQUAD is more POWERFUL then any Masons.
This is the ULTIMATE SUPER HERO TEAM!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Host or someone
Can you re-edit that so the image actually appears?
Thanks.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@TSE: I understand your worry about ML and she's my weakest townread; BUT, every scumlynch affords us an extra mislynch because the setup is nightless. If we're 4T vs 3S, a scum lynch brings it to 4T vs 2S - you can lynch a townslot after that and not lose the game. Right now, though, it's important to get a correct scum lynch!

That’s why my votes on Suji.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The SUPER SQUAD is more POWERFUL then any Masons.
This is the ULTIMATE SUPER HERO TEAM!

How do I
Make this image appear?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The SUPER SQUAD is more POWERFUL then any Masons.
This is the ULTIMATE SUPER HERO TEAM!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Aw.
The word Alpha Cat is sorta cut out.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So these aren’t important enough for you Blood Wiplasher?

The first one is saying something that not only doesn't really counter my point, it just proves you have no clue what I'm talking about.

This is a really mean way to say that mastina is infamous for setting up her scum team after she's dead, and considering the game only lasted 3 days, having a partner there for the large majority of the game is what matters.

Your point about mastina doesn't really apply here.

If Mastina wasn’t a suicidal mafia Suji would have played differently.
So my point does apply here Blood Wiplasher.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Alright. I can see what you're saying there, TBH I forgot that scum have to push town to win here and that was a pretty big factor in Suji case. I'll look more closely later tonight or tomorrow.

TY.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Aw.
The word Alpha Cat is sorta cut out.

And Mastermind.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE, another towntell for Miss Lynch - I think as scum she'd focus more on pushing slots and spreading paranoia over purely defending Suji. She's not making -strong- attacks anywhere else. At maximum, she said Klick had less content and was more likely scum than Suji.

She also accused you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Wow
That was all four shots right?

Wait you were under the impression that scum get only four shots?!

I was, to me that's how it seemed the rules were written.

@Miss Lynch do you think cheeky is scum?

This brightened my day and it hasn't been a great one thanks for this.

Miss Lynch ignores the fact that the timing of Cheeky's woodchuck slot (it was 99% her, or even otherwise, the shot itself no matter who took it) had no relation to the gamestate at the time. Cheeky simply took shots when she thought someone was Mason.

The woodchuck shot had even

less

clear relation to the chuckstate of how clear he was mason, much earlier posts would seem far more relevant for determining he is scum.
I think it makes way more sense to humbly say there was something about the gamestate, but it's not clear without knowing the scumteam.

Yeah this slot needs to die.

VOTE: ML

It’s probably this, Pops and Suji.

Your reads are so good. Did you push Egix to lynch, too?

Didn't you just name Klick and Egix as great candidates for scum just a page ago?

Like no one's to blame for Egix's lynch. Egix being unreadable because of his poor effort at playing the game when he actually can is totally on him.

This is such a scummy way to frame D1. Egix was very much playing.

Without regard to the validity of your point, why do you think I would "know this is a bad idea?" Further, why do you "think town!Suji is pretty sensible as a player?" As far as I recollect, we have not played a game together.

I can infer from your posts, I occasionally check out parts of other games, I've seen you being nommed for Rising Star, etc.

Bad, I stated in this thread that Sujimichi is a goddess amongst the mortals and that data point is more valuable than all these other data points combined because I am a beacon of insights.
smh

Miss Lynch, if you lynch me and I flip town, will you follow my desired lynch(es) in the following days?

Are you willing to sheep my lynch today and then lynch me tomorrow if it flips town?

Why did you say this when we potentially do not have a next phase?

We

mostly

do? If I understand the setup correctly, on a mislynch today, players could race to the thread and yolo-vote one player immediately, possibly achieving a lynch before any scum log on or forcing a scum who isn't the victim to perform a shot (which is doubly dangerous, on a miss both the original wagon target and the scum who missed would die and it becomes a 1 scum game.

I'd like to point out that the only argument made against me or Sujimi (as far as I can tell) has been an argument of BoP, and no one in this player list has played a significant amount of games with me, and from what I've seen, no one has played a significant amount of games w/ Sujimi, this seems a bit ridiculous FMPOV.

I've played with her thrice.

Let me preface this by saying that single game meta is a bad sole reason to town or scum read anyone in a mafia game outside of early day 1, and especially in potential Mylo. That said, I skimmed Suji's recent scum game and recent town game and found too few similarities between either to support a scum read on them except in the most dire circumstances. The scum game bring used lasted only 9 days and seems to be a mechanically run game - a game where posting a mere 30 times in 13 pages isn't really a whole lot to write home about, and a game where a player who seems to not be making much of an impression at all will likely fly mostly under the radar. In addition, Suji's posting in that game seem to be largely concerned with her scum buddy, with mastina coming up in roughly 70% of her posts. I don't see a correlation here with her and cheeky. In fact, she mentions Cheeky almost not at all. Combine this with the fact that her most recent town game she also posted largely like this - the only notable lacking factor from my skin is that she's less aggressive and controlling in this game - could be explained by a plethora of reasons. Fearmongering over Suji's play in this instance does not seem like a good move to make, especially when there are 9 days left to allow a more reasonable approach to make an impact.

If you didn't examine this game closely it is potentially really relevant that that game had a special mechanic where mastina got to be a scum dayvig (which is extremely town indicative in a micro) but was guaranteed to die n2 and flip scum (with no explanation) so I would think that strongly incentivizes you to interact with the scumpartner.

What's an absol?

Absol is a pokemon. It is cosmetically very appealing. Its abilities, at least when it was first released, are underwhelming and don't tie together into the clearest purposes ever which is why I found the question really funny.

@Pops/Chemist: would you vote Suji? If not, why not?

If not why, why not: because you are supporting the lynch
Would you vote for Suji: maaaaaaybe. I don't feel like she's townspewed since early day 1 and I agree that asking for us to look on wagon without even beginning to steer the onwagon crosshairs seems off.
Unlike Egix I don't think this could be bussing-Auro so the more necessary element is for me to possibly be willing to vote Suji is changing my mind about Auro or being assured that he'd be vengelynched for mislynching Sujimichi. Neither seems really likely. Actually the more I think about it it's possible my win condition for this game is posting bizarre things designed to somehow cause Auro to shoot a VT.

Pops, I'm curious - what do you think of my abilities as a town player? I'd like a honest answer. I won't be offended

I think you're like, slightly above average maybe. I think you're not as good at generating a protown gamestate but have good solving.

Auro scumcases Sujimichi

A lot of this is really reasonable and plausible. I feel like I can buy a lot of what is being sold here anytime you're town. Anytime you're scum it's just a good concoction.

Can you tell me, why have you scumread me more than Sujimichi all game when this seems much more coherent than your stances on me?
_________________________________________________________________________

I am feeling way worse about ML's slot today. Auro's defense of her doesn't seem to have as much foundation as it needs. I think maybe there is just an

Auro/Miss Lynch/(CSF>Klick) scumteam.

Lynching Sujimichi into Chemist, as one of the plausible-looking outcomes right now, would be a loss for that.

Ok Pops Confirmed scum.
We’ll lynch them after Suji.


