Open 814: CultD3 CULT WINS

[Enchant]

Hello, i claim Mafia Goon.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Flea

[Enchant]

Yes.

Cult Leader should claim immediatly, so we can figure strategy.

Hi yes, dog here.
~ Kori

[Enchant]

Yes.

Cult Leader should claim immediatly, so we can figure strategy.

Hi yes, dog here.
~ Kori

What?

[Enchant]

Fine so.

If you are Town Cop and found someone as Cult, don't just claim "OH THIS PERSON IS CULT", lynch them by normal means, take other reasons, last thing you want to realise you claim, lynched cult and they brainwash you next night.
If you are Town Rolestopper, you exist only in setup with Cop/Tracker, spam your ability on them so they are not converted. No, there's no excuse.
If you are Town Jailkeeper, go jail person you suspect as Cult Leader (Like literally there's nothing to add)
If you are Town Tracker and found suspicious visit... Then your decision, it could be simple townie or Cult RoleCop/Roleblocker (you don't want end up in cult after lynching them do u?), so try push person on E-1 where they are forced to claim. SIMPLE.
If you are Friendly Neighbour, go make friends (like literally there's nothing to add).
If you are notRecruitable townie, claim Day 2, so you can't be just CCed, power worthless anyway and you can't be killed not by town.

That's kinda all. Everyone agree?

[Enchant]

How Flea even know how many time exact player waste on reading role.

[Enchant]

I expecting osuka softbus Lemons without any sane reasons, but fearing to actually push him over river because it's too much.

[Enchant]

I expecting osuka softbus Lemons without any sane reasons, but fearing to actually push him over river because it's too much.

Why were you expecting this?
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Many games where mafia always push other mafia "for a bit" and then forgetting like it ever happened gives me this.

Why you even vote if you fear hammers, you always can discuss without votes altogether.

[Enchant]

I want town ticket, how much?

[Enchant]

He is acting most outrageous with votes on Lemons (literally #1, VOTEVOTEVOTE and then suddenly "oh wait nvm unvote i fear quickhammers")

[Enchant]

He is acting most outrageous with votes on Lemons (literally #1, VOTEVOTEVOTE and then suddenly "oh wait nvm unvote i fear quickhammers")

I can see where you're coming from but why do you think someone unvoting at E-1 is more likely to come from soft-bussing scum than town concerned about a quick-elim?

It would be great if he though he is town, but it's not like that.

Maybe we have different minds, but why i should even care to save someone i vote if i think he is

mafia

cult.

[Enchant]

Fun fact: I get scum more often than town.

[Enchant]

He is acting most outrageous with votes on Lemons (literally #1, VOTEVOTEVOTE and then suddenly "oh wait nvm unvote i fear quickhammers")

I can see where you're coming from but why do you think someone unvoting at E-1 is more likely to come from soft-bussing scum than town concerned about a quick-elim?

It would be great if he though he is town, but it's not like that.

Maybe we have different minds, but why i should even care to save someone i vote if i think he is

mafia

cult.

Not everyone votes in the mindset that person is absolutely scum. I was on Lemons too and unvoted when they were brought to E-1.

Can't argue with that.

See me being right by accident.

[Enchant]

You probably answered already, but how Flea know who didn't refuse PM instantly.

[Enchant]

... No.

Like look.

Assume i open my role PM, and after decide not to confirm for a bit. After that i open it again, and confirm.

How you know i opened PM, but didn't answer to it? It's literally impossible.

[Enchant]

Wasting time with 12 days.

AHAHAHHAHAHA.
No.

Atleast i understand now, thanks.

[Enchant]

Problem with this game is cult leader. We can murder one cultist per day and still lose, simple because of spamming cultists.

That's reason why i want to see early accusations, because cult leader NEED something to cover self up. That's same with mafia who always bus self not actively for distancing. But here, leader could and probably should hardbus cultists (he always can get more).

