Open 808: The Council Has Spoken

[mozamis]

I guess no point healing until we figure out who are strongest town reads are?

[mozamis]

why are people voting to heal, surely they cant have any idea of who town is yet?

[mozamis]

VOTE: T-BONE

Meat is murder

[mozamis]

HEAL: ah ha

[mozamis]

that was rvs vote

[mozamis]

i guess seems a bit hasty dont want to yet

[mozamis]

@ Battle Mage - RVS is traditonal. Seems unlikely we are going to have a quick Elim.
Why rush vote a council when we dont have to? I want the council to be solid town.
Often 3 peple do look really town, so we have a fair chance of doing that. Why do you want to rush a council vote?

[mozamis]

I'm secretly a bit of a T-Bone fan

that's great and all, but you can't possibly knpw whether he is town or scum yet. Best to unvote.

[mozamis]

the real question is why does battle mage have a milftank avatar

WHOAH, keep your fetishes to yourself. -b

this sort of banter probably town, drawing attention to themsleves
Provis council: Moz, Yessiree,

[mozamis]

HEAL: ah ha

Bad spelling. It's a-ha

if I press that link, will I end up trying to hit a note that I will never be able to hit lol

[mozamis]

ok, almost looking town. He's posting more very freely, good luck to him if he is scum, he is playing a very good game.

HEAL: mozamis, almost50, yessiree

[mozamis]

'mozzyman

i kinda like mozzyman lol

[mozamis]

Am I todays leading wagon yet lol
Can't really talk about it but yeah...people love to wagon me lol

[mozamis]

So the first few pages tell us Almost and Battle Mage are town.
DEAR FUTURE PARANOID MOZ: THIS IS THE TRUTH!

[mozamis]

if Mozamis was town, they would think I could potentially be scum.

VOTE: mozamis

You've got this wrong. I was saying that you couldnt possibly know whether T-Bone was town at that point. I wasn't talking about you.

[mozamis]

I legitimately laughed. Your bar for "a very good game" needs to be raised. xD

what do you think about Almost50 calling out your slip?

There was no slip, you misread the post. See my post above.
Nope, your bar for being intelligent needs to be raised Look, back off. It's early game, trying to give out some provisional reads. OF COURSE ALMOST COULD DO THAT AS SCUM. But early on, it looks town.

[mozamis]

I do agree with Enchant's plan to appoint one council member first, on the simple basis that voting one person is more feasible than voting a three-member combination all at once

as for how the remaining 2 are chosen, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it

Seems a good idea, with obvious caveat that you cannot vote for yourself.
HEAL: UNHEAL ALL

[mozamis]

HEAL: ALMOST 50

[mozamis]

i guess in someways you dont need the tags sice it wont be counted by the mod, ut it makes it easier to see.

[mozamis]

After that, this person choose someone.

Problem is, if first person we choose for council is scum we could have problems.
Why dont we just do the same plan again for the second and third person on the council?

[mozamis]

no you misread one of my posts, go back and read it again.
Howevr, I agree we should have an open vote.

[mozamis]

I'd say the player is a credible top scumread.

yeah i see what you mean now that you could be scum ,and WOULD know T-bones alignment. I was going off the assumption that you no one knows anything at the moment. but yeah, i guess you could have been scum saying that about T-Bone.
seems really unlikely tho.
all this still points BM being town, I cant scum going out on a limb like this early on, it's a minefield of wifom and drawing attention to thwmselves.

[mozamis]

I'm generally against plans because it fosters fake cooperation. I'd rather people independently play their best. Yes, it means cooperation is harder, but it also means it is more genuine (and thus less prone to manipulation).

what are your reads so far?

[mozamis]

So far Enchant, Almost, BM, Yes town.
Arte prob town.
Tbone worries me a bit.

[mozamis]

Raya prob town as well

[mozamis]

So scum are in:
Nono, TBone
lol i have town read everyone else
game solved then!

[mozamis]

VOTE: T BONE

[mozamis]

@ Almost, yes I said that in p169.