The SUPERSQUAD are all Town Masons.
Galactic Mastermind (TSE) - Swift Deity (Auro) - Electrical Current (Klick) - Alpha Cat (CSF)

You Villains shall feel our power!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VoteCount 1.6

RVS Award for

Huh, Fair Enough

goes to...

Ayy, i dont believe in Rv so i am going to vote mafia, since its towny to vote mafia

VOTE: CloudKicker

CheekyTeeky [4]

- Cat Scratch Fever, Auro, Yshtola Rhul, woodchuck321

TrueSoulEnergy [2]

- Alduskkel, Chemist1422

Auro [1]

- Egix96

woodchuck [1]

- CheekyTeeky

Klick [1]

- TrueSoulEnergy

Alduskkel [1]

- Miss Lynch

Not Voting [3]

- popsofctown, Homura, Klick

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-04 17:42:53)

VoteCount 1.9

RVS Award for

Fair Randomness

goes to...

Vote: Usernamenotincluded

Um, i that's the forum code i learned from another forum, i hope that bolds alright. Points for trying?
Yeah, i don't have a random number generator, so i just punched random buttons in the calculator you can get off the start menu and used the last digit. Since there's 9 people, capricious was both 9 and 0....

Vote: popsofctown

for his biased, shameful, indignant voting system

crap... i realized right after i posted it... Capricious is gonna vote me. But you other 8 got the good end of the stick so you won't vote for me right?
Heh, i'm happy i got my voting right.

CheekyTeeky [3]

- Cat Scratch Fever, Yshtola Rhul, woodchuck321

Homura [2]

- Klick, Auro

TrueSoulEnergy [1]

- Chemist1422

Auro [1]

- Egix96

woodchuck [1]

- CheekyTeeky

Klick [1]

- TrueSoulEnergy

Alduskkel [1]

- Miss Lynch

Egix [1]

- Alduskkel

Not Voting [2]

- popsofctown, Homura

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-04 17:42:53)

VoteCount 1.10

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Hey, everyone!

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Sujimichi [3]

- Klick, Auro, Yshtola Rhul

CheekyTeeky [2]

- Cat Scratch Fever, woodchuck321

Alduskkel [2]

- Miss Lynch, popsofctown

TrueSoulEnergy [1]

- Chemist1422

Auro [1]

- Egix96

woodchuck [1]

- CheekyTeeky

Klick [1]

- TrueSoulEnergy

Egix [1]

- Alduskkel

Not Voting [1]

- Sujimichi

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

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let's talk about these votecounts

Yeah the SUPERSQUAD already did that.

I thought you were reading the game.
Did you forget?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

see that's a level of thinking I'm incapable of at 7:30 AM

I was just thinking "suji was the counterwagon to cheeky so suji is town and klick/auro has a scum"

OK YEAH

I CALLED IT AND IM LAUGHING

POPS, SUJI and CHEMIST ARE OPEN WOLFING AND USING THEIR LAST HOPE AND DEFENDING EACH OTHER!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@ML: I'm not saying that one scum is likely on the wagon is fallacious, but implying that you hunt in the wagon while not lynching outside is.

More and More reason why Auro is Town.

The proof just keeps on coming.

@Mafia (3 out of Chemist, Pops, Suji, ML)
Maybe if you all defend each other you could have a chance.
LOL no, your all fucked.
I just want a laugh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

We win once Auro/CSF/Klick

All acknowledge each other as Town.

And vote Suji with me.

Remember this @Klick and @CSF

[TrueSoulEnergy]

*wash not watch sorry for softing my watcher role i'll try to hide it next game

You know there’s no PR in this so what was the point in doing that?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@ML: I'm not saying that one scum is likely on the wagon is fallacious, but implying that you hunt in the wagon while not lynching outside is.

More and More reason why Auro is Town.

The proof just keeps on coming.

@Mafia (3 out of Chemist, Pops, Suji, ML)
Maybe if you all defend each other you could have a chance.
LOL no, your all fucked.
I just want a laugh.

So Chemist, Suji and Pops are the Team.
Good to know.
We need some Villian Names.

What’s you thinking Swift Deity?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Fun Fact.
I can single handily
Win games.

If there was a game where one players Mayor and they were the only player that can vote and I was that role.
It wouldn’t be a game.
It’d be a TSE Win.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I agree that most energy can be faked by a competent enough player. The problem I'm trying to overcome is whether or not you'd have the motivation to fake it.

All you have to do is believe in the SUPERSQUAD.
If you believe in it your answers simple.

The Villans are Suji, Pops and Chemist.

All you have to do Blood Wiplasher is Vote with us and get rid of these filthy Villains.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Fun Fact.
I can single handily
Win games.

If there was a game where one players Mayor and they were the only player that can vote and I was that role.
It wouldn’t be a game.
It’d be a TSE Win.

do you ever shut up

I like how you respond to that.

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Ayy, i dont believe in Rv so i am going to vote mafia, since its towny to vote mafia

VOTE: CloudKicker

CheekyTeeky [4]

- Cat Scratch Fever, Auro, Yshtola Rhul, woodchuck321

TrueSoulEnergy [2]

- Alduskkel, Chemist1422

Auro [1]

- Egix96

woodchuck [1]

- CheekyTeeky

Klick [1]

- TrueSoulEnergy

Alduskkel [1]

- Miss Lynch

Not Voting [3]

- popsofctown, Homura, Klick

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

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Um, i that's the forum code i learned from another forum, i hope that bolds alright. Points for trying?
Yeah, i don't have a random number generator, so i just punched random buttons in the calculator you can get off the start menu and used the last digit. Since there's 9 people, capricious was both 9 and 0....

Vote: popsofctown

for his biased, shameful, indignant voting system

crap... i realized right after i posted it... Capricious is gonna vote me. But you other 8 got the good end of the stick so you won't vote for me right?
Heh, i'm happy i got my voting right.

CheekyTeeky [3]

- Cat Scratch Fever, Yshtola Rhul, woodchuck321

Homura [2]

- Klick, Auro

TrueSoulEnergy [1]

- Chemist1422

Auro [1]

- Egix96

woodchuck [1]

- CheekyTeeky

Klick [1]

- TrueSoulEnergy

Alduskkel [1]

- Miss Lynch

Egix [1]

- Alduskkel

Not Voting [2]

- popsofctown, Homura

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

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VoteCount 1.10

RVS Award for

Best Randomness

goes to...

The Dart Board gives me a

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Hey, everyone!

Random Vote: Lemming

.

Hey, everyone!

Random Vote: Lemming

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fix your randomizer it is broken

The Dart Board gives me a

vote of MeMe

Fix your dart board. It is broken.

Sujimichi [3]

- Klick, Auro, Yshtola Rhul

CheekyTeeky [2]

- Cat Scratch Fever, woodchuck321

Alduskkel [2]

- Miss Lynch, popsofctown

TrueSoulEnergy [1]

- Chemist1422

Auro [1]

- Egix96

woodchuck [1]

- CheekyTeeky

Klick [1]

- TrueSoulEnergy

Egix [1]

- Alduskkel

Not Voting [1]

- Sujimichi

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

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let's talk about these votecounts

Yeah the SUPERSQUAD already did that.

I thought you were reading the game.
Did you forget?

But not this.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

You're ok with Suji, pops, or Chemist today, Auro?

