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I demand that A50 cop check himself. I’ve gotten a mislim on a cop cleared A50 while the cop was still alive. But I’ve never gotten a mislim on A50 while he was a cop that was cleared and also an IC. Winning the game is nowhere near as important."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Not really. All you have to do is wait for me to sort him and then sheep. It’s pretty easy. I’m sure I’ll have a read on A50 sometime before D3.In post 71, Auro wrote:Kinda bummed you're IC A50, would've been fun sorting you."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Going on 54 years now, we’re doubtful it’ll ever happen.In post 59, Almost50 wrote:You're approaching LAL territory with this statement. I am the top poster of this game as we speak, and I have yet to say one meaningful word."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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It’s a little premature to be townreading me. We should wait until day 3 or four to fakeclaiming masons.In post 58, Almost50 wrote:So far I have but only one TR, and it's not even that strong, so I'll let you all play it out a little and see where it gets us"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I’m reading backwards. I’ve literally just read your post and found the case to be compelling.In post 78, GuiltyLion wrote:
Do you also scumread my intro post for being somewhat rote?In post 75, Bingle wrote:
VOTE: GLIn post 73, GuiltyLion wrote:Why not vote me then?
Why am I voting you?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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In post 35, Enchant wrote:Monkelite.
Is this the Space Monkey Mafia the prophet Billy Joel foretold?In post 34, Almost50 wrote:Almsat?? You think I'm a satellite?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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No, Who doesn’t play mafia any more. A50 is the child.
"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I did though. Don’t you remember me bribing NM with $10 to announce you as IC so that when the cop checked you we could get them eliminated?In post 88, Almost50 wrote:
You should've let me know about your grandiose plan in the PT beforehand.In post 79, Bingle wrote:It’s a little premature to be townreading me. We should wait until day 3 or four to fakeclaiming masons."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Aight, mech stuff:
A50 gets all hammers. He should check to make sure NM is around when doing so to prevent scum from twilight strategizing.
We should policy eliminate all posts that look like attempts at coordinating nightkills, even very obvious joke ones, because letting the scum talk to each other puts us at a severe disadvantage.
A50 should say who he’s going to target each night so long as the doc remains hidden for the purposes of WIFOM protection.
Doc claims should be left alive in all circumstances. If they’re fake, the real doc will probably shoot them. If they’re real the scum won’t shoot them because of the possibility of the real doc shooting them (neither team will know if it’s a real or fakeclaim) and we should be able to work backwards from number of kills to determine whether they were real or not."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Nope. I’m in another game that just so happens to be taking place in the same thread. We’re playing parchisi. What about you?
"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Not interested in having this discussion at all.In post 102, DArby wrote:Actually, Bingle, why should A50 claim with there being a CPR doc? Shouldn’t the doc only have one person to worry about saving (A50).
Not to mention if it’s so that way we have an idea of who to hold responsible in the event of A50 dying, couldn’t that also be used against us?
A50 will make the decision or he won't, that's all there is to say on the matter. Further discussion of this is only likely to inform the mafia. If it becomes relevant I can explain the why on day 4 or so or in the post game after I'm dead.
All you have to do is trust in the Bingle meta that I believe there is a protown reason for me to advocate that course of action, regardless of my alignment."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Correction, Bingle acts like everyone is idiots.In post 108, Enchant wrote:POV: Bingle acts like everyone else is idiots.
Everyone else assumes that I don't think I myself am an idiot."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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By the property of Monkey See, Monkey Do does that mean you're going to start a company now?In post 127, Almost50 wrote:OH! I've just realized my new title has been implemented. I don't know how long it's been there but I didn't see it until NOW!"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I was gonna catch up and be useful, but all of the colors are bleeding together. I promise that I'll either catch up tomorrow. Maybe."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Unlike last night, I don't have a legitimate reason to not catch up. I just don't want to. Deal with it, nerds. (Seriously though, I promise to get to this and actually provide content when I'm in a better mafia headspace.)"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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A50 absolutely shouldn’t do this.In post 138, mc esther wrote:im happy to say "actually i think cop should investigate doc claims" and leave it at that."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Going all the way to deadline is always a bad idea.In post 138, mc esther wrote:does this mean we should also treat deadlines as slightly shorter than they are? like, this is definitely correct for the most part, but risks no-hammer if the wagon only builds up close to deadline."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Scum post.In post 133, GuiltyLion wrote:
being fair to Roden, I basically challenged him in my last post to go at me, so I'm not surprised to see him bite back. What I'd like to actually hear from him though is why he thinks my behavior is more likely to come from me as scum than me as town, because that's what's missingIn post 130, LicketyQuickety wrote:This is over aggro. Sort of feels fake."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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In post 276, Salsabil Faria wrote:How many votesRodenhas btw?
