Open 810 | Aliensitter Needed! | Mafia wins

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I think this is bizarre theatre for us to do and to then be like self-referential about it


What about if T3!scum -> mo!town?

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Dann was trying to fly under the radar (which is why you were scumreading him, I think)

Nah fam, I’d already dipped by the time that dann was starting to be under the radar-y

I disliked his opening because it felt way too confident for him and also overly flippant — like he was trying too hard to be light-hearted

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Can you guess my problem with this

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Well, one of

I also think you have a lot of equity with NM

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Let’s look at this from a slightly alternative angle: are there any scumteams with you in them where the plan is not for you to be the endgame scum should you fail to win in 5?

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And correspondingly: if both I and pooky are dead by 3p, is there anyone left you wouldn’t feel confident 1v1ing for the win?

Ninja- not seeing the relevance of the quoted

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You keep saying things that I just don’t really believe are true lol

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Like, you’re well-known to be a strong scumplayer who doesn’t hate scum which is fairly rare these days

Why *wouldn’t* you plan on being endgame scum?

I feel like in about 80% of my scumgsmes I plan around potentially having to win in 3p and play accordingly, and I don’t even like scum

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Honestly re: quotes I’ve been doing my level best to totally ignore everything drap posted as WIFOM to save myself the headache

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Let’s get down to brass tacks: who’s your preferred flip today?

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Rn I’m at

T3 > gypyx > you/NM > mo

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"Bingle won that game as scum"

b-but... glory?

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>tfw he doesn’t want the glory

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Okay, let’s leave it here for now

I’m going to try to get another couple of hours of napping done before I wake up and try to call the doctor’s office

Am curious as to who you think I could be teamed with?

I would entertain gypyx today but feel like T3 would maybe be more revealing (if he were town I might reconsider grandpa more seriously)

The other thing that would be good for today is if I could find any reason to think you/NM don’t make sense as a team but I’m not super optimistic about thst

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Fuck Glory.

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Menalque why the Grandpa Mo townread?

idk bro he feels like he's solving or he did the other page when he was talking to me

y u disagree

although I guess we could compromise and kill gypyx

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Is he though?

felt that way last night

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I don't like what you said in bolded. Tone feels off-

I'll admit this is interesting

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Where was that?

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That’s got nothing to do with gypyx knowing if drap was a newbie or not

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mena better carry me hard this game or hes scumbag

wait a second

where is my hard carry mena?!?

I mean if gypyx!scum then it’s all in the last like 10 pages baybee

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hmm

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Bingle I’m going to be very annoyed with you if you’re scum

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Well, not really

But I’m going to be vaguely irritated that I let you pocket me this hard

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Maybe we should yeet T3 first then?

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Idk I don’t wanna put a lot of stock in those posts but also letting T3 survive more days seems lowkey mad

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hnnng

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Not sure how I feel about it tbh

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I don’t really think that’s strong enough to clear gypyx from

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Who is it not

Pooky + anyone

Bingle + mo

NM + mo
T3 + mo probably

Bingle + gypyx prob
Bingle + T3 prob

Who could it be

T3 + gypyx
T3 + bingle
T3 + NM

Bingle + NM

NM + gypyx

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NM fits as scum with basically anyone other than mo

T3 fits as scum with basically anyone other than mo

Mo can only be scum with gypyx I think?

Bingle only scum with NM

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And gypyx can be scum with anyone but bingle

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At least

I can tell myself

At least it’s not perpetual mylo

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That does depend on gypyx uh

Actually turning up tho, bingle

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NO NO NO

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that’s not what I’m worried about, I’m worried bc you’re like one of the least readable people to me on site

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On the other hand I guess there are potential advantages to having you join, which I’m not gonna go into now but I’ll explain tomorrow

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It means I struggle to read ydrasse bc reasons

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also looking at the vc, why would i wanna skip d3 when i’m catching up? there’s people voting despite a no elim going through which is like. there are definitely things to be gained from seeing who wants to kill vs skip especially if it’s like, the mechanically ~rigjt~ decision

This is
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@mena why do your associations with professor um. well. *smiles at you*

I uh

Am not quite sure what you mean here if you’re talking about on my end

On prof’s end I’m p sure it’s because he was intentionally trying to cultivate me as a buddy suspect by the time he realised he was going down

How caught up are you anyway?

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Things have changed and I’m not sure I trust my reads on her anymore and I’m probably biased towards TRing her

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Man I can’t believe how much I sound like scum this game while not being scum lmao

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Oh shit also quickly, ydra, drap isn’t hectic, right?

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i can’t believe you’re so unhappy that i’m in a game and i’m so unreadable !!!

he doesn’t tell me his alts so i have no clue

I am simultaneously happy that you’re here and unhappy bc I am now significantly less sure that gypyx was scum

And oh I didn’t mean that I just assumed you can alt read him v successfully?

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you always remind me mena, thank you.

You’re welcome my dude

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Ugh I feel like we flipped too early given the rep in

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i can’t believe menalque hates me now

LIES

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and who i know for sure is going to flip scum

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Ydrasse is any female born after 1993 … all they know is mcdonald’s , charge they phone, twerk, be bisexual , eat hot chip & lie

with an emphasis on the lie >.>

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Important question, what is hot chip

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i do and i love the chaotic energy you radiate

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your lack of phone charging being an integral part of the same

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Oh that always bodes well

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Can you answer me a quick lil question

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Total doozy, I promise

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ur not scum, right?

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What... info is she meant to be recapping exactly?

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flashing gif answer

Spoiler:

I answer ur gif with a gif

Spoiler:

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I couldn’t remember bc your belabouring of the point was distracting from what the original Q was

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yeh I’ll be honest mo 90% of what I do when I’m skim reading is look for my own name

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bc you’re doing it at a time where it’s p clearly not getting answered and getting in the way of us getting acquainted and maybe getting to a more solid read on each other

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i’m dumb as bricks

she lied, lyingly

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I am attempting to perform what the french would call either une vibe check or un vibe check depending on whether l’academie francaise thinks the pronunciation should be altered or not from the english

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bc you’re doing it at a time where it’s p clearly not getting answered and getting in the way of us getting acquainted and maybe getting to a more solid read on each other

wit memes, yes lmao

unironically yes

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I am attempting to perform what the french would call either une vibe check or un vibe check depending on whether l’academie francaise thinks the pronunciation should be altered or not from the english

shut the fuck up LMAO

I’m leaning toward it being une btw, I think they’d totally lean into smoothing out the words

Maybe I’ll even vocaroo it so everyone can enjoy my put-on french accent

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given that SOME PEOPLE clearly did not appreciate it and SOME PEOPLE claimed it was just vowels

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Wait shit no, I take it all back

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Ydrasse is tentatively town which means bingle goes back down in the ole reads-a-roo

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im gonna assume that u didnt read my question?

always the safest assumption tbh

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the point is that u could have answered my question while the time u were in here -- smh.

