Open 771: Pollock's Flag [endgame!]

[OkaPoka]

okay so literally i asked for speed night and im a replacement which one of you fucks

[OkaPoka]

Also I wish to know everybody's reads on my slot and can we just mark me conftown thank you

[OkaPoka]

if you wish to interact with me or my reads i will only do so in real time just so you know in advance

[OkaPoka]

Also fortunately you've all been here since at least n1 so thus I would like to know everybody's experience with specifically Looker, that's something you can be doing if we aren't interacting in real time

[OkaPoka]

Since woodchuck appears to be the least active player as well I'd like to just know off the bat if you are a noob or an alt account.

[OkaPoka]

Also yes I've read the entire game but I do concede that I lack the real time interaction with the game that y'all had so I may have misconceptions about the passage of time and momentum so forgive me if that happens.

[OkaPoka]

Alright goodnight hope to see you tomorrow

[OkaPoka]

I have a list of notes in this game I'll post if people want me lynched so if you are afraid of me faking these notes then enter your opinions on me asap

[OkaPoka]

mb

[OkaPoka]

Woodchuck why should I townread you?

[OkaPoka]

I suppose that's not a very helpful question

-Woodchuck should I trust you on who to lynch? Or are you willing to trust me on who to lynch.

[OkaPoka]

where'd you go dude

[OkaPoka]

I know your a busy dude but given that this is lylo (we mislynch we lose) and it seems that despite everyone locking your predecessor as town, you've been left alive and dodged a multitude of nightkills for a very obvious reason if you are town here. I'd ask you to subvert the playerlists expectations of you now and just stick around a little longer for each session your on i guess, and just be more active this phase in general in sorting down the rest of the list.

deadline is 7 days and that's not much time to get to know you since I don't have repertoire with you and town has managed to mislynch three times in a row so we need to pick up the slack a bit here

i cant do much unless you put in a bit more as well

[OkaPoka]

Uncrowned, position on me please

[OkaPoka]

Of course you will have my thoughts, id like to keep some to my chest and slowplay as i please if i can

[OkaPoka]

Actually could i get a full proper readslist from you

[OkaPoka]

Are you confident enough just to vote amrun then?

[OkaPoka]

Why is uncrowned your top scumread

[OkaPoka]

Then why isnt he lynched yet and show me bad associations?

[OkaPoka]

Alright

I want to have Amrun and Uncrowned's takes on the game

[OkaPoka]

Uncrowned I'd like a readslist

[OkaPoka]

I hope uncrowned ignoring me has some good purpose otherwise itd be a shame if i was just frustrated and voted him

[OkaPoka]

I am going to pursue a lynch on uncrowned unless any of you can convince me otherwise

The votes are there and something needs to happen

[OkaPoka]

so thats four people who want an uncrowned lynch today heh

[OkaPoka]

any last words uncrowned?

[OkaPoka]

such a lonely place this thread is

[OkaPoka]

i swear i dont bite guys

[OkaPoka]

guys its lylo someone talk to me before i feel like im playing singleplayer

[OkaPoka]

Gimme a readslist uncrowned please

[OkaPoka]

This is annoying that i dont have time to do the normal sorting i want to do weve wasted half the phase already doing nothing

[OkaPoka]

amrun has a good excuse at least and aaronfrost declared vla

but uncrowned keeps logging on to post and i think is ignoring my request for a readslist which is very frustrating

[OkaPoka]

If nothing happens in 24 hours I'm going to post what i want to post and im going to try and strongarm the lynch i want and i tend to be very stubborn once i start strongarming so engage with me please ^_^

[OkaPoka]

UNVOTE NOW

[OkaPoka]

we r in lylo and there is something else i want to do please no

[OkaPoka]

if u trust me as town unvote please q_q

[OkaPoka]

woodchuck there is a very real possibility of an outside scumteam that makes a lot of sense that i need to be sorted first so please unvote please please please

[OkaPoka]

scum could quickhammer so you need to listen to me when you login and just unvote

[OkaPoka]

thx babe

do you believe im town btw

[OkaPoka]

because i want to push another lynch but you have to be completely confident that I am not scum with uncrowned

[OkaPoka]

and if there is anything i can help you with to prove at least that I'm town then I want to establish that before I go onto make a push

[OkaPoka]

stop leaving me in silence ;-;

im going to go insane

[OkaPoka]

okay so are you considering me + uncrowned or not

[OkaPoka]

You know that if uncrowned is town, scum could quickhammer and end the game right? What rxns are even valuable to you here

[OkaPoka]

Ok woodchuck im just going to trust you as newb town here since im a nice person who thinks ur cute but if you betray me ill be sad

[OkaPoka]

Do yoy trust me as town woodchuck?