Why wouldn’t he be?
It’s the Villain team.

Do you want to lynch Pops first (even though I know you probably wanna lynch Chemist first)
Because I really wanna lynch Pops first.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Fine you know what I'm not dealing with another TSE tunnel and I have to take myself out of the PoE somehow

I'm the last mason

I doubt this.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Because I’m the Last Mason.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Because I’m the Last Mason.

VOTE: TSE

Cool

If you're VT this is essentially gamethrowing

Otherwise you just outed as scum

Nah your scum trying to hide behind a Mason Claim.
If your really Mason you would have been shot.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE is probably fakeclaiming but I'm not unvoting until he rescinds

Why would I rescind?
Wanna shoot me for it?

I already have the SUPERSQUAD in tact!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE if you're VT and you don't rescind I hope you know you've lost us the game

I know a mafia when I see it.
I know hesitant to know if I’m truly the mason or not.

The only way to find out Chemist is to shoot me.
If you look at my ISO you can see, that it’s Obvme.

So if you want to take out the best player. How’s your chance to raise your gun and shoot me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Lynch me then, if you're so confident I'm scum

Just lynch TSE after, since he's forcing a thunderdome

SHOOT ME CHEMIST!

DON’T BE SHY!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It has kind of been easy to tell that TSE is a mason for a while, Chemist

You should shoot me too!
Join the fun.

VOTE: Pops

Come on mate. You got this!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The SUPERSQUAD is PURE town!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I also hardclaim Mason :V

Duh.
We’re the SUPERSQUAD!

We look out for one another!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Chemist

this is my easy strat to clear myself as a VT is it working

i dont remember /in to this game what

yeah you /outed lol

VOTE: Homura
because rebellion was a mistake

VOTE: Chemist

this is my easy strat to clear myself as a VT is it working

i dunno can a goon shoot him to check please?

bold of you to assume I’m not a goon

VOTE: TSE

Mason hunting bad

These are all softs

The first one is mostly just RVS shenanigans, but I didn't accuse Aldu of TMI in the second one since we both knew the other was town

And I got mad at TSE in the third one because I didn't want him lowering our PoE

If you really were Town you Reads wouldn’t have been shit.
You wouldn’t have brought up the vote count when the SUPERSQUAD already covered it.

If you want I can search through my ISO and pull up potential mason slips too.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I also hardclaim Mason :V

you better be joking

Because we are Masons.
Don’t you understand.

We are the SUPERSQUAD!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

These are all softs

Why would you be softing Mason?

The first is mostly a joke and the third I could pretend would be something I'd do as VT (and tbh it probably is I just needed to quote something else to activate MQ)

But the second is because it's something I would be pushing Aldu for if I was a VT, and I didn't want to do that because I thought it would've gained more traction than I'd like

Want me to pull up so stuff?
I legit have allot more then that.
Hold up.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

i dont remember /in to this game what

that's because it was like 3 week ago

Are you Town chuck?
Or Mafia?

i dont remember /in to this game what

that's because it was like 3 week ago

Are you Town chuck?
Or Mafia?

i'm serial killer

OMG that’s what I thought you would say.
Your Town for me 100%.

no you should throw me into your town reads because we're mason partners

Shhhhhh.

I'm also more familiar with Chemist than the rest of this list.

So you're saying you two have

chemistry

?

Nice Pun!

I'd vote you if I weren't already voting you.

Why’s that?

We're Masons, so 100% :3
I said before I don't like to distinguish between *strong* and *not so strong* townreads in this setup, but I'll say I'm pretty confident that you're town.

Who’s masons?

VOTE: Egix

I actually feel like this is Mafia.
They panic shot the Mason.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Why did you say this when we potentially do not have a next phase?

It's 5T v 3S, right? So we have one mislynch to burn, assuming scum don't make a correct shot (and I don't think they'll take the risk)

You are assuming that they have not already identified the last Mason and are waiting for an incorrect lynch today to follow up with an immediate shot and a win. We should be playing this day as if it is our last chance, not bargaining in hopes that your assumption is correct.

So scum.
Who do you think the mason is?

Auro smells a bit off. Too much off-topic stuff or jokes.

how much content would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck content?

This is the only post Ald made that talks about Chuck.
I don’t understand how this makes it Masons.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I also had one about Alu.
And something with VT.
I can’t find it though.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chemist you have a cute Absol plushie

Thank you

I mean softing Mason as a Mason is a bad idea, like there's no universe where you'd want to confirm yourself as a Mason because of scum shots

I'd rather slightly increase the risk of getting shot than wagon a partner who's probably better at the game than me

You just scum slipped my friend.
There’s only 1 Mason left.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chemist thinks he has a buddy left.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Fwiw I am also a Mason

Damn right!
Let’s go SUPERSQUAD!

Alright CSF it’s YOUR TURN!

To CLAIM MASON!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Chemist

Whatever

I claimed to get myself out of the PoE so I might as well just die

Or you can vote Pops or Suji.
Your scum buddies.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The thing is that I think Chemist only does what he does as town. I have a difficult time seeing a scum player who thinks they have a chance at pulling a win this game doing what he did the way he did it. I think his actions are the ones of a player who feels as if they have no agency - the actions of someone who is alone, powerless, and feels left behind and targeted with no chance at help.

No. That’s False.

Chemist wasn’t pushed to be lynched.
Suji was.
He claimed Mason as Mafia In hopes to prevent Suji from being lynched and to try and get him out of the PoE.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@ML: or we've nailed the scumteam and they're making a last ditch effort to draw out the Mason by claiming it.

It's possible this is true and I'm over thinking it, but I pops seemed certain TSE was the last Mason. I think the shot definitely show have have gone through if everyone believed it was TSE and then he fell for their bait.

IDC if I’m shot.
I made the SUPERSQUAD!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE and Chemist are both confirmed to be scum because I was the last mason.

I would prefer to lynch their partner this dayphase and move forward from there thank you

Uh no.
Why would be and Chemist EVER be aligned.
You and Chemist are clearly bullshitting out of your ass.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

WTF is Scum legit that scared of me?
LMAOz

[TrueSoulEnergy]

All Hail the SUPERSQUAD!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It has kind of been easy to tell that TSE is a mason for a while, Chemist

Saying this.
Proves Chemist and Pops are scum from their recent actions.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Pops

It’s Pops and Chemist Probably.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE's last two votes have been on me and pops

So

Are you retracing the Mason Claim?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Auro is my strongest Town read.
I’ll never lynch them.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chemist at the very least can I get a reads list with one sentence on each player?

Chemist - Mason
Auro - Has a towny tone and I think he has towny conviction in his reads
Klick - Has been solidly in town meta with the questions he's been asking
pops - Counterclaimed mason

but

in the scenario where it's a fakeclaim there's a lot of town motivation behind it
ML - Have not read very deeply into this slot, could be scum by PoE probably
CSF - Nothing from the slot has really given me towny vibes, and they got pushed by a couple of the dead masons before they got shot
Suji - Don't remember much from this slot, but I didn't really like their catchup that much
TSE - CCed Mason, perspective slipped in 1583 when he said pops and I were "probably" scum, when he'd know we were both scum with 100% certainty if he was really Mason, since we've both claimed it, has no real town motivation behind the fakeclaim unlike pops

What’s the Town motivation.
And I said “probably” because I assume Pops doesn’t have THIS much of a troll Playstyle to fake claim Mason here as Town.
Which is why I think Pops is scum.