She could, but would she have enjoyed it as much as

flirting with

pocketing me?

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Okay ydrasse town changes things potentially

I need bingle to be here again

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So pooky clear

Let’s say T3 flips scum for the sake of my mental health

That leaves 1 in

(Ydra, bingle, NM, mo)

Hnnn who did i rule out here

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Is it just NM!scum lol

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I’ll tell you this.
Without a doubt there is a scum on my wagon.

You can only know this if you're scum yourself

Like is this actually a strong enough reason to be convinced that drap!scum is a thing

And NM will definitely bus

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If tomorrow is lylo be warned I have no games left other than this one before hiatus and I’m currently recovering from what is probably viral tonsillitis which means A LOT of time lying around in my room and to play the game

I will make 400 posts and make ur life hell if u r scum if u don’t kill me tonight @whoever

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5 useless twilight pages

Best kind of twilight pages

Also ehh, okay, that figures

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The cow man does sound surprisingly towny if scum

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well that's predictable

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I can borderline not think of a 5p lylo I would less like to be in

very tempted to just vote ydrasse

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can everyone state their primary vote preference once they arrive please

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wonderfully unhelpful

I'm leaning towards it being bingle + ydrasse but I need to think some more

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I *think* I'm meant to be the patsy here and that's why I'm not the miselim

and those two have seemed the most interested in playing around me, I'd say

could be wrong, want to try to make an effort to check my work by reading through properly

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I think grandpa and ydrasse are /probably/ not aligned -> therefore either it's exactly bingle/NM or one of ydra/grandpa

also I'm probably going to mostly ignore everyone today and vote purely based on previous days, that's my rule in lylo

if the vote does't lose then I can debate people if I need to

ydrasse I feel like the fact that you just played scum with me in perpetual means that you really ought to know that this isn't how I approach a lylo as scum and also that I probably wouldn't have the energy levels I've had for this game if I were scum given how draining perpetual was (and in evidence of this, I present how even post pmylo ending I still did absolutely fucking nothing in defcon mafia because I just didn't have the willpower)

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gypyx's iso is very scummy though

and my perception of how you joined the game is very easily within your scumrange -- if you're not buddied with NM you at least know that E-1 is functionally hammer, so fmpov you hopped in, took the lim on the table, and then just shitposted

I think that's fundamentally not a very taxing thing for you to do as scum, especially when I was p fine with just shitposting along with you because I was happy to see you'd joined the game and hammer had already happened by that point

also, why would you not approach the day like that? it's functionally very similar to when you voted bulge in p-mylo?

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I mean if I'm in lylo then I already know who my target is if I'm scum, and if that were you then I wouldn't care about you realising I was scum, I'd just be hardpushing you to try and win already

the other thing about my broader energy level is that I probably had the highest WIM yesterday and while, yes, I have also been spam-posting which makes me artificially look more active than I am, I think it's generally very +town for me when I make 150 posts in a day or whatever it was that I got to yesterday. I think of particular note are the posts where I'm talking with grandpa and then with bingle, and I think those posts are very +town for me because I'm clearly trying to solve

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we both know i don't like doing things that have /consequences/ when i'm playing scum and i'm going to go out on a limb here and say me joining into a game and like, almost immediately getting someone miselimmed and then making an ass of myself because i thought i had come in and solved the game is like the antithesis of what i'd do (read: pocket you/pooky/bingle?)

ehh I mean just arriving and dropping a hammer is a very low effort way to play scum with high potential reward -- maybe you just win today, or if not you probably still have a good chance of your partner winning in 3p

I also don't really think you made an ass of yourself, I just think it was scummy given that T3 was town lol

I'm also having to take the "I don't like doing things that have /consequences/ when scum" thing with a huge pinch of salt, given that I'd talked to you oog about scum theory in general and like strongly recommended that you try to just get your hands dirty and do what needs to be done more often. I don't see why this isn't just you putting that advice into practice?

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1 e___e i don't know if you could just hardpush me though frankly because i would very much not put up with it lol

2 it's hard for me to just say "i'm clearly trying to solve" from you as something i should townread because you... can do that as town too imo?

(1) maybe I couldn't, but the point is I would very clearly have *a* target in mind. even if I went after you and failed, spewing you town, my partner would then have an easy scapegoat for the kill that gave little info and a solid chance of winning 3p

(2) I'm assuming this was meant to say "hard to see "I'm clearly trying to solve" from you at something I should townread [... because] you can do that as [scum] too imo?"

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and okay we both know i'm dumb but do you think i'm dumb enough to get advice from you and go into a game and do it in the very next game we're in while you're town LOL

I don't think this is dumb if you think I'm a viable mislim or won't be listened to lol

I mean the other thing I told you was "it doesn't matter if you're obvscum to someone, it only matters if you're obvscum to the person you need to cast the vote for the other townie"

so you coming in and not caring all that much about how I read you (while obviously not just outright openwolfing) actually fits very well with the advice I gave you

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like yes, this is what ydrasse wants to do, she wants to fight someone who is keenly aware of how she approaches scum right after they spoke about it and knowing that this person will 1v1 to the death

this doesn't really feel like what you're doing tho?

idk it feels like you don't particularly want to fight me (fair, I don't really wanna fight you obviously uwu) but it also just seems disingenuous to suggest that you wouldn't do a very solid scum!move after repping in just because it was advice I gave to you to play like that as scum

like the whole reason it's good advice imo is that it just increases your win % as scum. I think I'd honestly be less uncomfortable if you weren't trying to make out that it would be a really dumb thing for you to do but were saying something like "okay yes, I understand why you think scum!me would do that BUT I'M STILL NOT SCUM for X, Y, Z reasons"

like I'm not wedded to it but it just seems funky + I still think the way gypyx engaged with the thread after voting drap on D1 was really bad

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it meant "i cannot just at facevalue take you trying to solve as something that's towny because scum you could fake that i think and i want to look at how you progressed through it to see if it's ""good faith"""

yeah, that's fair, I wouldn't expect anyone to take me saying "I was clearly trying to solve at X point in the game" as fact because I can and will lie about that shit as scum lmao

mostly I feel fairly unconcerned tho

idk, either I'm the designated mislim in which case scum have to push me or vote me, which in turn probably makes it p obvious to me who scum is and I can devote all my energy to going HARD on them

or I'm the patsy who was meant to misvote town here and lose the game, in which case all I need to worry about is trying to get the solve right here and then prosecuting it as best I can

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do you genuinely think that i would think you're someone that won't be listened to or easy to miselim? (in theory i guess "viable" isn't the same as easy but given i don't have a lot of momentum as scum they're two things that go hand in hand for me, and i very much would not come into a game as scum like, off the bat trying to pick at you)

and you're ignoring the point, you gave me that advice, /but do you think i put it into use against you/

knowing that we could also have this same exact conversation in front of everyone?

