Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[shadowslug]

What is up with all you fine specimens?
VOTE: Notmafia
Need I say why?

why

[shadowslug]

i may or may not be harkening back to my old wallposting style

:O skitter is here to revive the lost art of wallposting

scummy

VOTE: infinity

[shadowslug]

Hi shadowslug, I see you are an alt but you are still relatively inexperienced with non-newbie games is that correct?

inexperienced with all forms of games

[shadowslug]

i like skitter but they seem kinda nervous right now

UNVOTE:

[shadowslug]

Penguin why did you call me newbie twice and not just my name that's pompous of you

[shadowslug]

Uh its just not a post scum makes?

~ skitter

nervous isn't the right word but this seems like you're getting annoyed at their questioning of you in a defensive way

[shadowslug]

i might be new but that doesnt mean you should say "newbie did this" for every move i make

it's like saying the "new guy" when you have a new person at school. it's a little patronising

[shadowslug]

I don’t really think skitter came off as defensive, maybe like.. confused that infinity assumed a reason for her read that wasn’t true and wasn’t stated. Can we instead talk about why shadowslug seems to think her response is “annoyed in a defensive way”?

- Daenerys

Well now this just seems like you're inviting other people to question me rather than doing the dirty work yourself

[shadowslug]

Actually first question which I dont think anyone asked yet is why is that Yyotta post not one scum would make?

[shadowslug]

Actually first question which I dont think anyone asked yet is why is that Yyotta post not one scum would make?

Why not ask her yourself if you think the answer is important?

- Daenerys

You just used my own words against me! And that is directed towards skitter ofcourse.

[shadowslug]

Had to reread to make sure I read the situation correctly

Here's my intepration:

Skitter: yyotta is townie
Infinity: I disagree with reads of this nature
Skitter: I didn't make that read

The problem is skitter immediately defends their thought process rather than trying to correct Infinity. As far as i can see skitter never says why Yyotta's opening is not scum. It was immediately on the defensive. That's why it pinged me.

[shadowslug]

Shadow, why was lilith saying "can we talk about" in 116 scummy but murder saying "can we talk about skitter" not?

Missed this

Uhh I missed this actually, but I don't mind Murder since he thinks there might be value in pushing skitter a bit and seemed content with letting that play out and didn't like you guys switching focus

[shadowslug]

I’m scrunching my nose.

This seems too easy.

So fake lol

[shadowslug]

how can you be so confident rather than asking questions like Infinity is doing

[shadowslug]

Ok skitter so why didn't you explain why Yyotta's post is not a scum one

[shadowslug]

You literally quoted a post where I am questioning my read.

Questioning your read why? Because it seems so easy? that's bullcrap reasoning

[shadowslug]

@infinity i have exactly no meta on yyotta but it doesnt feel like a post scum makes

~ skitter

Lol

But WHYYYY? Why can't scum prepare a post like that one?

[shadowslug]

If it feels like there may be a flaw in your read then that's worth pursuing

But rather than question/make a post that would further develop your thoughts you choose to post a "Hmm guys Im totally reconsidering rn"

Ur being scummy

[shadowslug]

I don’t have to engage you when others are doing it.

My 133 is flagging that maybe you’re just playing like a bad new town player instead of a scum new player.

And what posts of mine gave you this impression? What's the distinction?

[shadowslug]

Early town reads are good. Calling early town reads scummy is scummy

Oh I misread ignore me

Nub

[shadowslug]

i don't fully know how to explain that one, it just doesn't

it's just like a little too 'bold' for (newb) scum to make i think; scum would have to feel p darn comfortable to have an entrance like that, and i'm not sure i see it

~ skitter

Thanks, I agree with you

[shadowslug]

Avoiding (twice!) the question while attacking the player questioning your behavior is very new player scum behavior.

Very “new player scum behavior”

Not

“Very new player” scum behavior

^^^ that’s probably town sort mentality even if it’s wrong on me and prob shadow

you make this series of posts after the "scrunching my nose" post

So you're questioning your read while directly contradicting people that say I'm townie

[shadowslug]

So is your problem that I'm too certain in my read or that I'm conflicted?

You're going to have to settle on which one you want to say makes me scum so you can finally finish this tiresome windup.

My problem is you jump from confident to conflicted in a way that doesn't look real

You're conflicted one moment then shooting people down who say i'm town the next

You're "seems too easy" post seems fake in light of the posts coming

directly after it

that imply you think i'm just scum

[shadowslug]

Hmm ok

Do you think my grievances about GC are legitimate or am I being stupid?

[shadowslug]

Hmm ok

Do you think my grievances about GC are legitimate or am I being stupid?

