Open 786 | Dream Mafia | Cult Win!

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Ythan[/b]

I DIDN’T ROLL CULT BUT I’M NOT A UT SO DREW YOU BETTER RECRUIT ME TONIGHT; I’M HARD DEFENDING YOU

You broke the living shit outta that tag, also your avi is a cult so you're cult ezpz.
VOTE: Korina

[JacksonVirgo]

YOUR TAG MADE ME BREAK MY TAG HOW DARE YOu111!!1!!!!!1111

VOTE: Korina
VOTE: Korina
VOTE: Korina
VOTE: Korina
VOTE: Korina

[JacksonVirgo]

Ok, I'm gonna paraphrase my thoughts because I'm not sure if I can get in trouble for basically copy-pasting them, but... we should have UTs,

and only UTs

claim today. If we have UTs, we can treat them as basically a public masonry, and if any cult tries to also claim UT to get into it, that's fine too, because they're gonna have to act townie and go against two people who are actually town, so they should likely out themselves relatively quickly

second, if there is a CC to anything we're not lynching them until CL is dead. Period.
Also, if CL is lynched today, everyone claims tomorrow, no questions asked. If there is only one TPR, (C1 or C2), then we're kinda fucked and we actually have to play the game; otherwise, we just automatically win

I have no issues with the UT's claiming today, unless they personally want to try to bait recruitment onto themselves, which in that case I wouldn't mind if they don't claim either.

[JacksonVirgo]

Ok, I'm gonna paraphrase my thoughts because I'm not sure if I can get in trouble for basically copy-pasting them, but... we should have UTs,

and only UTs

claim today. If we have UTs, we can treat them as basically a public masonry, and if any cult tries to also claim UT to get into it, that's fine too, because they're gonna have to act townie and go against two people who are actually town, so they should likely out themselves relatively quickly

second, if there is a CC to anything we're not lynching them until CL is dead. Period.
Also, if CL is lynched today, everyone claims tomorrow, no questions asked. If there is only one TPR, (C1 or C2), then we're kinda fucked and we actually have to play the game; otherwise, we just automatically win

I have no issues with the UT's claiming today, unless they personally want to try to bait recruitment onto themselves, which in that case I wouldn't mind if they don't claim either.

Actually it may be better if they don't claim today

[JacksonVirgo]

Also, on a serious note, the optimal play for town is to pretty much find the CL and lynch them. We don't lynch any other cult until CL is dead, because cult will just recruit back whoever we kill.

How would we possibly know that a specific scummy dude is the CL

[JacksonVirgo]

@Mod, Korina just voted jesus

[JacksonVirgo]

I just realised how bad this setup actually is for cult, that's hilarious.

[JacksonVirgo]

Wow only 3 people posted and it’s almost on Page 3.
Stop hogging the thread!

Bad entrance, die cultist!
VOTE: Logicalicaltist

In seriousness though, I don't like this post and I have no idea why

[JacksonVirgo]

Hang on, dealing with some other things, but I'll reply to your joke when I can, but CL is likely gonna be the towniest player. CL doesn't wanna die in general because they're the most valuable person for cult. They could theoretically bus cultists, but why

I don't think a specific role can act the towniest, but they're going to be trying to be the towniest

[JacksonVirgo]

Wow only 3 people posted and it’s almost on Page 3.
Stop hogging the thread!

Bad entrance, die cultist!
VOTE: Logicalicaltist

In seriousness though, I don't like this post and I have no idea why

Be honest.
My avatar gives your nightmares.

No! Why would you even say that?

of course it does, dont tell dad...

[JacksonVirgo]

I've only really played with Drew and BM, so this is gonna be really interesting playing with new people.

[JacksonVirgo]

Watch me push and eliminate a Casual Cult today and get converted by the CL tonight.
Lol.

No, if you push and zgryniby a casual cult today. Yw

[JacksonVirgo]

How would we possibly know that scummy person Y is a cultist over the cult leader.

[JacksonVirgo]

How would we possibly know that scummy person Y is a cultist over the cult leader.

If you say that the CL would not appear scummy, that's stupid. If scum could 100% reliably be townie then the cultists would do the same

[JacksonVirgo]

I never said the CL isn't important to the cult, I know that bit I am not stupid. I am saying how would the CL be townier just because they're the CL. For example, if they're a really shit scum player how does them being CL make their skills at scum any better.

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh btw, what stops us from just no-lynching forever(?)

[JacksonVirgo]

I see, I was about to think up a heckin' abuse of the cult mechanics but alright.
@Korina I think we both are just brain farting at each other. Let us continue on

[JacksonVirgo]

I knew in the five minutes I spent designing this game that lynches had to be compulsive to prevent a cop from stalling indefinitely to find all the cult.

Yeah I was gonna try to see if a cop exists they should claim and do that lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

HEAL: Korina

[JacksonVirgo]

Why exactly is lynching a top-townread D1 beneficial if a doc/jk/rolestopper may exist? Isn't lynching a semi-scummy d1 better, also you saying that CL will be townier allows the CL to act scummy to get the "Not CL" rank from you. Bad bad bad

[JacksonVirgo]

I NEVER SAID THAT I DIDN'T SEE THAT, the fuck.