Would cult risk to softbus leader, like mafia do? I think yes. That's reason why i suspect Lemons who you already townread and, surprising, osuka who... No comments, you already see that.
T3 is probably not Cult, because when i was mafia with him in other game, first thing he do is trying to kill teammate for townpoints and get murdered, idk if he changed his atlitude, but it's not like he actively accuse someone.
Flea is dangerous, i can't predict.
About others i have nothing to say.

Would cult not bus? Well. Yes. But i somehow believe they do.


Ergo,

we can win only by randomlynch and hoping we cover Cult Leader with it

. Why this is striked, that's truth. Sad, but true, go use your SCUMREADING powers or something, because not sure how to win this otherwise, but i think Lemons/osuka is best pet here.

[Enchant]

What information i extract and what information cult need? They already know setup have strictly 3 options.

[Enchant]

Sorry, but believing jailkeeper or rolestopper can stop convert is..

Uuuh. How good are docs and jailkeepers? Unless we have unrecruitable townies, it's safe to assume cult always convert someone, and game will turn in chaos mess on day 2 already.

[Enchant]

After this talk i just realised.

Maybe it's not bad idea to reveal Unrecruitable townies right now, so they couldn't get CCed later by Cult when they have numbers (and they will have with high chance)?

While it denies power they have, they will not be counterclaimed (unless by cult PR/Cult Leader who is insane enough). It actually nets us with 2/6 chances to hit cult and 1/6 to find Cult Leader (from VT perspective).

What you think?

[Enchant]

I know they can.

I don't believe they do it.

[Enchant]

Main idea in avoiding situation with 4 PR claims on Day 2 (Two Cult and Two Town UnRecruitable), because it's really bad position, where we need:
1. Argue would CL risk will be in these group of PR
2. If so, who could be it around PR
3. If not, same, but with VTs

Instead of 2 confirmed towns, we get some insane games with wine.

As told before, cult can regenerate members, so i expect suicidal games. They literally lose nothing from it.

[Enchant]

Cop should crumb results for what?

[Enchant]

Probably i can't understand something.

But did you propose plan where PR should let lynch self, but not reveal at all costs?
It's idiocy. Even if they can be converted. Why the fuck, we can lynch cult leader instead and win, and claimed PR not like be Cult Leader (unless...)

[Enchant]

How you tell apart simple cultist from cultist-cop?

Or do converted remain their powerrole and flip as some "Cult Cop"? I think it simple "Cultist".

[Enchant]

Flea, if you say so, you didn't read.

Converted want to die. Because his life is worthless, his death may free place for new convert and save CL for another day.
Unless deadcultist doesn't win, but i didn't see any special rules so.

[Enchant]

Cult Leader is main bone of cult, as long as he alive, cult can't be defeated.

If he counterclaim PRs, it's damn suicide. Unless he want throw wine around.

[Enchant]

Eugh so town remains infoless, I was assuming flips as "Cult Tracker" and stuff.

Hmm... ok I need ot think on this.

You don't.

If you are PR, you should claim before dying. Either you die anyway, but point who you used ability on and save town some headache, or survive and actually help town (if you can't count, we have 3 myslynches. And lynching of common cultist COUNTS as Myslynch for that purpose. Actually it's harder to count, but you get idea, killing Cop is waste regardless if he is real or converted, and quickens cult win).


Also we could consider "Unrecruitable" gambit, where all PRs claim Unrecruitable if forced.
Then we can protect PRs via that and not to lose so much from if there's indeed Unrecruitable (cult could waste convert on them).
So if you are PR, you can consider claim Unrecruitable regardless of real one.

[Enchant]

About Major i need look closely, i missed whole thing

[Enchant]

Major pushed because of accusation of Maruchan, who is not even playing here. It looked more like joke though, so didn't notice, but Major claims it as mistake, so that's pretty low excuse.

Major Minor is person, which i don't will miss anyway.

