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i have a N0 guilty on bingle

VOTE: bingle

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Anyone who participates in limming Bingle before he posts gets free towncred tomorrow

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We’ve all failed, bingle made it to thread

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The eagle eyed among us may have noticed that he also didn’t deny being scum

CONVENIENT

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We are at E-1 on Bingle

Excellent

VOTE: bingle

That’s hammer

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THOSE BIRDS HAD IT COMING

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VOTE: professor drapion

This might actually be scum lol

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Oh if it’s hectic it’s not so bad

I thought prof was a newbie (prof do you have any pronoun preference?)

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Are you a newbie prof?

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VOTE: PROF DRAPIEN

I AM ONLY SHAMELESSLY SHEEPING MENA BECAUSE HE IS A HANDSOME STUD AND I WANT TO BE CARRIED IN HIS ARMS THIS GAME

This was somewhat concerning

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This was somewhat concerning

YOU OWE ME AT LEAST ONE GOOD TOWN VICTORY MENA

THEN WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO POCKET ME

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He is, explicitly. He signed up in the newbie queue as a newbie.

Are you a newbie prof?

If I was a newbie I wouldn’t have been rejected in the Newbie queue for trying to sneak my way in there.

Hmmmmmm

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*announcer voice*

And yes, that’s dannflor entering the thread folks, ooh, it’s not off to a good start! How many yikes out of 5 is that judges?

4/5 yikes! Hoo boy, that’s a lot of yikes for dannflor’s entrance!

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And yes, that’s dannflor entering the thread folks, ooh, it’s not off to a good start! How many yikes out of 5 is that judges?

4/5 yikes! Hoo boy, that’s a lot of yikes for dannflor’s entrance!

So your telling me you think this:

VOTE: gypx

guys gypyx and bingle are scum together

Is more yikes then this:

WTF VOTE: pooky

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I am concerned that he's tailoring his play to appeal to me

Interesting take, why do you say that?

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but they're also exactly the things I would expect Mena to do to try to pocket me. Particularly: Early SR on me and going after Dann right out of the gate are things I think Mena is aware I'm likely to TR.

Oh

Hmm

Does it help if I say I wasn’t actually SRing you until I saw your readslist, which has given me doubts

also confused why u think I would think that going after Dann would get you to TR me

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^Bingle and Menalque are the two players here most familiar with this tactic of mine. (Not giving read lists so as to protect my "suspected PRs" and Strongest TRs)

Ahh yes, the patented “make mena want to shoot himself in the face” method

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This is such a fuckin scummy PL so far lol

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Drapion - townlean
Pooky
VFP

A50 - nulltown
T3

Gypyx - null
ManWithNoName
Pine

Bingle - nullscum

(Lukewarm/grandpamo) - scum?
Dannflor

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Pretty much all of my town here are pretty weak and while pooky hasn’t been scummy overall I am worried that he might just be pocketing me

If so, it’s working for now tho...

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I second the thing on pls no wallposts but I’ll try to properly focus there tomorrow

I feel like one of lukewarm/grandpa can be scum but not both and additionally if grandpa!scum bingle probably isn’t

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im townbinning a50 and you so far

Ur townbinning bingle? Why?

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Town:

Dannflor
T3
PookyTheMagicalBear
Almost50

Needs more content before being arbitrarily shuffled into a pile:

GrandpaMo
ManWithNoName
Pine

Scum:

Lukewarm
VFP
Menalque
ProfessorDrapion
Gypyx

Yes. All nine of those are genuine reads with genuine reasoning. I'm not going to bother explaining most of them at the moment, and they're loosely ordered based on how accurate my gut says they might be.

Bingle was probably like my joint strongest TR until this post and now I feel dubious

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Bingle might also be town and just have terrible reads I guess

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Actually maybe the thing bothering me most about that post is the explanatory paragraph at the end?

Like I’m looking at the post trying to figure out what bothers me about it and while I think the reads themselves are bad I think what’s really getting to me is the need to emphasise the “genuine” reads with “genuine” reasoning

Also the preemptive note about not explaining them and talking about how they’re loosely ordered and based on gut accuracy

It’s like this is all stuff that is clear from the context and exists in subtext without needing to be stated explicitly

So making a note of all of that is like trying too hard and over-justifying yourself in a way that I’m not sure town feels the need to

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I mean bingle is generally a pretty capable scumplayer and so while I agree that he was good vibes early game I think he’s basically beyond vibes and/or tonal based sorting

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And I feel like the way he’s approaching the game is also potentially in line with what he’d do if he’s planning to try to powerscum, including setting up to conflict with me rather than work with me

Which might be paranoid, but I think bingle has a reasonable amount of respect for my towngame and it would probably be a relatively strong priority for scum!him to try to avoid me getting too established in the game

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I think in his readslist the two single things that bother me the most are TRing dann who really isn’t town this game yet

And also having both me *and* drapion in his SRs but not as an either/or

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Whichever of you two catch a baddie first I Will sheeps foreverz <3

What if he’s the baddie and I’ve caught him?

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Pooky ur being kinda weird honestly bro

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I don’t remember you being this sheepy as town before?

