Open 823 - To Tell The Truth | Game Over

[HockeyFan]

Me first!!

VOTE: Not_mafia

This is a lie since Marshu was the first poster in this

itch ant must vest at in last long art top out wont next invest earth. so how is every one just dropping my anchor before game starts

NOT THIS AGAIN

VOTE: Zyla

Each day (after d1) we get 2 names and alignments. 1 of them is correct, the other is random.

No clue what happened to my post earlier.

So I guess that we wouldn't know which one is true and which one is false.

Correct which is why we shouldnt hold too much stock into the tell.

[HockeyFan]

no? If we get Player X and Player Y. and Player x's role is innocent, and they get a true result, they will be annouced as town. However, lets say we roll a 6 on the 1VX(number of mafia), Players Y's role will be announced as town even if they are mafia so we do we really have confirms? I could just be stupid

[HockeyFan]

no? If we get Player X and Player Y. and Player x's role is innocent, and they get a true result, they will be annouced as town. However, lets say we roll a 6 on the 1VX(number of mafia), Players Y's role will be announced as town even if they are mafia so we do we really have confirms? I could just be stupid

Wont X elimination confirms that Y result was untrue.

Elimination does reveal their rule faction isn't it?

uhh not sure

@Mod can you confirm this?

[HockeyFan]

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

smh

no? If we get Player X and Player Y. and Player x's role is innocent, and they get a true result, they will be annouced as town. However, lets say we roll a 6 on the 1VX(number of mafia), Players Y's role will be announced as town even if they are mafia so we do we really have confirms? I could just be stupid

Wont X elimination confirms that Y result was untrue.

Elimination does reveal their rule faction isn't it?

If X gets eliminated, it confirms that X's result was true, it does *not* confirm that Y's result was false.
Since "X is innocent" is true, that means that "X is innocent or ..." is true regardless of what comes after the or

My only question is what happens if both results are false

Dont think that can be possible. At least 1 persons role is true result righ?

[HockeyFan]

N_M is town

[HockeyFan]

T3 is scum

I was going to say this but he has to roll town in at least one game right? :^). or idk he could be scum for voting N_M the locktowned

[HockeyFan]

T3 is scum

Kill the cyrus
actually don't because you're easy to read

wtf???

This is such a lie, is this dude your scum partner?

[HockeyFan]

no? If we get Player X and Player Y. and Player x's role is innocent, and they get a true result, they will be annouced as town. However, lets say we roll a 6 on the 1VX(number of mafia), Players Y's role will be announced as town even if they are mafia so we do we really have confirms? I could just be stupid

Wont X elimination confirms that Y result was untrue.

Elimination does reveal their rule faction isn't it?

If X gets eliminated, it confirms that X's result was true, it does *not* confirm that Y's result was false.
Since "X is innocent" is true, that means that "X is innocent or ..." is true regardless of what comes after the or

My only question is what happens if both results are false

We are complicating it. It is simple

D1 reveals the identity of two players - One of it is True and the other is false. Eliminate one and the other gets confirmed.

N_M is town

Too soon to say!

T3 is scum

Way too soon to speculate!

T3 is scum

I was going to say this but he has to roll town in at least one game right? :^). or idk he could be scum for voting N_M the locktowned

The possibility of a rolling town is more than rolling scum.

my rat died the other week.

What? Is there context to this?

maybe shouldn't spam submit, no wonder it was lagging

Okay.

VOTE: goals

We got a cow for this, no need of a goat.

This whole post is ew imo. Its a bunch of discrediting of reads because "iTs tOO eArLy"

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: arcangel

Wait wtf cyrus might be town?

VOTE: goates

T3 what are you doing and why are you like this. I dont understand the pattern of your votes

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: arcangel

Wait wtf cyrus might be town?

What about this vote makes him towny?

It was more of the idea in my head that "hey, cyrus also sees angel's latest post as scummy"(same thought process as me), he might be town!. Ofc its too early to lock him in as hard town but i think he can be a good TL to start off with

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: arcangel

Wait wtf cyrus might be town?

What about this vote makes him towny?

It was more of the idea in my head that "hey, cyrus also sees angel's latest post as scummy"(same thought process as me), he might be town!. Ofc its too early to lock him in as hard town but i think he can be a good TL to start off with

I think that's called a mind meld.do you also feel t3 is bad?