[Enchant]

Game in a nutshell.

Major gain wagon because of putting moderator and activity issue, have "oh, i don't want to die" and make "OH ENCHANT DOESN'T MAKE READS" while i have in ISO clear names, which persons elim i pretty fine with.

Ergo, he does blind accusations again, ignore my trying to solve this (oh right, effort in solving meta not count, because cult would do that) and trying save self.


If you think it's hard to point at any thing, scream any abbreviation and make "reads" from that, i have bad news for you or myself.

For you, you just calling randomlynch via good word "SCUMREADING".
For me, seems like i am never gonna learn art of "SCUMREADING".

Don't worry, i perform SCUMREADING and catch scum right now. Hold up.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Raya

This is cult.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Raya

This is cult.

elaborate for me <3

random.org never lies

Unless bad luck.

[Enchant]

Why not

[Enchant]

VOTE: Raya

This is cult.

elaborate for me <3

random.org never lies

Unless bad luck.

what motivated you to make this post? this variety of openly bad voting doesn't even feel particularly scummy because i don't know what scum gains from it either. it's just weird. what is your strategy here?

Because that's truth, i randomised it.

[Enchant]

okay, fine. how do you hope to advance towards a gamesolve with a vote that you randomized? it seems like the point you're trying to make is that attempting to scumhunt isn't any better than just randomly eliminating someone, which i disagree with. and either way, i don't think it's helpful to pointedly refuse to attempt to produce reads when presented with the valid observation that you've been "playing around the game" rather than actually playing the game.

p-edit @266

Watch people who doesh't understand jokes and jump for that.

[Enchant]

Major gain wagon because of putting moderator and activity issue, have "oh, i don't want to die" and make "OH ENCHANT DOESN'T MAKE READS" while i have in ISO clear names, which persons elim i pretty fine with.

like, maybe it's just the language barrier, but i can't find a single post of yours that seems to indicate you want anyone in particular eliminated today. you don't seem to be pushing anyone with any degree of focus or conviction.

and what's definitely NOT the language barrier is the fact that you were voteparked on flea from RVS right up until you voted for raya, which is another random vote. you have not used your vote to actually apply pressure to anyone in this entire game so far. i would love if you could give us an overview of your reads up to this point.

p-edit jokes don't advance the game. the points i've made in this post still stand

I already pointed, osuka and you are main suspects from me, because of likelyhood of distancing.

About reads so far. Don't open or you get heartattack.

Spoiler:

I am bad at this overall, and random having better chances to success than my assumptions. That's reason why i talk about setup, while you yell about something which i cant' undertand. This is not my side. You kinda can't change that.

[Enchant]

@Enchant you're better than just randoming D1, I know that for a fact.

In fact, i can't remember any game with you, where i was town.

[Enchant]

Fine. I try to read game for real.

[Enchant]

Why haven't you before now?

I did.

I simple didn't see anything.

[Enchant]

Yes.

[Enchant]

I have no wish to reread game seriously right now. Tomorrow.

Flea, what you think about my plan with revealing PRs? You didn't comment it yet.

[Enchant]

Sadly i could't fight my VI nature and protect self, so:

Spoiler:

I am Town PR. I strongly believe we are toast without CL dead fast anyway. If you want exact role, then go ahead and ask. If other PR will claim, it would be sweet.

[Enchant]

Sadly i could't fight my VI nature and protect self, so:

Spoiler:

I am Town PR. I strongly believe we are toast without CL dead fast anyway. If you want exact role, then go ahead and ask. If other PR will claim, it would be sweet.

Uhhhh wtf

You had, what, two votes on you? This was completely unnecessary.

I planned to do that anyway, that's reason why i asked what you mind about it. I see this as not bad way.

[Enchant]

I hope this didn't jeopardize whole game and you are not pissed.

Either way, i changed my mind. Don't claim. I think it's already good other PR know who is me.