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Okay that’s a townpost lmao

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Also, mine

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Idk pooky I feel like if u got that sweet sweet green PM then I should prob just fade away and lurk out the rest of the game

Traditions are traditions etc

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I would never

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Besides, lendunistus is a good mod and I’m not on an alt

Also my personal life is not an absolute fucking disaster right now and I’m like damaged but not so much heart broken anymore

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The more I think about it the more concerning bingle TRing dann is

Like look at dann’s ISO

Which post or combination of those posts says that the slot is town to you? None

Which is like EXTRA extra concerning when you consider that dann normally radiates town when town

And that in past games this has been something I think I’ve pretty consistently picked up on easily and early

And it’s just not here at all, so the fact that bingle is pushing that his first 9 posts make him the towniest player in the game is a frankly insane assertion

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yea so if you've got that sweeet sweet green role pm I guess you are doomed to fall in love with someone who will break your heart soon.

Sorry buddy <3

hah, jokes on you I’d already met her/been involved with her/things had gone to shit by the point that game happened

more like if I have that sweet sweet green role PM I need to go get super drunk for 2 weeks running and end up catching covid

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VOTE: dann

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And he was scum there?

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Grandpa and the Pringle definitely seem town.

These are like mild salsa takes in terms of spice

Y

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Do u have a read on me yet professor

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T3

Y

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Which is like EXTRA extra concerning when you consider that dann normally radiates town when scum

FTFY

Also, Dann was on my TM team and we bounced reads back and forth consistently for the last like 3 months. This looks exactly like what Dann thought about Ari's game.

I feel like this is not true by dann’s own admission?

Okay so what in those 9 posts is reminding you so strongly of town!dann’s thought processes?

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Highlight the specific posts for me and why bingleboi

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Eh

Sure

VOTE: lukewarm

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Gypyx
VFP
Grandpa (I get the feeling he is just misguided town)
(maybe) Bingle

Are these ordered btw?

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For fuck’s sake

VOTE: NM

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Are you considering actually playing the game this time?

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This is honestly more of a prodge than it should be but I’ve just been really busy with flat hunting + new job

Haven’t read for a few days, but I know you want answers from me Dann and I should have time to sit down and play in the next day or two

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lol

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Great job everyone

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Outstanding

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Pooky is probably scum if Drap dies and then there’s good odds I die tonight despite having done fuck all so far


So pls bear that in mind if I do die

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If drap’s town

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Oh also I’m not confident in this by any means but I think T3 may well be town

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Like don’t take that as gospel but also don’t speedrun the elim tomo if I’m not here and don’t have a chance to check that

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am not scum

not kill

thanks

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what's the case

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Like don’t take that as gospel but also don’t speedrun the elim tomo if I’m not here and don’t have a chance to check that

this is almost a challenge no?

VOTE: Menalque

mena is gonna be big mad if he's town

but the memes will be worth it if he's scum

I probably die today and am aware that this is going to be forgotten but these posts should be really looked at again once I flip town

I don't wanna suggest daisy-chaining lims after me because I'm too disconnected from the game and basically have no idea where scum is but yea, this isn't great

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nah I think that's a thought town!you has but I think town!you is aware that I have IRL shit going on and that speed-yeeting me before I get to post is just bad

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like I'll be frank, I'm dubious on whether I'm gonna have time to play D2 in a meaningful fashion

if y'all wanna yeet me for that, so be it. remember who pushed the mena!scum narrative particularly hard, probably flip them next, if the main pusher is town then scum are prob in the slots who were padding that person along. you have the yeets, it's okay

alternatively, let me live today and things should have calmed down enough by next week IRL that I can sink my teeth into the game and hopefully either obvtown or solve or both

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Pooky is probably scum if Drap dies and then there’s good odds I die tonight despite having done fuck all so far


So pls bear that in mind if I do die

like explain how thats a thought in your head

why would scum even bother shooting you when you're not even playing the game?

I mean I think considering that I just beat scum you in two games back-to-back, it's not unreasonable to think that even with my diminished presence I would be a high priority NK for you ?

or just in general for anyone who knows me, like at all?

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lol

Great job everyone

Outstanding

Pooky is probably scum if Drap dies and then there’s good odds I die tonight despite having done fuck all so far


So pls bear that in mind if I do die

If drap’s town

@pooky why does scum!me make this series of posts if I'm scum and I know that Drap is gonna flip scum?

the only argument is basically WIFOM, which while occasionally a marker of my scumgame is something I generally don't prefer to "just shutting the fuck up"

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you say that pooky, but prior to the flip when it was still unknown if Drap was scum/town, I don't think it was that weird, see here:

Pooky is probably scum if Drap dies and then there’s good odds I die tonight despite having done fuck all so far

You're an incredibly likely protection in this list, I doubt scum tries to kill you.

it's only given that drap scum!flipped that I became lim!baity

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to try to pretend you don't know he's gonna flip scum cuz u look kinda scummy ghosting while he goes down so you wanted to do some playacting

this just feels very suboptimal?

like if I'm aware he's going down then I probably bus him or try to save him

what I don't do is waver on the "ehh I guess we can lim him but idk if he's flipping scum" line because that basically always gets SR

like go and read Secrets of the Anuket Topaz and there's another game I can find probably from around the same time where I was miselimmed for having been pushing the wrong wagon D1, but my interactions with the flipped scum were just so deeply obviously bad-looking on surface level that it was p clear that I wasn't scum with them