T3 is doing ....... t3 things so everything hes doing is NAI as of now. I still dont understand the vote swapping, but again its t3 and no one ever understands him

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: arcangel

Wait wtf cyrus might be town?

VOTE: goates

T3 what are you doing and why are you like this. I dont understand the pattern of your votes

I know exactly what alignment cyrus is but we don't want to do anything with him yet.

Mate what, you 2 scum partners?

so i think arc and t3 are scum together.

I have a better theory. I think you and hockey are scum together!

VOTE: arcangel

Wait wtf cyrus might be town?

What about this vote makes him towny?

It was more of the idea in my head that "hey, cyrus also sees angel's latest post as scummy"(same thought process as me), he might be town!. Ofc its too early to lock him in as hard town but i think he can be a good TL to start off with

So what part of what i said was scummy?.

I said earlier that post was mainly trying to discredit's peoples early reads(such as T3 scum, N_M town e.tc)

[HockeyFan]

Won't say.

VOTE: T3

This 'I have a read but I won't tell you it yet' seems anti-town. Seems like keeping it unspoken means you can wait to see whether others lean cyrus:town or cyrus:scum so you can then say that's what your read was too.

It's protown.

VOTE: T3

[HockeyFan]

lol
cyrus is obvscum by meta
he usually townreads his partners for bad reasons early on
so I was waiting for him to out his partners

own cyrus does not give scumreads, scumleans, null, leantown, etc. Scum cyrus does. Scum cyrus is much more logical but town cyrus does wack stuff

This rmeta ead may be true but I think you're overblowing it cuz you got voted by cyrus and are not being Genuine enough imo

[HockeyFan]

No I'm not.
Anyways Arc locktown, cyrus is lockscum.
I have a near perfect track record of reading cyrus. Also, town cyrus usually posts longer posts.

What the fuck, how do u lock town Arc, WHY ARE THEY TOWN??

[HockeyFan]

k idc what anyone says, N_M is town here

[HockeyFan]

N_M, why are u doing this to me smfh, pls dont claim scum when I tr u

[HockeyFan]

No I'm not.
Anyways Arc locktown, cyrus is lockscum.
I have a near perfect track record of reading cyrus. Also, town cyrus usually posts longer posts.

What the fuck, how do u lock town Arc, WHY ARE THEY TOWN??

cyrus is scumreading her.

bruh, seems like a lame reason to TR someone

Goats is town based on page 4

[HockeyFan]

No I'm not.
Anyways Arc locktown, cyrus is lockscum.
I have a near perfect track record of reading cyrus. Also, town cyrus usually posts longer posts.

What the fuck, how do u lock town Arc, WHY ARE THEY TOWN??

cyrus is scumreading her.

bruh, seems like a lame reason to TR someone

Goats is town based on page 4

we have literally zero posts on page 4 nice lie

The posts below seem like attempting to solve the game, and tryign to progress the game through reads

But actually though, why's that

Cyrus NM and some other guy are the wolves I forgot one of their names

imaginality

I town read hockey fan the most and t3 next most, that other person with the colorful profile picture is alright too

[HockeyFan]

wait i messed up formatting

[HockeyFan]

irt hockey I town read very strongly pretty immediately for trying to solve NM and coming off with a town read, could be wrong but that's why. One of my hydra partners also liked your Arc read (though I'm not sure myself) and your posts have generally been decent.

This is to say lettuce town team

what do you think of Cyrus, imaginality, and t3

I havent able to get a read on imagnailty, will try to re read them when i get home, but atm I think cyrus/t3 are different alligments, could be wrong about this tho

[HockeyFan]

T3 actually doing town things? Holy shit what a surprise, is this dude actually town for once. Also re; the imaginilty scumcase, Im gonna need a bit more time to make a read on them. I feel like scum would be incentivized to hard defned thier maf partners and no one is doing so...?(except maybe cyrus)

[HockeyFan]

Meg town I think.

