Open 796: Haunted Village Game Over

[Random Canadian]

Happy Spooky Season!

VOTE: Murdercat

[Random Canadian]

Happy Spooky Season!

VOTE: Murdercat

i see you rolled scum this time VOTE: RC

Nah, I'm just excited for this game theme with Halloween approaching.

[Random Canadian]

I was wondering about this. I actually didn't read the setup that closely so I didn't realize that we learn what the scum chose. Do we know the number of points?

If I am reading the setup rules correctly town has 8 points worth of PR's but that doesn't tell us how many total because that could change based on how the points were divided up.

[Random Canadian]

Oh hey, I've missed a bit!

I saw there were many hydras and that sounds funsies
so I came

Hey Noraa! Glad to see a friendly face replace in again.

Let me do some reading.

[Random Canadian]

The BM tunneling topic has been hammered a lot already but this post in particular caught my eye:

i do think this is a very different gameplan from taylor compared to her towngames, and very similar to her scumgame.

Can you expand on this BM? Taylor asked you to explain somethings about this in 252. You followed immediately by answering a few other people and talked about how you didn't get why people were defending her. I'm interested to see where you were trying to go on this. Since your first post where you talked about her having a scumtell, 242 was the first place it looked like you tried to make an argument beyond your tunnel of she's just scum.

[Random Canadian]

Isis and Noraa, have you 2 played together before?

[Random Canadian]

Oh hey, I've missed a bit!

I saw there were many hydras and that sounds funsies
so I came

Hey Noraa! Glad to see a friendly face replace in again.

Let me do some reading.

nice to see ya again. rip JKer Noraa from ancient arthropods who thought vanilla townie random was scum

It's not a problem now. You made some good plays that game that helped us get that win.

[Random Canadian]

Also, I want to take a look at the people on my wagon. I get why the wagon formed but it was a surprise to me to come back to it mainly because I just wasn't on between posts too much. Plus also mentioned he thought there might be scum on my wagon. This is mainly for me to look at tomorrow deeper because I need to get some sleep now.

Taylor: 9, 152, 276
Exorcists: 17, 128,
egotisi: 31
Isis: 173
MURDERCAT: 178

[Random Canadian]

One last thing, can someone explain who the other RC is? I kind of like the RC abbreviation but it sounds like someone already uses it here lol

[Random Canadian]

One last thing, can someone explain who the other RC is? I kind of like the RC abbreviation but it sounds like someone already uses it here lol

radiant cowbells is one of the most infamous scummers.

Now that you say that, that name does sound familiar from when I was one here originally. I haven't crossed paths with them since coming back though.

In post 305, Random Canadian wrote:
Isis and Noraa, have you 2 played together before?


no

Good to know, thanks.

[Random Canadian]

Xofelf, I kind of agree you on the Plus read. He seems a little more calculated than my past experiences with him, which gives me some suspicion of them but much like you say about yourself, Plus is an easy target at times because of his play.

What do you think about his opening post in 35?

[Random Canadian]

In post 342, Random Canadian wrote:
Xofelf, I kind of agree you on the Plus read. He seems a little more calculated than my past experiences with him, which gives me some suspicion of them but much like you say about yourself, Plus is an easy target at times because of his play.

What do you think about his opening post in 35?

Is that more calculated? That just seems a bit "hold up let me get an RVS in here real quick, and also some thoughts real hurried that aren't gonna mean much, but are definitely here." It does ping weird, but I didn't think anything of it cuz it could mean anything really.

The opposite really. I feel that post is less likely to come from a calculated scum standpoint. Specifically the speculation on a role because of the strongman doesn't align with the feeling I was getting. I get the calculated feeling from some of his later posts but wanted to hear your opinion on that one since you thought had some thoughts that his play might be opportunistic.

[Random Canadian]

Sure. In this situation scum know exactly what roles town has. I'm finding it hard to believe that scum!Plus would come out of the gate faking a guess that town has a certain role based on the scum roles chosen.