[JacksonVirgo]

Trying to look townier does not mean they

will

look townier, how do you not understand what I am saying.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also nice pocket

[JacksonVirgo]

I now have a spicy tinfoil but it's neglible at best so I'm gonna keep that close to my chest until later

[JacksonVirgo]

Let us speed hammer Drew
VOTE: Drew

[JacksonVirgo]

I think I caught onto something and I hope I'm right that would be le epic

[JacksonVirgo]

It'd be hilarious if Jesus is the unrecruitable dudes

[JacksonVirgo]

It'd be more hilarious if Jesus was CL IMO.

It would confirm a suspicion of mine irl >:)

[JacksonVirgo]

...Jesus Christ!

VOTE: Korina

Did you see what I saw? >:)

[JacksonVirgo]

Battle, explain why we lynch cult before CL is dead. They just recruit back and it makes it harder for town to find the new cult

Korina back with the ignoring what people said and assuming instead

[JacksonVirgo]

Korina is giving all sorts of get out of X free cards.

[JacksonVirgo]

Let's hammer Korina because we have to lynch top town and apparently they're top town so yeah genius plan.

[JacksonVirgo]

I have an epic tinfoil here
VOTE: Korina

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not entirely sure if I should out what I saw or not, because if I am wrong about one thing but right about another I screw the pooch epicly

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright, I saw that Korina might have been softing Tracker in a previous post and then they popped in with a "If you're PR don't cc" bullshit which makes me think they're scum planning on claiming PR.

[JacksonVirgo]

also, if there is a rolestopper or jailkeeper and you target me at all this entire game, even if it stops me from being culted, we're gonna have words, very angry

w o r d s

This post pings to me as a tracker soft

[JacksonVirgo]

also, if there is a rolestopper or jailkeeper and you target me at all this entire game, even if it stops me from being culted, we're gonna have words, very angry

w o r d s

This post pings to me as a tracker soft

Tracker or cop but there's more chance for a tracker AND you've been talking about a tracker a lot more than a cop

[JacksonVirgo]

Hey Ythan

[JacksonVirgo]

Also the talk that's obviously them either pretending to or wanting to genuinely be converted is just scummy

[JacksonVirgo]

also, if there is a rolestopper or jailkeeper and you target me at all this entire game, even if it stops me from being culted, we're gonna have words, very angry

w o r d s

This post pings to me as a tracker soft

It's not. That's a post within the time I was shitposting, plus me passively-aggressively trying to prevent any TPR that could prevent me from being culted from preventing that, because I kinda wanna be culted.

Thanks for being anti-town. Vote this fam

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually imagine if Korina is actually CL

[JacksonVirgo]

You said we should be lynching town's early on, but oh if it's you that's a bad idea? Nice

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE: Korina
bruh

[JacksonVirgo]

THERE AREN'T ANY SCUM IN THIS GAME!

Uhh, I think you're mistaken.
Scum is the general term for evils (or generally anti-town roles). The scum here is the cult.

[JacksonVirgo]

ah screw it, I'm gonna do a Korina highlight-reel:

Korina explains that the CL will try to be as townie as possible, therefore we should not lynch players who look really scummy:

Spoiler:

Once again Jackson, you're blatantly missing the point.

The Cult Leader will not play scummily. They will play extremely townie.

The most optimal play for town IMO is to actually lynch the towniest players d1 and d2, to try to force the CL to remain around the middle of the pack and catch them from there. The towniest players are very likely to be culted, especially if we happen to lynch not-CL at any point before CL is dead. Additionally, assuming we're on D3 with two town lynches, it's a 4v3 MyLo. We lynch the CL, the cult

cannot recruit anyone else.

That means we are no longer in MyLo on d4. We have a day we can mislynch and give any surviving TPRs a chance to get another result, or confirm themselves still. Once we're on D4 and the CL is dead, we can go back and scumhunt effectively.

pedit:
Jackson.
Jackson.

Think about it.

You are CL. All you have to do in order to win is obtain parity. That's it.
You have to survive till D3 pretty much. Assuming all recruitments are successful:
You just have to mislynch three times in a row, and you win. (6v2 EoD1 -> 5v3 EoN1 -> 4v3 EoD2/EoN2 -> 3v3 EoD3, Cult Wins)
Even if your friend is lynched D1, you just have to mislynch twice, and you win. (7v1 EoD1 -> 6v2 EoN1 -> 5v2 EoD2 -> 4v3 EoN2 -> 3v3 EoD2, Cult Wins)
Even if both of your friends are lynched D1 and D2, you just have to mislynch that day, and you win. (7v1 EoD1 -> 6v2 EoN1 -> 6v1 EoD2 -> 5v2 EoN2 -> 4v2 EoD3 -> 3v3 EoN3, Cult Wins)
Even if all three of your friends are lynched D1, D2, and D3, you just have to mislynch that day, and you win. (7v1 EoD1 -> 6v2 EoN1 -> 6v1 EoD2 -> 5v2 EoN2 -> 5v1 EoD3 -> 4v2 EoN3 -> 3v2 EoD4 -> 2v3 EoN4, Cult Wins)
Even if all four of your friends are lynched D1, D2, D3,

and

D4, you just have to mislynch that day, and you win. (... 4v1 EoD4 -> 3v2 EoN4 -> 2v2 EoD5, Cult Wins.)
Do you get the point Jackson? Do you see how valuable the CL is to the Cult?

