Open 784 - Hard-Boiled (Town Wins!)

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What do I need to know because I'm not reading 25 pages worth of stuff?

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UNVOTE:

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What was the rationale for that?

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What was the rationale for that?

for the plan? pseudo-investigative, and also to keep the Hider's identity hidden. If the hider suddenly dies, we'd know who they were targeting without outing who they were. If they suddenly die in a later night, then that will confirm the players from previous days without needing to come out and say they are clear.

for the objection? This plan has a false positive if the Hider visits the Vigilante, but this is resolved if we have a Tracker instead of a Vigilante. Midari seemed convinced that we would have a vigilante, or at least didn't think it obvious that we should have a Tracker.

Probably a good plan then. Hope that Tracker/Vig agrees.

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Why were you on said top wagon, Doc?

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i dunno, i kinda think the midari slot is town at this point?

my guess based on that would be that midari is scum and the two other wagons are counterwagons. it implicates BM? not my area of expertise and also i dunno how much we can learn pre-flip.

Interesting turnaround.

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What do I need to know because I'm not reading 25 pages worth of stuff?

I'm digging you already. And you've dropped from 99% scum to 80% scum. So you should probably join me with a:

VOTE: Marashu

I'm back baby!

I should be exactly 85%. Why Marashu?

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Yeah, Battle Mage is 85% town.

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Also I'm not very partial to VCA but TM's post gets a few townpoints for me. Just putting VCs out there and not making a case with them seems town - if scum does this type of work they will want to make a case off of it imo.

Meh - it’s D1 and I don’t agree. Watch for the color coding in later phases.

(still could come from any alignment)

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I already said I wasn’t reading, so yeah. Show me.

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I mean - I’m not and can’t defend stuff I didn’t say.

Doesn’t seem like the slam dunk you think it is unless there more though (despite my slight bias).

Did the Midari wagon start around post 400?

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I mean - I’m not and can’t defend stuff I didn’t say.

Doesn’t seem like the slam dunk you think it is unless there more though (despite my slight bias).

Did the Midari wagon start around post 400?

Not sure the exact start tbh.

And listen, I think your slot is scum, and scum is going to try to invalidate the wagon on them. I feel like you are setting me up here.

Sorry that I know you’re wrong? Not sure what you would expect me to do if I was town then.

Curious as to the start since you said you’ve been on since the beginning and you only quoted posts after 400.

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Feel free to show the earlier ones.

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...wut?

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Ah.

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Did you really just link me to that...

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Sorry you felt that way though. Not fun.

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Rude.

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@mod: sorry to do this straight after coming in, but I need a v/la for the next 48-72 hours. Just got out of the ER. I'll still be around, but not as active as I would usually.

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You disagree with me not liking VCA or with my townpoints?

I don't think Tux should get town points for an info dump D1.

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Is there a fascination with anime that someone could sum up?

Avatar bet from SUPP to my knowledge.

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I like Looker for town.

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superbowl too

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Ugh this game is boring me to tears.

Here's an idea. Let's uh eliminate Nash, since you all can't agree on Midari vs marashu anyway.

I find it somewhat ironic that you are pushing Nash...the 12 post lurker.

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@mod: sorry to do this straight after coming in, but I need a v/la for the next 48-72 hours. Just got out of the ER. I'll still be around, but not as active as I would usually.

Gl fam

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Will someone explain Deimos and Word town to me? I have but a bird brain.

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And a pagetop, so I'm okay with that.

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Maybe you could explain the Deimos bit?

Also, your horrible opinion on Anime.

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Oof.

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On multiple accounts tbh

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Man, I haven't played in a newbie game in a while. PenguinPower, save me!

I haven't played a Newbie since I became the NQ Listmod, so I can't help you there!

You can join my townbin though. scum!Ari isn't this verbose.

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I repped in like two days ago as the main wagon with a bunch of vanities and a Marashu counter. I haven't read anything prior to my entrance so I'm trying to get a feel for everyone and Marashu is now at H-1.

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I have townreads on super and looker, and Marashu was my counter, so probs okay with that going through. Not a fan of Nash's pop in vote though, and I don't know how I feel about Tux and SteakMarinade.

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Who's SUPP?

Speakeasy User Popularity Poll. 2020 just wrapped up, and the losers of the top 10 bet have to have anime avatars from the winner.

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I mean, I appreciate the post by Nash, but I also hope they follow it up with some responses.