If your Mason, (which your not I am.) from your POV Me and Pops should BOTH be scum as from Pops POV they view Me and You BOTH scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE's last two votes have been on me and pops

So

Also.
Yeah.
I said I Scum Read You, Suji and Pops.
Have you been paying attention?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I did Scum Read ML but I’m trusting Auro that they are Town here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chemist at the very least can I get a reads list with one sentence on each player?

Chemist - Mason
Auro - Has a towny tone and I think he has towny conviction in his reads
Klick - Has been solidly in town meta with the questions he's been asking
pops - Counterclaimed mason

but

in the scenario where it's a fakeclaim there's a lot of town motivation behind it
ML - Have not read very deeply into this slot, could be scum by PoE probably
CSF - Nothing from the slot has really given me towny vibes, and they got pushed by a couple of the dead masons before they got shot
Suji - Don't remember much from this slot, but I didn't really like their catchup that much
TSE - CCed Mason, perspective slipped in 1583 when he said pops and I were "probably" scum, when he'd know we were both scum with 100% certainty if he was really Mason, since we've both claimed it, has no real town motivation behind the fakeclaim unlike pops

What’s the Town motivation.
And I said “probably” because I assume Pops doesn’t have THIS much of a troll Playstyle to fake claim Mason here as Town.
Which is why I think Pops is scum.

If your Mason, (which your not I am.) from your POV Me and Pops should BOTH be scum as from Pops POV they view Me and You BOTH scum.

I don't really wanna go into this much detail about this but they're making a reasonably believable mason claim in a scenario that from their point of view, them getting shot instead of the real mason is +++ev for town

Who knows if I had the same thought process uvu

But my CC on you = Confirmed scum
Right?

But so help a later CC is Town Indicative.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Nah let’s me honest.
Me, Klick, Auro and CSF
Are the Masons.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Catching up

Want some Ketchup with that?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Honestly I’m still confused why both Mafia would Claim Masons.
Before AND After me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Auro
Do you still think Suji is the correct lynch here?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yeah Suji is the best Lynch here still.

VOTE: Suji

Mafia will then shoot me after this.
Or if One of Pops/Chemist in some world is fake Claiming Mason.
Then I guess they could also be shot.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Auro
Do you still think Suji is the correct lynch here?

Having Egix and three Masons as her solve is still wild, lol, when save Egix the rest were very towny

Not sure I get what this is saying.
The last part I mean.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Let's see, plug in my current assumptions:

- TSE town
- pops town
- One of Auro/Suji town

That leaves the final town in CSF/ML/Chem.

I think I'd prefer a lynch somewhere in that pile

I would lynch ML.
But Auro keeps saying they are Town sooooo.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yeah I think Suji is the correct lynch here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Klick
Your vote on CSF is BAD.

They are part of the SUPERSQUAD!

Vote Suji or ML.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Why am I starting to shift into a Klick/Pops scum team?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Aw man.
I was trying to form my own Masonary after I lost mine.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think we lynch ML.

@Auro
Based around PoE they seem to be the best lynch given the current game state.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@TSE: Unless you believe {Klick, Pops, Chemist} is not a possible solve, ML is a bad lynch

I think it’s Pops/Chemist, Pops/Klick or Klick/Chemist

Not All 3.
I don’t think they all open wolf here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@TSE:

ML is not a bad lynch, but CSF is better and I'd like to see where it goes.
Can you talk about why you're seeing CSF as town? I can't remember if you have already

CSF has been pushed confirmed by scum.
Plus they haven’t really done anything that I feel could lead to them being scum.
It’s like. It’s more probable ML is scum then CSF IMO.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think CSF is an obvious ML.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

ML as in Mislynch.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I GTG to sleep.
GN.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE is sometimes wrong, but that doesn't mean he's never right. He had a perfect solve in Assassins. Come on now, if you're town you don't need to stoop to that ML.

Yeah man.
Pops/Chemist/Suji
Prob the team.
You don’t need to be like that’s Ml.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

He's calling the whole thing about me v auro as SvT because when you said it it was scummy as fuck and it is also consistently contradictory with your views on the game.

By “he” you better not be referring to me.
Never said such a thing.
I just think via PoE your likely scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

You're taking this angle that something is even less likely to be true than if TSE didn't have an opinion on it at all. That's pretty clearly wrong.

I've found TSE obnoxious in some contexts but it's weird the way you're somehow linking him to an argument that TSE has Insane Cop cleared you in the thread

I maybe bad at communicating.
But I’m great at solving.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Auro is always Town here.
Always locking that slot no matter what.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok I got something.

Pops Scum = 1 of Klick - Suji Scum (Not Both)
ML Scum = CSF always scum


It appears I’m probably wrong on my SUPERSQUAD.
Sad Times.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

actually wait I’m wrong.

CSF = Scum ML
Not Vice Versa.

VOTE: CSF

Town CSF could still be Scum ML.
Scum ML could still mean Town CSF

[TrueSoulEnergy]

UNVOTE: CSF

But then there’s still Suji.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Spoiler: all possible worlds

TSE/Suji/pops

TSE/Suji/ML
TSE/Suji/CSF
TSE/Suji/Klick
TSE/Suji/Auro

TSE/pops/ML
TSE/pops/CSF
TSE/pops/Klick
TSE/pops/Auro

TSE/ML/CSF
TSE/ML/Klick

TSE/ML/Auro

TSE/CSF/Klick
TSE/CSF/Auro
TSE/Klick/Auro
Suji/pops/ML
Suji/pops/CSF
Suji/pops/Klick
Suji/pops/Auro
Suji/ML/CSF
Suji/ML/Klick

Suji/ML/Auro

Suji/CSF/Klick
Suji/CSF/Auro
Suji/Klick/Auro
pops/ML/CSF
pops/ML/Klick

pops/ML/Auro

pops/CSF/Klick
pops/CSF/Auro
pops/Klick/Auro
ML/CSF/Klick

ML/CSF/Auro
ML/Klick/Auro

CSF/Klick/Auro

So, let's talk worldbuilding

I'm starting by striking out all the TSE/pops worlds because I don't think pops's post about TSE being an obvious mason comes from them if they're partnered, and TSE's hardpush on pops today backs that up

1002 is actually a potential townslip, this isn't relevant for worldbuilding, I just wanna bring this up

I think Auro/ML's interactions near daystart aren't s/s because like

it's harder to lock with no daytalk but I don't think scum!Auro townreads scum!ML in that situation

I've literally read 3 pages and

TSE's posts already make me want to stop ugh

Instead of saying the Bolded. (Because your complaint here is irrelevant)
Tell me what you don’t like about my posts and why you view them as scummy.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm not (currently) saying your posts are scummy I just don't like your attitude towards the other players in the game

But if you want a full explanation, let's see

You have no reason to be claiming Mason as VT here, since your intent was clearly to get me lynched, and not to create WIFOM like pops's claim was

You also perspective slipped that I wasn't Mason by saying I was "probably" scum, and it doesn't make sense for you to say if you think I could be VT, or else you wouldn't counterclaim me

I also think you aren't actively evaluating your reads and are just spewing the same thing over and over again

You weren’t the vote?
Suji was....

