Open 833: Twin Trap [Postgame]

[Noraa]

Hi

[Noraa]

Ok

[Noraa]

That's a good point but now I'm worried. what if it's because Norwee and Vulture cant get on at the same time to coordinate it?
Gahh
UNVOTE:
I think it's Vulture/Norwee. I could be wrong and it's Vulture/Fenny but Vulture/Norwee just feels right.

[Noraa]

I dont know if ur town either but I sure as hell hope you are because norwee is never gonna forgive me if i am the reason for his mislim here AND it loses town the game. I dont wanna think about it.

[Noraa]

It is kinda strange. I'm guessing it has to do with the inactivity. It's hard to know if something is an actual guilty. In a normal game, we would know by now/the day might just be over/game might be over. who knows. Idk how to stress it enough but {Vulture, Noraa} has scum so we need to vote within that today. I thought I'd unvoted Fenny earlier but I guess I forgot.

[Noraa]

Bus ur buddy Vulture/Vote scum Vulture. Easy.

[Noraa]

No you haven't.

[Noraa]

since we're talking meta, my town game is direct. Final fantasy was an attempt to replicate that as scum and it looks nothing like what's happening here. The tone is entirely different. I was extremely tense and would not directly engage anyone for long periods of time (there were some exceptions but that was also a large theme). Compared to that, I have directly engaged almost everyone here and directly drawn attention to myself multiple times. Also we can't compare that game with this one anyways since if I'm scum here, my scum buddy is doing fine whereas in Final Fantasy all my scum buddies decided to just go openwolf on day 1 and just died elim after elim. My hand was forced into defending them every day because I can't win a game solo wolf early in the game. I wouldn't say trying to read me off a singular past game is a good idea in the first place, but either way Final Fantasy is very different from here so if you wanted to read like that, I am like the most obvious town here based off the differences between that game and this game.

[Noraa]

Noraa what do you think i should do here.

Vote vulture or talk to me about why you SR me.

[Noraa]

Man if TA is scum here, jesus christ.

[Noraa]

It's just Fenny/Vulture unless Norwee hammers me here. If TA is scum, we lost the game a long time ago.

[Noraa]

I die we lose the game
Vulture dies I die overnight

Scum team Vulture/Fenny.

[Noraa]

Tomorrow Tamara on the table probably bc of scum. Good luck or good game. This game is solved.

[Noraa]

Norwee conftown right now. He would've hammered if scum

[Noraa]

Tamara was conftown earlier because she didn't hammer so thats confirmed {fenny/Vulture} scum team. It doesn't make sense to not hammer despite being in a good position. tamara isn't pooky.

[Noraa]

If either Norwee or Tamara thinks I can be scum with the other, town loses the game. That's what the gambit was. And it is bad play but if they didn't do this, there is no way today wasn't a Fenny elim.

[Noraa]

That's such big brain play. Either way I believe in my obvtowning abilities.

[Noraa]

Why wouldn't I just bus. Zzz.

Whoever's the town btwn Norwee and Tamora, nice throw.

You cant win without Fenny :/

[Noraa]

You never win in final three unless you kill Tamara overnight and convince Norwee. Norwee is a wild card this game. His read on me has shifted a couple times and it would be horrible to bet a scum game on reads like that.

[Noraa]

You haven't done anything but out your scum team and bet on town hammering me thinking that play cant come from scum

[Noraa]

obvscum is still scum

[Noraa]

Nah you know I obvtown in elo. You need play that looks like it cant come from scum and that's exactly what you're doing. High risk high reward play to bring home the win. That's exactly the game you play

[Noraa]

Im scum for an accidental hammer? your reasons just keep getting worse and worse

[Noraa]

I think arguably your reaction/treatment of me when you figured out who I was signals that you were afraid of me.

(This alt is like, all but outed anyways, so: hi, I'm Ydrasse.)

Lmao what? I'm not afraid of you. I just pocketed you hard in my last scum game.

[Noraa]

I do think it's a little funny though because throughout all of this, you're still slipping a little bit the mindset that you can never die at night, even when you're positing me as scum. Because I can kill you if I'm scum, yeah? And you're not even considering that. There's no scenario that you've thought about that has you as a nightkill which is like... hmmm.

What? I've said that I DIE at night like three different times lmao

[Noraa]

I die we lose the game
Vulture dies I die overnight

Scum team Vulture/Fenny.

[Noraa]

Also I have been asking Tamara for her vote whereas you've been pressuring her into voting with you saying that the game is lost when she's literally explicitly said she wasn't decided like lol one comes from a town mindset while the other very clearly doesn't. Psychological tricks and pressure are scum tools.

[Noraa]

ope, you're not suggesting the world where I nightkill you if StD (my theoretical partner) is bussed today, if you're so good at obvtowning. Why not?

Its pretty clear what the quote is saying. Dont pretend you dont get it...

[Noraa]

Also, regarding the accidental hammer:

1) You pushed Dorsey on some pretty bad reasons.
2) You hammered; I'm asserting that you knew about it and tried to play it off.

Not really a bad reason, honestly, to call someone scum.

Lmao. BS. I never draw attention to myself as scum. This point is so dumb.
As scum, before I do anything, I read completely up unless i say i didn't read up but most times I've caught up anyways. So like scum me just decides to lolhammer town and play it off as an accident. lolololololol yeah it's off those skills that I got 6 mislims as solo scum in death curse. yeah ok.