Anyone is free to answer this question also

[shadowslug]

{GC, PP, Murderkitten} is the bloc I currently prefer never be hooded* not necessarily that I find every member in the bloc scummy as of now.

-Dumbass

Wat the heck is hooded

[shadowslug]

I unvoted infinity cos I thought 5 votes equaled a hammer btw. I don't think that Infinity post i quoted was even that scummy either, just an in the moment gut read thing.

[shadowslug]

If mafia bomb dies does mafia goon also die if they aren't in the hood

[shadowslug]

I can't understand anything! First of all, I'm struggling with all of your names, specially with the profile/personal names. Secondly, at the first few pages, I thought everything is going on in RVS state, then suddenly everything becomes serious and it messes my head cause I can't find/understand the basis of these votes at all. I need to re-read the thread again.

Locktown

[shadowslug]

I unvoted infinity cos I thought 5 votes equaled a hammer btw. I don't think that Infinity post i quoted was even that scummy either, just an in the moment gut read thing.

So you paid enough attention to see that there was an infinity vote, but not enough attention to see that that very post said that it was six to hammer?

No I didn't read 82 when I unvoted, posts were coming in pretty quick at that time

Why would I not want to be on a miselim wagon? I wouldn't care if Infinity gets quick elim'd as maf. I'm hardly going to cop suspicion just for having voted him. Maybe you could argue my unvote was performative, which I'd accept even if it wasn't. But your current reasoning doesn't make sense. Why does it feel like you've already concluded I'm maf and are just trying to find things to justify your read?

[shadowslug]

VOTE: GC

GC keeps pinging me, I guess it doesn't feel like there's genuine scumhunting underneath his caginess?

Shadow, I feel like that would be scummy if anything? (Newbscum are more likely to be lost/confused I think) Though the slip was probably genuine.

I felt similar confusion at all the names. I'm

still

getting the D+D's mixed up. The desire to try and understand why people are voting/get a clear grasp of the game feels very townie to me. And her in-the-moment questioning after that post solidifies this TR.

[shadowslug]

VOTE: shadowslug

By far my strongest SR after catching up.
Need to talk to lilith more.

-Dragons

Doubt you need to talk to lilith since you've both read the game in the same way

You both defend skitter and ascribe scummy intent to my questioning of skitter (why? you acknowledge skitter might come off as defensive to people who aren't familiar with her play, so isn't my point legitimate?)

[shadowslug]

I don’t really think skitter came off as defensive, maybe like.. confused that infinity assumed a reason for her read that wasn’t true and wasn’t stated. Can we instead talk about why shadowslug seems to think her response is “annoyed in a defensive way”?

- Daenerys

To clarify on why I didn't like this post - the first sentence was fine and the post could have ended there. The second post invites pressure to me without lilith trying to work out my thought process directly. That was what drew my attention foremost. Why you think drawing attention to myself by not just answering the question is scum indicative i don't know.

[shadowslug]

VOTE: GC

GC keeps pinging me, I guess it doesn't feel like there's genuine scumhunting underneath his caginess?

Shadow, I feel like that would be scummy if anything? (Newbscum are more likely to be lost/confused I think) Though the slip was probably genuine.

I felt similar confusion at all the names. I'm

still

getting the D+D's mixed up. The desire to try and understand why people are voting/get a clear grasp of the game feels very townie to me. And her in-the-moment questioning after that post solidifies this TR.

Also - scum may be lost and confused, but they probably don't want to

appear

lost and confused. So the earnestness in being confused and the fact I felt similarly earns a townread from me. Do you feel there's a difference between being and appearing?

[shadowslug]

I don't have a strong reason to vote Infinity in the first place. It's like page 2. Not a lock in scumread. Already said this. I don't need to provide a reason to unvote infinity either; you're taking an absence of reasoning on my part and drawing a cynical conclusion. If you wanted a reason you could have just asked rather than call me mafia.

"I don't like that he throws suspicion at another player while unvoting" - Ok? explain why this is a scumtell.

"I don't like that he doesn't vote to either replace his insanity vote or to follow through on his suspicion" - My suspicions were on skitter at that point, who I did follow up with. I don't need to vote.

Anything else I missed? Why are you so desperate for me to be mafia?

[shadowslug]

Also I think 6 votes is a hammer so now... Even though my brain is still struggling to understand what is going on...
VOTE: shadowslug

If you don't know what's going on why the hell are you voting me?

[shadowslug]

@skitter

if you townread me is there a reason you aren't questioning crayons

[shadowslug]

I see that but you seem to be content with just voting him and not questioning him

[shadowslug]

What am i supposed to be questioning him abt? He hasnt done much to change my mind

your scumread is attacking your townread right? im surprised you dont want to comment or critique the posts he is making to either get a further grasp on your scumread, or generate discussion for other people to read into. how do you normally play as town?