[TrueSoulEnergy]

ML was the one wanting to lynch you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Hmm. Just in case, lynch Pops if I can't post anymore, please and ty

:/ Shhhh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Spoiler:

see that's a level of thinking I'm incapable of at 7:30 AM

I was just thinking "suji was the counterwagon to cheeky so suji is town and klick/auro has a scum"

OK YEAH

I CALLED IT AND IM LAUGHING

POPS, SUJI and CHEMIST ARE OPEN WOLFING AND USING THEIR LAST HOPE AND DEFENDING EACH OTHER!

@ML: I'm not saying that one scum is likely on the wagon is fallacious, but implying that you hunt in the wagon while not lynching outside is.

More and More reason why Auro is Town.

The proof just keeps on coming.

@Mafia (3 out of Chemist, Pops, Suji, ML)
Maybe if you all defend each other you could have a chance.
LOL no, your all fucked.
I just want a laugh.

So Chemist, Suji and Pops are the Team.
Good to know.
We need some Villian Names.

What’s you thinking Swift Deity?

I agree that most energy can be faked by a competent enough player. The problem I'm trying to overcome is whether or not you'd have the motivation to fake it.

All you have to do is believe in the SUPERSQUAD.
If you believe in it your answers simple.

The Villans are Suji, Pops and Chemist.

All you have to do Blood Wiplasher is Vote with us and get rid of these filthy Villains.

You're ok with Suji, pops, or Chemist today, Auro?

Why wouldn’t he be?
It’s the Villain team.

Do you want to lynch Pops first (even though I know you probably wanna lynch Chemist first)
Because I really wanna lynch Pops first.

Fine you know what I'm not dealing with another TSE tunnel and I have to take myself out of the PoE somehow

I'm the last mason

I doubt this.

Because I’m the Last Mason.

Because I’m the Last Mason.

VOTE: TSE

Cool

If you're VT this is essentially gamethrowing

Otherwise you just outed as scum

Nah your scum trying to hide behind a Mason Claim.
If your really Mason you would have been shot.

yep guys TSE totally didn't wanna lynch me

Never said I wasn’t going to eventually.
Yes you were in PoE.
Yes I probably would have voted you and probably still will after 2 Mafia die.
But at that time I was pushing Suji.
You shouldn’t have felt inclined to believe I was wanting to lynch you today.
It should have been clear my vote was on Suji.

So while I understand your thought here. It’s WRONG.
You need to relook.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

btw pops remind me to talk pokemon with you sometime not during this game

Where did this come from?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

soft-pushes

I mean you've kinda answered your own question

At no point has there been sufficient pressure on CSF to justify a shot.

On that note, it's much more surprising that Chem-scum wouldn't have shot by now.

Not really, he's not really under any lynch pressure anymore as of this post.

Chances are if he’s not scum with Pops he’s probably trying to debait RN.
If he is. Then he’s probably trying to see if I’m
Legit or not.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Where did this come from?

Absol-utely the Absol thing.

Ah ok.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Actually Chem who do you think is scum with TSE?

I don’t think he knows.
He just has a team list that he’s PoEing from.
By the looks of it.

Alternatively, he thinks I’m scum with anyone in the pile LOL.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Actually the timing of pop's push on me didn't feel right; it really took the spotlight off of Suji.

Exactly.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VoteCount 7.0

RVS Award for

Harpooned by a Shark

goes to...

Klick,

Mafia Goon

, who killed himself Day 6.

It is now Day 7. Votes are reset. Deadline remains the same.

Not Voting [7]

- TrueSoulEnergy, popsofctown, Miss Lynch, Cat Scratch Fever, Auro, Sujimichi, Chemist1422

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-10 10:40:24)

Ok yeah.

I was going to check to see who’s Pop/Chemist’s Buddy is.
In a world like that it’s Kkick or Suji.

VOTE: Pops

Confirmed Scum tbh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

High % Chemist is scum and don't ask me why

It’s pops and Chemist.
Games Over.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Spoiler: all possible worlds

TSE/Suji/pops
TSE/Suji/ML
TSE/Suji/CSF

TSE/Suji/Klick

TSE/Suji/Auro
TSE/pops/ML
TSE/pops/CSF
TSE/pops/Klick
TSE/pops/Auro
TSE/ML/CSF

TSE/ML/Klick

TSE/ML/Auro

TSE/CSF/Klick

TSE/CSF/Auro

TSE/Klick/Auro

Suji/pops/ML
Suji/pops/CSF

Suji/pops/Klick

Suji/pops/Auro
Suji/ML/CSF

Suji/ML/Klick

Suji/ML/Auro

Suji/CSF/Klick

Suji/CSF/Auro
Suji/Klick/Auro
pops/ML/CSF

pops/ML/Klick

pops/ML/Auro

pops/CSF/Klick

pops/CSF/Auro

pops/Klick/Auro
ML/CSF/Klick

ML/CSF/Auro
ML/Klick/Auro

CSF/Klick/Auro

Revised for Klick flip

TSE/Suji
TSE/ML
TSE/CSF
TSE/Auro
Suji/pops
Suji/ML
Suji/CSF
pops/ML
pops/CSF
pops/Auro
ML/CSF
CSF/Auro

Mine explaining the TSE/CSF world?
I don’t see it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yeah sure Klick hard-disagrees with all my opinions making me state I lost my townread, tries wagoning CSF and spends considerable effort trying to convince us that she's scum, and keeps driving a "Auro/ML are SvS lol" point when he just accused us of SvT earlier...

I haven’t read Klick for associations yet tbh

Then what’s your read with Me/CSF?

The SUPERSQUAD?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Blood Wiplasher replaces Electrical Currents Spot in SUPERSQUAD!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Been thinking about this for a while - suppose the last Mason isn't in {TSE, Chemist} would it be a wise decision for him to out? No, right?

Not when and if someone who’s faking it can use it to make Mafia think they are Mason.

Alternatively, no.
Don’t out as Mason if your not the 3 Mason claims.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Let's not lynch Pops before giving her a chance to properly gamesolve.

If your sure Ma Auro.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m not unvoting but yeah I don’t wanna see a hammer until Pops gives us their solve here.
If their VT we can potentially use them.
If their goon then LOL who cares.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VoteCount 8.0

RVS Award for

BOOM Headshot

goes to...

Chemist1422,

Town Mason

, who was killed Day 7.

It is now Day 8. Votes are reset. Deadline remains the same.

Not Voting [6]

- TrueSoulEnergy, popsofctown, Miss Lynch, Cat Scratch Fever, Auro, Sujimichi

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-10 10:40:24)

Dang It.
I honestly thought it was Auro in hiding TBH.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok yeah it’s Pops.

Pops is online but not speaking.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Pops

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I really wonder why Klick took the shot. It's very sub-optimal to take a shot unless you're almost lynched.

He probably thought it was just me and was willing to shoot for it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Do you think Cheeky Shot me or you Auro?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Scum Amount: 2
VT Amount: 4
Players Alive: 6

If Pops flips VT
CSF could still be scum but low chance


If Pops flips Scum
CSF is always Town

Suji is prob scum regardless of Pops Flip

ML I don’t think is scum with the Klick flip.