[Enchant]

6 days to go,

Enchant, I am disappointed in you. You knw you're getting culted tonight, right?

How you could know this, if i didn't claim PR yet?

[Enchant]

I think i fucked this game up.

I can claim, but are you damn sure?

[Enchant]

I am Town Rolestopper.

[Enchant]

My plan was to pose as Unrecruitable, so i am not end up brainwashed and help tracker/cop catch actual cult, not wasting check on me and help you in finding CL.

Of course i will post my targets.
It sorta failed, but because after you know my role, you have higher chances to lynch CL and i think we could do that.


Btw. After this night i could be converted. Don't lynch me if CL alive, no matter what i say or do, because drawing lynch on me instead of CL and freeing cult slot is not in town favor and this is first thing i would do as convert.
... Honestly idk, i would be idiot if i didn't try to wine it and probably do. Just consider me foe after this night.

I will add something later, too busy right now.

[Enchant]

Mafia is hard.

I expect from CL being considered as town or atleast hiding around when other people pushed. This is most vital role, which cult want to save at all cost. So i expect SecondCult to push everything around. Even if he die, what he lose? Nothing can stop CL convert now if he really want.

But considering cult need just 1-2 day to screw town over, i think they could be passive and just sit with popcorn.


Also. I asked to not claim, because knowing i am PR for said PR is pretty powerful knowledge, without endangering me. I realised it too late and you can't read my mind and ye, i lynched/forced to claim at day 1 very, VERY often. Counterclaim situation is bad for me, because how likely possibility you believe cult, not me.

Not sure who really could be cult. Sorry for my blindness, i simple can't.

[Enchant]

Major, I think you should consider switching to Umlaut because I agree with you on that read and am unconvinced on T3. There are 3 days so I think we have time to pressure there.

Done.

VOTE: Umlaut

Bruh.

[Enchant]

I starting to actually suspect Raya though.

She played game with me, but said i never used onlymechanic. In our only game i was town and played almost same and called out for no-reads.

Either Raya have bad memory, or simple used it as excuse.

[Enchant]

Sorry, but it's dangerous to put anyone at E-1.

Cult can hammer with funny excuse. They can just throw self around, and because i revealed, their convert always will success (either it will be me or roleblock me and convert someone else). Of course you will know who is cult (or triggerhappy town) after that, but i don't think lynching simple cult member is Worthing potential of instahammered cop/tracker.

So i want avoid it. Also don't put people on E-1, if you really want claim from them, simple say so.

TL'DR: Don't put at E-1 unless we certainly decide this person dying.

[Enchant]

I didn't watch votes carefully.

Why you voting Umlaut? I want case.

[Enchant]

Sorry, but it's dangerous to put anyone at E-1.

Cult can hammer with funny excuse. They can just throw self around, and because i revealed, their convert always will success (either it will be me or roleblock me and convert someone else). Of course you will know who is cult (or triggerhappy town) after that, but i don't think lynching simple cult member is Worthing potential of instahammered cop/tracker.

So i want avoid it. Also don't put people on E-1, if you really want claim from them, simple say so.

TL'DR: Don't put at E-1 unless we certainly decide this person dying.

But... we didn't put them at E-1.

And even then, cult coming in and superhammering just gives us a claimed cult?

Yes. It gives.

Now what?

[Enchant]

Yes, i saw it.

[Enchant]

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=86191

This one.

[Enchant]

Okay gimme your thoughts.

My thoughts will be subjective, because i can't understand this way.

I was about to say "Beetlejuice tell" but Beetlejuice is paradoxically so well-known that for someone with a 2014 join date it's effectively an anti-tell

Can't understand what Beetlejuice tell mean, there's nothing on wiki. I want explaination if you can.

I'm suddenly more interested in this than I am in the Major or T3. Lemons' jump onto Enchant is oddly timed in that based on their posts they should have voted Enchant pages and pages prior but didn't vote Enchant until it was safe (look at 290 basically asking Major's permission to join the wagon??)