I think my position is much weaker this game than it is in most lylo situations. why? because I was (1) largely absent for the first couple of days (2) drap specifically tried to create linkages between our slots with his posts and to make me look like a buddy, something which really makes me look worse in conjunction with my soft-defending the slot (3) a number of flipped dead town have been susp of me (4) I was again on the wrong wagon EoD yesterday

yeah, I'm never gonna make it *easy* for scum to mislim me if I can help it, but I've been wrong a lot this game and people the to perceive that as scummy even when they shouldn't (look at what happened to infinity in p-mylo)

and whether I'm listened to or not is directly related to whether scum think I can be miselimmed here. if they think I can, they don't need to worry about people listening to me, the only case they need to worry about that is if they think I *can't* be miselimmed (when I think I clearly can be) bc then there's a risk that if I successfully lim scum today, I might be cheeped tomorrow (I'm assuming the only cases where I'm not limmed today are cases where I lead a lim on scum, which in turn makes me very town after a scumflip)

and uh, yes, I think it's v plausible that you would lol

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(sidenote, i know we're being serious, BUT.)

Spoiler:

this did make me laugh

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to me it just boils down to like... internally, i know that i do not do this as scum despite your advice, /because/ you are the person who gave the advice. it is good advice i would use, but not in the context of joining a game when and where i did and positioning myself against you who has this knowledge. and i don't have a way to communicate that to you because it depends entirely on like, me knowing how i act/behave and knowing my alignment.

sorry but this falls under "stuff I'm gonna ignore when deciding who to vote today because it feels like wifom"

that being said i'm not sure that you are scum but i've given my reasons thus far.

what are you thinking about bingle?

bingle has also felt weirdly like he wants me on-side, especially yesterday. given that scum have played well this game (by dint of where we are, this is true) I'm following my general rule that you shouldn't trust whatever you were thinking the day before. my EoD feeling was that you/bingle were maybe more likely town. now that we're in lylo, I think probably that's what I was meant to think and that we're in this lylo for a reason

again, if I am the designated mislim that changes things, but I get patsy vibes. idk why bingle was so confident on me being town yesterday and it feels TMI

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why is it weird that bingle thinks you're town when like, from your pov you putting in all that effort and trying to solve yesterday is a +town thing for you?

bc I don't think I'd been like *that* towny at that point and I think part of what made me look town was from interacting with bingle himself -- hence, he shouldn't have had that level of confidence prior to the interaction, which is what I think it felt like

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it comes across as opportunistic for you to do, maybe?

idk what the benefit is to scum!me in not either keeping all my options open or in pushing hard from the beginning for whomever I perceive to be the easiest elim

like, obviously not impossible but this just feels flawed as a point of argument

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actually can you also explain what you're thinking about the other two?

no opinion really

like all y'all have things that are scummy but the best way to choose correctly in lylo is to ignore what your personal feelings are and to try to figure out why *you* are in lylo and why scum wanted you there

I've made a couple of hero calls (tbf sometimes when spectating) where I would have or did vote correctly in lylo by voting for the person my gut was screaming at me was town instead of the one who I'd been scum reading all game

ofc it feels much worse when you get beaten by the person you SR all game because of paranoia but that happens less often comparatively

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my quick thoughts on all of you are that you could be scum or could be town and idk which one that is but I'm gonna trust in my method of casting my vote today based on the past days of the game rather than anything that happens today (most likely, the obvious caveat being if scum double down on pushing me today)

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well if you're town then we lose, if you're scum then after everyone has checked in and there's no qh I tunnel your slot as hard as I can while being nice

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the "being nice" bit is specific to the fact that you're in the slot, btw

although obviously I would try not to be mean to anyone but admittedly I think I would struggle to go as hard on you as I would on someone who I felt generally less positive towards

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have you no humor today

what if we cross-voted each other in lylo

haha jk

unless...

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okay team will reconvene later / tomorrow ? given that i do not think i will be sober enough to read this game tonight

this sounds like good plan, do u think the rest are buying the theatre?

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hopefully, I have all my faith in u to win in 3p after u bus me here

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its the dream baybee everyone forgets that my top-secret scumtell is only being mean to by partners (intentionally mean)

and even then only because I can apologise to them and tell them how gr8 they are in the scum pt which goes double in ur case

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lmao what even is this game

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solves:

Mena: fucked if I know
Bingle: ydra + 1 of mena/mo
Mo: either ydra/mena or bingle/NM
ydra: mena/mo
NM: grandpa/ydra

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oh wait I got that wrong lmao

Mena: fucked if I know, leaning ydra/bingle
Bingle: ydra + 1 of mena/mo
Mo: one of ydra/mena, one of bingle/nm, leaning ydra/bingle
ydra: mena/mo
NM: grandpa/ydra

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it seems apparent that ydrasse is either being bussed or is town

needs further thought. my suspicion is still that it is just ydra!scum but scum don't wanna vote first just in case there's a misvote

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I really want this game to end, not so much because it's a nightmare or hellgame, but more because I just really wanna know wtf scum were actually doing all game lol

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like I'm jsut so perplexed, I don't get what the plan was at all

evidently it *worked* but still

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that is profoundly unhelpful

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maybe I just lolvote the cowman for the memes

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You bus in lylo if you think your partner is busted and you don’t wanna stand out for defending them

Like, if your goose is cooked

You have a much better chance of winning overall by being the one to lead on your partner and then going into 3p looking good

Than trying and failing to defend them and going into 3p like that

It’s only worth going for a win in 5p if you’re both reasonably TR or you have someone who looks like an insanely scummy patsy to vote off

The question is: is ydrasse an insanely scummy patsy who’s been brought to lylo to lose the game for town? Or is ydrasse just scum?


That’s the only question I’m particularly interested in rn given that everyone has her in their PoE

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Don’t underestimate scum willingness to bus in 5p if they think it substantially increases the odds of winning 3p

It’s not as good as bussing in 7p to win 5p, but it’s still a very valid strat

Just not sure if that is what’s happening here or not

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Open 810 Official Vote Count - 2.7

JohnnyFarrar

(5): PookyTheMagicalBear, GrandpaMo, T3, Not_Mafia, VFP

[E -1]

T3

(3): Almost50, JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm

VFP

(2): Gypyx, Menalque

Not Voting

(1): Bingle

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to shove someone's head into an energy core.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-05-20 15:00:00)

Open 810 Official Vote Count - Day 2 Hammer

JohnnyFarrar

(6): PookyTheMagicalBear, GrandpaMo, T3, Not_Mafia, VFP, Bingle

T3

(3): Almost50, JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm

VFP

(2): Gypyx, Menalque

With 11 alive, it took 6 to shove someone's head into an energy core.