It’s like.
Regardless of Pops flip.
I think Suji is still the best lynch option here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Like Pops and Klick both being scum makes no sense with a “CSF” team world.

However it’s also possible that it’s CSF/ML/Klick.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Let me
Look back at Chemist’s list here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So I removed everything with Me and Auro in it.



Suji/pops
Suji/ML
Suji/CSF
pops/ML
pops/CSF
ML/CSF

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Although I think this is all the same thing

[TrueSoulEnergy]

IMO
This is how I view it.

ML could be scum with anyone but more likely CSF
Suji could be scum with just about anyone
Pops could be scum with ML or Suji but never CSF

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TBH at this point I think we're close enough to solve that the game is effectively won

You're not concerned about any potential deepwolfs? And alternative line of reasoning would suggest that Klick wasn't afraid to die.

I’m to the point where I’m gonna just Lock Town you.

If your scum, so be it.
I lose WP.

But allot of the stuff you have done this game, made me keep town reading you.

Remember when I had doubts on your slot before?
Yeah, your later posts made me put you from like 90% to 110%.

So assuming we just call ourselves Masons here I think this game is won as long as we choose 1/2 of the final scum correctly.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Outside of CSF, no, I don't think you're a deepwolf.
I think it's remarkably unlikely that TSE is a deepwolf.
Trying to consider me likely scum at all after Klick death is stupid. And me saying that will result in people saying that's WIFOM, but there's a point at which yelling mafia terms at people like that is thoughtless and evident of playing on auto-pilot.

Well Pops was the main pusher on CSF wagon. Not Klick.

I think though you and CSF is the most unlikely scenario unless the following occurred:

Klick Votes CSF
ML defends CSF from Klick and Pops
Klick purposely suicides to make Town think CSF is Town.

ML and CSF does profit from this.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Like if it's me/klick/anyone else we easily just bus someone for the points and then win the game.
any bonus town cred i would have got from killing klick would have been a waste because i'd simply die trying to solo carry the game until the very end. Both Klick and I were considered strong town by effectively every player until I pushed her out of the hard town read zone by auro, and even then as scum, I don't push her to the point where I did, I back off and let her get town reads again so that I can get the town cred for distancing and still keep my strongly town read buddy,

Now rephrase that taken the scenario I gave into consideration

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Outside of CSF, no, I don't think you're a deepwolf.
I think it's remarkably unlikely that TSE is a deepwolf.
Trying to consider me likely scum at all after Klick death is stupid. And me saying that will result in people saying that's WIFOM, but there's a point at which yelling mafia terms at people like that is thoughtless and evident of playing on auto-pilot.

Well Pops was the main pusher on CSF wagon. Not Klick.

I think though you and CSF is the most unlikely scenario unless the following occurred:

Klick Votes CSF
ML defends CSF from Klick and Pops
Klick purposely suicides to make Town think CSF is Town.

ML and CSF does profit from this.

This scenario here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I mean I’m still considering it but if Pops flips Town.
I think I might wanna lynch CSF over Suji.
Because it’s possible Klick was baiting it.

It could also be CSF and Suji.

So Klick sheeped Pops and targeted Pops.
If Pops is Mason then she can try to redirect the votes away from CSF
If Pops is VT, they die and CSF gets Town Credit.

It’s a Win/Win.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Suji

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Wow Ok.

VOTE: ML

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Auro can’t be scum with the interaction with Me, Cheeky, Pops and Them.

That makes absolutely zero sense.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

There’s no reason they ever bus CSF.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

By PoE.
It’s ML.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I said it before and I’ll say it again.
If your mafia Auro. You Win.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Eh. If you're about to push me, I'm not about to fight it. Any argument I make about how remarkably bad my play is if I'm scum and how wildly unlikely it is for me to be scum will just make you more likely to vote me. Unfortunate, but that's how it works. I'd be surprised if anyone read anything of what I said either way.

VOTE: miss lynch

Take me out and then actually hunt. Not interested in trying to fight off attacks sideways.

Your either town or mafia that’s given up.

Doesn’t matter either way.
If your not mafia, CSF is.

Auro is Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Untrue, and my choosing to be passive about it comes from my standing. If I'm scum I just bloc vote with TSE to win the game when he's handing it over. If I'm town, hearing someone else's opinions before I reveal my own will help gamesolve.

And honestly.
Regardless of alignment. Auro deserves the win.
He’s been Townie for me all game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I would assert that I am already in a position of power.
You've disagreed with the intent of a lot of my questions - you're incorrect.

Swift Deity is in charge here.
The Galatic Mastermind does the extra solving and shit.
The Alpha Cat takes a nap.
Blood Wiplasher May indeed have blood on their hands. Evil Ones.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I also think that the only player in the game (possibly on site) that might let you keep anything close to the majority of your "power" in lylo is TSE.

I think we are

likely aligned

, so I'm trying to avoid making this turn into something very detrimental to our cause.

So Who’s more likely town to you?
Me or Auro?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I said I have a decent guess and that's not necessarily you - I don't imagine why you would vote yourself.

I don't like the posturing you seem to be trying to do here. You're making me uncomfortable, Auro.

Yeah with the Bolded in the last post.
This is bad.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I don’t think my votes changing here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Apologies for making you uncomfortable. I think there's a non-zero chance that you are. If you have any interactions from Pops/Klick/Cheeky that you believe clear you, please bring them up.

I've done that before. I'm out with my friends tonight and I'm on duty tomorrow, but I'll get to this soon.

FTR I think there's a nonzero chance everyone in this game is scum with the exception of TSE, so bringing this up is kinda silly.

Pops said this to Chemist “TSE is obvious town”
Pops is doing similar to what your doing here ML.

I don’t remember Auro saying “TSE is Lock Town” or “TSE is Obvious Town” or “TSE is never scum”

He only said he has a strong Town on me.

That’s it

But if I’m wrong about that.
Then feel free to show me where he mentioned it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@TSE: Where was Klick trying to go with branding ML and me as SvT and later SvS? He would have known that lynching me is difficult; why would he try to sell me on his partner?

Lots of possibilities but here’s the most probable ones.

-Bus ML
-Thinks your Mason and took a shot at you
-while still voting CSF tried to redirect scummy attention towards you

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Here’s my question.
Why aren’t you voting CSF?
Here’s some options I’ve gathered.

-Your Scum trying to get rid of the TSE/Auro Masons.
-Your Town Who is still debating who the mafia is despite the “I doubt it’s deepwolves”
Comment
-Your Scum who’s given up

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’ll go over interactions later.
Cheeky may have hinted something.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Empty how?

Chemist what's your setup familiarity?

How does this question serve any purpose? As I mentioned earlier scum tend to pose useless questions in RVS ime.

Another example:

PEdit: why do you post so much?

It's good that he follows up with

Klick why did you specifically ask Chemist (and not any other player) about his familiarity with the setup?

His first post seemed like he was in tune with the setup yet I've never seen a game of this setup with him in it. Wasn't sure if it ran in some marathon weekends that I missed. I'm also more familiar with Chemist than the rest of this list.

But then no read is given until here: which is wtf. It could be a joke or reaction test, but then again that reinforces the idea that his RVS question had no purpose. I don't see follow up if it was intended as reaction bait.

one post reads are generally not a good idea in my experience

Town

After mentioning that Chemist is the only player he is familiar with he assumes he knows how town!TSE would behave.