Wait, I just saw this, can you elaborate k ty

[HockeyFan]

Okay Cyrus is town, Meg is mafia with Arc and someone idk


UNVOTE:

[HockeyFan]

goats
@Megazumarill
@imaginality
@HockeyFan

Im not gonna really do this even

if

you're town because you didnt look town at all. I probs look more into zyla, but I think the other people who voted you could be town, also cryus why did u self hammer lol

[HockeyFan]

so one of these is true right? Im willing to put my money on the fact that Nm's flip is /true/, and the other flip shouldnt really mean anything to anyone, just focus on the one flip which u think is right and locktown that person

[HockeyFan]

Zyla is probs town, goats is most likely town, N_m is town, and we probs go from there yeah?(I do have a slight TL on t3 fwiw)

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: ArcAngel

I dont have enough of a read on Meg just yet, but Im pretty sure Arc is scum here disregarding the flips above

[HockeyFan]

Meg town I think.

Meg, thoughts on cyrus?

Good analysis of imaginality and I don't think they are s/s.

I would like thoughts on these posts, as they partain to T3's alignment, and his partner equity (high or low) with Meg

WHAT

YOUR ATTEMPTED BUSSING FAILED? OH NO!!

[HockeyFan]

HockeyFan can you go over a readlist with your reasonings for your reads, I'm seeing a lot of strong reads and I don't really see where they are coming from.

Goats- Town. Thier progression of reads and thier actual reads on page 5. Since then they've been pretty towny

T3- They're hard to read, but I think they've done towny things, and thier push on cyrus alligned with mine so I think they're town

N_M- gut townread tbh

Arc Angel- Her first post was very scummy imo, and since then she ahsnt done anything towny

Imaginality- Null, once they actually started providing content, I think they were towny but it can come in thier wolf range

Zyla- Nul leaning town? Cant really explain this one

Meg- Null, dont really have a read on you

Also, regarding 256, there were 5 people on the vote.

Goats(who i trd), t3(who i trd), Arc(who i srd at the time), cyrus and zyla(someone i didnt really have a read on), so thats why i said what i said

[HockeyFan]

goats
@Megazumarill
@imaginality
@HockeyFan

Im not gonna really do this even

if

you're town because you didnt look town at all. I probs look more into zyla, but

I think the other people who voted you could be town

, also cryus why did u self hammer lol

HockeyFan, why did you say you'd look into Zyla - what makes Zyla less likely to be town than the others on the cyrus wagon?

HockeyFan can you go over a readlist with your reasonings for your reads, I'm seeing a lot of strong reads and I don't really see where they are coming from.

Also, regarding 256, there were 5 people on the vote.

Goats(who i trd), t3(who i trd),

Arc(who i srd at the time)

, cyrus and zyla(someone i didnt really have a read on), so thats why i said what i said

Explain how these can both be true, because it looks like an obvious contradiction to me.

Yes because I said T3/Goats are town. Also at the time of the cyrus wagon, it was knowledge that I sr'd Arc right?

[HockeyFan]

lol arc
VOTE: arc
Either you and nm are both town or both scum, you do realize that.

what is this train of logic? wdym they both

have

to be town. dotn think this is true?

[HockeyFan]

uhh what townslip much? Knowing t3 tho, that was 100% a fake townslip

[HockeyFan]

Meg, trust me, N_M is town

[HockeyFan]

Anyone want to join me on a Zyla wagon? Or at least give their views on my Zyla case?

Literally everyone has posted since then and no one's directly commented on it.

I skimmed over the Zyla case and while it may hold some merit, Im waiting for Zyla to comment on it. The only thing I dont get from that post is how you find 59 -> 62 scummy

[HockeyFan]

Then we should eliminate the opportunist scum Hockey!

What's your reason for calling Hockey opportunist?

because of these!!

Spoiler:

no? If we get Player X and Player Y. and Player x's role is innocent, and they get a true result, they will be annouced as town. However, lets say we roll a 6 on the 1VX(number of mafia), Players Y's role will be announced as town even if they are mafia so we do we really have confirms? I could just be stupid

Wont X elimination confirms that Y result was untrue.

Elimination does reveal their rule faction isn't it?

If X gets eliminated, it confirms that X's result was true, it does *not* confirm that Y's result was false.
Since "X is innocent" is true, that means that "X is innocent or ..." is true regardless of what comes after the or

My only question is what happens if both results are false

We are complicating it. It is simple

D1 reveals the identity of two players - One of it is True and the other is false. Eliminate one and the other gets confirmed.