[mozamis]

Catching up. Where are we on the Council plan?We voting one name at a time, or en masse?

[mozamis]

BM rings me as town, A50 so far is NAI

Almost is a little bit meta, I cant talk about it. He just seesm to be posting really freely.

[mozamis]

Pretty skeptical the team is Nono-T-Bone

why? I haven't caught up but they looked the least town. Where did they look town to you?

[mozamis]

HEAL BATTLE MAGE

so that's the hammer for our unofficial vote, yeah?

[mozamis]

So what I am unclear on is does BM now choose next member, or do we go again with our top pick?
Its like a fantasy football auction lol

[mozamis]

HEAL: UNHEAL ALL

[mozamis]

Everyone should officially unvote unitl we have outr unofficial votes sorted out.
Dont want scum to hammer until we get the council we want.

[mozamis]

what I am worried about is Tbone being on the council If someone could unvote that slot.

[mozamis]

I actually think the t-bone-mozzyman team to be a real possibility

It isnt.

[mozamis]

lol aaaaagh hate that song lol

[mozamis]

what the HECKA, it ate my paragraph

oh well, TLDR - weird interaction between tbone-mozzy that ends in mutual SR but no real intention to get each other SR'ed by others

I scum read him early on, mainly by P.O.E but I'm happy with it. Nothing weird about it.
Anyway, good call for voting BM for council he is so likely town.

[mozamis]

Well, Tbone has amped their contributions which kooks town. Leaving me with one scumread lol
Ah well early day one, Ican liv with that. Still dont really want T on council just in case my early gut read is valid.
BM, Almost, Yessiree council? Yesirees "Moz and Tbone are bussing scum" looks paranoid town to me.

[mozamis]

Enchant is null tho.
They have done a lot of "organise the council posts", but not many reads. Info w/out analysis. Not saying scum, but null. Not council material.
Sorry if you are "helpful town" tho!

[mozamis]

So what happened? I think you didn't read a thing and pulled this completely out of your ass. Am I wrong?

It was a really early provisional read. Your early posts were lacking in any real content. Re-read the beginning of the game. It's quite straightforward.

[mozamis]

I though about Council for a bit and have feeling, it's not so usefull overall.

I don't want to give mafia tips, so i will tell this when this become issue.

This looks really town. Scum would be so paranoid about people saying "why are you not telling us now/withholding etc"
Enchant in town pile.

[mozamis]

T-Bone's being a pain in the arse, so probabyl "annoyed town".
scum team Arte and Nono? NONO HASNT DOne ANYTHING, AND aRTE KINDA LOOKS FRIENDLY AND BLAND. sorry caps.
So I guess I'd have anyone in council bar them.

[mozamis]

I guess Raya COULD be scum at a stretch?
Moz, Almost, BM, Tbone, Enchant, Yessiree are town.
2 scum out of arte nono raya.

[mozamis]

So are waiting for Bm to pick another member?

[mozamis]

Shouldn't still be voting T-Bone, Nono and arte look most scummy.
UNVOTE:

[mozamis]

Alright.

Artemiana, your choice?

So is too late for me to disagree with the plan? Really dont want Arte on Council.
BM -could you choose someone else? Ayone but Arte or Nono?

[mozamis]

I guess as long as Arte doesnt pick Nono it is ok? Then the 2 other council members can over rule Arte.

[mozamis]

yassuree is annoying, if i had gun i would shot him before he die

another really town post. scum try not to alienate everyone.

[mozamis]

sorry sorry, will read in a hour or two, come up with valuable contributions etc

looking forward to it

[mozamis]

Anyone disagree?

not happy about it, but raya prob town
BM if you could try and track one of Arte,Raya, Nono, that would be someting. Maybe doc enchant or yourself?

[mozamis]

I wanna read everything enchant says in an Indian accent. Idk why

Anyway, aunty artie is taking me out on a hunting trip all weekend!

You all behave while this young goddess is gone!