[shadowslug]

VOTE: Daenerys and Dragons

[shadowslug]

cuz i didnt like cakez entrance but i know a couple ppl have a meta TR on them so im open to hearing more on that

i want to vote GC mostly cus he's a bastard but i think he might just be really stubborn and not scum possibly

[shadowslug]

actually fug it i change my mind

VOTE: Green Crayons

i thought about it some more and your infinity miselim argument thing pressuposes infinity is town... if anything it shows

you're

informed about his role, not me

[shadowslug]

Penguin, are you checked out bc your partners are shadow and cat?

why would he be checked out if that was the case? i'm coming off this altercation way better than you are lol

[shadowslug]

skitter you know i love you and i think you’re great. this isn’t personal.

@whoever is interested: skitter is within top 3 players onsite with ability to read me. probably top 1 if not close to it. she has crazy accuracy on me. therefore I will consider scumreading me a scumclaim, from her specifically.

@whoever else is interested re: “this argument is going nowhere”: I have unorthodox methods, I know. they don’t make a lot of sense to most people, I know. However, my methods have really worked for me - see [redacted].

- Daenerys

what tells do you think you have given so far that skitter would be able to pick up on and townread you for? isn't that townread also based on you being able to effectively play to your town meta in a way that skitter can identify?

about the unorthodox methods - what is this referring to? was that altercation with auro an example of that?

[shadowslug]

i think a few people have said auro is posting weird or scummy or whatever - can someone explain this? not getting that impression right now

[shadowslug]

i think a few people have said auro is posting weird or scummy or whatever - can someone explain this? not getting that impression right now

have you read my posts?

- Daenerys

@shadow Well lilith was confused about whether flavor and notsci were in the game, and auro said that was posturing. Like lilith, I was confused about what advantage scum!lilith would get from doing that (how would it make her look towny/someone else look scummy?). He also didn't readily explain his POV. I disagree with lilith that it was necessarily scum-indicative, but I'd like auro to explain his reasoning in more depth

yes and i understand why he might think you're posturing since your reaction seemed a little overblown relative to the circumstances. i get wanting to take the game seriously and dedicate brain power to things that matters, but jokes are just... jokes aren't they? is it worth getting riled up over that?

i think scum definitely wanna look like they're taking the game seriously, that they're focused on finding mafia rather than goofing off, but i'll let auro answer for himself on that one

i thought your read on auro was based on overall game rather than that specific instance hence why i inquired since i don't find his game cagey overall

[shadowslug]

lol I don’t think this is ever a problem for me, but sure:
- probing questions
- level of interest
- engagement with specific people
- skitter herself at the very beginning of this game brought up my “excitement.” I disagree that this is a perfect tell for me on principle but this is probably true to some extent.

would these not be able to be faked as mafia and would you not alter your playstyle to appeal to the people that can read you if you are scum?

[shadowslug]

lol I don’t think this is ever a problem for me, but sure:
- probing questions
- level of interest
- engagement with specific people
- skitter herself at the very beginning of this game brought up my “excitement.” I disagree that this is a perfect tell for me on principle but this is probably true to some extent.

would these not be able to be faked as mafia and would you not alter your playstyle to appeal to the people that can read you if you are scum?

trust me, I’ve tried. skitter is now something like 5/5 on me. I really hate to use self-meta/examine my own scumgames but.... I’m pretty polarized.

I had a vague sense of unease on auro’s posts before today but not really anything concrete

- Daenerys

ok, gotcha

i think i am coming around to you being town just because your entitlement to being townread feels very townie to me

[shadowslug]

Isn't skitter really good at scum? Like she is surface level townie sure but I am worried about that.

is this in relation to something in particular or just a random thought

[shadowslug]

what is this [redacted] business

[shadowslug]

i'll be honest i have no idea what to do anymore since that whole ongoing games debacle just kinda took the wind outta the game a bit

also no idea who maf is lol

[shadowslug]

But by unvoting infinity while simultaneously shading skitter without a skitter vote is inconsistent with how shadow plays the game with his votes. That is--if he's a town player who throws down votes early to get a reaction, then presumably he would have unvoted infinity and voted skitter. Because he didn't act in conformity to his initial play suggests that he is being calculating with his votes.

it's inconsistent based on your sample size of one

[shadowslug]

@cakez

why do you scumread me again? i don't think you explained

[shadowslug]

although that vote is pretty questionable ...

penguin you're beating me to everything cuz i have to keep switching accounts >.>

i think your'e a town penguin now btw!

~ skitter

what changed your mind about PP? looks like he's playing the same to me

[shadowslug]

@gamma

how do you feel about infinity now