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pretty sure you're scummy even if drap flips town lol

y

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idk it feels like you know I'm misflippable today and you wanna get that in while you can rather than you having like a meaningful scumread on me

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my argument is not that I don't look bad; it's that if I were scum I wouldn't look this bad or I wouldn't bad in such an obvious way of having fence-sit on my buddy but not actually tried to save him

because you can check like my entire scumgame repertoire and I think I've done that once, ever. if you think this is the second game where I'm doing it... okay, like I can't really argue with that lol

but basically every other game I will either commit to saving the buddy and count on looking toooo obviously aligned the next day to save me, or I'll hardbus them for the cred if I think the slot can't be redeemed

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to try to pretend you don't know he's gonna flip scum cuz u look kinda scummy ghosting while he goes down so you wanted to do some playacting

this just feels very suboptimal?

like if I'm aware he's going down then I probably bus him or try to save him

what I don't do is waver on the "ehh I guess we can lim him but idk if he's flipping scum" line because that basically always gets SR

like go and read Secrets of the Anuket Topaz and there's another game I can find probably from around the same time where I was miselimmed for having been pushing the wrong wagon D1, but my interactions with the flipped scum were just so deeply obviously bad-looking on surface level that it was p clear that I wasn't scum with them

ok but this is post he has already been hammered

so you don't have a choice of saving him or bussing him.

so you pretending to be mad that we hammered him is just a way for you to play up "being unaware" of his alignment - which feels fake and performative to me.

right but my point is that I didn't need a prod at that point, and I was behind but trying to keep up with the game

at the very least I could have plopped down a vote on him earlier for the bus

and again, I just... I don't think you have a great understanding of my scumgame, because I kinda broadly align with "just sftu if in doubt" as a philosophy. so I just think it's very unlikely that I play for some dubious WIFOM gambit rather than just not commenting at all and then trying to come back at it today

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pooky u literally know that I'm getting kicked out of my apartment and have been flat hunting for the last 10 days or so

u may not know that I found a place and am moving my stuff across in the evenings this week, but you definitely are aware that (1) I have IRL stuff and (2) that I don't lie about IRL stuff

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like you can't self-meta as "I would've helped out/bussed my buddy so therefore I'm not scum" while excusing inactivity as "I have RL issues that prevent me from playing"

this is kind of fair but obviously I've had enough time to not rep-out

I would have taken a harder stance on Drap in one direction or the other if I were scum, which is what I always do as scum, even if it wouldn't have looked as good as if I'd had more time

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oh, I thought I'd mentioned it in the TFT discord but maybe it was just to ydra

thanks!

I was annoyed that drap got limmed right around the weekend when I finally had (a bit of) free time and was planning to try and play, that's it

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Prod received, but I’m afraid I’m basically just prodging again

As mentioned, I’ll have more time after tomorrow once my move is complete

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@bingle who should I be voting for

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@bingle who should I be voting for

I'm incredibly disengaged from the game.

goddamn bingle what happened to my free carry?

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bingle how do you normally play around buddies, I can't remember

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I think gypyx is town

I did think bingle was town but as I'm reading back through I'm not sure if he's town or if he's just been trying to pocket me this game

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actually maybe bingle is just town too

like he's town or he's doing exactly what he thinks scum!me would do to him only back to me, if that makes sense

like the early-ish SR and quite a lot of jokey friendly interaction at the start of the game

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I also think lukewarm is prob town

Granpa can be scum maybe

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my inclination on remaining scum is (VFP, grandpa) aorn

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still think there are outside chances of pookybear tbh but not enough that I want to pursue that today

aside from that N_M is probably town despite him wanting me, and bizarrely I actually feel okay with A50 this game

the question of whether me feeling okay with A50 should actually make me more paranoid of him is something I probably need to consult our meta together on tbh

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thanks! not really, I haven't caught up to the rep in yet

I'm also feeling like slightly hesitant to weigh in there without feeling confident bc I think if I'm wrong there's gonna be a mob coming for my head too

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at the risk of dooming myself: I think maybe town? I haven't played w/ Johnny much but I think he was scum once and town once and from glancing at the iso this looks at least superficially more like his towngame

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wait, I take that back, I think I've only played with him as scum

I was mixing him up with jacksonvirgo

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Mena

I didn't like this tho

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goddamnit

it highlighted weird because I was using ctrl + f

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I hope Mena isn't one of my last 2 votes. That'll just nail their coffin tomorrow if they're town

didn't like this^

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like, if he *is* town then he's probably right

but that's also just like a super manipulative phrasing and way of looking at things. which, again, not inherently scummy (god knows I can be manipulative as town) but it did give me a squick feeling

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why are you confident he's scum?

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like I will also grant you that N_M is decently accurate when he's trying but I know he's wrong on at least one of the reads he's pushing here and if that's the only reason you particularly want Johnny then I'm not sure that's enough to sway me over from VFP/granpa

talking of, what's your take on those two slots?