[OkaPoka]

I need your unconditional love

[OkaPoka]

Pls im desperate to have someone to talk to its very lonely

[OkaPoka]

Yes

Not until we've reached consensus

[OkaPoka]

Do yoy trust me?

[OkaPoka]

If you can lock me town i think there is a better lynch than uncrowned

[OkaPoka]

Well do you think aaronfrost and uncrowned makes sense?

[OkaPoka]

And do you think aaron and amrun makes sense?

[OkaPoka]

just answer the questions

[OkaPoka]

it'll be clear once you do and if I think you are wrong I'll try and point you another way

[OkaPoka]

for ex: I don't think woodchuck + uncrowned makes sense as a scumteam, unless you are an actually experienced player on the site who knows about white flag gambitting but I don't feel like planning for that

[OkaPoka]

why don't you think aaron + amrun makes sense? i feel like there is an outside possibility on aaron+amrun

i think uncrowned + aaron doesn't make sense yeah

[OkaPoka]

anyways this is taking too long

amrun + aaron could make sense
amrun + uncrowned makes the most sense
amrun + woodchuck is unlikely but possible
aaron + woodchuck is the most unlikely but most posible

woodchuck + uncrowned does not make much sense
aaron + uncrowned makes less sense

therefore in my eyes amrun is the best lynch, it safeguards against the top three most likely scenarios

[OkaPoka]

ok hold up im writing something up

[OkaPoka]

For you woodchuck:

Here's why I am worried about Amrun + AaronFrost.

So the gamestate is lylo whiteflag, either side lynches the other side, they win. Scum don't bus today, they need to ensure a mislynch to win.

Anyways in my catchup, I noticed some very

odd peculiarities

about the game.

D1 you guys had the TSH lynch on scum, and as a result of that lynch Amrun was cleared because it looked like TSH was pushing Amrun. However I did notice that you guys were heading towards the end of the day which made it seem like TSH was basically the inevitable lynch thus, I don't think its fair to clear Amrun in that scenario, in fact I think that it actually

points

to Amrun being scum, because I think TSH was just antispewing Amrun. He also adds on AaronFrost as the people he tries to "thunderdome" with which I found quite odd initially leading me to find at least one of AaronFrost/Amrun has to be scum.

At the end of day 1, basically the gamestate read as Amrun,AaronFrost,RB(woodchuck) were the three cleared townies, yet something very odd happened n1, Looker was killed.

The Looker kill I find suspicious because 1) he wasn't on the scum wagon 2) nobody was very clearly townreading him 3) he wasn't a clout kill because he wasn't carrying the game

I did find a mention about him being a late game player but in my experience scum teams don't make that kill without extensive meta and I haven't really heard of Looker before even with his join date and I suspect maybe Amrun is the only person who has.

So that means Looker kill was in most likelihood 1) Low - info kill or 2) Fear kill

But clearly, Looker was not a low info kill. The easier low info kill is someone like rooroo, but rooroo is mislynchable you say, well so is Looker! What Looker provides that rooroo doesn't is that he has posted some reads

S {Amrun/rooroo | AaronFrost | TSH | Uncrowned/rb/Pink Ball/Creature/Blatant Scum} T

Note anything odd about these reads? He goes against the grain on Amrun and AaronFrost, killing him silences the one slot that doesn't townread the two slots that really shouldn't have been cleared. I think if scum were planning to win this game and Aaronfrost and Amrun were town, they would've killed AaronFrost/Amrun and left Looker to push the other, but they didn't and now Amrun has been a universal townread for a majority of this game without being nightkilled.

Additionally, of course, we have Eddie Cane who reps in and wants to lynch Amrun and he doesn't get the lynch. Then Eddie Cane gets nk'd. Now let's say just hypothetically Amrun is town in this scenario. That would mean scum is in me,uncrowned,aaronfrost,woodchuck agreed? I want to clear myself here, I really don't see why town would be efforting this hard in a dead game, especially when I'm being townread by enough slots to make my lynch impossible. That makes it from your pov woodchuck, the scum team uncrowned,aaronfrost (and for others, woodchuck can be in that pool) and I don't see any combination of these players nightkilling Eddie Cane over me IF we can presume that Amrun is town, because 1) I am an unknown variable 2) You have a very clear cut path to victory by letting an Eddie Cane v Amrun dynamic play out.