Deadline

: Was the 20th of May, Thursday, 2021, 8am EDT

Hmm

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So the entire T3 wagon was town, it’s just that town was totally wrong lmao

Question is, were both scum on or was gypyx avoiding the wagon?

Does it makes sense for both gypyx and bingle to avoid the two main wagons when they’re both town wagons being pushed by town?

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Bingle pushed it over the edge in the end though

I think maybe I want to vote bingle more than anyone else today

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Game is hard

Why are you people not able to towntell >:(

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This is why I’m a sweaty tryhard half the time, just to make sure I get killed before lylo

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Mo can u point me st anything you’ve done that you think would make sense for you to have done if you were scum?

If I could get to a point where I could feel really confident on you that would help a lot

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I feel like bingle was probably manipulating me when he talked about how you reminded him of scum!him as a newbie but it has wormed it’s way into my mind and I’m having some paranoia even though I think you’re /probably/ town

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I’m no PR so it doesn’t really matter too too much.
I’m also in another game and it’s hard to do both with so much working IRL.

Oh. Okay then. Dead thread here I come!

VOTE: drap

Hmmm

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Mo can u point me st anything you’ve done that you think would make sense for you to have done if you were scum?

If I could get to a point where I could feel really confident on you that would help a lot

wdym like something as scum i would have done?

No, like, something you did that hurts you if you’re scum or just doesn’t give you any tangible benefit

Don’t overthink it, it was just that sometimes there’s a clear moment people can point to and go “well it made no sense for me to also push X and look bad when they flipped town because everyone wanted X dead anyway — if I were scum it would have made more sense for me to stay away from that wagon”

Or equivalent

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I’m coming round to it being bingle + ydra/NM, I’m just not sure which one

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One excellent point now I think about it is why the fuck isn’t bingle dead after hardpushing scum early on

Also dannflor is very familiar with him as he admitted, from TM

And if scum wanted to use that to setup bingle why did they not... do anything with it for the rest of the game?

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Not me!

Can u give me anything you’ve done that makes you not scum here?

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I’m swinging back round to it being bingle + NM lol

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I’ll do due diligence by ISOing them later then I’ll prob vote

I don’t think I can be bothered to reread sequentially do ISOs are gonna have to do

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Still just don’t really SR mo atp and given that 3 players on the D1 scum wagon are still alive, that really makes me think it was a double bus

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Oh, NB: check that NM + gypyx isn’t a thing

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I feel like that has nothing to do with your alignment

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I think that probably has a lot more to do with if you feel like actually posting or not

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Why is it mo + ydra ?

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Not me!

Can u give me anything you’ve done that makes you not scum here?

Drove the drap elim

I’m like 90% sure I’ve seen you bus a buddy from D1

Didn’t you spend most of your time voting mom in p-mylo lol

Why is it mo + ydra ?

I think it's maybe Ydra and Bingle now

What changed?

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that mykonian quote still makes me chuckle

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Not me!

Can u give me anything you’ve done that makes you not scum here?

Drove the drap elim

also what GeniusGamer said in ur quote really defines you lmfao

Guess what. Genius was scum in that game and I was town

damn what a cow

he actually fucking stomped scum that game lol, I was backup modding it

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does nm get any towncredit by bussing bingle here?

It at least makes tomorrow harder, assuming bingle is scum

NM is all about sandbagging his towngame to make his scumgame stronger which is annoying and borderline rulebreaking, but it is what it is and he’s not gonna change that now

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I mean I’ll let you say your piece but I’ll also re-iterate what I said to ydra, which is that I’ll be voting today much less based on what anyone does/says today and much more based on all the play that led us to this lylo in the first place

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What about his posting here is significantly different to his posting here, other than there being slightly more of it?

Worth noting his votes/pushes were also mostly on scum that game, hence why I don’t think drap is clearing

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Am I missing anything on why it can’t be Bingle + mo? I started rereading and I’m now realising I may have been ruling that possibility out without justification

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Lukewarm, do you have any non-pokemon related thoughts on any players yet?

Yeah. I am actually suspicious of Bingle making the suggestion for the psych to automatically out a guilty result. Because imo, that seems more likely to out the sitter then to out mafia.

I think that they know that too, because they were in the Open Setup review of the game that the mod linked to in the first post, and there they talked about the Psych having "a fake inno and a fake guilty on a questionable reliability investigative."

So from my PoV, Bingle came out with some anti-town advice, and then said for no one to question them

Let me give you a quick rundown on how Bingle do.

Bingle will argue the optimal strategy for town as he sees it, regardless of his alignment. Bingle is good at mechanics speak. Bingle is very good at mechanics speak. Bingle is widely regarded as among the best at mechanics on site. Bingle has said, specifically, that there are a bunch of things that are mechanically optimal, and that we should not discuss mechanics speak further for the rest of the day.

Either, Bingle is telling the truth that this is a protown maneuver or Bingle is crippling his ability to lean into mechanics speak, setting himself up to be questioned thoroughly on not D1 (historically the day when Bingle wants to be questioned in order to establish himself), and taking a harsh departure from what is a tried and true strategy Bingle has used as both town and scum for literally years to a pretty good result in a lobby that is at least half full of people who know Bingle pretty well.

Feel free to scumread me for it (I in fact enjoy scumreads, they are delicious) but we are done talking mech for D1.

I am actually a little confused how the psychologist role helps us in this set up.

If he can get a "can kill" result on the baby sitter, but gets a "not able to kill" result on the cowardly mafia + any mafia that has already committed a kill, then on day 1 wouldn't a "can kill" result be a 50/50 chance at being the babysitter or mafia. And then starting on Day 2, they will basically be getting "is babysitter" and "is not babysitter" results, right?

That makes me question this advice given by Bingle

Optimal play is for baby to target Allen and Allen to aim for scrum.

We all pseudoclaim a psych inno D2 and maybe later day phases on the basis of how kills pan out.

psych claims immediately if has guilty

I do have to comment on this though:

@Luke:

REGARDLESS OF HIS ALIGNMENT

; you should always treat Bingle's mech talk as gospel. It is accurate and indeed best play for Town. End of discussion.

Note: The above is not limited to this game. It does apply here but is a general rule of the thumb.

I am actually a little confused how the psychologist role helps us in this set up.