I can see your logic but I'm not convinced it's where town!TSE would go in their logic.

Like tl;dr I don't actually see klick sorting. I just see content for the sake of content. I've seen one town read on yshtola, one scumread on TSE who I'm pretty sure is town. Each of those reads is the only real content in his ISO.

Here Cheeky talks about Klick.

For Hectic's birthday he misspelled my name and got me my role PM towards the end of my window for reading

Yay! Hi!

Thoughts on Auro?

Miss Lynch are you scumreading Auro?

This Pings me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Popsofctown catching up in a bit.

Jfc I'm away for a day and my two buddies die

VOTE: Cat scratch fever

2 votes right after doesn’t feel like W/W.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If TSE is scum, like woah
TSE, would you call yourself an easy to read player? How'd your past scumgames go?

Well the only scum game I was highly Town read in is when Chemist town read me.
Chemist usually Town reads scum and IDK why.

Both me and my partner were the biggest Town reads.

Here’s a link to the game -) https://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/v ... 7&t=103574

[TrueSoulEnergy]

ML doubling down on TSE being town serves no purpose. She has a better chance of selling me on TSE scum than TSE on Auro scum (especially when TSE is fine with Auro winning).

Would have to review CSF pushes. This would imply Pops/Klick made weak ass pushes on CSF knowing I wouldn't listen to them? Although Suji did.

Hmm, hm indeed

My thoughts exactly on the above part.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What was your username in it?
I wonder how you guys play games there. The large avatars and signatures make it very unappealing to read.

Seththeking.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Nah
No way 776+778 are real thoughts
To me it's obvious he's trying to fake dumbtell

I’m Seththeking

Maybe that rings a bell.

Can’t wait to hear what you have to say here post game. XD

Why would you say that if you're town, Seththeking?
Have you been scum against Egix in the other site and won?

I said that because he’s wrong and I wonder if he’ll still think he’s special.

As for games with Egix.
If I recall correctly I think that Metallica game on here he was in.
I could be wrong but IDk.
I was indeed scum that game.
Made a God Tier play but got replaced but still counted it as a win.
I claimed Tracker as Mafia Tracker that Tracker Mafia PT Cop who claimed Town PT Cop.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Tracked*

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Because there is no Mason PT according to the rules we just know alignments.

But you didn't know there's no scum PT?

At that time I realized it.
Before that I didn’t.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I said that because he’s wrong and I wonder if he’ll still think he’s special.

Where did he think he's special?
Is that an impression he gave on the ToS forums?
I

never

got that feeling from Egix.


If Miss Lynch can show me that she has self-voted as town before, I am likely going to bet on her being town this game.

So you think ML is more Town over me?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yes, but 865 is far after 158.

WDYM by this?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ayyy final get to defend myself here.
So first off, Pops or Cheeky never even had a decent interaction or mention of ML.
Where they did me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well that’s how I would respond and I’m Town so this right he makes me want to hard Town read you.

You feel more carefree and ditsy like your town self.

This guy said he will be standby if needed.
He didn’t say he’s going to always continually lurk.

Cool we're vibing. TSE is currently my strongest town read.

VOTE: Aldus

Aldu is one of my strongest Town reads.

Help me see it.

Cheeky, can you quote some of TSE's posts that you think are out of his scumrange?

Skim this: link
And tell me he's not town here. I've played with both town!tse and scum!tse and the kinda non-chalantness and lack of tryharding is very much in line with his town meta.

@CT
It’s not like people’s beginning Reads are set in stone.
I see people go “Wolfy Post” or “Town Post” at the start.
It isn’t directly a strong read it just means they had a good/bad entrance and they wanted to point it out.

I think we're talking past each other. I was pointing out hypocrisy in klicks read progressions. Like he said Chem was the only one he was familiar with but then said that he didn't think town!tse would do x. How would he know what scum or town you would do if he's not familiar with you?

Ok I think Auro, Egix, Chemist, TSE and maybe pops are town.

So you think me and Cheeky are W/W from this.
Rather then barley any interactions regarding ML.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Plus if that’s the case then you’d have to believe Me, Cheeky, Pops AND You were all interacting as a 3-1 instead of a 2-2.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

cheeky why didn't you comment on my auro read
I need to get back onto your whitelist so i don't have to replace into games to play with you

@ML
Pops wouldn’t say this or have the interactions they had with Scum!Auro

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think the Alduskel vs. Miss Lynch interaction has an SvT look and I hope soberpops can sort which side when she is done chastising drunkpops's staying up late

Miss Lynch stop straying out of Ankrange when what I really need is for Yshtola to get out of Ankrange


aside from like not knowing how much Ank would be willing to mess with my mind about lying about her alts

I was a little relieved I could answer Sujimichi's question from earlier with Almsbringer dead but it maybe touches on other mason equities.

Auro taking an unusual comment I made and asking "do you only make that comment as scum" when it is totally and equally likely I only make the comment as town is the scummiest thing that has happened in this game, because it is mimicry of scumhunting but functions specifically on which alignment he needs for me to be.

Copying my vote would be way better life choices than this Egix thing, which will disrupt the dog cat balance of the thread until such a time as we kill CSF, and her underpayment catch up was pretty towny to me.

Woodchuck's factual incorrectness about Auro's actual level of humor is maybe besides the point of the spirit of the idea that he's been engaging in the thread a lot a lot a lot without doing a large proportion that warrants a strong townread and I've come down to believing he's an experienced player running a strong circus rather than town who is giving us a lot naturally.

VOTE: Cat scratch fever

I still think Yshtola's theory is probably wrong, but I think this second kill was quite possibly motivated by the win/win of killing Y'shtola or generating a scumflip that distracted the conversation off of CSF.

That interpretation would still give her a remaining kill, and looking at CSF's posting patterns, she is likely to return in 3-4 hours. If we can flashwagon her very, very quickly here, we could lynch her before she can desperation shoot. As soon as she's aware of this level of pressure she's likely to keep more of an eye on the thread.

What L- was Egix at?
That does seem worth considering.
TSE's interest in the kill makes it seem like he wants to use new information to inform his reads and Auro's disinterest/dismissiveness is what the other alignment looks like.

CSF doesn't seem particularly likely town within what's left of this razed place.

A confident Klick townread against a doubtful Miss Lynch read seemed really weird given their respective post volumes.

I agree strongly with a TSE townread. He's misreading me but it seems genuine and misguided.

What do you think about TSE?

If I'm supposed to assume Auro is town and his reads are probably good, then I'd sheep his Sujimichi case.
If I'm supposed to assume Auro is town and misreading me means this is an offgame for him and I should believe in myself, I think there's some good reasons to scumread A Fever You Can't Sweat Out
If I'm supposed to get really scared of mislynching in MyLo I think I push Chemist because he's kind of been a nothing sandwich like he is in most of his games but circumstantial evidences from lots of slots seeming to have town equity + Chemist never getting pushed makes the chances he is scum rather high

The first of those perspectives makes the most sense. If Auro is town I'm having just as bad a game as he is, worse because I'm tunnelier, if he's scum I have the best chance of changing hearts and minds after a missed or abstained vig tomorrow if he had more ownership over a today's lynch.

