Open 776: Korina is a Cultist

[Sujimichi]

Hey everyone! I am not familiar with this type of game, but I though joining Farkran and Chemist1422 would be fun. I am glad Auro and Klick joined as well.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Farkran
Has like +++ cultist equity which is as much as we can hope for D1 in this setup.

Why do you think this?

[Sujimichi]

lol really?

you culted me n0?

Oh shit yeah

VOTE: Alyssa The Lamb

Does this change your desired "townbloc?"

[Sujimichi]

Not really

Then my initial assumption as to your rationale behind your Town reads must be incorrect. Why do you read them as Town so strongly already?

[Sujimichi]

Suji what would you do as town in this game?

I would do the same thing I would do any game and try to establish Town reads. Arguably that will be more difficult in this type of game since the only association between two players at this current time is with a player who, in my opinion, it is best to try and ignore.

[Sujimichi]

I don't think Korina recruits Chemist N0
Auro's first post nearly made me spit out my coke
Drixx looked obvtown idk.

Thank you.

[Sujimichi]

I would accept Klick/Drixx/Auro/Farkran for the time being

Thoughts from Auro and Farkran?

Did you not just state that you no longer wanted to include Slaxx and were actively looking to replace him? Why did you remove Chemist1422 given you recently gave your rationale for his inclusion?

[Sujimichi]

There is effectively 1 scum today, and alignment changes down the road. Do you think a standard strategy is optimal?

I do not know. As I previously stated, I am not familiar with this type of game.

[Sujimichi]

Its disadvantageous for me to go into the methods I plan on using regardless of alignment so I won't

I do not believe you were asked to. The question from Farkran was directed toward me.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Homura

[Sujimichi]

I voted for Homura due to her first post and vote. She did not engage with the game and voted the player with the largest amount of votes.

[Sujimichi]

Suji, what do you think about Klick trying to form a townbloc at this stage of the game?

Given that this game should not be played as a normal game, it would make sense to approach it from a stance of probability. Just as it is improbable to correctly identify the Cultist on Day 1, a "townbloc" on Day 1 would probably mostly include Town members. This seems like an okay thing to create; however, starting with Day 2 it would be almost useless.

[Sujimichi]

That timing was interesting suji

I am assuming you are referring to my vote. Could you confirm this?

[Sujimichi]

Suji, what do you think about Klick trying to form a townbloc at this stage of the game?

Given that this game should not be played as a normal game, it would make sense to approach it from a stance of probability. Just as it is improbable to correctly identify the Cultist on Day 1, a "townbloc" on Day 1 would probably mostly include Town members. This seems like an okay thing to create; however, starting with Day 2 it would be almost useless.

But more important than this, do you think creating a townbloc comes from a cult mindset or not?

It both reduces the potential pool of candidates to lynch (which is a minor negative for the Cultist) and decreases the likelihood of the Cultist being lynched (which is strong positive for the Cultist). I would lean toward a net positive for the Cultist (especially in the case he or she is able to continue it past Day 1, but that seems less likely), so it very well could come from a Cultist mindset.

[Sujimichi]

I am assuming the Cultist would place themselves within the "townbloc" and that the "townbloc" would not lynch within themselves. This would remove, or significantly decrease the likelihood of, the Cultist from being a potential lynch on Day 1.

[Sujimichi]

I am assuming the Cultist would place themselves within the "townbloc" and that the "townbloc" would not lynch within themselves. This would remove, or significantly decrease the likelihood of, the Cultist from being a potential lynch on Day 1.

This is only true if the cultist manages to get in though.

Based on what you just told me, would you agree that the townbloc itself is clean except for klick, the slot that tried to form it?

Not trying to place words in your mouth, i want to understand your thought process and see if it can lead to any relevant conclusion or it's just a "sure, everyone could be scum" waving strategy.

I am confused. Based on your post 319, I thought your question was referring to the "townbloc" that Klick created and you quoted my response to Auro. In this instance, this would mean that the Cultist was the player who attempted to create the "townbloc" so, yes, I would assume that the Cultist managed to "get in."

