Male me one, because I really want to be in this alliance.In post 3745, PenguinPower wrote:I think this is where Listmods Unite.
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Male me one, because I really want to be in this alliance.In post 3745, PenguinPower wrote:I think this is where Listmods Unite.
This is a hard puzzle for me to solve.In post 3750, Menalque wrote:I am a PR
I have results suggesting that datisi and bingle may not be scum although it’s not conclusive, it’s more strongly indicative of bingle!notscum than it is for datisi
I just said I don't get your post, so -since you already outed- let it be a full claim with exact role and results.In post 3751, Menalque wrote:If people don’t think that any of (Maria, Blake, A50) are scum then I suggest we lynch through PP->datisi->S_S to end the game
Any objections or anyone who doubts I’m a PR?
Since we've come to the stage of the game where everybody outs EVERYTHING, I just wanted to say I thought YOU were a PR. I specifically thought you were either a Doctor who protected me N1 (would explain the missing Mafia kill) or a Hider who had hid behind me (and obviously didn't die).In post 3754, PenguinPower wrote:If I go first, fine.
Would be nice if you outed it by the time I am all caught upIn post 3772, Menalque wrote:I bet you didn’t get my crumb thought datisi
Amen to thatIn post 3848, MariaR wrote:pedit: But Peng I'm MafiaR I can fake anything in any game so clearly if I am not cleared I can still be scum!!!
Or better yetIn post 3880, Bingle wrote:In post 3732, PenguinPower wrote:Hmm.In post 3733, Menalque wrote:Hmmm.Spoiler:
Why not think of "FB made the kill" alternative? I mean, why would the JOAT even bother the risk of being caught OR exhausting their 1-shot ability when it was obvious they'll be shooting skitter anyway? Wordt case scenario is the kill would be blocked and then they'd know it was a DOCTOR who stopped their kill on N1 and not -say- a JK. (There are other possibilities such as Hider, so the kill going through tells then their target on N1 was either a Hider or protected by a Doctor, but not a JK)In post 3896, Bingle wrote:He's either crumbing a tracker or JK. If tracker, then MafJOAT me would have had to ninja kill the claimed PR with evidence of a protective, not rb'd a claimed PR with evidence of a protective, or holster and not Strongman with evidence of a protective and a claimed vig who scumread me. Datisi is less conclusive because ninja kill N1 makes perfect sense with no setup knowledge.
I already explained the JOAT must've used the RB shot on N1 already. I am not arguing YOU are the JOAT though. I am just saying skitter's shot going through = JOAT already used their RB like 80% of the time, because she was always going to shoot in FB/S_S anyway (which is -at least- a 50% chance she was hitting Scum, and after having lost lillith the JOAT could not afford losing their second goon on the same cycle)In post 3903, Bingle wrote:If we assume FB makes the kill assuming skitter wouldn't be protected that doesn't explain why JOAT me doesn't roleblock skitts when I'm firmly in her PoE.
I know you didn't ask >me< but I will provide my answer anyway: >I< would probably have not used ANY of the JOAT abilities on N1. Instead I would have sent a Goon to do the kill and stayed put myself. That eliminates the risk of me getting caught by Tracker/JK. My abilities would have been saved until they were needed to wreak havoc or at least until I am forced to do the kills myself (like, when I have already lost my 2 Goons)In post 3977, Menalque wrote:@bingle and @S_S I’d like to hear from both of you on whether you think it would be optimal for scum to make a kill using ninja on N1 or to save that for later
Not PRIn post 3990, Blake Belladonna wrote:I would like everybody to explicitly claim PR or not PR please.
Yes. But it's like, if it's you (i.e. not S_S) then you might've hoped she would be shooting S_S instead? My brain is going wound in circles at this point.In post 4012, Datisi wrote:@a50In post 3908, Datisi wrote:is this just because skitt's shot went through last night?In post 3907, Almost50 wrote:I already explained the JOAT must've used the RB shot on N1 already.
Dunno which ones you want, so I'll colour the ones I'm using (the ones that I have copied to my word file which I though were most significant). Hold on for a few minuteIn post 4013, Blake Belladonna wrote:Any chance someone can color the VCs for me?