However, the side that really doesn't want Eddie Cane v Amrun to play out is a scumteam combination that involves Amrun, Amrun knows that Eddie Cane can typically get the lynch he wants. I know that Eddie Cane can get the lynch he wants. But I'm pushing Amrun as a lynch so you can clear me from Amrun as well. I don't kill Eddie Cane here, I kill woodchuck and then autosheep Eddie to a win. If you want links I can give you links of why Eddie Cane will get the lynch he wants especially if he starts getting a decent amount of townreads.

tl;dr its probably amrun + uncrowned, but its also most definitely amrun like 95% of the time so lets just lynch amrun over uncrowned

[OkaPoka]

okay I got sidetracked I'll give you a rundown on why Amrun + Aaronfrost could make sense

Uncrowned has literally been a top scumread by the collective town for the entire game, it makes a lot of sense to walk into today as scum needing a viable mislynch and setting things up, so from the perspective of AaronFrost it's safe for him to mark Amrun as his second scum likeliness if he can get an uncrowned lynch and the fact that there seems to be no resistance to an uncrowned lynch makes me think that Uncrowned could just be a designated mislynch. However I also think its not that likely for basically this entire town to have been wrong which is why my top scumteam is still Amrun + Uncrowned, I just think lynching Amrun is the much much safer play and better play.

[OkaPoka]

i didn't proofread any of that so if you have any questions just ask in thread I'll be around

[OkaPoka]

and to continue to lay my cards on the table:

I really really wanted to wait to do this but I really think scum are just going to run down the clock.

I wanted to verify for myself what Amrun/uncrowned reads were to see if I could solve an exact team and possibly further rule out teams ~understanding that this is whiteflag lylo, but now it doesn't matter. Uncrowned too seems to be ignoring my requests so there's no point in holding my thoughts to myself

i just want amrun ded

[OkaPoka]

now i just need you to be more townie so i can clear an aaronfrost+woodchuck team because that could blindside me

[OkaPoka]

the only thing that pops out to me as bad in this are "town wouldnt be trying very hard" coming from the person claiming town who's trying the hardest

at the same time, unless you're a really ballsy scum you wouldn't be trying to convince me to lynch amrun this hard

the eddie kill makes sense for 1) amrun scum or 2) someone wanting amrun to seem scum, if someone wanted amrun lynched isn't killing Eddie as good as leaving him alive at this point?

you're right it's probably amrun/uncrowned though we'll see where this goes

i just read your new posts

you think scum is in {uncrowned/amrun/aaron} and the delay is intentional?

Maybe with a different playerlist. But this is a very longterm frame job because killing Looker who top scumread Amrun against the entire town list accomplished nothing to get Amrun lynched, instead probably solidified her towniness with no dissenting thought so killing Eddie to frame Amrun would mean that they set this up since n1. Maybe with some very crazy scumteams, but I don't see it in this list or I'm missing another reason that they killed Looker and the scumteam missed that killing Looker did not harm Amrun. I mean -evidently- Amrun wasn't going to be lynched today, it was going to be uncrowned. It took a replacement to come in and say lets lynch amrun instead.

I haven't exactly cleared anyone yet, I've only cleared specific teams.

My possible scumteams are in order of likelihood
Amrun/Uncrowned
Amrun/Aaron
Amrun/Woodchuck
Aaron/Woodchuck

What I do think is there is a combination of townies not finding time/will to play this game and scum being scumbutts are okay with letting this game die out rather than taking initiative in trying to inject life into the game.

[OkaPoka]

at the same time, unless you're a really ballsy scum you wouldn't be trying to convince me to lynch amrun this hard

this implies you/amrun with uncrowned just being an apathetic goof*

I think uncrowned has been an apathetic goof this entire game and I don't blame anyone for scumreading Uncrowned, he really seems like obvious scum who has no motivation to play town.

But it's also for that exact reason that I suspect that scum came into today and knew that uncrowned was essentially the designated lynch, and I don't see anyone other than me I guess now, trying to stop that.

[OkaPoka]

In another world, I would've waited a bit longer to see if Amrun would come and try and protect uncrowned from a lynch, you can see that I was trying to get her to commit to lynching uncrowned, but after you voted uncrowned I think I just have to lay everything on the table since there is also a good chance that townies don't show up at deadline so we need to make a decision with time to spare

[OkaPoka]

uncrowned you have to vote amrun here or we lynch you okay? ^_^

[OkaPoka]

uncrowned you have to vote amrun here or we lynch you okay? ^_^

uncrowned if your next post doesn't address this/is a vote on amrun then ill just lock you as scum with amrun ^_^

[OkaPoka]

hi

[OkaPoka]

ok

[OkaPoka]

please don't utterly blindside me aaronfrost

[OkaPoka]

i think its very important to note that at the very least

me, you, woodchuck all want amrun/uncrowned dead so basically amrun v uncrowned could at this point very well be all theater so we will see

one of those two are basically guaranteed to be the lynch today but i am very interested in what they have to say

[OkaPoka]

yeah I think if I don't see anything from them that actually is substantial by tomorrow I'm going to vote amrun because I really don't want to see a loss by running out of time

and I don't consider anything posted by uncrowned/amrun as actually substantial yet so gotta hit those standards

[OkaPoka]

so you scumread amrun?