I walked ISO of Umlaut, and he actually voted me long ago, but noticed Major include mod in suspiciouns list and caught attention. Most funny thing, he only person who asked why town simple can't randomvote. He voted after i claimed PR which is pretty logical thing. I quess...?

[Enchant]

VOTE: Major

Death or Glory.

[Enchant]

UNVOTE:

E-1 nvm.

[Enchant]

Osuka, who you suspect expect for me and T3

[Enchant]

Like if you think Flea is scum then why aren't you voting them, and what other reads do you have on the rest of the plist?

i'm not sure how i feel about you in particular at first. you strike me as towny but there's something about it that's offputting and i can't really put my finger on it. i do believe everything you've done so far is within your scum range

umlaut kind of screams town atm
enchant has absolutely braindead takes but i'm not entirely sure that's necessarily ai. willing to exec this slot
t3 sort of doesn't do shit but that's signature t3 and as far as i can tell, it's nai. still willing to exec this slot because he's not gonna do shit all game

i dont have excellent reads because the game stalled and ive been extremely busy so i'm very sorry about my own activity (even if i cant really do anything about everyone else's). i'll be here to talk to you again when you come back

Here.

If you willing to execute someone, then you suspect them. Seems logically?

[Enchant]

Eh. Yes, i hear.

Not sure how it help town right now, unless you somehow murder cult with police.

[Enchant]

Well.

1. I was not culted. Even if you doesh't believe me, don't elim me, because i can't be CL.
2. My target was Marky. I somewhat believed he is town, when he tried to push after hammer. Why cult would do that?
3. Idk what to do next.

[Enchant]

CL obviously.

Even if we kill Recruited/PR Cultist, CL will simple get another one. There's problem. From my perspective, we can hit cult with 3/7 chance, but chance it being CL is 1/7.
I can say, we pretty much screwed, because i don't know how to find him.

[Enchant]

Sorry how is this mylo?

Cult is capped at 3, you know that right?

We have 2 days, unless CL die.

[Enchant]

Hold up, how do you know the cult leader is a him unless you know who the cult leader is?@Enchant

English not my native language, probably expected.

[Enchant]

If Tracker saw any visit, it means he caught cult.

Just remember: i was not converted. If he visited me, it's roleblocker.

[Enchant]

Another PR+Check+Me = 3 people who can't be Cult, assuming check proved their innocence.

It means we have 1/5 chance to actually manage to kill CL and 1/4 to kill after. Still not in our favor.

[Enchant]

lol why i writed this.

"Who can't be Cult Leader" i mean.

[Enchant]

Fair.

Why choice Marky though?

[Enchant]

Same feeling here.

It's not like i am any better at reading mafia though.

[Enchant]

Flea + Marky + Osuka scumteam Osuka cult leader solve SUBMIT

Mate if I was scum with Osuka, we would deserve an oscar for our interactions D1

Eh.

Why you even value how your interaction with other people looks like?

[Enchant]

They didn't convert me, because they have no benefit from that.

[Enchant]

Are Dwlee99 really look like CL?

[Enchant]

There was a reason I wanted the straight answer, and that's because CC options are now HEAVILY limited and there's no wiggle room for later.

I genuinely think Major Minor is the wagon for today, and I'll be keeping an eye on Osuka because I have sus on that slot too.

Target crumb, ftr.

Could you point exactly where for idiots like me please?

[Enchant]

Alright.

Just in a case, Cult knew there's tracker and could do nothing. Especially assuming i am not converted. I think CL didn't act, but PR did.

[Enchant]

He COULD be CL. But this play is not what i expect from CL honestly. Or is it. Wine everywhere.

[Enchant]

No, just wondering.

If cult didn't convert me, then who?

[Enchant]

Could Cult do nothing if they knew setup?