[Sujimichi]

Suji, how much cult potential do I have? Would you be able to detail?

I do not believe I would be able to accurately assess that given your posts. You would have the same baseline potential at this point.

[Sujimichi]

Apologies, I do not think I understood your intended question. I do think Klick has a stronger potential to be the Cultist than everyone else in the "townbloc."

[Sujimichi]

Do you think RCE has more than baseline cult potential?

I do not believe so. Do you?

[Sujimichi]

I do not believe so. Do you?

I believe the opposite.

Apologies, but does this mean that you think RCEnigma has a higher potential to be Town?

[Sujimichi]

Apologies, but does this mean that you think RCEnigma has a higher potential to be Town?

Hey just putting it out there, no need to apologize for any question/clarification/disagreement with me, it's all good
Yes, I think he's town.

Thank you.

[Sujimichi]

Apologies, I do not think I understood your intended question. I do think Klick has a stronger potential to be the Cultist than everyone else in the "townbloc."

Now we are on the same page with my question, although this goes in slight contrast with your introduction in this game.

Regardless, does this mean that you are townleaning Fark/Auro/Slaxx?

Yes.

[Sujimichi]

I am assuming the Cultist would place themselves within the "townbloc" and that the "townbloc" would not lynch within themselves. This would remove, or significantly decrease the likelihood of, the Cultist from being a potential lynch on Day 1.

Ohhh you answer that.
This is assuming that the cultist has any say in whether they get into the townbloc though, no?

Correct, and by being the first player to assert a "townbloc" between players it either works, and you get to include yourself in said "bloc," or it does not work and the "bloc" does not get created. There is also the possibility that it backfires and you are read as the Cultist for it, but given that probability argument that exists, that seems unlikely to occur.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Alyssa The Lamb
Suji, do consider sheeping me here.

Why?

[Sujimichi]

Jk, but I'll detail my reasons tomorrow - need to sleep right now, see y'all

Apologies. You stated here that you would address later.

[Sujimichi]

Concluding, i think my lynchpool for today is limited to {Alyssa, Suji, Conspire} + Homura if the lurker reasoning doesn't apply.

Lynchpool is still there, i'll likely remove suji though

What changed from post 583 that led to you "likely" removing me?

[Sujimichi]

I want to hear Suji's thoughts before risking ending the day

Is there anything in particular you would like for me to discuss?

[Sujimichi]

Where is suji? I don't think he is usually vla during the we's, is he just MIA?

Apologies. I am with limited access on the weekends.

[Sujimichi]

Concluding, i think my lynchpool for today is limited to {Alyssa, Suji, Conspire} + Homura if the lurker reasoning doesn't apply.

Lynchpool is still there, i'll likely remove suji though

What changed from post 583 that led to you "likely" removing me?

I mulled it over and determined that you were not a good lynch for today

Yes, but I am asking what specifically you determined during your mulling that led you to "likely" removing me.

[Sujimichi]

What do you think about Clique's Klick

I still think that Homura is the Cultist simply for her contributions to the game thus far, but the "townbloc" argument for Klick being the Cultist is not an unsound argument and his counterpoint of "overall positive for the gamestate" could very well be an unintended consequence. So, assuming you are referring to the "townbloc" as a utilized tool, I think it is Cultist indicative for Klick. If you are referring to the other members of the "townbloc" I would have to ask you to specify who you are referring to as it seems to have been somewhat fluid during the game.

[Sujimichi]

Yes, but I am asking what specifically you determined during your mulling that led you to "likely" removing me.

I reread your posts and considered that while you have cult equity for your introduction in this game and your reputation, the meta townlean is still valid and i consider both Alyssae and Conspire scummier than you + other people agreed that your tone is towny in a vacuum + i think your vote history and activity do not point to cult!suji d1. I concluded that it wasn't worth it to push you today, instead focused my efforts on narrowing my pool as much as possible. You should be able to find my cases on alyssa and conspire in the last several pages

Thank you. Is there anything you would like from me in particular given your comment above in post 777?

[Sujimichi]

I was talking about his attempt to create one, yeah.
Suji, Homura is a newbie (I think), if she was cult she'd definitely be coached.