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can you give me the cliff notes so I don't have to look for it

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I think atp it's like

Luke
bingle
gypyx

pooky
A50
N_M

T3
johnny

grandpa
VFP

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dann TRing T3 and getting shot seems like a weak reason for T3!town

albeit not necessarily wrong but the dann kill is something I don't have a good explanation for. like honestly the simplest explanation would be that I'm scum, but I'm not, so idk if it's WIFOM, if it's because of who he TR or bc of who he SR, or just because someone thought he had PR vibes. I think it was maybe just a bad kill?

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grandpa just feels off

VOTE: VFP

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I think I'd like to speak with grandpa in real time ideally

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actually N_M should probably be more town than I assigned him I think it's an ego thing where I'm paranoid about getting snowed that made me not put him higher

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oh, also, u should probably claim @Johnny because I'm going back and forth on just hammering you

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ou might be wrong on Bingle, I think you are wrong on vfp.

y on both

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have you actually read what grandpa's been typing?

kind of? some of it has been turning my brain to mush especially when it's longer but I pretty much got through a couple of the longer posts while I was catching up

it just feels very ~written to be read~ if u get what I mean

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ou might be wrong on Bingle, I think you are wrong on vfp.

y on both

I think vfp is the towniest on my wagon for actually being worried about my flip. He asked for a claim. He almost backed down. He's waffly in a way I think scum would avoid.

Bingle is coasting.

VFP looks really bad on D1 tho and I think that they have good equity with Drap. like especially as drap is coming under pressure in the first like 10-12 pages or so

Bingle coasting doesn't worry me that much because (1) I've been not doing much either this game and (2) he can be allowed to coast for a day even if he's scum after hard bussing his buddy

like without knowing if we're in the world where scum did hardbus or not, I think the safer assumption is they *probably* didn't (which is not to say they didn't bus at all but more just that they probably didn't lead the wagon on their buddy) and it's okay to let the slots heavily involved in that get by for a day or two before reconsidering if you don't hit more scum within that timeframe

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have you actually read what grandpa's been typing?

kind of? some of it has been turning my brain to mush especially when it's longer but I pretty much got through a couple of the longer posts while I was catching up

it just feels very ~written to be read~ if u get what I mean

more like written to be unreadable to me

and you see this as.. town?

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I think that's highly scum indicative lol

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VOTE: Bingle

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let's just kill people

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The hammer + the accurate NK + the retreat into mechtalk today all makes bingle a scumboi I think

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Man I’m so confused by what scum are doing this game lol

I really can’t get into their heads

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Hmmmm maybe it’s VCA time

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I think a no elim works for now. There's no obvious nightkill and it would narrow down my paranoaia pool. VOTE: no one

this is boring af ngl but id rather get this shit over with and get on to the good stuff

VOTE: nooone

One of these is lock scum

Probably pooky actually

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I will be voting pooky every phase for the rest of the game I’m alive in until one of us is dead for that hammer

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If I die tonight, that should be taken as clearly indicative for him

If he’s not scum, I think it’s exactly (bingle, T3)

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But like who fucking knows, this day was basically throwing by town so

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I’m assuming that’s correct and that day is over — if it’s not;

VOTE: pooky

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As a mod I would not accept a vote for “no one” as a vote for a no elimination.

VOTE: Pooky

why not t3?

Because T3 is a noob and pooky should know better

Vote him

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I did thanks btw, then I got ill which left me a bit knocked out for the week

However, now I am here and able to focus my attention on yeeting you

Not yeeting today is dumb and +scum

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mod, what are the rules for drawing? If we do three consecutive day/night cycles of no kills would it be a draw?

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We yeet today

Scum kills

No yeet tomorrow

See if scum want to take a draw (they probably shouldn’t but I’d be fine with it)

Then we lim in 5p lylo

I like this a lot more than no yeet today, 7p lim, 5p lylo

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Yeah but if we hit today there’s more town still alive so scum total control within town is lower

And I think scum have probably had decent control this game based on flips

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Besides which, trying to hammer no elim and cut off discussion this earlier is just scummy af pooky

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Like there’s been virtually nothing that’s happened yet and no discussion

If we no elim then a towny is not gonna have a chance to weigh in

And I’m all about not letting days drag on but there’s a massive difference between that and trying to hammer no elim less than 24hrs after day start, that’s basically just denying town a free phase

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Tl;dr you need to die

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Yoink

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In fact basically everyone would be good to be able to kill but sadly no

Right now I think I want to yeet from the no elim people more than the rest

Would love to have time to policy a50 but I don’t so we’ll have to roll the die there

Gypyx is like, okay

Grandpa mo is probably okay given flips?

I’m loathe to say it but I think NM is also okay

So today I wanna yeet in (bingle, pooks, T3) but I’m torn a bit on who

I think that T3 likely has the strongest individual chance of being scum and maybe that should just be the play

But I he’s town then tomorrow is going to be significantly more difficult if it’s (bingle, pooks)

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Yo grandpa who u think is scum

60 words or less pls

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T3 why are you lurking

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Speaketh or be yeetedeth

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Tl;dr you need to die

lol if you come at me the only person getting yeeted today is you

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Tl;dr you need to die

lol if you come at me the only person getting yeeted today is you

Fixed

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Y r u town

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ngl if i was scum id just hammer this

U tried to do this within the last 12 hours the only thing that’s changed is that now you’d look infinitely worse if you did and I died

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Y r u town

cuz my role pm says im town

why do you think im scum?