If he can get a "can kill" result on the baby sitter, but gets a "not able to kill" result on the cowardly mafia + any mafia that has already committed a kill, then on day 1 wouldn't a "can kill" result be a 50/50 chance at being the babysitter or mafia. And then starting on Day 2, they will basically be getting "is babysitter" and "is not babysitter" results, right?

That makes me question this advice given by Bingle

Optimal play is for baby to target Allen and Allen to aim for scrum.

We all pseudoclaim a psych inno D2 and maybe later day phases on the basis of how kills pan out.

psych claims immediately if has guilty

I do have to comment on this though:

@Luke:

REGARDLESS OF HIS ALIGNMENT

; you should always treat Bingle's mech talk as gospel. It is accurate and indeed best play for Town. End of discussion.

Note: The above is not limited to this game. It does apply here but is a general rule of the thumb.

I have never played a game with Bingle, so I guess I will take your work for it for now. His advice doesn't really come into play until day 2 anyways, so we can talk about it then.

Responding to post 196 without a quote because I hate the way you formatted that. How am I supposed to respond when your entire post is hidden inside of an older quote?

Yeah, it feels like you are not actually reading my posts, and are instead trying to make it fit to this idea you already have in your head. Almost50 had almost no influence on me dropping my scumread on Bingle.

This is why I dropped it:

what is a tried and true strategy Bingle has used as both town and scum for literally years to a pretty good result in a lobby that is at least half full of people who know Bingle pretty well.

Bingle claimed that he has done the same thing in every game he has played for years. I cannot imagine that this is a lie, because it is something that could easily be disproven by anyone willing to look back over his game history or by anyone who has played games with him in the past. I decided to move bingle back to a null read at this point, because I believed him here that it was NAI.

Almost50 chiming in was just an extra little nudge that re-accessing the situation as NAI was the right move.

Why are you lying? You keep saying "Almost50 had almost no influence on me dropping my scumread on Bingle" but you literally reply to that quote and agree with them, what am I suppose to think? (in post 148) That they didn't have influence on you? Of course I will make that claim. Just look at how you acknowledged it; it clearly seemed you were influenced by A50 here.

I quoted the other two quotes to see the chronological order of which these events followed. Bingle said somehting, A50 did too and you come out and reply to A50 acknowledging what Bingle said; idk it seems an influence to me.

Also what does the quote thing have to do with anything? Are you tyring to find petty reasons to seem like "oh scum would do this" you could literally just reply to me and quote under a different color. I needed to reply to everything you had so I can justify my reads and my reasoning. We may disagree or agree, oh well, as long as you understand what I am trying to say and I feel like you aren't right now.

Looking back I feel like this doesn’t look good for mo, and I remember at the time thinking that one of lukewarm/mo was town and the other was scum

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Maybe I should stop worrying about the NKA, but I really feel bingle should be dead by now? Like, if he and A50 are mutually TRing each other I find it a very odd decision to choose to take bingle further into the game instead of A50 (no offence, A50, but you being kinda “out there” sometimes makes you more available for a mislim than I think bingle generally is)

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Actually, I’m gonna change my vote to this.
He calls me out when I call out T3’s entrance as not that great and comparing it with Dann.
Then when T3 votes then he throws T3 in his SR’s.

VOTE: Lukewarm

Eh

Sure

VOTE: lukewarm

I’d also like to note that I don’t think this is something I’d do as scum, and is probably one of the best points against anyone thinking I was partnered with drap.

When I’m scum, I’m generally not going to very conspicuously sheep my buddy — I like to do my best to make sure that we don’t look too aligned, especially in the early game. Feel free to check my latest two scumgames where in p-mylo I consistently took stances against the skitter-lili hydra to try to avoid us looking aligned (later on we were super aligned, but out of circumstance, not desire) and also I’m fairly sure I did the same thing in the game where I was scum with vanders (I just checked, here’s the iso for me and my buddy — there was no daytalk so I couldn’t tell him to stop, but notice that while he consistently follows my votes, I consistently change away to make sure we don’t look like we’re pushing too much for the same things viewtopic.php?t=86045&f=83&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go )

As such, if I *was* going to make an exception and sheep my buddy for WIFOM purposes (and I generally don’t play for WIFOM unless I think I’m already losing, which... why would I feel that way at this point?) I doubt I’d do it in such a casual way? This is where it maybe gets a bit too self-meta-y, but I would probably wanna play off a sheep vote on one of my buddies as the result of some “progression” from interacting with them. Not just lazy plop it down with “eh sure”

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I mean, I also think it’s fairly obvious that I’m just town at this point anyway, but I mention in case there are doubts

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Why are you lying?

Okay, I am done interacting with you over this one comment tbh.

I'll say it lay it out one last time before I start hard ignoring this topic: Bingle's claim that he has done it in every game game for years was enough for me to decide that it was NAI. Before I got caught up on the thread,

I also read Almost50's post, which further confirmed it should be NAI.

Bingle made a statement, and that statement would be a dumb lie to tell. I mean if it was a lie, it could have be easily disproven by anyone willing to read his backlog (or by any of the people who have obviously played with him before) and therefore I decided to believe it.

Why should I not have believed his claim that he does that every game? If you are trying to say that it is indicative of me being scum, then you need to explain why town!Luke would not have reacted the exact same way.

Believe me or don't believe me, but I don't know what else there is to say on the matter.

I just saw this ngl. You literally contradicted what you said in the highlighted bold. You said in the earlier post that Almost50 had absoletly NO influence on your confirmation. And guess what you claim literally that it further confirmed it should be NAI. Do you see how why I suspect you could just be spewing lies out of your ass? I was never looking at Bingle's statement being a lie... like I said it's not what happened it is how you interacted with Bingle that was more sus. You keep going by the fact of the content being made. I thought the content was fine; I am not really assessing that. A scum mindset would have the same right now; you are going based of what you said and what bingle said and not looking at the bigger pciture. So literally everything after the bolded is irrelavent info. And I really see that as a way for you as scum to just cover your tracks. Honestly, you saying you don't want to interact with me is also anti town. I think my vote is gonna stay this for now.

VOTE: Lukewarm

Think this also looks bad now that lukewarm has flipped, was a lot harder to judge what was going on in the interaction at the time, but knowing that lukewarm was approaching things in good faith makes this argument look far reachier and too hyperbolic

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Also, contextually, it seems important that at that point in time, lukewarm’s main read and push is on scum

It doesn’t seem mad to me that mo might try the chainsaw defence in response, especially as drap still isn’t under that much pressure at this point. Scumteam probably still saw drap as salvageable and part of trying to do that might have involved undermining lukewarm’s credibility

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Like he had time to respond before and after that readslist.
He also hasn’t explained much of his reads (or at least not that I’m aware of)
Like his highest TR according to the sheet is Gypyx...

I wouldn't say that they are in order, more like just two groups atm.