[Noraa]

Vote Count 3.04

Noraa (2):	Vulture, Save The Dragons
Vulture (1):	NorwegianboyEE, Noraa
Not Voting (2):	Tamora's Angel

With 5 alive, it's 3 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 3 is November 9 at 12:00 AM EST. Deadline timer:

(expired on 2021-11-09 00:00:00)

VOTE: Vulture Fixing up this VC for you

[Noraa]

Also I have been asking Tamara for her vote whereas you've been pressuring her into voting with you saying that the game is lost when she's literally explicitly said she wasn't decided like lol one comes from a town mindset while the other very clearly doesn't. Psychological tricks and pressure are scum tools.

...yes, you were desperate to get her to vote so I would die. You were pocketing her beforehand talking about the psychology of how a PR and VT would think, lmao.

You're accusing me of doing the same thing you did.

pfft tamaras play reminded me of town you's tone so this is hilarious.

[Noraa]

ope, you're not suggesting the world where I nightkill you if StD (my theoretical partner) is bussed today, if you're so good at obvtowning. Why not?

Its pretty clear what the quote is saying. Dont pretend you dont get it...

Nope, you don't get it:

Why are you assuming that I wouldn't nightkill you for some reason if StD dies in the day, if I'm teamed with StD? Where is that mentality, or worry?

You think your scum buddy is gonna die today lol? You're TMIing as you speak. Why the fuck do you even think that's a possibility right now?

[Noraa]

tw: emetophobia, etc etc

Spoiler:

Well, now I'm throwing up, so I'm gonna step away from this game. GL to all who read, vote whatever, do whatever, etc etc.

I hope you feel better soon <3 Also I'm so frustrated even though I know you're scum gahh.

[Noraa]

Given Ydra explicitly said that you were SRing me a while ago, I think it's possible that they thought you'd just hammer.

[Noraa]

Also, regarding the accidental hammer:

1) You pushed Dorsey on some pretty bad reasons.
2) You hammered; I'm asserting that you knew about it and tried to play it off.

Not really a bad reason, honestly, to call someone scum.

Not a bad reason, no.
Which explains why they were the likely designated mislim for today.

Both you and Tamara were pretty consensus TRs throughout the game so it makes sense for me to be a mislim because I'm the only person who could possibly be elimmed today over Fenny. There are no other options if they dont want two days of elo.

[Noraa]

Compared to my scum game, absolutely not. My scum game is packed, absolutely filled to the brim with AtE. This aint it.

[Noraa]

What about?

[Noraa]

I'm honestly really burnt out right now. Give me specific questions.

[Noraa]

Why did your read on Vulture change?

When they voted me and I wasn't hammered, I knew they were scum. If that's not what you're asking, their tone sounds similar regardless of alignment. And I only read tone typically. Like Ydra sounds like very towny as scum but honestly more scummy as town. But here I couldn't really tell if they were trying to make me look like scum or just town testing me. Town throw in little tricks but I didn't feel that there was some sort of catch at the end so I just thought it was a set up and very shady. That was the first thing that brought up a SR. After that, I was pretty skeptical about their insistence that redtea was scum. It definitely felt fake because they were pushing it as much as me but didn't have any reasons. The dodgy vibe I was getting around the two made me think one of them had to be scum because that feeling most of the times just means someone is scum there. But both scum always feels more natural so one town one scum was the conclusion. Because Redtea basically didn't have reads and was just aimlessly pushing random people, I thought Redtea was the scum of the two. I'd been pushing that {Ydra, Redtea} had scum for a long time at that point. When I started TRing redtea was when I really started having issues on Vulture but that I kept flipping back and froth because I just didn't know.

I've misread Ydrasse in basically every game I've had with her. For some reason I just cant read her even on an alt. Like when I'm on an alt I'm entirely different but for some reason no matter what I just cant come to a certain conclusion. Now I'm just intensely paranoid of getting pocketed by her but also scared of tunneling her so i just flip between the two because I dont know what else to do. Idk I hope this was helpful. I don't really understand her as a player.

This is my town game. I have been such a paranoid asshole this whole game. If this game had like 2 more game days, I'd be blazingly obvtown in an elo situation like this but right now im not but this is my town game. Like the lolhammer simply doesn't happen from scum me. I get that this was a while ago. I get that it's scummy but it's not scummy for me and it's me that we're talking about.

[Noraa]

It straight up IS Fenny and Ydra. And it is impossible something funky is going on.

[Noraa]

What about Noraa vulture as a team?

Ok technically speaking it is *possible* mech wise but it isn't because I'm town.

[Noraa]

Actually I wish you didn't say that. If you hadn't I definitely would've been the nk if Ydra was elimmed. damn

[Noraa]

Why?

[Noraa]

You actually think this play comes from scum me and that Ydra is town here???????????

[Noraa]

Also can you not make ur decision when I cant be online because I have a concert tonight and lots of procrastinated homework. The scum team is literally Ydra/Fenny and I don't understand why the fuck there is a sudden change of heart here where that actually matters and loses us the game. Ask for a deadline extension I dont fucking know but dont hammer me you lose town the game by doing that when all Ydra has done is say the game is lost very early to get this thought into your head that you were wrong all along. And Fenny being open to all possibilities even when they are clearly impossible if he's town. Like I don't understand why you think Norwee, who you TRed the whole game and myself, who you were certain was town are scum over a duo like that. Obvious scum is still scum is what Pooky bear bear would say if he were here.

[Noraa]

I dont believe vulture hasn't read up. but I mean vulture you're about to win the game either way.

[Noraa]

GG