[Enchant]

I just can't comprehend, why for this:

I mean if cult leader no actioned then maybe it's still Osuka

T3 voted him. Because CL could do nothing to not get caught.

[Enchant]

So then you need to disregard my claim, and vote Osuka.

If you believe my claim, Osuka is cult PR clear.
If you believe I'm culted, and by Osuka, you need to vote there.

I believe your claim.
Osuka is not clear. Simple because Cult could skip. How do i know that? I AM NOT CONVERTED WHILE I WAS OBVIOUS TARGET FOR THIS.

[Enchant]

No.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Raya

[Enchant]

I am not sure, how to act here.

Literally, you will interpret my words in mirror, because you already assume i am converted.

I am also not in mood for lying and trying to misdirect you all.

Idk, i just shut up. Just don't assume Osuka as innocent, because CL either didn't act or converted someone else (which is hardly makes sense).

[Enchant]

Not hammering yet (as Cult i would do it anyway, assuming T3 is not Cult).

[Enchant]

That was not hammer i think.

4 votes. 5 needed.

[Enchant]

8 players bro.

5 votes for elim.
T3 on E-1 right now. Check vote count.

[Enchant]

Yes.

My masterplan was to wait before Flea "Hammer", so i could say that was not.

... For this we both need to be converted with Flea.

[Enchant]

I would use cult chat instead. After that he would act more natural and gain townpoints for it.

Of course "I could, you could", this is not hammer, go think again.

[Enchant]

So Osuka clear, T3 I'm willing to biasclear based on reaction, Enchant is CL clear (with no claimed result I can remember, I might add).

Leaves Dwlee, Marky, Raya, and Umlaut.

I won't lie I skipped over the Marky Raya debate so I'll have to look there before coming to any more conclusions.

T3 whats your thinking on Umlaut currently?

I don't agree actually, i don't think T3 could just mistake he was hammered, either he is bad with attention or imitate it.


I don't want clear T3, i just laugh from your statement, which is literally impossible.

[Enchant]

Osuka also not clean, wtf

[Enchant]

Osuka also not clean, wtf

This should be a big flag as it implies a direct counterclaim to my clearing.

If Enchant has a guilty, I have a clear.
We then eliminate there, and then T3 either no actioned as cult or enchant is lying and is culted trying to drive the mislim, unless minion flip then we're back at square one.

I don't remember Enchant claiming a result either, despite claiming they have not been culted. I may be wrong, I'm going to go look.

WHAT THE FUCK YOU JUST WRITE.

ALREADY EXPLAINED SIMPLE TWO THINGS.

1. I AM NOT CONVERTED, WHILE I AM BLATANT TARGET FOR THAT.
2. CULT KNEW FULL SETUP AND KNEW THERE'S TRACKER AROUND.

WHY YOU EVEN WRITE "T3 EITHER NO ACTIONED AS CULT" IF YOU CHECKED OSUKA, NOT HIM.

[Enchant]

Alright, alright.

For first. I don't say Osuka is guilty. I say, he is not "Clear", or Confirmed Town, atleast in my eyes. Because Cult simple could not to act. Even if you say that's not effective.
For second, i don't need drive miselim on T3. I could just hammer T3 and be happy with -1 Day from town, if i am cult (what you would do, lynch me?).

[Enchant]

Idk if this was slip and T3 was person Flea tracked before get converted, which is somewhatpossible.

[Enchant]

6 days to go,

Osuka or Major minor

are the wagons. Pick one, and lets have it.

Both slots are low-content and evasive (to the point of offensively so in Osukas case).

I'll be keeping an eye whoever isn't eliminated of the two.

Enchant, I am disappointed in you. You knw you're getting culted tonight, right?

There was a reason I wanted the straight answer, and that's because CC options are now HEAVILY limited and there's no wiggle room for later.

I genuinely think Major Minor is the wagon for today, and

I'll be keeping an eye on Osuka

because I have sus on that slot too.

Little reminder.