Now, let's assume the CL is lynched D1, and we are not in setup C2:
Excluding setup C1, Remaining alive are

TWO TOWN POWER-ROLES AND ONE CULTIST

. The TPRs say who they are, and they lynch everyone who isn't them. The Cult literally cannot win.
If it is setup C1, the Cop checks whoever they want. Provided they do not return a Cult result, we have the exact same situation as before, where Cult cannot win.
Setup C2 is different, and we have to actually scumhunt.

Korina doubles down on the idea that scummy looking players should get a pass. Which would, in effect, give herself a pass to push scummy agenda and be town read for it:

Spoiler:

Look at what I posted, and explain to me,

if you are CL, why the fuck aren't you trying to play as townie as possible, to avoid being lynched?

Korina proposes an approach to the setup which is pro-scum as it outs PRs and means the cult are guaranteed to be able to recruit successfully every night:

Spoiler:

Ok, I'm gonna paraphrase my thoughts because I'm not sure if I can get in trouble for basically copy-pasting them, but... we should have UTs,

and only UTs

claim today. If we have UTs, we can treat them as basically a public masonry, and if any cult tries to also claim UT to get into it, that's fine too, because they're gonna have to act townie and go against two people who are actually town, so they should likely out themselves relatively quickly

second, if there is a CC to anything we're not lynching them until CL is dead. Period.
Also, if CL is lynched today, everyone claims tomorrow, no questions asked. If there is only one TPR, (C1 or C2), then we're kinda fucked and we actually have to play the game; otherwise, we just automatically win

Korina continues to push this bad proposal even in the face of objections, with no effort to understand what those objections actually are - too many instances to quote.

Korina then declares that she knew all along this was an anti-town idea, and she was doing it deliberately to help the cult, but this is because she is town wanting to get recruited rather than cult herself. Also an "honest" tell in here:

Spoiler:

also, if there is a rolestopper or jailkeeper and you target me at all this entire game, even if it stops me from being culted, we're gonna have words, very angry

w o r d s

This post pings to me as a tracker soft

It's not. That's a post within the time I was shitposting, plus me passively-aggressively trying to prevent any TPR that could prevent me from being culted from preventing that, because I kinda wanna be culted.

Thanks for being anti-town. Vote this fam

To be perfectly honest

, you really think I would join a cult game and not be at some level playing for cult, even if I'm not cult?

Subtle attempt to undermine a vote on her as just "RVS", as well as one of many attempts to look conspicuously but superficially helpful by badgering everyone for their comments as soon as they show up:

Spoiler:

Also welcome to the thread Ythan, do you have anything else substantial to provide or are you just gonna RVS me and leave?

Defence of "I can't be CL, as CL wouldn't post frequently". However, she undercuts this defence by revealing that she thought she would be lynched Day 1 anyway "simply because I'm in the game", in which case her posting wouldn't really matter:

Spoiler:

And I'm not CL. If I'm CL, I don't even post because I know I'm the most likely person to get lynched d1 simply because I'm in the game, and it's a cult game.

Under a moderate amount of scrutiny, completely crumbles. Claims she doesn't care, and is quite clearly only concerned about avoiding being lynched rather than actually finding scum (which is a consistent pattern across her dozens of posts). Lots of unnecessary appeal to emotion which amounts to "don't lynch me, or you'll be sorry!". Hard to believe this passion and defensiveness comes from a VT less than 12 hours into a new game:

Spoiler:

Then lynch me. I don't care at this point honestly. If you're all determined I'm cult, fucking lynch me. Get me out of this game. I'm not gonna replace out because I never replace out of cult games. Just know though, when I flip town, you're gonna have to figure out how to make up for today.

Yeah I agree with every one of these points

[JacksonVirgo]

I think Korina may very well just be CL here, that would be a dissapointing run for scum if so. But it's not like we can let Korina live when they outright said they're against town

[JacksonVirgo]

Why isn't anyone acting towny? Suerly the cult leader isn't the only towny person.

What do you mean?

[JacksonVirgo]

This may be confirmation bias but the scummy people protecting Korina seems telling for something

[JacksonVirgo]

I've lost wim for this game but I shall return later today to fully catch up.

[JacksonVirgo]

Eyyyy sup clidd

I’ll catch up when I get home tonight

[JacksonVirgo]

I've been prodded

[JacksonVirgo]

Why is this called Dream Mafia when there's no Mafia