V/LA up until sunday night/Monday afternoon

I just came in because the typo needed fixing. -brass

wow another contentless post from arte.

fine put her on the council - then we still lynch them?

[mozamis]

damn they are protected for the day ok forget that

[mozamis]

The reason is gut and for reasons I can't explain,

my worry was that y ou might be friends with her and so start off biased.

[mozamis]

that was about Arte

[mozamis]

t's not straight forward considering I dismantled your read with the facts of reading the game. So try again. Your read was based on a verifiably false reason and I'm not willing to let that go without a good explanation.

dial back the agression,ok? Try and be civil.
It was straightforward. Read the early game. You're early posts were light and fluffy. So early game, you looked the least town. Simple.

[mozamis]

I personally don't agree with switching out who's in the council. I think if we made a plan we should stick with it and I don't agree that BM and Artemiana are both scum

cANT SEE bm being scum at all. Arte coul dbe.
I dont really like arte in council but if thats what we've got, the hopefully you and BM can keep him in check, maybe hes town nayway.
can we lynch Nono?
VOTE: NONO

[mozamis]

If we don't lynch Nono today, and Arte is elected on council, we could always track Arte. Then there is a chance we might negate the NK. If Nono is "lazy scum", then we can stop arte doing anyhting, and Nono may not bother with the Nk.
Bit of a longshot, but I would ask Bm and Raya to keep it in mind.

[mozamis]

Yep, 100% agree. Nobody should be discussing anything to do with who the council picks except the council in their PT.

Just giving them advice, they ain't gods, and arte is likely scum, so I want them to be careful. They are free to completely ignore my advice, which doubtless they will lol

[mozamis]

Also, I know you're beastial in nature, mozzy man, but I don't think its beneficial to bite one of the few hands willing to feed you

Bestial moz takes that as a guarantee of action on the first date

Joking aside, nearly all your posts have been fluff so far, hence the scum read.

[mozamis]

Any chance of a quick compromise on the council? I will take Raya in if you guys drop one of BM/Artem. My fear is we "might" be making BOTH Scum unkillable today, which would mean we are killing Town regardless after we finalize the council as it is.

I won't even dictate and alternative. Just pick one of Moz/T-B/yes and place them in one of BM/Artem spots.

Well thanks for not dictating
I could go for BM/Raya/moz Bm/Raya/Tbone
I'll vote for anyone barring Arte and Nono tbh

[mozamis]

well, if we dont have any decsions soon
INTENT TO HEAL BM, ARTE AND RAYA.
May god help us all.

[mozamis]

that you'd rather kill A50 over nono is mind boggling to me

have we lynched Almost? He seemed town to me. Nono didnt. Why?
Guess I should catch up, but feel thats a mistake.

[mozamis]

Still not fully caught up, but this looks better:
HEAL: BM, TBONE, RAYA

[mozamis]

well,good luck to the council
Just remember, your not the boss of me

[mozamis]

*you're

[mozamis]

welp, looks pretty simple to me

HEAL: Artemiana, Battle Mage, Enchant

VOTE: mozamis

The rebel in me wants to say "yeah, screw the council, lets change it up", but in reality: if it ain't broke, dont fix it? No Nk from scum so maybe council did something right?
Still bit worried by Arte, but I was wrong about Almost so maybe wrong about Arte. In truth, although I cant talk about it, all my reads seem to be ARSE recently.

HEAL: BATTLE MAGE, ARTEMANIA, T-BONE[/code]

Scum reads: why even bother...

[mozamis]

HEAL: BATTLE MAGE, ARTEMANIA,T-BONE

[mozamis]

Me, bone, Yessiree obvious suspects (didnt vote for Almost).
I always think scum tend not to bus, particularly when there are only two of them.
Leaving Tbone and Yesiree.
If they did bus, my main suspect would be BM as if you read Almost's ISO, there is a lot of "mentionitis" from Almost about BM.
So i guess my main suspects are BM, Yes and Tbone.

