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Disagree that he could be doing that?In post 36, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
I disagree. But for my own reasons.In post 34, Raya36 wrote:He could be. That's not my reason for voting him though. It's too early to get a read based on that.-
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I normally don't hold back reasoning but since it's very early game and I'd like to see if it continues then why notIn post 40, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
I disagree with not posting the reasons but over half the people haven't posted at this time which is fine.In post 38, Raya36 wrote:
Disagree that he could be doing that?In post 36, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
I disagree. But for my own reasons.In post 34, Raya36 wrote:He could be. That's not my reason for voting him though. It's too early to get a read based on that.-
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I feel like Elmo's entrance was strange but just personality. I honestly don't see scum motivation.
Because 2 of the power roles were killed Night 0. I think that's a solid confidence boostIn post 72, Knightmare491 wrote:
Interesting, I don't agree. But why do you think so?In post 32, Raya36 wrote:Also I feel like this would be a game where scum would have the confidence to try to take a town leading role-
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What was on your mind?In post 98, Knightmare491 wrote:
Oh. GotchaIn post 94, Raya36 wrote:Because 2 of the power roles were killed Night 0. I think that's a solid confidence boost
I had something else on my mind.
Definitely agree we should step up and that's a good point too. I guess it just comes down to playstyle.In post 100, Solon wrote:
This is a game in which Town must step up, for we are under the cosh!In post 32, Raya36 wrote:Also I feel like this would be a game where scum would have the confidence to try to take a town leading role
Scum are sitting pretty right now and probably smiling contentedly to themselves after the success of their N0 actions - they are unlikely to be showing much urgency, but rather complacency!
So about Solon. What bothered me was his rvs vote suggested a lynch of emperor, then 11 addressed Tanner as both town and scum, then said Elmo was dumbtelling and asked why they weren't voting Emperor. Then voted Elmo (with a case) but said his rvs(?) vote on Emperor was still in his sights. Then it was Math. It just felt like he was throwing suspicion everywhere.
I feel a bit better about his slot though after his interactions with Math. His reevaluation on Elmo reads to me as he just gave up on an Elmo push getting him anywhere. Now he's jumping on Maria.
@MathIn post 39, alban wrote:In post 24, NDMath wrote:I suppose everyone can safely soft vigilante now.
The Elmo/Solon interaction has heavy potential to be T/S in some order.
I've already got a slight townread on Dunnstral.
VOTE: Tanner
Elaborate, please.
Each statement reads peculiar.
I've been waiting for a response to this.-
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Do you think scum not reading would just announce that they aren't reading?In post 132, Dunnstral wrote:
Well it's not like he's putting out paragraphs, you couldn't have looked over his posts?In post 129, MariaR wrote:I have not read a single 0verki11 post.
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I like Tanner and Looker, and kind of Elmo, not sure about ndmath (not seeing a reason to vote there), not seeing a reason to vote overkill either
Fake townslip?In post 141, Emperor flippyNips wrote:so we probably have two scum to deal with on top of the SK
if they have a switch for the cop and doctor their abilities are useless-
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Yeah, which is exactly why some scum are probably doing it too.In post 164, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
Isn't that about half the playerbase?In post 163, Raya36 wrote:I change my mind about scum taking a townleading role. Scum are lurking and hiding-
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I can't seem to form any reads this game so starting at the beginning:
Was there a reason for this vote or was it just rvs?
The more I think about it the weirder this is. I still think the strikethrough was personality more than anything AI. But it's weird to ask something that's written directly in the rules.In post 13, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:m have daytalk?
This was a weird narrative too. This whole post is just weird.In post 13, Elmo TeH AzN wrote: Welp This was a fun game. So what PR we got left? Tracker? Oh Na we got the vig. Yes I'm reading this setup as I move down the list.
Slight townread on Dunnstral
What about his posts at this time made you think Elmo was town?
Slight townread on Tanner
Slight townread on alban
Slight townlean from Overki11
I'm now torn between Solon and NDMath being the most scummy. I don't think scum would be in both of them.
I'm always suspicious of anyone that accuses someone of a bad vote when it's on themselves..In post 75, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Hi scum. This will be remembered for a bad vote hop btw. The fact that everyone is about my 13 makes this game fun. Attempted or not and just getting thoughts out there instead of holding back and giving no content no matter when you placed this vote makes it easy.
Elmo also only said that she was aiming for transparency after Dunnstral said that's how he read her post 13. The the two townreads she says she has are of the two people townreading her: dunn and tanner..
VOTE: Elmo
I have dunnstral, tanner, alban, and overki11 as town reads/leans right now.In post 168, Knightmare491 wrote:
Do you have any substantial reads?In post 163, Raya36 wrote:I change my mind about scum taking a townleading role. Scum are lurking and hiding
Solon I'm not sure about anymore.