It is as though you are not reading my posts

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Also like, Johnny flipping town doesn’t look good for you in a way that’s different to N_M

I may just have my model of N_M wrong but I think of him less as the sort of scum who actively pushes miselims

And I don’t see town!you being that sheepy normally

So you sheeping onto that is +scum esp when I don’t think Johnny was as obvscum looking as you were suggesting

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It is as though you are not reading my posts

are you going to make a case for why im scum or just waste my time with inane nonsense

I literally talked about some of the reasons why your attempt to no elim make you +scum and you’re acting like that post doesn’t exist

Plus the entire way you’re engaging with me screams scum

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Does anybody seriously think pooky has any interest in solving the game? I have more interest in solving the game in my little toe at this point than pooky does in his entire ISO, and that’s with having been absent for most of it

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im sorry im allergic to reading nonsense

when something is ridiculous my eyes just glaze over

For anyone unfamiliar pooky doesn’t really know how to handle it when pushed as scum so he just gets like mildly aggro and sarcastic which is exactly what he’s doing here

It often gets TR(incl by me in several of our games early on) because he doesn’t quit or break under the pressure but it’s a p clear trend if you know him well, which I do

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I KILLED A SCUMBAG ALREADY HOW MANY HAVE YOU KILLED?!??!

You weren’t a key pusher there fam and at this point your cred is burned

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So sad we don’t have enough lims left for me to offer myself up as a free lim if wrong here

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I would kill for a suicide bomb

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Desperado would be better but w/e

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Yes sniping at me bc I started pushing you is clearly will to solve

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Good job pooks, really looking town there /s

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Do you realise you basically have a trust telll with me pooky

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You only get shitty and annoyed like this with me when you’re scum

You’ve never done it as town even when I was being an asshole in that mini normal I got force repped from

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this is going nowhere.

VOTE: No Elim

see you tomm

lol this is a scumclaim

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If I don’t enter tomorrow voting pooky I’m scumclaiming

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Dare you to leave me alive pooky

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1v1 me instead of shooting me, coward

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maybe switch T3 for Mena given that i think T3 is over his scumrange rn

Weird take gyp, what’s T3 done to be out of his range?

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If I don’t enter tomorrow voting pooky I’m scumclaiming

1v1 me instead of shooting me, coward

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Night folx

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This game has been very sad

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I’m feeling really unwell since last night

mod, VLA for a few days please

VOTE: pooky

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*sigh*

VOTE: mena

Release me from this mortal coil

Best guess? T3 + NM but honestly I’m not super sure

My exceedingly lazy logic is:

Pooky clear

Grandpamo I’m just effort clearing basically

Gypyx something something D1 stuff seemed like he wasn’t scum so let’s just stick with that but the way he’s dropped off the face of the earth is ~worrying~

Bingle could easily be scum and is where I think I’m most likely wrong

T3 seems like obvscum at this point and if he and I are both town I think we’re doomed anyway

NM I’m thinking is scum for the way that he’s been targeting people who want T3 like with his vote on grandpa today, reminds me of what he did in PyP when I was calling him scum and trying to get him limmed and his response was to just naked vote the skitt/me hydra day after day

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Meh actually

VOTE: bingle

Is probably the right thing to do

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My logic is that bingle + NM is also very viable here and if by some miracle T3 is town and I don’t get misyeeted today this might be the route to a win

Alternatively if T3!scum I reckon I have better odds of beating him in 3p lylo than I do NM or bingle, whichever is his partner

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and finds t3 and bingle as scum and probably NM as an associate read

My solve is actually slightly more NM + T3 than T3 + bingle, but i find bingle’s insistence that NM must be town here and to suggest otherwise is scumclaiming bizarreovich and I’d rather bet the game on NM + Bingle atp

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Like here’s my perspective on T3, mo:

T3 v likely scum, if I vote T3 and he flips scum, cool — I prob get flipped tomorrow and bingleboi/NM faceoff in 3p

But if T3 town, and this is reasonably plausible given that he seems to be incredibly mislim baity from a quick meta glance, then voting T3 here is a guaranteed loss bc there’s basically no way for me to not be limmed tomorrow

So I’d rather roll the dice on one of the other two I think is likely to be scum — if I’m right, that maybe let’s us win tomo. Or if I’m wrong tomo, at least I have a chance of not insta losing the 3p lylo

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I also have like, intense personal dislike of being the slot who’s been setup to lose in mylo so I’d rather be limmed before that tbh so that tomo the game can be cleared of any wolves with me in them and people can try to figure out wtf scum have been doing all game (this is another factor as to why I think it’s NM — he’s not a big planner, I’ve been scum with him and against him before, and he’s an improviser/opportunist)

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and finds t3 and bingle as scum and probably NM as an associate read

My solve is actually slightly more NM + T3 than T3 + bingle, but i find bingle’s insistence that NM must be town here and to suggest otherwise is scumclaiming bizarreovich and I’d rather bet the game on NM + Bingle atp

confirmed town pooky townread nm as well no?