[mozamis]

that makes a nonsense of my council vote tho.

[mozamis]

HEAL: unheal all

[mozamis]

Although I guess Nono shouldnt be completely exonorated.
Almost could have bussed him, knowing the wagon was going nowhere. Maybe Nono bussed Almost early and dint have time to get off the wagon?
Lot of maybes...but stuff to ponder.

[mozamis]

Unless mafia doesh't have braincells, is it.

Should emphahsise you English is really good. But this sentence made me chuckle

[mozamis]

*emphasise

[mozamis]

What do you think about A50 swapping tbone out for me

world of WIFOM. Could be him trying to make scumArte! look town ,Or Almost making townArte! look scum etc etc

[mozamis]

Mozzy, why do you keep voicing the fact that you don't want me in the council, and that I'm maybe scum here and not outright fighting it, or voting me in despite feeling weird about me?

I dont know for sure you are scum. And the council seemed to work last night.
Scum could just a easily be Nono, Tbone, Yesiree and BM.
So i guess my townbloc is me and Enchant.
Raya is bland which in itelf is worrying.
So I do hve some suspectd after all!
Lynch Moz for changing his reads nd being really rransparent about it like in evry other game!

[mozamis]

*transparent.
Whole post a train wreck really lol

[mozamis]

@ Arte your posts Today seem really town for what it's worth, "game solvy".

[mozamis]

And discountng Almost's interactions with BM, BM was laughably lown Day 1.
So Moz, Enchant, BM town.
Arte prob town.
Evryone else scum lol

[mozamis]

As Churchill put it to me back in May 1940: "You and I will be dead in a weeks time".
Guaranteee that I'm the next lynch lol

[mozamis]

HEAL: MOZAMIS, BATTLE MAGE, ENCHANT

I'll kill myself if Enchant is scum.

[mozamis]

Dear Arte,
I hope you are well.
Re: Almost wanting you off the council:
Like i said it is WIFOM. Which is probably why Almost did it. Like when scum give a reads list shortly before they are lynched, knowing peope will look over it. Causes confusion, gets people talking about it.
And Lo! We are talking about it.
Also quite likely that Almost just wanted to appear to be doing SOMETHING. "Oh, how town of Almost to give out a clear request like that".
As to the WIFOM side of things, I lean towards it clearing you, because most scum probably don't want to draw this much attentionto their scum buddies. But wifomy, so you are not completely cleared.
You're more cleared by your efforts Today.
Yours sincerely,
Lynch Bait Moz.

[mozamis]

So T Bone is town then. Ridiculous "effort post" from ScumTbone! otherwise, Can't really see it. Town.

[mozamis]

@ Arte, also it look slike I wrongly thought you were in the council last night LOL sorry.

[mozamis]

Kill me now lol

[mozamis]

Main point of interest was T-Bone coming up with an odd idea for the night actions which would have guaranteed us no information

I see you and T-Bone as both town. I suspect T-Bone is cross with you for crticising him, hence his vote for you.
But why your vote on T-Bone, his plan didnt sound scummy? Maybe wrong, I dont know, but not scummy?

Anyway, brace yourself people for two of the games big egos pulverising the fuck out of each other...
Town v town.

[mozamis]

Although P.O.E now continues.
Town: Moz, Enchant, Arte, BM, T-Bone
Raya, Nono, Yesiree scum?
Yessiree's quick vote out for me out of the gate maybe town? Giving a strong read early townish.
So I'd go for scum in Raya or Nono.

[mozamis]

Haven't caught up but that sounds good.
And pretty sure TBone is town. Can't see any scum motivation for him playing like he is, he has drawn a lot of attention to himself via discussion about his plan.

HEAL: BATTLE MAGE, ARTEMANIA, ENCHANT

[mozamis]

Havent caught up, but council looks ok.
Raya looked super bland and scummy
VOTE: RAYA

[mozamis]

I just...I apologize for being frustrated.