I could quote any of my message where i accused/said anything and say this is crumb.

That's how bad your crumbs are.

[Enchant]

How Flea even know how many time exact player waste on reading role.

This is my crumb i use ability on Flea. Prove otherwise.

[Enchant]

About Major i need look closely, i missed whole thing

Just put it on accident. I could use it as tracked crumb as well.

[Enchant]

Cultedspec is pointless because of WIFOM but ekither Enchant or Umlaut was recruited in my mind.

How the fuck i could be convert if i didn't hammer you?

As convert i lose nothing from hammering townie.

[Enchant]

If they are both not CL, i will laugh.

[Enchant]

Why Raya not hammered still?
Cult have benefit from hammering townie, as it will drive game on next day.

Either i am somehow voting with cult, or Raya is someone who cult doesn't want to kill.

[Enchant]

Yes, still believe CL could do nothing. Otherwise, who he convert and why?

Either way, if CL didn't act, he probably wouldn't act next night, simple because he can't pierce my protection, and risking converting me with tracker around is... Eh. Not worth it?

[Enchant]

If i vote Dwlee99, you will dismantle this wagon as well?

Let's check out.

VOTE: Dwlee99

[Enchant]

Well, if Raya really CL, then cult masterfully abused "ENCHANT IS CULT AND VOTED FOR MISELIM" and i screwed town again, should do nothing but i can't watch this bullshitery.

Go wild, i don't care from this point. Anyway, more i will push, more likely you will ignore me.

[Enchant]

UNVOTE:

[Enchant]

Enchant, myself and Osuka are CL clear, leaving you and T3 as the cult in this case.

I can explain, why i can't be CL.


Why you and Osuka can't?

[Enchant]

Enchant, myself and Osuka are CL clear, leaving you and T3 as the cult in this case.

I can explain, why i can't be CL.


Why you and Osuka can't?

Well for one, I haven't been counter claimed and my pr claim matches yours....

Osuka went nowhere. I don't think cult plays to no recruit game here.

The odds are too against them

You could be CL who converted tracker and stoled his claim.
Osuka could do nothing. While it's unlikely, i see ways where cult do it.

[Enchant]

I know it's unlikely, but there's still exist chance it could happen. Don't drop your guard.

[Enchant]

Wut

[Enchant]

I believe your claim is truth and that you are not CL, my point that "I CAN'T BE CL AS WELL AS OSUKA" is actually wrong statement, because, well. You can be. Don't even say how unlikely this, i already know. As long as chance is more than 0, it possible.


In world, where i am converted, i would hammer first notCL person, confirming my cult status.
Because... Uh. If CL dies, i die next day with 100%?

You believe Raya is not CL, because i voted her. That's of course wrong, because why i would join wagon so early, instead of, you know, waiting for E-1 and instahammering her to death. I lose nothing from being silentive bastard as cult.

Flea, I hardly see your motivation in putting people at E-1, unless you really wondered, will i hammer or no or strongly consider T3 being CL.

[Enchant]

I just realised, i repeat same things whole game day.

Just in a case, i am fine with T3 elim, but I can't comprehend why you believe he is CL.

[Enchant]

I can't convince you, because you already assumed me as cult and will ignore all statements/use opposite logic in them. If not Raya and T3, then who you consider CL? Dwlee99? Really?

[Enchant]

Cult!me would push CL to give this impression.

[Enchant]

Enchant did not hammer T3. It might be smart of cult to not recruit enchant, because then if we don't hit cult leader today it's practically a free miselim for them.

I don't think T3 was ever at E-1? There was some confusion over how many votes were needed to hammer, which led to people thinking he was at one point when he was on 3 votes

He was. I even pointed it out.

[Enchant]

so ive been thinking ang heres a thought: to anyone who has more cult setup experience on MS, is it generally worth to get rid of a non CL cultist, or do we wanna try and find CL?