But I have explained why I scumlean you, and I did not think your response was enough for me to change it. This is why I said that I scumleaned you:

when I iso'ed him there was a bunch of little things that pinged me, and no posts that made me townlean him, so I am happy with that vote for now.

It was a 2 part reason. "a bunch of little things," and no posts that made me

town lean you

. Yes, you tried to address the little things, and I took your response into consideration, but I still have

not seen any townie posts

from you, so my read on you stayed the same.

I am townleaning gypyx because of his response to the me/bingle interaction. He is the one who made me realize that I had misunderstood bingle, when I feel like scum could have just stayed quiet and let the misunderstanding sit.

Think your a little confused on your read there buddy.
You scum lean me if I recall not Town lean me, unless you just randomly 180’d you mis put “Town” instead of “Scum” which kinda makes me believe you aren’t entirely genuine about your read towards me.
You don’t believe me to have done anything Townie then keep watching me and I’m sure I’ll reveal my alignment eventually. If we both survive for tomorrow and you have the exact same read on me and nothing has changed, Boi I may have to bring up my 3rd Pokémon Move on you.

Um, If you read my posts I’m pretty sure I clarified my reasons and it shouldn’t have been that hard to catch on to what it was.
I don’t think helping with misunderstandings is AI? Considering A50 pointed out something I didn’t see and while it wasn’t entirely a misunderstanding it’s something I missed. It doesn’t really mean anything in the long run but I did miss it. I’m also pretty sure it was You (or maybe Gypyx) who called me out on it being bad.
I don’t know, if your only reason to TR Gypyx is “helped with misunderstandings” I hope you have more to add to that read of yours down the line.

This post furthers my feeling that scum didn’t have a plan of bussing drap at this point. I think if so he’d be more aggro with lukewarm instead of concerned with trying to get him to change his read on him, which is what this feels like. “I’m pretty sure if you read my posts” — yes, it’s an attack, but it’s also an appeal, I think? Like he thinks lukewarm’s reasons are bad but also doesn’t want to commit to TRing lukewarm in case he can’t change his mind

Also, nobody else who must be on the scumteam is gunning for drap atp. That should be happening if they’d already decided to bus

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Which is like EXTRA extra concerning when you consider that dann normally radiates town when town

this is so incorrect if you've ever played in any game with me that's not called team mafia and you have actually

like

this is the type of thing people who don't know me very well say because there's a meme reputation of being a deep wolf or whatever blah blah blah

but we literally had a game together VERY RECENTLY where I was like scummy as hell

granted I was hard defending you early on so maybe that colored your perception? but you definitely didn't hard town read me that game iirc

Never responded to this (sorry) but the reason I expect you to be hard town to me is bc of that game with hiraku/dram/A50 (the one with maf/werewolves) where you were quickly and strongly town to me

I feel like I have a good track record on reading you as town in the games we’ve had together and you’ve generally been town. Maybe I would read you as town if scum too, and obviously this game is an exception, but this was why you not seeming immediately town to me concerned me at the time

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Who would I be scum with at this point?

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Bingle, why have you been posting much more in other games than here? I would expect you, if town, to be quite interested in seeing if you can solve the puzzle instead of being avoidant

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Ydrasse dipping the fuck out is Not A Great Look for that slot

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VOTE: T3

Every post above me is town.

VOTE: VFP

The quoted post is literally a scum claim.

NGL.
I didn’t notice that till you pointed it out.

on the other hand, ew @ this

VOTE: professor

still not a fan of Pooky ftr

This is what I’m “ew” on?
I could probably give you like 3 others posts I’ve made that is more “ew” then that one.
Like can you explain?
Feels like your just trying to reach for a reason to vote me.

just the way you apparently take this seriously without doing the appropriate actions in that case (a vote)

but hey, what do you think is scummier than that and for what reasons now that you're on the topic?

I said I didn’t notice it to be consider that way. If you read my ISO you will know I GT’ed VFP.
Unless your referring to the after when you placed your vote, well if you go look at the thread I’m already voting you.
For your last part, if you read my ISO you can find allot better stuff to case me on.
I’m saying I feel like you just grab a random post of mine to vote me on.

GT'd? wdym?

and welp, i'm not seeing the stuff to case you on if that wasn't obvious, so that's why i'm interested on what you think it is, it would really be appreciated if you did that really

GT = Gut Town
Which you would know if you read my posts.

Hold Up.
Your “not seeing the stuff to case me on if that wasn’t obvious”.
So it’s an OMGUS vote that was placed on me then?
Um I’m not sure I understand the last part.
You want

me

to give

you

a reason why your vote on

me

is valid?
Huh?
I’m pretty sure I’m not understanding you here can you elaborate please.

Is this whole interaction really bussing?

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You sound a little worried, NM

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Also, page 13: it could be bussing, I guess, but some of what gypyx says really doesn’t feel like theatre? Idk

I guess I’m worried because I underestimated gypyx!scum in TENET and we lost that, but posts like

Oh that’s right. That’s what your asking.
You want me to show you the posts that are scummier then that.
Go read Lukewarm’s case on me.

alright, will do tommorow

so, i was gonna finish reading but got a headache and peoples are being loud so aaaaaaaa fuck that

How come you respond to Gramps but say nothing about Lukewarm?

either didn't felt like it was worth responding to, or i didn't get to it, anything you think i should've perticularly took a look at?

^that one feel very natural to me?

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I do think Lukewarm had a good defense I'll have to think on it.

Ok now here’s what I got for you.

Top 3 Town: Bingle, GrandpaMo, (?)
Top 3 Scum: Lukewarm, Pooky (Soul Read), (?)

specifically pine and man?

Hasn’t Mena posted recently?

specifically pine and man?

Hasn’t Mena posted recently?

man not mena

I do think Lukewarm had a good defense I'll have to think on it.

Ok now here’s what I got for you.

Top 3 Town: Bingle, GrandpaMo, (?)
Top 3 Scum: Lukewarm, Pooky (Soul Read), (?)

are those ur reads?

I do think Lukewarm had a good defense I'll have to think on it.

Ok now here’s what I got for you.

Top 3 Town: Bingle, GrandpaMo, (?)
Top 3 Scum: Lukewarm, Pooky (Soul Read), (?)

are those ur reads?

I said for “you” as in T3.
So no they aren’t mine.

specifically pine and man?

Hasn’t Mena posted recently?

man not mena

Oh damn.
Yeah just looked at player list didn’t even realize ManWithNoName was in this game.
Hasn’t even posted at all.

specifically pine and man?