My issue is it's just links to other people's opinions...so yeah. Follow up will be good.

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Damn you Ari.

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I'm offended you think so little of me.

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{word, Ari, BM}

That's where I think we should look today.

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I feel like looking on wagon today.

Why Nash?

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I find it highly unlikely that scum didn't bus on a wagon that was all but guaranteed to go through. Shot was also off wagon which further supports that.

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Your eyes creep me out ngl.

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{word, Ari, BM}

That's where I think we should look today.

I'm guessing you don't have any reasons?

I'm offended you think so little of me.

Prove me wrong.

I mean - I kinda just gave them? Scum almost certainly bussed and you three are in the typical bus positions.

You thinking I'm scum means that I was a counterwagon to my partner and made no effort to get towncred by bussing him nor did I try to move the wagon elsewhere. That's extremely suboptimal play.

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#1 this is WIFOM (also why VCA kinda sorta sucks) and #2 you seem quite sure that bussing would be the optimal play for scum - I don't view this as the case. I think you could still make a case for town (or not scum) Mara and be fine as scum (*cough* word *cough*)

Almost everything can be handwaved as WIFOM. I'm just going by probability based on current site meta.

Fun note: my most recent completed game actually goes against this view, but that's an anomaly.

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Gimme a break dude. I basically invented the Marashu-wagon. The likelihood of me bussing like that, in that spot, in this format, is pretty slim. Is it possible? Of course. But to have me as one of your top suspects today is ridiculous. Your justification here is superficial and low effort - I know you are better than this.

Sorry you fell in that spot? I didn't read most of the game, but where did you invent the wagon?

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Nope.

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I don't want to devolve this into a playstyle discussion, but....you're wrong.

Rant away in MD.

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Are you Reck in disguise?

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I don't want to devolve this into a playstyle discussion, but....you're wrong.

Rant away in MD.

I'm sure you don't want to get into a playstyle discussion given your ethos of not reading the game.

Correct. I play by gut/tone and votes. Reading stuff from when I wasn't here doesn't really help.

If you want to help, you can point out what you're referring to for your argument otherwise I'm just going to ignore it.

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Penguins are not slippery!

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I mean - towns work together but you do you boo.

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tybb

That makes Magie-poo look much better and Nash look worse.

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{word, Ari, BM}

That's where I think we should look today.

Why word?

I’ve already said because of wagon positioning. Couple that with the push on Maru’s counterwagon (Hi! Me) until eod, it doesn’t look good. I’m also biased that he voted me shortly after I put him in my pool and his vca explanation on looker/magiepoo doesn’t really grok.

Ari! Give me something before you disappear plskthx. I liked you yesterday...I’m iffy today.

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Yes

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Good job

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When you write an essay about stopping WIFOM VCA and everyone keeps arguing WIFOM VCA

Maybe because despite lots of words you're still wrong? Or because you used lots of words to say something that could be done in relatively few?

Maybe.

Your end premise

I see this as a valid interpretation - the only thing I would point out is that to use this logic in *all* cases would be to ignore the possibility of a WIFOM action, which would be naive. To say that scum *always* bus in such a situation would be firstly incorrect and secondly a poor assumption to work off of, even if true.

is basically saying what I said was valid because I didn't say "all cases," I said "almost certainly" and "probable."

I don't think I gel with most of the PL tbh. I'm a VT.

There, now that's out the way.

VOTE: nash

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I'm talking about probability from my experience over a couple of hundred games over the past few years. I'm applying that general probability to this instance. So, I think you're objectively wrong in your assumption that it's 50/50 there. I don't think you have to be familiar with the meta for it to be the action that you gravitate to. There's a reason why it's been a popular action. Hard disagree with the way eod went down and Mara not being the clear lynch, especially given the posting level and the main drivers.

I already said I wasn't going to debate this point, so this will be the last I comment on it.

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duck is stalking the thread and it's scary

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Excellent, I'm happy lynching PP then. I could have bought Midari's play if she was a PR just being overly worried about being directed, but definitely didn't feel vanilla.

Would a PR not out as a VT? I feel like anyone would have said VT if they were in that position.

A fake claim would be a really bad move as town here - I am 99% sure PP would not do this

Dear god you have no understanding of how I play this game.

I did watch the Princess Bride tonight in honor of you.

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Should I construct a 5 paragraph argument against superbowl’s most recent comment?

Click like if you think I should.

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Prod received.

I have to shower then I will work on a post here.

Long shower there, buddy.