Yea but pooky also SRs me and SR Johnny yesterday so you’ll pardon me for not putting great stock in his reads here

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If you’re scum kudos because you clearly care more than anyone else about winning this game, I had u p much cleared apart from that CC but honestly that’s just WIFOM anyway and was prob unnecessary for scum!you

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if he was considered lim bait then why did the vote pivot on day 3?????

Put simply — to conserve the slot for an easy lylo win, I can find an example where I did this as scum in the past if you like, give me 2 mins

Basically, if you can swing the mislim from one town to another then it dooms the first one even more if they’re still around in lylo. This worked so effectlvely in the game I’m gonna link that that player (who was mechcleared) still got voted over me in 3p lylo

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Of course, T3 can also just be scum, the problem is lack of lims left

If you wanna go T3 today + me tomo if he does flip scum that’s fine

The only thing I want is that if it’s T3!town today that we roll one of bingle/NM tomo instead

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Look at D2 of this game, mo:

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=82048

Emps/micc slot looks doomed going in

Then I switch to pushing pine instead while my buddy(bji) largely stays on him, before switching at the EoD

Then for other reasons there always seemed to be a slightly better flip than micc each following day and I took him all the way to lylo for the win. Still one of my prouder moments tbh

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Of course, T3 can also just be scum, the problem is lack of lims left

If you wanna go T3 today + me tomo if he does flip scum that’s fine

The only thing I want is that if it’s T3!town today that we roll one of bingle/NM tomo instead

r we in cylo/ mylo /lylo/ xulo whatever that shit is called

like how many elims we got

No, we will be tomo

There’s one miselim left, after that every lim must be on scum to win the gsme

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If you’re scum kudos because you clearly care more than anyone else about winning this game, I had u p much cleared apart from that CC but honestly that’s just WIFOM anyway and was prob unnecessary for scum!you

i do that shit all the time; its nai, scumread it for me idc.

i retracted nd explained why i did it.

i will continue to cc prs now, its fun and stimulates the game.

you see how t3 finally contributed when i cced?

lmfao honestly atp, if i was scum, i would just let town win here because its sad and depressing here

and yes ur first point is valid and that's why im questioning bingle's flawed ass logic that is frustrating me and more more that either a. i dont understand it or b. bingle's logic is actually just bs

I’m still quite ill and I don’t have the mental energy to try to go through however many levels of WIFOM I’d need to to decide if it’s more likely from scum!you or town!you so I’m just townbinning you because with the numbers whittled down this much you seem like you genuinely want to solve the game?

But also, and don’t take this the wrong way, but also that you kinda express yourself weirdly/wordily enough that it’s hard for you to really build momentum on people which makes you probably not so threatening that you should be dead by now if you were town

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Yea that’s fine, I’m like briefly awake (it’s 7:20 am here) but trying to get back to sleep so I may drop off in the interim, we’ll see

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Also, by JV do you mean jacksonvirgo lmao?

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Open 810 Official Vote Count - Day 1 Hammer

ProfessorDrapion

(7): Gypyx,

VFP

,

Lukewarm

, T3, Not_Mafia, Bingle,

PookyTheMagicalBear

Lukewarm

(2): ProfessorDrapion,

Dannflor

T3

(1):

GrandpaMo

Bingle

(1):

Pine

Not_Mafia

(1):

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Not Voting

(1):

Almost50

With 13 alive, it took 7 to crush someone with an alien spaceship.

Deadline

: Was 11th of May, Tuesday, 8am EDT, 2021

I’m thinking that drapion was doubled bussed

One interesting thing to look at on D1 actually is how consistently gypyx is voting there

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Look at D2 of this game, mo:

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=82048

Emps/micc slot looks doomed going in

Then I switch to pushing pine instead while my buddy(bji) largely stays on him, before switching at the EoD

Then for other reasons there always seemed to be a slightly better flip than micc each following day and I took him all the way to lylo for the win. Still one of my prouder moments tbh

Post #4123 -- just read that.

wtf mena, where is that energy this game??

I just finished the most exhausting game I think I’ve ever had on site (perpetual mylo) where I was scum against pretty easily the toughest town I’ve ever faced and it left me with very little for any other games

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Also, by JV do you mean jacksonvirgo lmao?

yea lmao

If you’re scum kudos because you clearly care more than anyone else about winning this game, I had u p much cleared apart from that CC but honestly that’s just WIFOM anyway and was prob unnecessary for scum!you

i do that shit all the time; its nai, scumread it for me idc.

i retracted nd explained why i did it.

i will continue to cc prs now, its fun and stimulates the game.

you see how t3 finally contributed when i cced?

lmfao honestly atp, if i was scum, i would just let town win here because its sad and depressing here

and yes ur first point is valid and that's why im questioning bingle's flawed ass logic that is frustrating me and more more that either a. i dont understand it or b. bingle's logic is actually just bs

I’m still quite ill and I don’t have the mental energy to try to go through however many levels of WIFOM I’d need to to decide if it’s more likely from scum!you or town!you so I’m just townbinning you because with the numbers whittled down this much you seem like you genuinely want to solve the game?