Hasn’t Mena posted recently?

man not mena

Oh damn.
Yeah just looked at player list didn’t even realize ManWithNoName was in this game.
Hasn’t even posted at all.

yea same, I had to go to player list to check in and realized man didn't even post

Whereas drap/grandpa interactions are more like this^

Which is like... not clearing at all really. It’s just chitchat and doesn’t feel like it’s serious engagement, and I’m not quite sure what gave mo such a strong read on drap as town that he was willing to bat for him as much as he did D1

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Bingle, why have you been posting much more in other games than here? I would expect you, if town, to be quite interested in seeing if you can solve the puzzle instead of being avoidant

Without breaking any site rules that you just asked me to break, I am not posting in this game because the amount of effort it will take to make the posts I need to make in this game will take more of my effort than I can devote to mafia this weekend. I'm playing in the marathons because I've outright missed the last 2-3 marathon weekends. I've been doing my modding and reviewing because that is and always will be my priority.

You're going to have to deal with snipy comments before I have time to sit down and devote effort here.

Besides, I already have a solve. I just need to reevaluate the puzzle to ensure it's the right one. (you know, examine the N_M you provided, respond to a bunch of walls about how to frame me.) Considering Y has been in many of the marathons as well, I'm hardly the only offender.

Oh shit lol, I wasn’t thinking it was bending site rules but uh, yeah
Let’s forget I phrased it that way and consider the question to have been “why haven’t you been posting very much/that enthusiastic about this game?” Which you’ve conveniently already answered

Also, I did just call out ydrasse for not posting too

But okay, take your time, I’m not necessarily gonna try to read all of this today and I have plans to marathon later probably too

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Spoiler:

Lukewarm, do you have any non-pokemon related thoughts on any players yet?

Yeah. I am actually suspicious of Bingle making the suggestion for the psych to automatically out a guilty result. Because imo, that seems more likely to out the sitter then to out mafia.

I think that they know that too, because they were in the Open Setup review of the game that the mod linked to in the first post, and there they talked about the Psych having "a fake inno and a fake guilty on a questionable reliability investigative."

So from my PoV, Bingle came out with some anti-town advice, and then said for no one to question them

Let me give you a quick rundown on how Bingle do.

Bingle will argue the optimal strategy for town as he sees it, regardless of his alignment. Bingle is good at mechanics speak. Bingle is very good at mechanics speak. Bingle is widely regarded as among the best at mechanics on site. Bingle has said, specifically, that there are a bunch of things that are mechanically optimal, and that we should not discuss mechanics speak further for the rest of the day.

Either, Bingle is telling the truth that this is a protown maneuver or Bingle is crippling his ability to lean into mechanics speak, setting himself up to be questioned thoroughly on not D1 (historically the day when Bingle wants to be questioned in order to establish himself), and taking a harsh departure from what is a tried and true strategy Bingle has used as both town and scum for literally years to a pretty good result in a lobby that is at least half full of people who know Bingle pretty well.

Feel free to scumread me for it (I in fact enjoy scumreads, they are delicious) but we are done talking mech for D1.

I am actually a little confused how the psychologist role helps us in this set up.

If he can get a "can kill" result on the baby sitter, but gets a "not able to kill" result on the cowardly mafia + any mafia that has already committed a kill, then on day 1 wouldn't a "can kill" result be a 50/50 chance at being the babysitter or mafia. And then starting on Day 2, they will basically be getting "is babysitter" and "is not babysitter" results, right?

That makes me question this advice given by Bingle

Optimal play is for baby to target Allen and Allen to aim for scrum.

We all pseudoclaim a psych inno D2 and maybe later day phases on the basis of how kills pan out.

psych claims immediately if has guilty

I do have to comment on this though:

@Luke:

REGARDLESS OF HIS ALIGNMENT

; you should always treat Bingle's mech talk as gospel. It is accurate and indeed best play for Town. End of discussion.

Note: The above is not limited to this game. It does apply here but is a general rule of the thumb.

I am actually a little confused how the psychologist role helps us in this set up.

If he can get a "can kill" result on the baby sitter, but gets a "not able to kill" result on the cowardly mafia + any mafia that has already committed a kill, then on day 1 wouldn't a "can kill" result be a 50/50 chance at being the babysitter or mafia. And then starting on Day 2, they will basically be getting "is babysitter" and "is not babysitter" results, right?

That makes me question this advice given by Bingle

Optimal play is for baby to target Allen and Allen to aim for scrum.

We all pseudoclaim a psych inno D2 and maybe later day phases on the basis of how kills pan out.

psych claims immediately if has guilty

I do have to comment on this though:

@Luke:

REGARDLESS OF HIS ALIGNMENT

; you should always treat Bingle's mech talk as gospel. It is accurate and indeed best play for Town. End of discussion.

Note: The above is not limited to this game. It does apply here but is a general rule of the thumb.

I have never played a game with Bingle, so I guess I will take your work for it for now. His advice doesn't really come into play until day 2 anyways, so we can talk about it then.

Responding to post 196 without a quote because I hate the way you formatted that. How am I supposed to respond when your entire post is hidden inside of an older quote?

Yeah, it feels like you are not actually reading my posts, and are instead trying to make it fit to this idea you already have in your head. Almost50 had almost no influence on me dropping my scumread on Bingle.

This is why I dropped it:

what is a tried and true strategy Bingle has used as both town and scum for literally years to a pretty good result in a lobby that is at least half full of people who know Bingle pretty well.

Bingle claimed that he has done the same thing in every game he has played for years. I cannot imagine that this is a lie, because it is something that could easily be disproven by anyone willing to look back over his game history or by anyone who has played games with him in the past. I decided to move bingle back to a null read at this point, because I believed him here that it was NAI.

Almost50 chiming in was just an extra little nudge that re-accessing the situation as NAI was the right move.

Why are you lying? You keep saying "Almost50 had almost no influence on me dropping my scumread on Bingle" but you literally reply to that quote and agree with them, what am I suppose to think? (in post 148) That they didn't have influence on you? Of course I will make that claim. Just look at how you acknowledged it; it clearly seemed you were influenced by A50 here.

I quoted the other two quotes to see the chronological order of which these events followed. Bingle said somehting, A50 did too and you come out and reply to A50 acknowledging what Bingle said; idk it seems an influence to me.

Also what does the quote thing have to do with anything? Are you tyring to find petty reasons to seem like "oh scum would do this" you could literally just reply to me and quote under a different color. I needed to reply to everything you had so I can justify my reads and my reasoning. We may disagree or agree, oh well, as long as you understand what I am trying to say and I feel like you aren't right now.

Looking back I feel like this doesn’t look good for mo, and I remember at the time thinking that one of lukewarm/mo was town and the other was scum

Why are you lying?

Okay, I am done interacting with you over this one comment tbh.