YEAH I SHOULD USE THIS FOR MY SIG...aaah caps

[mozamis]

Under that assumption, Yessiree would have been tracked to the failed kill and thus under that assumption, yessiree is conftown

so refresh my menory, who was tracked? yessiree?

[mozamis]

Yes you're correct. So then my top suspect would be Moz under the assumption scum targeted BM

@ Raya I'm town, so something is wrong with your logic somewhere.
Or you are indeed a Scummy Scum McScum Fuck. Last Known Address: TwatFace House, McScumVille - Arizona.

[mozamis]

If T-Bone and BM could agree to disagree, you're both town with different approaches to the game

[mozamis]

Raya at least looking like they are trying to help town and solve the game.
VOTE: NONONO

[mozamis]

VOTE: NONO

[mozamis]

Stand out town for me are still Moz, Tbone, BM and Enchant.
Arte is likely town but I'm a tiny bit paranoid about them as they seem nice.
Meaning I could vote Today for Nono, Raya, or Yessiree.

[mozamis]

@ Raya - all I could see from your ISO about NoNo was NoKill spec.
There are many reasons for the NoKill. I've seen games where scum have failed to put in the NightKill by mistake.
So who knows?
We can only go on who looks most town or scum, and in that regard, Nono looks most scummy.

p:edit obviously not going to read wall posts with multiple quotes in.

[mozamis]

Elimate Nono.
Simple.

[mozamis]

I don't think we need to over complicate things.
We are in a strong position.
We have a good council.
We have a good chance of winning the game if we Elim. NoNo.
If NoNo is town, then pressure is on tomorrow.
But we cross that bridge when we get there.

[mozamis]

@ Raya - I think I see your point, that scum are unlikely to bus in a2 player scum game. Which is a point I had made. But - as I also said, (and Arte?), Nono may have made that vote for Amost early on,and then not had time to get off.
Again, it's speculation.
Scum arent always that good. NoNo scum may have thought -irrationally in your eyes - that he was going to bus/distance themselves from Almost, however sub-optimal you may think that play is.

The main thing about Nono is their lack of town play.
Interactions with Almost world of WIFOM.

[mozamis]

Raya does look more and more town.
Which means I hope I'm right about Nono, otherwise I'm running out suspects.
Could we just hammer Nono before we go round in circles.

[mozamis]

@ Raya, re: T-Bone: Most scum would have faded into the background by now. He's out in the open, argumentative, confrontational, and looks like he' trying to solve the game. Very few scum are capable of playing like he does.
This is a problem town often have, scum don't do much, town post a lot, get into arguments, piss other town off, contradcit themselves, whilst scum just sit back and blend in.
The overview is really important.

[mozamis]

So Raya looking more and more town.
Scum must be in Nono, Arte or Yessire.

[mozamis]

when i hammered Almost, Mozamis even didn't acted pissed or probably noticed it.

I was pretty sure Almost was town.
Credit to the guy for pocketing me from the word go, check his ISo and he clearl ybuddies me earl yon, which I didnt notice. Shows the power of subtle buddying. On me anyway

[mozamis]

Woke up to 4 more pages of content, oh boy. Skimmed through, saw quite a bit of walls, so I need some caffeine in my system before continuing

Looking forward to it, oh scum suspect

[mozamis]

well yesiree looks more town than Nono at least.

[mozamis]

So have we lynched Nono yet? Or are we running round in cirlces, chasing our tails, and inadvertantly... quoting Coldplay.Shit lol Tho that was one of their best tunes
Joking aside, that is a danger. I feel we have clear scum in our sites, can't we elim?
#Vote Nono

[mozamis]

i'm not gonna read pages of town v town ego clashes.
Bm and Tbone are so effing town.
Could you guys agree to disagree and move on, vote Nono, and win the game?

[mozamis]

cool, can someone hammer Nono

[mozamis]

Well, thanks for that amazing contribution after it mattered Arte.
Nono or Arte scum?
Tbone is so clearly town.