But also, and don’t take this the wrong way, but also that you kinda express yourself weirdly/wordily enough that it’s hard for you to really build momentum on people which makes you probably not so threatening that you should be dead by now if you were town

honestly i think thats why im kept alive x.x

and yea take as much time as u need cuz honestly, i think as a top poster, ive done a lot.

nd gave my perspective/ input as town. it is up to the rest of the town to figure out if im bsing or not bsing / geninune.

scumread me but scumread me with good logic / reasoning as i always say

That’s funny, JV is not someone I particularly think of as someone with a scumgame but I guess they’ve been around a while now

If you’re scum you’ve played really well and I don’t mind losing to you but I think it makes a lot more sense if you’re just town. Like you feel solvey to me + I’m not someone it’s that worth pocketing rn + the way scum have NK’d and pushed people seems to have been with the idea of keeping as many people on that scumwagon alive as possible which also makes me think both scum were on — if it was only one scum bussing then it would have to be you and I just... don’t think it is? So I think it makes the most sense to approach this game as one where scum decided on D1 they were both gonna hardbus for the cred and then ride that into lategame

Whcih actually should maybe make gypyx a lot more worrying, the more I think about it, and with how little he’s done since

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Honestly I’m still disappointed pooky is town

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wait i just realized sum, u can answer this at ur time ; but how is my cc wifom? when i state out the options already?

im gts now, goodnight why does this feel like a discord talk now

Actually the more I think about it the less WIFOMy it is from you specifically

It would be incredibly WIFOM from a slot like me who has very little endgame equity if scum here, because then it’s like “oh maybe I get pooky limmed but if I feel the tide turning against me I can always back off the claim and say it was reaction hunting”

But actually in terms of you doing it as scum there’s probably no reason for you to? So that’s where the multiple levels of WIFOM thing comes in — there’s no point to you doing it as scum, so therefore it’s actually not a bad idea for you to do it as scum. Hence WIFOM and me not wanting to go through all the layers of “does he know that I know that he knows that I know”

Also peace, I’m gonna try to get back to sleep then

I think I can almost take another paracetamol which is hype

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Actually

VOTE: gypyx

Let me be damned if I’m wrong but take a look at the ISO and tell me that’s not scum coasting off a D1 bus just doing maintenance level shit while town tries to eat itself

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Okay, interesting that gypyx also never unvotes VFP as wagons go up on D2 to either support T3 or vote Johnny

I’m... kind of talking myself into (gypyx, T3) here? Is this madness?

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T3 has either got to be scum or is the hardest set up boi this year

Like A50 comes in, wagons him, gets him to L-2 with a full-town wagon

Then 3 people who were on the wagon die over the next two nights

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Is this actually just a game where the scumplan was “let’s hope that these people who know each other get increasingly paranoid of one another as game goes on” which would explain why it’s been so hard trying to figure out exactly what scum want to accomplish this game

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Meh

VOTE: T3

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This also like, makes a lot more sense with the dannflor kill on N1

It wasn’t a kill to remove a defender of T3 (because honestly, that’s probably unnecessary for scum to push town!T3) but it *does* make sense if gypyx is scum and Dann is one of the few people calling that — in fact maybe the only person seriously calling that at that point?

Plus it does have the nice added bonus of looking Not Great(tm) for me

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Yo bingle are you town here homie

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And if so can you do me a solid

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Okay, let’s say you are then

Do you think there’s anything in VFP iso that screams lover babysitter? Cause I was looking and I don’t see it

I’m about to check lukewarm too, but seeing as VFP had to have been the kill it seems more likely that if it was purely for PR reasons the slip would be from their ISO, right?

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Also, I probably would have shot you.

...on which night?

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There’s 385 but other than that I don’t think they said anything that damning

The reason it’s important is because among the last things they said were that they wanted a T3 flip the next day regardless of Johnny flip (which tbf lukewarm was also after if anyone was paying attention to read alignment)

But lukewarm looked much more like TPR imo (the whole CC psychologist thing) s it would be more natural to kill there if you’re just trying to PR hunt i *think*

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Last night.

Scum me would have had the options of you/pooky. Pooky was hardtownreading me, A50 was easily mislimmable as a "No one in this lobby can read A50 half as well as I can" and you default to a scumread on me AND can win that 1v1.

You die 10/10 games where I'm scum here and I just win.

This is so unnecessarily paranoia inducing given how out of the game I’ve been and how little threat i think I would pose scum!you but I’m going to try to ignore it at least until I have a reason to think (gypyx, t3) isn’t the solve

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Why for the love of Christ did you hammer Johnny there bingle

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Bc I see more than one team/world where you do that as scum

But i don’t get why you do it as town esp right after asking for more time

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Also do you agree that scum double bussed on D1?

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STOP SAYING THINGS THAT ARE SIMULTANEOUSLY REASONABLE/PLAUSIBLE BUT ON ANOTHER LEVEL UNSATISFYING

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like are you intentionally trying to make urself harder to sort? And if so why? I wasn’t aware that this was a bonus content addition of “your favourite nightmare” where the nightmare is me having to work out if you’re town or scum and bet the game on it

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Interesting, why is Gpa not a hard TR for you?