N_M is town

Too soon to say!

T3 is scum

Way too soon to speculate!

T3 is scum

I was going to say this but he has to roll town in at least one game right? :^). or idk he could be scum for voting N_M the locktowned

The possibility of a rolling town is more than rolling scum.

my rat died the other week.

What? Is there context to this?

maybe shouldn't spam submit, no wonder it was lagging

Okay.

VOTE: goals

We got a cow for this, no need of a goat.

This whole post is ew imo. Its a bunch of discrediting of reads because "iTs tOO eArLy"

VOTE: arcangel

Wait wtf cyrus might be town?

VOTE: goates

T3 what are you doing and why are you like this. I dont understand the pattern of your votes

VOTE: arcangel

Wait wtf cyrus might be town?

What about this vote makes him towny?

It was more of the idea in my head that "hey, cyrus also sees angel's latest post as scummy"(same thought process as me), he might be town!. Ofc its too early to lock him in as hard town but i think he can be a good TL to start off with

dont see how any of these quotes are opportunist but ok?

First post- You basically said "its too soon to say" on both of the 2 real/gut reads(discrediting these reads)

Second Post- HOW IS THAT OPPURTUNIST LOL? I called cyrus town for voting my sus(which is normal). I also asked t3 wtf he was doing voting wise cuz he was jumping too much

Third Post- I explained /why/ I thought cyrus was town.

Again, I dont see how any of these posts can be classified as opportunist

[HockeyFan]

the posts i quoted were your initial reads which didn't have basis or reasons to suspect at all.

I am calling you an opportunist that you're basing on a basis which had none in it.

Nor did you have a basis to denounce/discredit these reads?

[HockeyFan]

Meg/Arc seems like way too easy of a solve lol but idrk who else can be mafia? maybe t3? I was mainly tring him based on gut/vibes not on his actual content

[HockeyFan]

t3, whats your gun to head solve

[HockeyFan]

t3, whats your gun to head solve

Arc Zyla Imaginality?

uhhh what? Lol maybe T3 is mafia?

[HockeyFan]

lol, I mean I tr you and I dont tr meg, so I would like to, but I still want to figure out Arc's alligment since the reads comes a bit from conf bias

[HockeyFan]

Okay, im voting meg, everyone here doesnt deserve to get limmed rn

VOTE: MEG

[HockeyFan]

Meg will flake out I think just wait for the replacement.

That is a ....terrible reason to not vote someone lol

Ugh, now I'm second guessing myself. Zyla's latest reply to me seems reasonable. But then again she seems like someone who can make good posts and wouldn't panic under pressure.

I can see {Zyla, T3, Meg} as a possibility if Zyla is scum. Or {Zyla, Hockey, Meg} with the two of them deciding to both bus Meg now? I feel like with scum in the lead on the eliminations we have to look out for them bussing for cred.

{T3, Arc,?} is also looking plausible with how Arc subtly defends T3 D1 and their confusion D2 about the results which could be faked (as someone mentioned).

If Meg is town I think Hockey's vote here looks a little opportunist (Arc would you agree? You called hockey opportunist earlier, do you think the vote here is aaso?)
sInce it comes after goats and Zyla expressed suspicion of Meg without voting him (so Hockey already knew there's some buy in for his vote).

I feel like scum targeted NM just so we'd be stuck with him since he's deadweight. Would love to be proven wrong.

Ok in 263, I had a TR on almost everyone except Arc,Zyla,Meg. Zyla became towny and Meg didnt become towny therefore I voted Meg. Yes you are correct that I partially voted meg because other people did but thats the only to form a wagon so meg will hopefully give more thoughts on the game

[HockeyFan]

ok well meg replaced out, sooo

VOTE: ArcAngel

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: HockeyFan

still being opportunist!!! SCUM!!

voting your sr's =/= being oppurtunist. Your recent posts make you more scum in my mind

Arc actually seems towny? I'm having trouble forming reads.

t3/arc gg

[HockeyFan]

OPPORTUNISM IS NOT A SCUMTELL

THEN WHY DO YOU THINK ARC IS TOWNY FOR PUSHING ME FOR "BEING OPPURUNIST"

[HockeyFan]

OPPORTUNISM IS NOT A SCUMTELL

THEN WHY DO YOU THINK ARC IS TOWNY FOR PUSHING ME FOR "BEING OPPURUNIST"

MY EEEEAAAARRRRRRRSSSSS
OKSO
THIS IS THE BORDERLINE BUT NOT IRRATIONAL TUNNEL
THAT
USUALY
COMES
FROM
TOWN

bruh

maybe the t3/arc pair is valid

[HockeyFan]

goats is town so thats cool

[HockeyFan]

So the scum team is - hockey and goats after all..