Do her posts give you a "coached" feeling?

Also, town often end up not contributing; when you can't afford to mislynch this ceases to be a very important factor, no?

Most of her posts are from a short time window in which she makes a burst of posts defending her slot and then saying the person who started the push on her was the Cultist. During this time Korina was also active, so yes, a planned response is possible.

[Sujimichi]

i don't think Homura is a partner that fits with Korina mindset and playstyle

How do you reconcile this with Conspire? Given that it is an unknown combination of two players, why do you think that Conspire could fit with Korina's mindset and playstyle more so than Homura?

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Klick

[Sujimichi]

Apologies, but I believe that I have explained why I think that Klick could be the Cultist quite in-depth and will not reiterate. Auro taking the same stance strengthens my thoughts.

[Sujimichi]

Why now, then?

We a nearing the deadline for the day, and I do not have an agreement from almost anyone on the Homura lynch. In addition, I think Auro is more likely to be Town than you are to be Town, so I would rather vote with Auro than with you.

[Sujimichi]

I do not understand GuyInFreezer's "active lurking" rationale for RCEnigma being the Cultist as opposed to his own posting. His predecessor was fairly absent, so I do not have a strong read there one way or the other.

[Sujimichi]

Klick is a bad lynch, i don't know how else to word it

Why is GuyInFreezer a good lynch?

[Sujimichi]

A GIF vote is a me vote, as GIF isn't on my wagon and will join it to save himself unless someone from my wagon comes off.
Suji is the best bet from my wagon.

I actually openly advocated that I be lynched over you so

Would you explain what you mean by "active lurking" as stated in your rationale on RCEnigma? Some examples would be beneficial.

[Sujimichi]

If I wanted to salvage the slot I would've just voted Homura or Klick tbh
It's much harder to drive people to completely new wagon than just joining the pre-established wagon.

I agree with this.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: RCEnigma

[Sujimichi]

I'd be happier if y'all went to same conclusion as I did after reading his ISO again, but I'll take this too.

I can see what you a referring to, but my vote came after reviewing his ISO and seeing his return to voting Klick (617), after just stating that he was looking in Conspire/Homura (515) and without providing the rationale for his return to Klick.

[Sujimichi]

I always assume players I'm unfamiliar with have strong town/scum games. I'm interested in the meta-townread if you want to expand on that.

I played several times with suji and i read his scumgame (the game that made him a nomination). This suji looks more like the town!suji i know than the scum!suji in that other game. His attitude is more like... asking himself questions rather than giving other people answers, if you know what i mean?

The sample size is small though, and suji is not an easy read under normal circumstances.

I get what you mean, the pool to sort from fmpov is :
Farkran
Suji
Conspire
Klick
Homura
Slaxxx


Of those I'm highest on farkran/suji as town
Slaxxx right behind


Klick by virtue of just having content.

Conspire/homura

Conspire has posted but I dont know what about. Nothing has stuck so far.

VOTE: Klick again

What are you confused about?

[Sujimichi]

Apologies, but his post 515 is an ordered list where he expressed a town read and me and yourself, next on Slaxx, and then on Klick "by virtue of just having content." He then goes on to state that it is between Conspire and Homura, yet doesn't really seem interested in actually looking between them. He did not state that Klick was his "highest scumread," and Klick is before Conspire/Homura in his list.

[Sujimichi]

Perhaps I misread the intention behind his list; however, he did still have Conspire and Homura below Klick in his list of players to sort and I am not seeing where he made an attempt to do so.

[Sujimichi]

He dropped his questioning of Homura without receiving a full response, so I would at a minimum expectation for him to continue to press there if the question he asked was genuine. He did not give his reason for his "return" vote on Klick, but it would have been better if he stated it explicitly rather than leaving us to assume a reason, yes.

[Sujimichi]

And, so our new player fell from the sky

[Sujimichi]

UNVOTE:

[Sujimichi]

Suji your avatar is rad.

Thank you.

[Sujimichi]

If you have not read, why do you believe that he is Town?

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: GuyInFreezer