I'm like want to vote them, also don't want to vote them at the same time
Hm. Still don’t like GL’s entry. Also firmly disagree with P2, and don’t think GL believes it either. Early scrutiny is great for above average scum because it’s not likely to actually go places and it helps explain why you’re not dead in the late game. Also, classic “that’s town because it mirrors NAI/scummy thing I’m doing” here.In post 290, GuiltyLion wrote:my one main salient takeaway from the LQ/Roden bit is that both are making dubious claims on one particular front
Roden in 205 asks LQ if LQ thinks Roden "purposefully puts himself in this situation as scum". Again I think Roden is questionably taking credit for something that I feel I'm responsible for (early wagon/pressure on Roden). The logic of "why would I get wagoned as scum" isn't easy to understand from either a town/scum perspective, it's not clear what Roden specifically thinks that he did to get himself wagoned and whether that was intentional. However I have seen both alignments make the "I wouldn't be wagoned if I were scum here" claim, it's not something I feel comfortable reasoning about as AI but I certainly don't townread it, at best it's WIFOMy.
However, Roden has a point in 209 that LQ agreeing that scum!Roden might indeed intentionally "put himself in this situation" is also a bad take. Scum do not love early scrutiny, in almost any circumstance. I don't see LQ's logic in implying that this COULD be a scum plan - again, how and where did Roden even intentionally invite pressure on himself? Whatever Roden's alignment is, I'm sure he'd rather not be voted and rather not have to argue with people voting him.
I can see what LQ is saying in that LQ just kinda went along with an idea (being intentionally wagoned) that Roden put out there, but it's just such bad reasoning on both sides ("if I were scum, I wouldn't be wagoned") ("no, if you were scum, this might be your plan!!") that I'm having a hard time parsing why either player is taking any of the logic seriously."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Oh the salsa post is also very scummy.
Regardless of whether roden/LQ is t/s t/t s/s or m/w, there’s definitely scum in the cheerleaders. Other potential takers on that pool are T3 and pav from what I’ve seen so far.
LQ is being surprisingly readable/reasonable given the amount of complaining I saw while p dodging. Light townread there. Roden is meh. Not really scummy, but reacted poorly to baiting. Not really towny either, just kinda got pushed into this whole interaction.
Darby is pro town. Mc is either town or trying to pocket Darby. Need to poke there a bit later to see what falls out of the tree."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Townread retracted.In post 294, mc esther wrote:i can see why scum!lickety would want the thread to be the way it is now; and salsabil and t3's meta read had me considering the scum vs. scum interpretation at one point. but i dont find it that compelling, i obviously cant corroborate their reads, and lickety clearly isnt the only person responsible for the state of the thread.
voicing doubts about the wagon in post #289 pings vaguely town. i dont see much reason for him to attempt to disengage as scum, he's very much "winning" as it were. the obvious reason would be "for the town cred", i guess; but scum changing a read after hard tunnelling for multiple pages is pretty gutsy imo."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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This is the most moon logicky post I’ve ever read. You could teach a PhD level course on moonlogic, and Titus would walk out of the room saying what the fuck just happened.In post 296, T3 wrote:
I feel like scum would be a little bit more conscious of the fact that they are playing in a game so weak townpoints for thisIn post 97, DArby wrote:Don’t say that. I didn’t fully read the player list and thought I accidentally posted in a game I shouldn’t be in."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I wanted to get in on the quote wall.In post 303, Almost50 wrote: Ooh Eeh Ooh Ah Aah Ting Tang Walla Walla Bing Bang
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"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Mobile atm, but I can explain my thoughts later.In post 375, GuiltyLion wrote:
I'm not really following this post at allIn post 370, Bingle wrote:Hm. Still don’t like GL’s entry. Also firmly disagree with P2, and don’t think GL believes it either. Early scrutiny is great for above average scum because it’s not likely to actually go places and it helps explain why you’re not dead in the late game. Also, classic “that’s town because it mirrors NAI/scummy thing I’m doing” here.