I'll say it lay it out one last time before I start hard ignoring this topic: Bingle's claim that he has done it in every game game for years was enough for me to decide that it was NAI. Before I got caught up on the thread,

I also read Almost50's post, which further confirmed it should be NAI.

Bingle made a statement, and that statement would be a dumb lie to tell. I mean if it was a lie, it could have be easily disproven by anyone willing to read his backlog (or by any of the people who have obviously played with him before) and therefore I decided to believe it.

Why should I not have believed his claim that he does that every game? If you are trying to say that it is indicative of me being scum, then you need to explain why town!Luke would not have reacted the exact same way.

Believe me or don't believe me, but I don't know what else there is to say on the matter.

I just saw this ngl. You literally contradicted what you said in the highlighted bold. You said in the earlier post that Almost50 had absoletly NO influence on your confirmation. And guess what you claim literally that it further confirmed it should be NAI. Do you see how why I suspect you could just be spewing lies out of your ass? I was never looking at Bingle's statement being a lie... like I said it's not what happened it is how you interacted with Bingle that was more sus. You keep going by the fact of the content being made. I thought the content was fine; I am not really assessing that. A scum mindset would have the same right now; you are going based of what you said and what bingle said and not looking at the bigger pciture. So literally everything after the bolded is irrelavent info. And I really see that as a way for you as scum to just cover your tracks. Honestly, you saying you don't want to interact with me is also anti town. I think my vote is gonna stay this for now.

VOTE: Lukewarm

Think this also looks bad now that lukewarm has flipped, was a lot harder to judge what was going on in the interaction at the time, but knowing that lukewarm was approaching things in good faith makes this argument look far reachier and too hyperbolic

you need to see the full interaction and how i developed against luke vs luke developing against me .. not just tat specific bit -- it makes sense in full context, esepcially after i backed down towards him and started actually townreading him lol so idk if u misswed that -- but if u still look at the interaction between me and luke at the whole picture and still have concern, please feel free t otell me and i am more willing to explain wassup

I mean... I did read the whole thing? I’ve been reading through sequentially from page 1, I’m just not commenting on everything

I appreciate the willingness to answer questions (and the desire to defend yourself) but honestly I’m probably not going to engage with you much further while I continue reading, sorry

Effort put into engaging with you today is liable to not help my read on you, and probably will just make me paranoid, so I’d rather trust in trying to assess based on the rest. I also only have a limited amount of time/effort for the game overall, and any time spent chatting with you today takes away from my ability to look back at past days, which is what’s gonna determine my vote

If you’re town, please try to give me the space I need to read and trust that if there are clearing interactions between you and drap that I’ll notice them

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im really only in the mood for marathon games atm, after it wraps up ill be back to normal games

Okay; like I said to bingle, there’s time yet

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Spicy

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Not hammering

Bingle/ydra?

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Okay I’m stopping the catchup and going for a walk until it’s confirmed that we haven’t lost already lol

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Bingle and ydra were literally just posting within the last 5-10 minutes, it’s a very reasonable assumption they’re still around and liable to post imminently

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Not hammering with ydra

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Then put it down again and let’s see if bingle/ydra is a cleared team

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It saves me a lot of time if we lose to bingle/ydra atp and while I wouldn’t be *happy* about it, at least I wouldn’t be the losing vote so

Do it, cowman

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You're so boring

Is true, sadly

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I’d be happier if NM had left the vote on (lol when he puts it back and it is ydra/bingle and they just missed the qh) but I think I’m basically happy to consider ydra/bingle cleared which means 1 scum conf within mo/NM

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I’m here still

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Ydra can you come and either hammer or clear you/bingle

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I want to also be clear: if the two of you refuse to quickhammer for like, several hours bc you’re worried N_M is hammer baiting, I will be legitimately annoyed with you for unnecessarily dragging it on

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You have a dog!? Pics??

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Very cute, 10/10

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HAMMER

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OR

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CLEAR

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!!!

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How does ydra possibly confirm NM/mo as S/S if she’s scum with mo lmao

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Oh you meant as S/T and phrased it weird

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Uh

You really should be voting NM if anything...

Playing marathon stuff atm will be around later if game not over lol

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not hammering

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Uh

You really should be voting NM if anything...

Playing marathon stuff atm will be around later if game not over lol

i dont want to.. thats the problem....

what do u not understand ? im more certain in scum!bingle >> after bingle, then i further analyze, im just associating bingle + nm as the most likely pair....

but like...

NM has to be confirmed scum to you at this point? how can you possibly be more sure in scum!bingle?

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...because any team of me/ydra, ydra/bingle, bingle/me would have hammered you by now and won the game?

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like the vote has been on a long time dude, and we've all been around

ydra hasn't confirmed it yet by posting at the same time as bingle, but me/bingle and me/ydra are both confirmed as not being the team

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scum could be still you , ydrasse for all u know.

this is literally impossible lol we posted within a minute of each other

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okay mo is scum, it's a question of who the partner is

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scum not hammering is incredibly AI lol, there's been so much time, and NM isn't the sort of player who stalks the thread trying to judge his hammer bait exactly

all ydra/bingle would have to do is be around and, again, ydra has been kinda quiet but I'm p sure she's still been on site due to marathon

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BINGLE

COME AND CONFIRM URSELF

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I MENTALLY SUMMON YOU FROM THE ELDRITCH REALMS

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assuming it isn't bingle/ydrasse, bc again, they prob could have already won as I think they overlapped enough earlier

that means it's just NM/mo, right?

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if this is not mo/NM at this point I'll be shocked lmao

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I think without daytalk NM figured a bus was the best bet to try and win 3p (especially with me coming round on mo, and bingle hard TRing him)

but mo really wants to win in 5p and so decided to go for the second juiciest target and is just abjectly refusing to vote his buddy lol

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I mean

it can't be

me/ydra
me/NM
me/bingle
ydra/bingle
ydra/NM

atp right? all those teams have had plenty of time to hammer

so the only teams left are

me/mo
bingle/NM
mo/NM

wait is ydra just cleared then lmao

she could have hammered bingle with me or NM

could've hammered mo with bingle or me

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ydrasse, we are gonna solve this fuckin game

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Well, town probably loses now. Stupid randing scum in SH.

eh?

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I don't follow, bingleboi

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so both bingle and ydrasse think that NM is town

am I the idiot or the genius here

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no content tonight, probably tomorrow,

*hugs*

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If I drive the elim on two scum and get reverse BoP'd or whatever the term is called just because Menalque doesn't like my playstyle I swear to Whitney

if anything, it's a compliment of your scumgame, N_M

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well hopefully, assuming that mo is scum which does seem p much guaranteed now, I die and don't have to worry about it

if it makes it easier on you I'll try to leave instructions on who to vote and we can blame bingle if he lims you>NM