Imaginality is town btw!

Actually scratch that... Goats probably being a goat. Hockey is sure scum and maybe Mega is his partner

So whos the oppursuntisc one? What made you drop your SR on goats so quickly. Also, yes, im paired with meg because I pushed them and wanted them to get limmed. So paired!! like fr, how are we paired?

all you do is omgus

btw OMGUS is the biggest town tell. Scum will be careful with their votes but town votes everyone because they don't know who the scum is.

[HockeyFan]

Anyone else feels that MegA was replaced because he couldn't handle the scum pressure?

ok well meg replaced out, sooo

VOTE: ArcAngel

That is a total change of attitude, what made you so easily change from that question, to then voting for Arc?

I'm trying my best to read back over the game in the time that we have, those were the 2 that I saw coming into this thread, there will be more when I have read over.

My vote was to put pressure on Mwg and force them to speak, but since they replaced out, I moved my vote. I wasnt nesccearily hard sring them unlike Arc, so i unvoted so the replacement can either scumtell or towntell. Imo it was better to vote someone that would actually be replaced.

Also idk why so many people are pairing me with Arc. This just may be personal bias but why would my first push be on my scum partner. idt i would tunnel so hard.

[HockeyFan]

Anyone else feels that MegA was replaced because he couldn't handle the scum pressure?

ok well meg replaced out, sooo

VOTE: ArcAngel

That is a total change of attitude, what made you so easily change from that question, to then voting for Arc?

I'm trying my best to read back over the game in the time that we have, those were the 2 that I saw coming into this thread, there will be more when I have read over.

My vote was to put pressure on Mwg and force them to speak, but since they replaced out, I moved my vote. I wasnt nesccearily hard sring them unlike Arc, so i unvoted so the replacement can either scumtell or towntell. Imo it was better to vote someone that would actually be replaced.

Also idk why so many people are pairing me with Arc. This just may be personal bias but why would my first push be on my scum partner. idt i would tunnel so hard.

You can tunnel hard on a scum partner to create distance.

Sure, you can think that, Im not distancing, im just condemming mafia

[HockeyFan]

why do we not have a hammer yet literally no one of posting

I was waiting for Kop to post, probably others are too?

That is correct for me

-Snip-

ok well meg replaced out, sooo

VOTE: ArcAngel

That is a total change of attitude, what made you so easily change from that question, to then voting for Arc?

Wait, what change of attitude, and what question? Was there a reason you quoted two different players?

That is a total change of attitude, what made you so easily change from that question, to then voting for Arc?

My vote was to put pressure on Mwg and force them to speak, but since they replaced out, I moved my vote. I wasnt nesccearily hard sring them unlike Arc, so i unvoted so the replacement can either scumtell or towntell. Imo it was better to vote someone that would actually be replaced.

This made me go back and look at your vote of Meg, and you specifically said that no one else deserved to be eliminated; if you're still hard scumreading Arc, why do they not deserve a vote?

sorry what? When did i say no one deserved to be eliminated. And yes I am sring Arc, but as you know, there are OTHER mafia in this game. At the time of the meg vote, i didnt have a confident read on them, so I wanted to see if they would scumtell or towntell

[HockeyFan]

Anyone else feels that MegA was replaced because he couldn't handle the scum pressure?

ok well meg replaced out, sooo

VOTE: ArcAngel

That is a total change of attitude, what made you so easily change from that question, to then voting for Arc?

I'm trying my best to read back over the game in the time that we have, those were the 2 that I saw coming into this thread, there will be more when I have read over.

My vote was to put pressure on Mwg and force them to speak, but since they replaced out, I moved my vote. I wasnt nesccearily hard sring them unlike Arc, so i unvoted so the replacement can either scumtell or towntell. Imo it was better to vote someone that would actually be replaced.