If we kill townie, either cult convert if didn't do it last night or remain with 3 people.
If we kill Cult PR/Recruit, cult will convert someone next night for almost sure.


Killing CL is our one option for win and we have 2 shots.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Raya

3 days bruh.

[Enchant]

I have nothing to say or ask, i am pretty fine with Raya elim

[Enchant]

Bruh.

I believe Raya is likely cult.

[Enchant]

Honestly.

I believe Flea is town. Therefory, it would be good to simple sheep him.
If he was converted, then he would trade claim with CL and claim VT. I think so atleast.

VOTE: Dwlee99

[Enchant]

What with Marky Mark?

[Enchant]

Flea's case is so bad that fae can't even defend it, why are you sheeping that?

I think cult put more effort in accusations. Especially when CL in danger and counterwagon needed.

[Enchant]

I acknowledge that, but it's impossible for me to know about it, before murder finally happen, and i am kinda bad at detecting. I depend on town with this.

Alright, so. Flea voted T3, and put him on E-1, fully believed it will be elumination, but actually no. Even if he knew about it, putting people at E-1 while there's Enchant around (he believed i am Cult at that moment) is death sentence for townperson.


In practice, either Flea is careless townie who didn't see it going, or cult who know i am not cult, ergo not gonna hammer (which is sick, because i hammer regardless of alignment if see point in that).
So, this is possible T3 could be our CL, while Flea is converted.

... Why T3 didn't trade claims with Flea then.

Listen. I don't know. Really. Even worse, my words will be mirrored, because of enchantiscultxconfirmed minds here. Why you don't persuade Flea instead of me? You looks like believe he is town as well, or i am wrong?

[Enchant]

How many time we actually have?

[Enchant]

Aye, i agree.

VOTE: Osuka

[Enchant]

Can't believe i was fooled like that.

[Enchant]

Atleast it save for assume Raya is cult and lynch her next finally, fine?

[Enchant]

It still could flip cult though.

So still watch, because CL will likely want to replace loss.

[Enchant]

I don't really believe cult would convert Osuka. Because he is... Uh. Osuka.

Could be Cult PR who didn't perform action, because rolecop is Trash. But Cult PR would just visit me to trick tracker like he is CL actually and get lynched. I would do that atleast in his place.

And... Well. CL. I somewhat don't believe this anymore, after Raya hammer.


Yea, i think it will flip town.

[Enchant]

If this is a cult flip, odds are I'll be culted to fill the gap because of the driving power I've had, in which case for town wincon you need to absolutely disregard me tomorrow no matter what I pull.

Gotta love these midgame alignment flips.

You will not be converted. Have fun.

[Enchant]

Because?

[Enchant]

Actually no, i hated him whole game, finally rejoice.

[Enchant]

WELCOME TO ELO (MOST LIKELY). NO ONE FUCKING VOTES.


I don't know who is CL. I don't think ever it's possible to deduce one for me.
Maybe kill Raya and hope for the best? She is cult almost certanly, especially considering how unwilling wagon was and how she hammered.

[Enchant]

Raya have 2 votes, which makes me paranoid.

Aren't cult would want to quickhammer this?

[Enchant]

P.S. It probably pointing Raya is CL.

[Enchant]

We lost this shit.

Flea was converted.

Congratulations to cult and all.

[Enchant]

Who was CL btw?

[Enchant]

You are? Bruh.

[Enchant]

Alright, let's now find person which we could blame for town lose.

And not me pls.

[Enchant]

I don't think it really mattered, because we was wrong for certain.

[Enchant]

... Well.

I suppose i can still try to catch convert?

[Enchant]

Oh nvm.

[Enchant]

Marky Mark/Flea/Enchant cult win woooooooo


Aren't Raya should win as well?

[Enchant]

Bitter win honestly. I sucked so hard.

[Enchant]

No, literally.

My innability to protect self as town led to this. We had more chances if i didn't claim. While it confirmed i can't be CL, this information didn't help really much.