[mozamis]

dont vote for BM, that was town v town.
Almost certainly gonna vote for Nono, but will skim Enchant's ISO first.
Still bit susoicious if arte too.

[mozamis]

Council: Moz, BM,?

[mozamis]

ummmmmmmmmm lol
are we going to lynch Nono and win the game or what?

[mozamis]

Raya loooks more and more town, so council:

HEAL: Mozamis, BattleMage, Raya

Although if we lynch Nono, we won't need a council:
VOTE: NONO

Try and see the wood from the trees, people!

[mozamis]

I could Heal: Moz, Bm Yessiree instead of Raya.
Anyone apart from Nono (ninety percent scum) or Arte (ten percent scum, mainly 'cos they seem pleasant lol sory if you are town Arte)

[mozamis]

I have skimmed with is enough for anyone to see that BM, Mage and Yessiree are definite town. You're very likely town as well.
It's as clear as day that Nono is scum.
Wood from the trees, look at Bm and Raya today, arguing the toss over EVERTHING lol That's town.
This game is unusually strightforward, mainly becaus everyone has done a damn good job of being town.
So let send it and vote Nono.

[mozamis]

People want it to be complicated and WIFOMY , and analysis the Nk, and role spec, it's somehting to do, and people get paranoid. I understand that.
But this game is simple.

Caveat: if I am wrong about Nono, then onviously things are difficult, because someone is playing a really good scum game.
But that's unlikely.

[mozamis]

Hang on, has there been some sort of claim, which makes everything I just said an ABSOLUTE NONSENSE lol?
AArte could you summarise, I just cant handle all that Tvs Town Raya and BM stuff, it's just a waste of time, like T-Bone and BM was yesterday.

[mozamis]

Having proper catch up.
Sorry for being lazy, been really stressed.
Brief skim seems to indicate i have been wrong about Nono Apologies to them if so

[mozamis]

I'm softening slightly on Raya on the basis

so do you think she is scum? That whole post seemed like you were throwing shade at her, but you end up saying "softening on Raya"?
What does that mean?
Not saying you are scum, but this is me dialling back my town read on you.

Raya town?
She's really thinking about the game, seems balanced, but forthright reads, calling out BM for scum.

I like Yessiree's argument - which looks like town thinking about the game btw - that scum were likely on the council.
Which does fit with my second suspect, Artemiana being scum.
Although it isn't conclusive, scum may have just gambled on Enhant not being protected.
Still, it makes Yessiree even more town for bringing it up.

So half way through catch up.
Still no "we tracked Nono" post, so what am I missing?
Is it one of those haf assed "Moz, we are clearly trying to say we tracked Nono" without saying so?
Beacuse that's unhelpful to town, we are in a enough of a fog without dumb ass soft claims.
Anyway, whatever happens Yessiree and Rya look kreally town, so

HEAL: MOZAMIS, YESIREE, RAYA[/code]

Leaving scum in Arte, BM and (Nono? depending on track?)
Has to be arte i guess if nono is cleared?
VOTE: UNVOTE
in case a proper clear of NONO has been made.

[mozamis]

HEAL: MOZAMIS, RAYA, YESSIREE

[mozamis]

Nono is track cleared let's move on

well that was the first time you said that....
whatever, ok, i was wrong about that, sorry Nono. Like everyone else was wrogn about T-Bone

It's got to be Arte?

[mozamis]

actually, fuck it, I only town read Yessiree for his point about scum being on the council to kill enchant. Which seemed a good point, but he could just be scum...thinking , WIFOMING UP THE THREAD ETC soz caps cant be arsed to delete
HEAL: UNHEAL ALL

[mozamis]

So scum has to be in Arte or Yes?

[mozamis]

HEAL: MOZAMIS, BATTLEMAGE, RAYA

[mozamis]

And arte had been too helpful all the way through to be scum the way she volunteered the Nono Clear was pro town.
So main suspect Yessiree?

[mozamis]

catching up sorry for being shit, been really stressed with RL stuff.