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I understand seeing me as a potential buddy to drap but not Grandpa atp

Like given the players who’re left I think grandpa basically just has to be clear or to have, frankly, played a wonderful scumgame that I feel quite alright losing to

I think I’m more ambiguous bc (1) drap went to lengths to make me sound like I could be his buddy and (2) I’m still plausibly within my scumrange I guess

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He reminds me of me as newbscum from 500 years ago or whenever I joined the site.

How so?

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And also like... who would be his partner? The only options are (T3, NM, gypyx) and none of those seem particularly likely

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Maybe gypyx? I guess? But double bus just seems far more plausible with where kills have ended up

I guess if scumteam don’t know about VCA/didn’t think anyone here would do it at all maybe they’d let themselves get put into a 1/2

And like things have made me feel uneasy about mo throughout the game but I think it was mostly paranoia tbh

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Ugh I’m really gonna have to go back and read the second half of D1 aren’t I

My impression has been, from the way things worked out, that scum were p okay with drap going down. It doesn’t seem worth it to hard defend him really if you’re scum vs to just bus and get cred and then sus anyone off wagon for a good couple of days?

I don’t find the “ur tr on me is for bad reasons” being met by “well u pointed that out which is towny” to be particularly egregious— in fact, I have clear memories of doing this (foolishly) with skitter in some of our first games together. Of course, she was right (the tr was for bad reasons) and it was pure chance that she was scum that first game (as I learned to my chagrin when she hard pocketed me in another game by calling out my tr on her as being for bad reasons when she was scum) but the broader point I’m trying to get across is that when you’re a newbie to the site I think this is a very common cognitive slip to make

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The only options are (T3, NM, gypyx) and none of those seem particularly likely

I agree that it's probably not T3/Mo. I don't think it's you or N_M either. That leaves Mo as only scum with gypyx. Why isn't Gypyx/Mo a possibility to you?

I mean, as I said, the (mo, gypyx) one is the only one I think is possible but it’s less about possible and more about probable — I think this game feels a lot like a double bus game. It reminds me of 2119, and there’s a reason I linked that to mo. But mostly I just... really am not seeing mo as scum rn? I don’t feel like he needs to bother engaging with me at all really, I’m not particularly scary this game and I’m an easy miselim (I think). With pooky probably wanting me dead regardless, what’s the incentive for a gypyx/mo team to not just support me dying today, then kill pooky, and then probably have a p easy final day limming T3? (But where you and NM would also be viable possibilities)

Also, for the sake of optimization, I'd like to know how you ruled out me/Mo.

If the scumteam plan for today is “let’s both pocket mena for shits and gigs even tho we don’t need to” then uh, okay

Mo feels like he’s solving. You sort of do too but I put less stock in it from you because I have more trust that you’re able to simulate solviness as scum

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Like a big problem for me when I have tried to engage with this game is that I haven’t really had a sense of “oh right, *this* is what scum wants to do” at any point basically

And I have t been able to get my head around the scumplan or anything or around what scum were doing at various points or why they made the NKs they did

But I hadn’t really considered (T3, gypyx) until today and it just kinda fits in a lot of ways? The main thing I have is I’m paranoiaing about it being too easy and them both being LHF

But look at the gypyx ISO — it’s bad right? And then there’s a lot pointing at T3 being scum too from NKs and him being the main CW (made up of all town) to flipped town

And then maybe some of the other weirdness is just normal town weird shit (like your overconfidence in NM!town — maybe I’m just wrong here and he is that town and you and pooky see it and I don’t, and I need to be the one to trust y’all here)

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Oh I forgot scum have a motion detector, that is a fair alternative to VFP being killed for reads

But it’s like

Of the 3 people who have died most recently

All of them wanted the CW to flipped town on D2 — now scum are playing well this game, so that *could* be a setup, and if it is then I think this game is quite likely lost, but I still think I wanna call the bluff and find out

Also re: dann — I had no idea he was in his PR meta lol. We haven’t played together that much and I think my meta on him being Not Great should be fairly evident from my thinking he was intensely scummy from
How he entered the game

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I don’t find the “ur tr on me is for bad reasons” being met by “well u pointed that out which is towny” to be particularly egregious— in fact, I have clear memories of doing this (foolishly) with skitter in some of our first games together. Of course, she was right (the tr was for bad reasons) and it was pure chance that she was scum that first game (as I learned to my chagrin when she hard pocketed me in another game by calling out my tr on her as being for bad reasons when she was scum) but the broader point I’m trying to get across is that when you’re a newbie to the site I think this is a very common cognitive slip to make

Fair. The point I was making though is that I can 100% see this as being Mo who is leaning into the "I'm a newbie and don't know any better" to get away with it. It's very tinfoily, but that's exactly how I won my first 3-4 scumgames before people started recognizing that I knew more than I was letting on about how mafia worked.

Yea and maybe that’s what’s happening here and you’re right to be paranoid and I’m giving a free pass to scum

In which case: mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

But I think that until we have confirmation from this game being over and mo flipping scum the higher % play is to say “nah, that’s not what’s happening, the dude is just town and figuring shit out” especially when there are other teams that I think make sense over and above the one team that he features in