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This is a good point to discuss.In post 49, MiniVirgo wrote:
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My gut says yes.
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A couple things for this setup
One, I don't think it was ever played before. (correct me if im wrong) So we're in uncharted territory
Two, mafia will try to mess with cop results with their factional bus. Will most likely happen they think cop will check one of them. This means reduced cop effectiveness, that said, town should still aim to maximize cop's effectiveness
Three, town BD *should* try to protect the most pro-town voice-
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imo the ideal scenario that we get out of hypoclaiming should be
1. force maf to choose sub-optimal kills, or risk killing a bussed target
this is the main reason hypoclaiming bus targets is good so mafia has to guess which one is the genuine bus targets
for it to work though, the hypo target A should be the one we want to protect, and hypo target B should be spread out
I mean sure mafia can try to out-WIFOM the hypo targets but that means the plan is already working by forcing them to choose a sub-optimal target
2. allow cop to get as many valid results as possible
so yes, cop should cop the nulls/hard-to-sorts to avoid getting tangled up with the busses-
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im trying to think if this is really a disadvantage for the SBD to resolve before TBD but just to make sureIn post 73, Big Elephant wrote:
not really imo, but i need to think about this more but at first glance i think scum would try to use SBD to make sure their kill doesn't get interfered with TBD(?)In post 65, MiniVirgo wrote:2/3. Scum has their own bus drive, that happens before Town's meaning that protective the most pro-town is semi-useless and we shouldn't ever tell the Cop who to check. Not even in a given poe, they can decide on their own.
@MOD if both bus drives choose the same 2 targets {P1,P5} and the kill is sent to P1, is the kill directed to P5, or re-directed to P1?-
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it should be fairly easy to see that not agreeing with hypoclaiming or trying to undermine its efforts is anti-town, or even scum motivated might I add
especially since this setup has never been played before, it's like preferring to drive blind
this is misinformed btw
you're confusing setup/role spec inCLOSEsetups with determining breaking strategies inOPENsetups-
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hah, don't feel like talking to a wall so I'll emphasize the bolded
also encourage other people to weigh in on this
In post 121, yessiree wrote:it should be fairly easy to see that not agreeing with hypoclaiming or trying to undermine its efforts is anti-town, or even scum motivated might I add
especially since this setup has never been played before, it's like preferring to drive blind-
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FTFY
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those games were from forever ago though, at least that's what it feels like, i think i'll need to re-visit those to jog my memory a bitIn post 155, Almost50 wrote:You should still have a good idea about my town play at the very least, seeing as you modded me thrice and I was Town in all of them
and maybe i just might, at least to remind me what quality posting feels like, cause i remember that much for sure-
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i mean if you wanna shitpost why dont you just shitpost on the cesspool aka reddit
or or 4chan or facebook or some shit
but no no no, lets instead signup for a forum game, wait for it to fill, wait for it to start, and then lets shitpost in the thread, cause apparently thats whats giving me the dopamine rush
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I read this like 3 times and I cant see this coming from townIn post 373, Professor Mafia wrote:big elephant is hardcore omgussing. MWNN/A50 are probably both town
hot take: I have a mild SR on MiniVirgo. Trying to defend A50 sounds a bit like a buddy attempt imo.