[OkaPoka]

what are your reads my dude spit em out for me

[OkaPoka]

Maybe we lynch uncrowned since he doesn't deserve to live ugh

[OkaPoka]

What are you leaning towards woodchuck?

[OkaPoka]

if u have no thoughts just post to clear both of us as a scumteam

[OkaPoka]

HAHAHAHAHA

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: amrun

scumteam is woodchuck/amrun aaron

If you need help ama

[OkaPoka]

Can you go back and list out who was townreading Looker vs who was townreading idk say RB and Amrun?

[OkaPoka]

its pretty clear to see why my response was extreme

we lose if town was exactly me,woodchuck,uncrowned which if you look at my posts I was considering an amrun/aaronfrost scumteam

we also lose my ability to hold my cards close to me ~i was planning on slow burning amrun to get her to reveal info and then string her up but you forced my hand to preemptively case her out and well i guess we've smoked you out

it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to pivot onto me/uncrowned over a team with amrun. you aren't even remotely considering amrun AFTER i made a decent case on her with evidence you haven't seemed to consider before. like you had her as second scum, why did that just disappear after Amrun has pretty clearly become the primary lynch?

[OkaPoka]

fate of the world is in your hands not mine aaron lol

[OkaPoka]

amrun ur scum sorry

[OkaPoka]

just self hammer

[OkaPoka]

alright chill

[OkaPoka]

I'll keep this in the background and be on periodically if you have any questions

the worst doesn't wake up for a few more hours i think so take your time

[OkaPoka]

aaronfrost u ready?

[OkaPoka]

this is true now!

[OkaPoka]

haha i was scum rekt noob

[OkaPoka]

xXnoscop420blazeitXx

[OkaPoka]

EZ CLAP

[OkaPoka]

YES

[OkaPoka]

not so ez clap

[OkaPoka]

Woodchuck you played very very well for a new player. Like you had me pretty snowed there in lylo and if this was a blackflag game, I think you could've won it all. With a few more games you can become a very deadly player, better than most players on site tbh, you have potential.

[OkaPoka]

Amrun got cleared from an interaction that came from TSE antispewing, but TSE looked like he was going down anyways when I was reading D1.

RB slot got cleared because people tend to townread emotional outbursts. But hindsight says that RB just didn't have fun.

[OkaPoka]

anyways im sad

i was always planning on lynching amrun today and i wanted to troll her a bit

[OkaPoka]

Spoiler: my catchup in n4

Alive:
Amrun
AaronFrost
Uncrowned
Woodchuck (originally rb)
Eddie Cane (originally hectic)
OkaPka = skygazer