Elmo and NDMath as scum reads/leans.
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Dunn townread started here. It's just a weak read right now but my reasoning is that he didn't jump on elmo being scum even though that would be the easy thing for scum to do at the time.In post 21, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah this game is going to be tough, unfairly so, and for town to win we probably need to bank on at least 1 cross kill between sk and mafia.
Post 13 is wild - does anti-town really make a post like that right away? It looks to be too suspect to be scum, in a way.
I liked alban for 39
Overki11 is more of a tonal gut read from his entrance. Very weak though-
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Also that you only said you were aiming for transparency after dunn suggested that. And also that you said overki11's vote on you was bad. I'm honestly not sure what you mean about wanting to look worse.In post 192, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Right now as a whole your case seems to be based that I'm town reading two people who are townreading me and based on my
13 post. Aside that don't you think if I wanted to look worse Id have voted Math like was wanted. No because right now I see math as a null. And the top scum read I have is being replaced.-
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I don't have much experience with Elmo. Maybe a game years ago.In post 224, Black Ranger wrote:Raya what is your experience with Elmo and how do you feel about 13?
I think the strike through was more personality than anything. But the narrative and the townslip seemed off to me.
I'm having a hard time finding the game you're referring to.In post 236, Black Ranger wrote:
You made a similar post in Micro 701 (also Switch) when you were playing with Elmo. What's your read on her here?In post 94, Raya36 wrote:I feel like Elmo's entrance was strange but just personality. I honestly don't see scum motivation.
Could say the same about youIn post 249, Black Ranger wrote:Klick you're really tryhard here did you get a red pm?
I like chkflip so far so my scum read on the solon spot is starting to fade-
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This was 3 years ago so hard to meta read based on that. But she was much less active and very defensive. She also slipped and said "you" when referring to town. She's not acting the same here but again, that was 3 years ago.In post 301, Black Ranger wrote:
Meant to say Open 704.In post 284, Raya36 wrote:I'm having a hard time finding the game you're referring to.-
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I mean more that it built up really quick without much stopping it. And now there isn't much against it.In post 312, Klick wrote:
What do you mean? Maria/Dunn/Black Ranger have all put up resistance to this wagon to different degrees, and there are nine people not voting there. There's currently a wagon at 3 as well.In post 208, MariaR wrote:Knight looks good. He's in a tunnel and his tone comes off like he really believes the read.
Just a thought I hadIn post 313, chkflip wrote:The traction is your vote on the fucking counter wagon, Raya.
Also, "Why isn't there traction?" is a dog shit excuse for a question when over half the game is lurksacking and we need 2 slots replaced.-
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Quick NKA summary thing assuming both kills were Sk/scum
Overki11/klick:
Overki11:
-Called Elmo scum defeatist
-Said Elmo faked a townslip then voted
-Said Elmo's post looked fake and omgus
Klick:
-Elmo's entrance is town
-Maria seems off (although Maria is town so I'm gonna ignore anything else about her)
-Knightmare is omgus-y
-Knightmare and dunn in scum list
-Pushes Knightmare some more
-Votes Knightmare
-Pushes a couple more times for Knightmare
Klick doesn't stand out as overly active among everyone else in my opinion. So I would assume if scum/sk killed them they were killed for a read. So that leads me to believe knightmare is scum/sk.
MariaR
-Votes Nips
-Votes Tanner with a case
-Pushes for Tanner
MariaR is also not an active player so if scum/sk killed her it was probably for a read. Her only scumread was Tanner.
I've always had a townlean on Tanner though. I would bet MariaR was an sk kill. Knight almost got lynched yesterday because of Klick. So I think that's a good place to vote.
VOTE: Knightmare-
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That's true too. UNVOTE: because I don't know what I think anymoreIn post 358, Knightmare491 wrote:Killing klick makes sense for sk/mafia because they were town read by more than half of the playerlist and it frames me too two birds in one stone.
Yes, Klick replaced Overki11In post 360, Elmo TeH AzN wrote: Wasn't Klick a replacement as well?
Scum resistance to the lynchIn post 365, Knightmare491 wrote:
?? How does that make me mafia?In post 364, Dunnstral wrote:nightmare is a good candidate for mafia because the vote failed on them at deadline.-
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Half the game being MIA and all the replacements makes it impossible to form readsIn post 376, chkflip wrote:I feel like over half the game being MIA makes the failure for a Knightmare lynch to go through NAI, unfortunately.-
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Well I was gonna come in and vote for Knightmare again but seeing as he's at L-1 I'll just say that's where I want my vote to be. Based off of NKA the only thing that has been said to make me think he could be town is that scum are setting him up to look bad (and it was him who said that). But that only makes sense if klick was the scum kill which we don't even know for sure. I think as someone mentioned, if he was town he probably would've been lynched more easily. Also I don't agree with his Dunn vote and it looks bad since Dunn was making a case on him.-
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Why would you replace into a game then automatically assume your slot claimed vanilla? That makes no sense to me.In post 447, Paragon wrote:I'm here! Did my predecessor claim Vanilla Townie?