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the point is less about finding an "optimal" strategy and follow it to the letter, but more about having that discussion as early as possible and get everyone on the same page so we can all collectively move on with the gameIn post 295, Almost50 wrote:
If a setup proves to be breakable it'd be revoked from the list. In other words, all open setups available are unbreakable (or at least have not been proven to be yet). I suspect what you mean is "find a best strategy to maximize our chances to win" which is subject to everyone's PoV and playstyle. In some forums it is customary to massclaim on D1, as they believe THAT is the "best strategy" to play the game (from Town PoV). I happen to disagree. Would you vote me based on that disagreement? Would you vote someone who suggested a massclaim here because they're used to it there?In post 204, Big Elephant wrote:
+1In post 131, yessiree wrote:also encourage other people to weigh in on this
we should try and break the setup instead of just blindly playing this
prof mafias being anti-town, and seeing as they're an alt (probably hectic) it's pretty scummy of them
prof mafia pushed me for apparently having reads (?) when im clearly trying to solve instead of shitpushing here
prof mafia also soft-defended johnny with the shade on MWNN (and sudden reverse of it is illogical), which is very weird
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mostly null to me, haven't gotten any hard pings from that slot so i haven't tried to sort him yetIn post 385, Big Elephant wrote:-S
yessireee thoughts on johnny slot? im SR'ing there rather hard
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i definitely dont TR johnny farrar yet but i can agree with his take on prof mafIn post 387, yessiree wrote:
mostly null to me, haven't gotten any hard pings from that slot so i haven't tried to sort him yetIn post 385, Big Elephant wrote:-S
yessireee thoughts on johnny slot? im SR'ing there rather hard
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plus that dude is getting his kidney stone removed so im cutting him some slack here-
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i dont see it as a fail thoIn post 427, Almost50 wrote:
If it's likely to fail then discussing it is a waste of time and effort.In post 386, yessiree wrote:the point is less about finding an "optimal" strategy and follow it to the letter, but more about having that discussion as early as possible and get everyone on the same page so we can all collectively move on with the game
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dam boy, big brain scum be doing setup spec in an open setupIn post 432, Elbirn wrote:I wont townread setup spec because it's strictly NAI-
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In post 437, Elbirn wrote:
you know what I'm talking about, eat my entire assholeIn post 436, yessiree wrote:
dam boy, big brain scum be doing setup spec in an open setupIn post 432, Elbirn wrote:I wont townread setup spec because it's strictly NAI-
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In post 432, Elbirn wrote:^ this is good energy ^
I will put the elephants into my pocket where they will be safe from harmSpoiler:
In post 432, Elbirn wrote:I will also be pocketing Harold.
not for the read so much as the banter, we need good banter.Spoiler:-
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why exactly does minivirgo/big elephant contain scum? what about them make you think it has to be a TvS? what about them makes it impossible to be a TvT? and are you insinuating that they could be a SvS??In post 452, Professor Mafia wrote:MiniVirgo/Big Elephant contains scum, idk why people call BE "low charisma wagon" that slot is just obtuse and scummy
Derp is rather town imo, tone has been good, A50's playing to their town meta
get Elephant today this will solve the game
how is BE "obtuse and scummy"? how will getting BE today help solve the game?
what's ur basis for derp TR?
what's ur experiencing with A50? do you know him well enough to identify his town meta?
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MV, my guy, I know you think you have some spicy read but I really dont see anything convincing from your case
imo you're over reading too much into the "perspective slips", trying to be townread is NAI, and being a little self-conscious is mostly NAI, UNLESS it's excessive. ofc this is coming from me without any prior exp /w shelly
all i see is a player who's actively trying to bounce ideas between her TRs
and besides, all this back-and-forth between you and shelly is dominating the pace of the game which is allowing potential scum to coast and fly under the radar
i'd ask you to consider the scenario that you vs shelly is TvT and consider the gamestate from that perspective-
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In post 507, MiniVirgo wrote:
This is extremely hilarious to me considering, but again I can't say anything about it.In post 506, yessiree wrote:and besides, all this back-and-forth between you and shelly is dominating the pace of the game which is allowing potential scum to coast and fly under the radarSpoiler:-
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bruh i voted professor mafia a while ago
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my goodness, REALLY? I almost forgot what day it isIn post 566, derp wrote:
of course. i believe this is day 1In post 457, ManWithNoName wrote:
about the gamestate.In post 425, derp wrote:
define "of note"In post 421, ManWithNoName wrote:derp, do you have anything of note to actually say?-
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do you really think a gimmick alt that thinks he was the leading wagon when he had like 1 vote on him will be bothered to force out some reads to avoid getting flakIn post 597, Nandor the Relentless wrote:I'm not sure if you're saying this exactly, but scum!derp might be incentived to force some reads out to avoid flak? That's actually reasonable. My theory was that you were a launchbait type of player, one that struggles to make reads as scum, so just doesn't try out of fear. The things you've been saying in your push back here kind of suggest otherwise though, so I don't believe in it anymore.