Things to look out for pre read:
Possibility of TSH hard defending a scum buddy who could possibly be a White Flag.
A very strong bus that hard clears somebody, possibly from the White Flag, also Black Flag.
Eddie Cane wasn’t killed yet which is very surprising
Titus being lynched day 2 is very interesting, especially since Chemist and Rooroo being chain lynched consecutively after her implies that scum simply have a win condition of lynching easy targets this game. It’ll be lylo 3v2. Whoever has been a lurksack probably.
I need to look for when Eddie Cane replaced Hectic, also why did Looker die n1 is very important to know.
If im alive maybe aaronfrost is town because i think aaronfrost would kill me after TvA
Day 1:
-Is TSH first post a rule of three? Probably not, but with Rb, cat scratch both being town and an unknown on rb who is now woodchuck /shrug
-Hectic post 25 is typical hectic trolling, good thing
-TSE post 70 is forced wrt Uncrowned, if more forced interactions w Uncrowned possibly SvS
-post 73 is not a rule of 3!
-page 2 amrun initiates an okapoka-esque push on Blatant scum, I’ve never seen amrun be proactive about pushing the envelope forward
-pushing envelope or just trying to being town hmm, also context is during ™
-aaronfrost initiates something of substance on blatant hm
-cat scratch intiates w TSH and af pg 5
-rb enters w vote on pink ball pg 5 and he’s wrong
-amrun votes aaronfrost pg 6 and backs off blatant which is hmmm, altho blatant isn’t scum
-hec boy makes aaronfrost a competing wagon once creature checks in pg 7
-tsh gathers two votes from hectic and csf kinda unnoticed, aaronfrost loses its voters hm
-tsh: amrun, aaronfrost, rooroo are scumspects (rooroo flips town)
-tsh vs amrun is weird, uncrowned should really vote tsh tbh ~pg 12
-why would looker die n1 idk, but ok he has amrun vs rooroo
-af has probably the best reason to vote tsh so far, vote no4 on him
-rb soft defense on tsh
-tse commits scumtell on page 15 of townreads, means he’ll do it again i think
-cat scratch fever would make it hard for scum to lynch rooroo, will have to track that later
-pink ball vs rb -> woodchuck is interesting
-pg 17 is rb town?
-just going to speed through pink ball vs rb
-lol uncrowned is scum ok bye thx gg i solved post 554 ez clap
-very confident that since tsh lynch looks inevitable, scum is between af and amrun and this is just antispew
-okay if everyone is locktowning rb why isn’t woodchuck dead yet is this baton pass 2.0
-i haven’t seen a single looker is town post how did this kiddo die n1 is it because his reads and he’s being a pseudo nsg? Points to amrun/aaronfrost as at least one
-scumtells onto catscratch (town), 743, is it rule of three w hectic or another scumtell? Actually might be rule of three since it doesn’t look like hec boi is changing but also hec boi has been less vocal about lynching then amrun or aaron
-not reading those uncrowned walls but also he’s been scumtelling with his style of metaing
-i can see why uncrowned/aaronfrost/amrun lived to here
-so like amrun isn’t actually ever lynchable and the fact that tsh is continuing to push this very hard to push wagon is indicative of SvS
-amrun is picking up steam now speak of the devil isn’t this game supposed to be near deadline
-also then again something about amrun makes her a scum favorite to push lol /shrug
-yep i saw zero reason to kill looker other than
-preserve gamestate (means consensus reads are wrong)
-he has good reads
-scared
-points to amrun or aaronfrost as one or both


Day 2:
-lazy notes:
-amrun and af have decent svs equity which means i wont get to play
-uncrowned is town
-day 2 sucks wow with hindsight town is completely wrong on everything wow but also there wasn’t signs of this happening unless its exactly af and amrun since they were being spewed town by the flip and biggest pusher(s) are dead
-dude i keep forgetting woodchuck is in this game omg its doomed its so fucking doomed
-if its not uncrowned, that means basically entire townlist was wrong d2
-if its not amrun/aaronfrost that means they killed looker for the shits in and giggles
-if its not woodchuck then we have a free mislynch for scum which i guess makes sense but a lurker slot shouldnt win
-leaving us hec boi, man of many posts and no content yet nobody seems to have a read on him hmmm
-hectic is literally scumposting titus is getting townier and he’s doubling town on trying to ram a titus lynch for the sake of chain lynches ugh
-what are these kills


So eddie cane replaced in and literally has very similar thoughts although i do think amrun and tsh have partnery posts specifically antispew posts
Nvm he trs aaronfrost
Woodchuck really should’ve been nk’d too idk man
Woodchuck + Amrun based on panic against eddie ?
Ok good news if i live ill lynch amrun anyways

Done with this

Always lynching amrun im going to troll a bit and pretend she’s might top tr

[OkaPoka]

yeah when i started the catchup i literally only looked at flips so i didnt know that you just replaced in lul

[OkaPoka]

i dont believe

[OkaPoka]

who ended up being gentleman 7 in that dance game i swear someone claimed it and i forgot

[OkaPoka]

pts?

[OkaPoka]

private topics?

[OkaPoka]

tyty

[OkaPoka]

hey i swear that post was different

[OkaPoka]

i dont think anyone likes replace outs but its a necessary evil since the alternative is modkill /shrug

[OkaPoka]

yeah from personal experience as scum there is nothing i hate more than having to deal with replace outs that swing the tide of the game, putting effort into a game and tailoring your message only for one person to swing in later and sabotage things

but like i can't really conceive of a solution to this issue really

[OkaPoka]

i really just think shorter deadlines would solve a majority of issues

add in like a temporary signup restriction after replacing out, (like you can't signup for games for a week after a sub out due to self wim) and you probably have removed a majority of replacements

but also ms.net's sticking point is longer deadlines and longer deadlines means more opportunities to sub out due to rl and in game reasons

[OkaPoka]

rooroo

ur next account should be rewrew

[OkaPoka]

Like insant replacements?

[OkaPoka]

Oh

Oh god

[OkaPoka]

releaseio

[OkaPoka]

PT?