In post 4016, Datisi wrote:i just wanna point out you cannot argue that (1) JOAT used their roleblock on night 1 and (2) datisi is the JOAT who didn't move on night 1 simultaneously.
Like.. if S_S i JOAT then I can't see him not blocking skitter's shot unless he had already used up the RB shot. Period.In post 4014, Almost50 wrote:if it's you (i.e. not S_S) then you might've hoped she would be shooting S_S instead
In post 4024, Bingle wrote:It's okay, if that's the F3 I'll convince A50 to mislynch you this time so that everything is equal.
Everytime I try to SMUGLY force myself on you with a CHEAP FLIRT LINE you just shrug it off and ignore me. Isn't that reason enough for me to SR you??In post 4067, MariaR wrote:I'll sit here and wait for any magical reasons on why I can be scum to pop up because I know they don't exist at this point and it's disappointing.
There is no world where I would take your argument here seriously. YouIn post 4151, Bingle wrote:There is no world in which JOAT me both didn't roleblock the claimed vig who suspected me AND didn't strongman the claimed vig when there was already a missed kill.
That would be true from YOUR PoV, but PP isn't you and does not think the way YOU do.In post 4165, Bingle wrote:This is objectively wrong, A50.In post 4161, Almost50 wrote:@Menalque: JFTR, PP doesn't block you and shoot BB here, and especially not when you have announced being on him. Instead, PP would hust stay put and holster, thus implicating Maria. The RB on you was done precisely to prevent a hrd clear on PP when somebody does die.
Holstering gets maria lynched, sure, but it also gives us an additional mislynch. And there's still a clear on whatever night Blake and Mena both act.
After having saidIn post 4152, Bingle wrote:Actually, that VCA kinda looks bad for monkeyman.
Your KNOW PP is going to flip green, and you are keeping your options open by retracting your own statement there, because if you would never vote me/S_S and both Menalque and Maria are confirmed that only leaves YOU as JOAT. Right?In post 4037, Bingle wrote:I don't see a world in which I ever vote SS or A50 this game.
Well, we all knew skitter wasn't going to shoot you. If you asked me beforehand whom she was going to shoot I would have told you with much confidence it was in S_S/FB with a very low chance of a holster. skitter NEVER shoots you unless she is SURE you are scum because she knows you are also an asset as town.In post 4167, Bingle wrote:The argument here is that on N2, I had a hard tracker read on Mena, had a soul read that a kill would go through on skitter despite a missing kill the night before, and knew skitter wouldn't vig me after:
I'll take it gladly IF youIn post 4182, Menalque wrote:I think I might want to lynch the monkey today
Yet another lie, my friend. Yet .. another lie.In post 4186, Bingle wrote:I'm not an omnipotent genius
You would have to chose only one of the two, because I am not letting Bingle get away with this if he is Scum. It's S_S or Bingle for me, so these are the only 2 acceptable lynches for the rest of the game.In post 4239, MariaR wrote:I kinda just wanna lynch S_S/A50 and call it a day but I'll only do it if me and Mena can come to an agreement.
If you read the context you'd have realized I was talking about what's acceptable for ME, and my lynch is certainly NOT acceptable for me.In post 4253, Bingle wrote:I don't know why you think you not being an acceptable lynch from your POV has any bearing on whether you're an acceptable lynch from the town POV.
At first it was your entry. Things like 31 & 78 felt like you were deliberately being scummy to avoid being NK'd. You didn't play as scummy when you were actually scum in C9++.In post 4262, Menalque wrote:A50, what put you on a PR read on me?
The following quote was meant to be specifically @you:In post 4263, Menalque wrote:and is there anywhere in your ISO that you thinks shows that you had me as a PR? either through crumb, soft, or just the way you were interacting with me?
In post 2566, Almost50 wrote:And while at it (and this is not directed at skitter, but is a general statement) I "sometimes" may FOS someone I suspect are a TPR (as Town, that is) to give scum the false impression they might still mislynch that person, so as to make it less likely for then to shoot that person. So, if I suddenly decide to keep skitter in my PoE while nobody else is willing to go there you know what I'm doing.