Also idk why so many people are pairing me with Arc. This just may be personal bias but why would my first push be on my scum partner. idt i would tunnel so hard.

Wait, why would it be better to vote for someone that would actually be replaced? Surely that's a pretty pointless vote, considering the person is replacing out and wouldn't care about your vote? I can understand voting for people that aren't contributing, or actively lurking, to try and get them to engage, but someone replacing out is not going to care one ounce that you've voted for them.

why do we not have a hammer yet literally no one of posting

I was waiting for Kop to post, probably others are too?

That is correct for me

-Snip-

ok well meg replaced out, sooo

VOTE: ArcAngel

That is a total change of attitude, what made you so easily change from that question, to then voting for Arc?

Wait, what change of attitude, and what question? Was there a reason you quoted two different players?

That is a total change of attitude, what made you so easily change from that question, to then voting for Arc?

My vote was to put pressure on Mwg and force them to speak, but since they replaced out, I moved my vote. I wasnt nesccearily hard sring them unlike Arc, so i unvoted so the replacement can either scumtell or towntell. Imo it was better to vote someone that would actually be replaced.

This made me go back and look at your vote of Meg, and you specifically said that no one else deserved to be eliminated; if you're still hard scumreading Arc, why do they not deserve a vote?

sorry what? When did i say no one deserved to be eliminated. And yes I am sring Arc, but as you know, there are OTHER mafia in this game. At the time of the meg vote, i didnt have a confident read on them, so I wanted to see if they would scumtell or towntell

I think that is aimed at this post quoted below, as I read it as the same.

Okay, im voting meg, everyone here doesnt deserve to get limmed rn

VOTE: MEG

1. "Wait, why would it be better to vote for someone that would actually be replaced? Surely that's a pretty pointless vote, considering the person is replacing out and wouldn't care about your vote? I can understand voting for people that aren't contributing, or actively lurking, to try and get them to engage, but someone replacing out is not going to care one ounce that you've voted for them." -

????. I did not know Meg would replace out lol? I voted them for not contiruvtuing much, and wanted to hear more from them.

About the part where I said "everyone deseveres to be condemmed, yes I will admit it was a mistake, but It was more so i could get a good read on Meg and put real pressure on that slot

VOTE: hockey
We're not limming Kop.

We're not condemming me either

sigh

is the t3/arc pair actually a thing

[HockeyFan]

sigh is the t3/arc pair actually a thing

Exactly these kinds of things that make you look even more scummy!!!

lmao

[HockeyFan]

I do kind of agree with T3 here, so far Kop seems to be trying to sort, and Hockey seems to barely care about anything other pushing Arc at this point
So between the two of you
VOTE: Hockey

why should I care about pushing other people? I TR goats, TR imainglty slightly, TR you. Its POE lol. T3 has dropped in my reads for weirdly defending Arc, so it could be t3/Arc/kop, but I dont have a good read on Kop rn. N_M is town because I think Arc is scum and they cant be scum together

[HockeyFan]

goats, vote Arc with me

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: Hockey

Is the whole scum team + Zyla voting me rn? sadge

That's where I'm at at the minute. Hockey has been in this tunnel for pretty much majority of the game, and wanted to solve Arcs alignment, but hasn't really presented a strong case, or any open discussion with Arc to try and sort his read out. I feel that to try sort someones alignment out, or to get a read, you present your case to why you feel they are scum, and allow them to answer, and I haven't really seen that strong case other than Hockey feels they are condemned.

Hockey states that he has town reads on others, but in general those are easily fabricated and can ease peoples minds that he is trying to actively solve the game, but your just pushing your scum read to others without giving us any reason to follow. Why should we vote for Arc?

In my mind, I feel it's either Arc or Hockey at this point.

Okay, so I sr'd Arc for one of thier first posts of the game(50). Since then, they have not done anything towny, omgussed people that sr'd them and not make any genuine pushes. Posts like 205,285,354,336 are some posts i just hate. Pairing me with the person i was pushing, calling me OPPURTUNSITC for pushing her, its all scumplay imo. Also, why are you so

sure

its one of me/arc? You clearly sr me so what is the point of sheeping my sus?

[HockeyFan]

smh N_M