[Random Canadian]

i still dont like how fast the RC wagon fell apart for no reason other than "ooh a shiny"

that said, i was ready to move on to a more serious wagon myself, but RC has not done anything to deserve that votes move away. in fact, im a bit concerned that RC seems to have dodged the thread for the most part since the wagon formed.

How come you stopped voting me in this same post then if my play hasn't deserved your attention elsewhere?

As for the dodging, it wasn't intentional. I just caught up with being busy and didn't have much time to come through and read. I will try to be more consistent going forward though.

[Random Canadian]

How come you stopped voting me in this same post then if my play hasn't deserved your attention elsewhere?

well just know ill be keeping an eye on you. its very convenient that youre back now that the pressure is off. i moved my vote because the game was ready to move on and i didnt want to help stagnate it. im conflicted, as i expressed. i both dislike the wagon falling apart, and like that it fell apart. im not sure which one of those is the correct take. i dont townread you though.

Fair enough, I wouldn't have expected you to give me a town pass anyways. It is convenient that I'm back now that the wagon is gone but also, the wagon wouldn't have formed the same way if I had been able to be on and contributing after my first couple posts. The wagon picked up some steam after Plus pointed out that I had defended myself then left.

[Random Canadian]

Also, I want to take a look at the people on my wagon. I get why the wagon formed but it was a surprise to me to come back to it mainly because I just wasn't on between posts too much. Plus also mentioned he thought there might be scum on my wagon. This is mainly for me to look at tomorrow deeper because I need to get some sleep now.

Taylor: 9, 152, 276
Exorcists: 17, 128,
egotisi: 31
Isis: 173
MURDERCAT: 178

Getting back to looking at this, I like the Isis vote the least in 173. At the very least, it's against her playstyle of sorting people by talking to them rather than voting as she didn't address me at all and just followed Excorcists vote. I also found their progression to leave the wagon to reaction bait Noraa and then townreading her in 295 was weird. I don't have a problem with their vote on Xofelf to "get them in deeper" but the transition from against Noraa to trying to get them to vote her with throws up some red flags for me.

VOTE: Isis

[Random Canadian]

not a fan of the isis vote

nah there are other reasons too. I feel like RC is flailing a bit rn

Do you not like the vote because you think I'm flailing or because you don't agree with my reasoning? Both?

[Random Canadian]

@Narwhal what do you think of Plus right now?

Other than Isis right now, Plus is the other person I'm leaning scum on right now. Admittedly, he has said that he tried playing differently because he often gets mislimmed, which is part of why I am looking at Isis and have my vote there. I have mislimmed Plus in the past as town, but some of his posts in this game give me a feel that he has thought about them more and have scum drive behind them.

[Random Canadian]

Yeah, I've been leaning scum on Plus but am trying to reason it out. 346 and 351 are because for the most part I think Plus's posts fit in line with my thinking that they might be scum. However, I have a bit of a harder time seeing Plus's first post fit the scum motivation hence why I asked Xofelf in 342 what their thoughts on that post were to try and get a new perspective on it.

Spoiler: Plus's calculated posts

ya i think it doesn't mean anything @bm


hold up, upon iso checking, I think there is something I missed first read
-RC voting and defending himself then leaving is a tiny bit weird, could be nothing
-xoltelf is rather sus. specifically, the fact that they joined in like 2008 and pull a newbiecard, claiming they're rusty and they've never considered option B for meta, and seem very open minded. I don't expect people to be mafia gods just cause of an early join date but I do expect them to know what they're doing and their uncertain tone feels very fake to me.
VOTE: xoltelf

This one feels like positioning himself to suspect me later and put his vote on Xofelf for rather weak reasons in my opinion.

hmm this RC wagon is koving kinda fast
i think there could be scum on it

Later, sets himself up to look at people voting me even though he helped create momentum around the wagon on me with the previous post I quoted. He eventually did look at the votes, and picked out Murdercat as the vote he didn't like on the wagon.