She's been doing that for a few games now. She leans to SR me more nowadays, actually.In post 4264, Menalque wrote:hey, also, @a50 has skitter ever misread you?
You keep repeating this like a broken record, so I'm going to ask you straight up: If YOU, Bingle, were a JK in this game; would you have been on skitter the night she got killed? In other words: Just switch your role with Blake's and keep everything else as it is.. roles, alignments, claims, lynches.. etc. Now tell me with a straight face that you would have JK'd the claimed Vig.In post 4317, Bingle wrote:Firebringer killing skitter is bad play because there was a VERY HIGH POTENTIAL FOR SKITTER TO BE PROTECTED.
?? When did I say it could be you???? I've always wanted to lynch between Bingle & S_SIn post 4341, PenguinPower wrote:But then A50 was like "it has to be between me and JingleBingle" and now he's voting SS so idk
Time to pay your ophthalmologist a visit I say. I would also recommend a psychiatrist visit if the ophthalmologist says your vision is OK. You're either having sight problems or are hallucinating.In post 4344, Menalque wrote:I could see the monkey being scum
Engaged you on the Blake JK on Bingle, and I said I didn't think it was the case, and you dismissed me. I don't think anyone would say "I think X is clear because I'm alive today" when they had in fact blocked X AND there was a missing kill on that night.In post 4388, Menalque wrote:If it's not S_S probably lynch A50 tomorrow and if it's bingle or PP let it be noted for the record that (1) no-one was really interested in engaging with me on whether Blake was crumbing a JK on bingle and the implications of that and (2) I said I thought PP's reactions to being scumread were weird multiple times and that I thought he was reminiscent of his scum play in the game I modded only to have multiple town players argue with me about this and tell me they were town reactions
In post 4415, Menalque wrote:Also, who tf was she on on N2?
Can’t be fb (he was shot)
Can’t be datisi (would be cleared or at least softcleared?)
Can’t be bingle (he didn’t strongman)
Can’t be skitter (she shot)
Can’t be me (I got a result)
In post 4416, Menalque wrote:Can’t be Blake herself obviously
Can’t be maria or she wouldn’t have gone on her again?
Does that mean Blake was on one of (PP, SS, A50) on N2 by process of elimination?
If you can't dicern Blake was on me on N2 from all this, I dunno what else you need to get it. You have clipped down the pool to exactly 3 players, and Blake says one of the other 2 is the last scum, so who do you think she JK'd??In post 4417, Menalque wrote:In post 3661, Blake Belladonna wrote:I think that the final remaining scum is within Bingle and Something_Smart in almost all scenarios.
Yes. I noticed that you popped up to shade my argument in one post and declared VLA on the next. You are not even playing AT ALL, and haven't been since D1.In post 4429, Something_Smart wrote:Notice anything?
IIRC, lillith was already lynched. Who are you referring to as the second one with Fb? Yourself or Bingle?In post 4433, Something_Smart wrote:It's a great case. It especially accounts for the part where I didn't roleblock skitter to make sure that she would shoot one of her scumreads, both of which were scum.
THANK YOU. So "both of them were scum" was referring to YOURSELF + Fb. I rest my case.In post 4436, Something_Smart wrote:No it couldn't? Wasn't skitter's shot pool Firebringer and me?
This is supplementary evidence, but I think the stronger one is S_S subconsciously calling himself scum. Like, in his mind he was thinking skitter's pool was in him/Fb. It doesn't mater to me whether he genuinely believed that or was WIFOM'ing it, but the fact is he admitted they were BOTH SCUM.In post 4438, PenguinPower wrote:uhhhhhhhIn post 4436, Something_Smart wrote:No it couldn't? Wasn't skitter's shot pool Firebringer and me?
In post 3568, skitter30 wrote:{a50}
{mena}
{ss}
{dats, blake}
{pp}
{lilith} - idk/null
{mariar, fire, bingle}
i'd want someone in the last tier vigged, and there's absolutely scum in my townreads, i think
Stop trying to throw the game and do the right thing.