Open 802: Jungle Oligarchy [Game Over]

[Marashu]

Also if someone could explain how to actually approach this setup that would be great. I'm guessing wolves first and try to go into good nightless numbers is ideal because there won't be cross kills? But I'm not sure how we actually manage to control that

We don't? I'm not sure what you're asking here. We hunt scum, and try to figure it out from there.

VOTE: Taly

[Marashu]

Titus join us on the Talywagon

[Marashu]

Hm. Early takes right now: I'm thinking Titus is town. I was townleaning Taly based on reactions to the wagon until I saw the post about meta reads. That one makes me feel apprehensive (though I can at least promise that I will not be reading through those games to fact-check). I'm feeling scum!murdercat is a very real possibility. I'm also getting gut scumpings from Klick, but I also know BM is better than me at finding scum. Klick did have a good point about Klyne, though.

Light TL on Plus. Deas might be scum? So right now I'm feeling {Murdercat, Klick, Klyne, Deas} with one more to find.

UNVOTE:

P-Edit: VOTE: Klyne - now explain your vote.

[Marashu]

Because I hate being wrong.

Now could you explain your vote?

[Marashu]

Besides you having a decent chance at being scum? You have a vote on someone I'm TRing, and promised an explanation if you got another vote. So there's your vote.

Oh wait. I think I misunderstood and thought you meant another vote on yourself and not another vote on Titus. Hm.

[Marashu]

That fake E-1 (and the follow-up post) felt pretty genuine.

[Marashu]

I'm re-assessing my take on Klyne. UNVOTE:

[Marashu]

I think the answer to that is to only listen to 7/12 of what people say

[Marashu]

Point a:

- Delay on vote by Titus is towny.

Point b:

VOTE: Titus

How did you get from Point a to Point b?

[Marashu]

VOTE: PLUSJoyed

... Go on.

[Marashu]

excellent detective work Marashu

tbh this is more likely to come from town!clidd

[Marashu]

what does murdercat-scum look like? your commentary implies that you're looking for something specific with that slot.

Not so much what it looks like as what I'm seeing and trying to figure out if it's AI. His entrance with 8 was weird to me. Correcting titus, followed by 48 looks like someone who's trying to look helpful without considering that Titus might be acting deliberately. And comments like 59, 63, and 98 feel like he's trying to stay to the sidelines. I can see these coming from scum!murdercat.

[Marashu]

Marashu, talk to me about 90 because most of those reads are the opposite of how I feel.

DV had all of one post at the time, and it was just fluff (and not in an RVS kind of way). Why do you feel strongly about Taly?

[Marashu]

Do NOT do this

His back-off from me was the freaking scummiest thing all game, even beating Titus. The way he unvoted was absolute unadulterated NOOB SCUM FEAR.

He thought "Oh shit, maybe I was a bit over-performative in the way I described my reads, I guess from now on I'll be more vague because he thought that was scummy, whew"

So is your problem with how I presented my reads, or the reads themselves? Or just the unvoting? Also, in case it changes anything, I'm not super experienced but I do roll scum a disproportionate amount of times.

pedit: allo clidd

[Marashu]

Post 8 pinged me too, but the rest of his posts are towny imo.

Why I'm not following the same line of your interpretation?

What's your take on Titus' faking E-1?

[Marashu]

That might be where our interpretation of those murdercat posts break off, then.

8 I've mentioned and so have others. So have you. This is a weird entrance.

10 and 14 - trying to shrug/laugh off post 8 which is under scrutiny.

28 on its own I don't really have a problem with. My problem is it paired with 48.

Oh sorry Titus, I'm usually better about catching that stuff.

To me this says that they a) aren't playing their usual game, and b) weren't thinking about why people were posting things (like why Titus would be warning about E-1). I've seen Titus lie as town about other things to try and catch scum off guard, which is why I think town!Titus would try this.

40 and 41 - This could be scum!murdercat trying to distance from the rvs wagon, and not really saying much about the wagon. It also could be town!murdercat dismissing an rvs wagon that built up behind him, so I'm willing to consider these NAI.

I missed 56 earlier - 59 stuck out to me in my memory. Anyway, this whole exchange felt like murdercat was egging on Titus and Klyne. He said he had thoughts he wanted to share, but the only thoughts are about Titus' comment about tone which happened after he said he had thoughts. So I'm not sure what he was thinking at the time and have doubts regarding his sincerity.

Beyond that, I'm not really seeing any attempt to solve, just to follow other people's solves.

It's clearly not as obvious to me as it seems to be for others - can you show me where MC has shown himself as town?

[Marashu]

Mara I think it's kinda weird you focus on my nonsense posts without commenting on the ones that have actual content in them. Like it kind of seems like your read is "tone is off, not solving" which is whatever but why ignore the posts that are at the very least me discussing the gamestate. If you think I'm just following other people's solves why are you not giving evidence of that.

Fair point. I also don't feel as strong about that part.

43 - shading BM, Titus.
78 has you skeptical of Taly but 82 has you give reasons to discount your previous post. But I'm unfamiliar with the meta between the two of you so I don't really know how to interpret this.
84 - shading plus.

Oh wait you weren't voting with Taly, Taly's on Plus. Why did I think Taly was on Titus? Hm.

I'll rescind what I said about you following other people's solves.

@clidd ok, but I hope you understand why I don't seem to think the slot is as obviously town.

[Marashu]

What is your read on Titus?

Probably null, I just got home so I'm not putting much effort into the game yet fyi.

Ok, do you have any reads yet?

[Marashu]

Just did my morning catch-up, but a quick question for Taly - I'd like to know your take on ORAM.

[Marashu]

Last time you posted you said you didn't have any feelings (or rather, an empty feeling). Have you felt anything yet?

[Marashu]

I think I figured out what about Klick's posts has been bugginig me. Klick keeps drawing attention to how there's a large number of scum in this game, either directly or indirectly. (post 38 directly but also implied in 42 by how there's bound to be scum on the early wagon but also town on the early wagon, and in 229 with a line of how there must be scum even if Klick thinks they are towny). This bothers me because it's shifting focus away from reading players.

Klick's townread of me I think comes out of nowhere - or rather, it seems to have shifted after more people have expressed townleans on me. I'd like to know what that thing I did was that changed your mind. And wait, why is Klyne in your townish section?

VOTE: Klick

[Marashu]

sup hosers

Who are you calling a hoser, eh?

[Marashu]

Have you never played with Klick yet?

Your case on him did not seem so persuasive, but the fact that he had a tr on you early is an interesting point of discussion.

Correct, I've never played with Klick.

[Marashu]

catching up. I'm around.