UNVOTE: derp I will relent, but only THIS ONCE
Are you sherlock?
do you really?
yea I think you're onto something friendIn post 641, MiniVirgo wrote:Derp would be such as easy push for scum to make yet nobody except me is pushing it. Either that makes me scum or makes derp scum uwu
Mainly a joke but perhaps holds some weight.
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how can you look at prof maf's ISO and not smell the stench?In post 656, MiniVirgo wrote:Nandor is far from lock-town. ProfessorMafia is also likely Town. Can anyone actually explain the SR on them thank
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I wanted to hear back from Prof Maf first but here's more or less where I'm at
his big elephant push is mostly done in bad faith to look active
the initial read and the vote there isn't bad, but since then he has not shown any genuine read progression, continued to shitpush big elephant with crap logic piled on top of crap logic
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Accuses BE's trajectories to TR people cheap, but is perfectly fine with throwing out TRs for no good reason
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calls miniVirgo scum, who is the most vocal voice in pushing BE, WHILE pushing BE himself at the same time
and then throws out the absolute banger "a lot of scum are inactive", backtracks with "at least 1 inactive scum, BE/MiniVergo contains scum"
this is a red flag, there's way many holes in his logic here, I don't see any real conviction in his read
which seems to me this is Prof Maf content with fanning the flames from the side rather than pushing his SR in good faith-
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how about I call you the personality disorder syndrome?In post 657, MiniVirgo wrote:Also if you won't mind, if you're addressing JacksonVirgo (me) specificically use JV or JacksonVirgo and if you're referencing MiniMegabyte please use that name or Mini.
If you're talking about us in combination, or this account use MiniVirgo or MV. Thank you, because I remember Nandor (I think) referencing Mini finding the double vote thing when it was me and I want to make that clarification.
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thank you good sir, may i please inquire what other high tier analysis you can bless us on this here day 1In post 663, derp wrote:
this is the high tier analysis i was brought in for so i am glad to see even plebs like u find it usefulIn post 647, yessiree wrote:
my goodness, REALLY? I almost forgot what day it isIn post 566, derp wrote:
of course. i believe this is day 1In post 457, ManWithNoName wrote:
about the gamestate.In post 425, derp wrote:
define "of note"In post 421, ManWithNoName wrote:derp, do you have anything of note to actually say?-
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and my axeIn post 672, ManWithNoName wrote:
Only two of us said we would be willing to go derp and he has not leveled a Scum read on us?In post 667, shellyc wrote:
so you SR everyone that SRs youIn post 665, derp wrote:dear derp still believes this is likely to be scum hectic but dear derp is now also good with yeeting shelly for betraying my trust
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this gets more interesting the more I read into itIn post 680, Nandor the Relentless wrote:
Yes. There's no scum motivation to fake it, it serves no purpose for them.In post 642, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
I'm more willing to believe in some level of intent rather than simple coincidence. Does that make me paranoid?In post 628, Nandor the Relentless wrote:Why is this more likely than uncoordinated hydra town who both happened to vote derp? I really don't see why one is more likely than the other.
The worrying thing is that this extremely tinfoil theory is all it took for you to forget about your defenses of the large elephant and hop on.
so Johnny goes 180 on big elephant on the basis that one head of BE tried to distance themselves from derp in rvs?
here's my tinfoil theory: johnny and derp could both be scum so johnny was probably deeply aware of distancing himself from derp and picked up on BE doing the same thing-
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Whats america running for these days? Profitting off of war and human suffering again?In post 721, ManWithNoName wrote:Yo, I voted for America today, took 5 hours.-
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truly a 'murica first mindset if I do say so myselfIn post 748, Bingle wrote:
Mafia is a 0 sum fun game. There is a limited amount of fun to be had, and the only way to ensure all of it is mine is to make sure no one else has any.In post 746, yessiree wrote:eww, speak for yourself man-
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