I also maintain my xolef scumread

When people back his read of Xolfelf, he puts himself out as still scumreading him to keep his positioning. Xofelf hadn't posted between Plus's vote and this post so why the need to post this other than to have his positioning down in writing?

i have gamblers fallacy with noraa being scum rn

Here he gives himself a reason to not suspect Noraa at the time but this one is very weak and he says so himself that it is a fallacy. This is bigtime positioning to go after Noraa later.

279 and 280 read town to me. I think I've already mentioned to you I don't need my vote to feel people out, I can do it with my voice. My vote is more a symbol of who seems scummiest.

Seeing how you would respond is part of that.

"I think Isis will be at a scum lean" sounds like justifying a scumread rather than explaining one, speaking of, why aren't you voting me?

those posts are without a doubt within noraas scumrange
agree with taylor, noraa is one of those slots that just gets solved over time.

Hints that certain posts from Noraa could be part of her scum game. It just feels thought out to me about where Plus is trying to go and leave himself many different people to possibly scum read later. This also feels like a planned progression to eventually vote Noraa. Soft scumreading her without blatantly saying it and leaving it open enough for interpretation.

Individually his posts don't look that out of the ordinary but put together, I think he has a plan to look active and comment on the things going on. Within his comments, it looks like he could have scum motivation to put himself in position to scumread many different people later on as he needs. At the moment, he has many weak townreads but none seem that strong that he wouldn't come back on later if he needs to.

[Random Canadian]

RC I recommend metaing plus if you feel motivated enough to do it.

I really didn't like town!Plus my first game with him and I think if this was my first game with him I would possibly be scumreading him rather than townreading him

He has funky approaches

I don't feel confident enough to outright fight the wagon building on him though.

I've finished one game with Plus and another brief game that can't be talked about at the moment. I did do some meta with plus during our first game together. It just seems like he has more of a plan this game as opposed to Ancient Arthropods, he just kind of did whatever he was feeling at the time. I supported a Plus mislim in that game.

I want to be cautious because there is something to be said for people's game changing over time and like I said earlier, I have trouble seeing his first post being faked as scum.

[Random Canadian]

@Narwhal what do you think of Plus right now?

Other than Isis right now, Plus is the other person I'm leaning scum on right now. Admittedly, he has said that he tried playing differently because he often gets mislimmed, which is part of why I am looking at Isis and have my vote there. I have mislimmed Plus in the past as town, but some of his posts in this game give me a feel that he has thought about them more and have scum drive behind them.

i dislike this post. plus is a growing wagon here, while at the time pretty much nobody is looking into isis, and i think a post like this is like, a good foundation and/or springboard for jumping onto plus's wagon later while still seeming like they were ~doing things~ by ~having a vote elsewhere~

The part about being set up to vote Plus later is a fair assessment, but it is because I am hesitant. 478 wasn't where I started suspecting Plus, though. I first mentioned my thoughts on Plus in 342, which was the second person to do so after Xofelf, who I was replying to there. Then in my next couple posts I discussed the things that I are making me hesitant and trying to get more views on it. I don't think it's fair to say that 478 was a foundation for me potentially voting plus when I had been looking and trying to read them for awhile.

[Random Canadian]

xof and BM have both just hand waved you as LHF when

it’s pretty evident you aren’t giving a factual interpretation of the game.

Do you have a specific instance/scenario this is referring to here?

[Random Canadian]

xof and BM have both just hand waved you as LHF when

it’s pretty evident you aren’t giving a factual interpretation of the game.

Do you have a specific instance/scenario this is referring to here?

Who's scum narwhal?

I'm working on it. I'm not sure though and having a bit of trouble wrapping my head around this game. My initial gut read told me Isis but I need to review that, and I'm still wary of Plus. My brain feels a bit fried though from this. Will get back to this soon though after probably a reread and hoepfully some mental clarity.