How does the game change perspective if for some reason you are allowed a vig shot and Chemist flips town?

It doesn't change an awful lot, I think it's, like, TMI to not show interest in his lynch, but on the other hand nightless tends to incentivize scum to push for mislynches proactively, I agree with that concept. It kind of averages out to a watch. If you say that makes Chemist a low information list that's not the best lynch for today I don't think I disagree.

I share Sujimichi's scumread of CSF as I've mentioned before. I think I owe ML something closer to a reads list than a post by post casing next in this game tho

Raw readslist first then I will discuss the nonmechanical slots 1 by 1 maybe like three per post.
popsofctown - Mason
Klick
Miss Lynch
Sujimichi
Auro
Cat Scratch Fever
Chemist (counterclaimed me as a 5th mason)
TSE (counterclaimed me as a 5th mason)

Klick - Klick throughout the game has done little bits of interaction that seemed kind of towny with a tiny cute curled y but for much of the game the low quantities of those posts made me feel like it was good faking, and there is only a low quantity of it he can fake. Increasing his output a lot (apparently because his inlaws left, so not because we must have scum up against the wall) refutes the only reservation I had.
ML of all slots is like actively dumb to wagon right now? Which makes for a fat grouping of question marks I want to bin as town.
Miss Lynch - ML's frequent calls for re-evaluation today seem genuinely interested in getting the correct solve. She seems to try to cause interactions that would be illuminating. Her pages of fist fighting with TSE were potential times we should have seen something scummy.
Auro townreading this slot for reasons that don't make me sense makes me want to consider Auro/ML solves a lot though.
Sujimichi - Sujimichi's case on CSF is one I agree with, and it has been pretty solvey. Auro's reasons in his case are persuasive about Sujimichi, though, counterweighing that.
I'm a little concerned with how easily Sujimichi has slipped into a defensive posture, though. She's said that it's MyLo and that she has the same survival motive scum does in this situation, but I don't think that factoid accurately reflects everything, scum need 1 more mislynch if they've identified the mason, town needs three correct lynches back to back to back. That contrast would put defense on the backburner a bit more, I think.
Auro - I am pretty interested in the idea of learning Auro's alignment by watching him lynch scum, like he says, but, I've talked about this slot a lot, I feel like the scum!Auro universes are a lot of the universes. town!Auro is some of them. I feel like my original reasons for scumreading him were flatly called bad by the one slot very incentivized to reach that verdict then buried in lots of things that have happened since (including Auro's high post-rate). But still I think it's not nothing that my teammates didn't see enough in my piece to carry the torch the next mile on this, which is a reason to be less confident.
Cat Scratch Fever- Sujimichi talked about her a lot. Her iso is also very IioA if you look at it. She asks little clarifying questions that don't matter and demonstrate too much thread presence to not warrant some real interactions. I will repeat lest people forget that I think the vigshot timing was incriminating for her.
In the situations where she is town she is probably not able to show it due to hyperposting in the thread which is sad. But with townreads elsewhere I feel this is just a really straightforward scumslot that no one has ever defended in a way that's compelling

Both of them.

The townslip is overstated since scum!ML can be making a decision to bus during catchup. Townslip scavenger hunt seems like a convenient way to approach a partner slot in general.

@Auro

What’s your thoughts on these posts?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Klick hard-townread Pops.
Pops soft-townread Klick.

Why would Cheeky townreading you be indicative of not SvS?

It’s not that they Town read me.
But by how fast they did it and made me their top read.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE trying to make shit up about interactions ignores the fact that I replaced into the game

What does you replacing into the game have to do with anything?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I said that because he’s wrong and I wonder if he’ll still think he’s special.

Where did he think he's special?
Is that an impression he gave on the ToS forums?
I

never

got that feeling from Egix.

Re-quoting, your answer to this is important.

Oh it’s just I like telling people they are wrong.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If you read the Pop quotes I gave you Auro.
You should see why I want to vote ML over CSF.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I said that because he’s wrong and I wonder if he’ll still think he’s special.

Where did he think he's special?
Is that an impression he gave on the ToS forums?
I

never

got that feeling from Egix.

Re-quoting, your answer to this is important.

Oh it’s just I like telling people they are wrong.

That and they need to realize they should change their meta for the better.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Sorry but Egix played like shut this game.
Chemist didn’t really play that well either.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Occam's razor says TSE is effectively lock town. Idrk about a slip but tbh TSE is a lot like me in that he says a lot of stuff without thinking which likely results in people reading shit as slips that are AI that aren't actually AI.

Additionally, TSE doesn't seem to understand certain fundamentals of mafia that would be necessary for him to understand for him to carry out this game as scum. Him being town read hard in a typical game of mafia is very different from him being hard town read here. I think you'd have to find huge amounts of evidence to the contrary for me to even consider him to be likely scum.

@Auro
Read that Scum game I sent you if you haven’t already.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What’s your thoughts on these posts?

Don't see anything that proves you're town.
Pedit: She discredits the townslip from Miss lynch in 1539. Klick also heavily discredited my townread on Miss Lynch. Why would scum be doing that if I was starting to townread their buddy?
She also signals to Klick that wagoning Miss Lynch is dumb. This could go either way, to be honest - if Miss Lynch is scum Pops is saying "what the Smurf are you doing" BUT I doubt Klick takes that approach to begin with.
And

if ML is scum then 1525 literally has all scum at the top of the reads list.

Oh it’s just I like telling people they are wrong.

Yes... but your phrasing there is hella weird.

My thoughts exactly when looking at it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Occam's razor says TSE is effectively lock town. Idrk about a slip but tbh TSE is a lot like me in that he says a lot of stuff without thinking which likely results in people reading shit as slips that are AI that aren't actually AI.

Additionally, TSE doesn't seem to understand certain fundamentals of mafia that would be necessary for him to understand for him to carry out this game as scum. Him being town read hard in a typical game of mafia is very different from him being hard town read here. I think you'd have to find huge amounts of evidence to the contrary for me to even consider him to be likely scum.

Why does Occam's razor say TSE is lock town? He believes he can make "god tier" plays as scum and clearly is a very confident player.
Notice that even when he locked me as town, his solve was {Pops, Chemist, Suji} or something like that and within that he strong pushed Suji.
Please re-read the game from Cheeky's death under the lens that he's scum, and point out which parts of his play are unbelievable.

Note that Klick never had a problem with my strong townreading TSE. Pops also never had a problem with it.
Both of them had problems with me townreading you and CSF.

What does that say?

No one in the game had a problem with it.
And I wasn’t going to vote a Mason Claim.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Until a scum is lynched of course.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Then I could PoE the rest.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Read that Scum game I sent you if you haven’t already.

Reading that site is hard but I visited the mafia discord server. That only seemed to affirm that your play this game is within your "range" - is there something else you expect me to have seen?

What’s my range?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Auro
Read Page 363
And tell me what it means.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

No one in the game had a problem with it.
And I wasn’t going to vote a Mason Claim.

But you were fine lynching Chemist, no?

Not when he claimed Mason.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If you looked at my ISO.
I voted Suji to get my vote away from Chemist.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I didn’t know if Mason was actually Chemist.
Pops. Or a Hidden Player.
I was getting mason vibes from you Auro NGL.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Although it was mainly during the klick death.