I don't always right away either but I can't imagine you would come in and ask if your slot claimed? Especially in a short game like this. It's a weird question to ask and it'd only take a minute to check for yourself.In post 461, chkflip wrote:
I don't always do this when replacing in, tbf? I guess?In post 457, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Did you not even read the iso on your slot before jumping in.-
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It was just an odd entrance in my opinion but it could be town as easily as scumIn post 481, Paragon wrote:I didn't think of it at the time. I posted that immediately after entering the thread. Still, it doesn't make a difference I don't think. I could be WIFOMing and could technically be anything still.-
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Do you think it's scummy though or bad town in your opinion?In post 499, Knightmare491 wrote:
because as town he would be taking firm stance on the info that we would get from my lynch. Not just saying we need to lynch me anyway (?)In post 497, Raya36 wrote:Why can't the part you called a slip be a thought coming from town?
WTF does that mean, are we at the liberty of lynching people (anyway??) without even thinking what info could be gained from it?
It makes sense that he pushes on me now when his pet scum read Maria flipped town.-
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@Knight this questionIn post 507, Raya36 wrote:
Do you think it's scummy though or bad town in your opinion?In post 499, Knightmare491 wrote:
because as town he would be taking firm stance on the info that we would get from my lynch. Not just saying we need to lynch me anyway (?)In post 497, Raya36 wrote:Why can't the part you called a slip be a thought coming from town?
WTF does that mean, are we at the liberty of lynching people (anyway??) without even thinking what info could be gained from it?
It makes sense that he pushes on me now when his pet scum read Maria flipped town.
What about Ranger's talk about Maria is odd?In post 520, NDMath wrote:
Because I don't believe in crosskills.In post 497, Raya36 wrote: @NDMath
Who do you scumread and why? Why do you have an interest in SK hunting?
Scumreads
Knightmare - I'm kind of sheeping Dunn at this point but I've been scumreading knightmare this whole game and nothing has changed that.
Ranger - His eod flaking and then immediately hopping on the wagon today is really bad. The way he's talking about mariar is also odd.
Fitz - Hasn't been too much good about this slot, but it's better than the other two.
Knightmare did claim VT?In post 521, Black Ranger wrote:Checkin in to say I'm good with the lynch
There's been zero chance of anything worthwhile being said since Knightmare slipped not-vig without hard claiming vanilla.-
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Honestly I can go for Paragon today instead of Looker. Both are equally scum to me.
That's what I said in my post above:
"Maybe "accidentally" hammered his buddy just so he could say "oops, oh well, it'll be scum anyway". That didn't sound genuine at all. I wouldn't be at all surprised. It would be good for distancing and at this point a Knightmare lynch was only being delayed."
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I consider SK 'scum' as well as anything not town aligned. But I do think Looker and Paragon are mafia, not SK. I think SK is within the ones I didn't group in either town or scum.In post 558, Dunnstral wrote:
Eh.. Raya groups people into Town/Scum here but it looks like he means Not mafia/Mafia, and he doesn't really consider SK. Wondering if that's more likely to come from SK themself. I don't think Raya is mafia.In post 535, Raya36 wrote:I did an associations check last overnight
Spoiler:
This is what I got out of it (The ones I didn't mention don't strongly fit in either based on association)
[Town: Dunn, Emperor]
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In post 566, Paragon wrote:I don't like Looker's defence of me. Defending me for hammering scum alone, and questioning why he isn't being voted isn't a towny thought process.
Just shooting out thoughts right now.
Scumreads the one defending you, then townreads the one scumreading you.In post 567, Paragon wrote:Raya is very town for the overnight analysis.
I can't tell if this is an attempt to get town cred.
I do really think the hammer has high potential to be trying to gain town cred.-
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I forgot to respond to this:In post 577, Paragon wrote:Those are just my reads. Were you expecting me to OMGUS and OMGUR, or OMGUO?
It's not that I expected you to OMGUS or whatever else but to go exactly opposite of what people are reading you seems like a reach for town cred-
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Care to elaborate on these ~reasons~?In post 584, Paragon wrote:I scumread brassherald for ~reasons~
OMGUR is Oh My God, You Rock. OMGUO is Oh My God, You're Okay. Obviously.-
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