1) Do you think Roden is "above average scum"? If so, what is that based on? He has already claimed in the thread that this should be obviously seen as his town game - which I already pointed out means his scum game must be really bad if he honestly believes that.
2) I also just don't agree with you on "early scrutiny being great for scum". There's a vig in the setup and another scum faction who won't care if you're limmed or not. when I'm scum I always feel better when I'm coasting than when I feel like I'm expected to post and answer for the questionable shit in my ISO
3) I don't understand the last sentence at all, I don't know if it's a miscommunication or you not understanding my post. Where do you think I'm calling anyone town in that post? Did you misunderstand my point about how I don't buy Roden claiming to "put himself into this situation" - because the "situation" is literally just me and LQ grilling him for a bad early game
Basically what I don’t like about that post isn’t the takes on LQ/Roden, but what you’re using those takes to say.
The premise of “scum don’t want early scrutiny” when you’re actively making yourself a central pillar of thread activity reads as a kind of incepted lamist.
Also, scum don’t want to be obvscum in a thread with a vig, but being shit pushed? Scum LOVE being shit pushed."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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You try to English more gooder as drunk as I was.In post 309, Almost50 wrote:
Is their an "or" missing, OR am I missing the point?In post 230, Bingle wrote:I promise that I'll either catch up tomorrow. Maybe."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Are we fighting over who gets Darby’s attention? I wanna be the prettiest.In post 343, Almost50 wrote:In post 325, DArby wrote:Basically, yeah. This game I want to focus on who I town read the least {target pending}.
Darby, I’ve been pretty blatantly buddying a monkey and no one’s pushing me. Also I like long walks on the beach and plotting invasions of small neighboring cities."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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But I don’t think anyone in the thread is involved in the trafficking of mothers yet.In post 354, Galron wrote:Dammit, Bingle. At least call someone a mothertrucker. Or is it too early for that?
At most I think people are being manipulative fuckfaces pushing roden and LQ at each other to choke the thread, but they’re not even really doing a good job of it given there aren’t 50 pages yet."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Not really a thing (scum who have a partner getting lolwtf townreads don’t particularly want to undermine said reads).In post 386, LicketyQuickety wrote:Oh, also, is it too early to say DArby is thread spewed Town at this point? Because pretty sure no one has said DArby is anything below Town.
He has been very town though."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Townslip? Eh, either way it’s towny.In post 368, Pavowski wrote:In post 361, Auro wrote:
Why is it scum thinking - why can't town be unsure? Is there a hidden reason scum would be unsure? Is there fault with her reasoning for not being sure?In post 351, Pavowski wrote:Salsa always seems to have a bit of chaotic energy that I find hard to read, but I was pinging after the whole "I want to vote roden but not sure I should" thing, which is scum thinking though I don't know why it was verbalized
Of course town can be unsure. Town *should* be unsure.
What's scum thinking is "I've decided I want to vote this person but I'm not going to" because...? Like imo town just votes there whereas scum is a lot more concerned about how their vote "looks".
I wouldn't consider e-3 the verge of elimination, and if scum is willing to give the game away and quick hammer from that far out, I'd say that's worth letting somebody get quick limmed.Salsabil Faria wrote:You saidRodenwasn't verge of the elimination but they're at E-3 that time and we have 4 scums."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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See that’s the thing. I don’t think that the pillar of town activity you is really there. I definitely see you trying to look like it’s there but your actual play just feels kind of Nothingburger.In post 381, GuiltyLion wrote:You're probably right in picking up a "GL thinks making himself a pillar of thread activity is townie" vibe from my posting/arguments but that's because I authentically think that's what good townplay is supposed to be, and I think that as either alignment.
Where is the GL townfire? Where is the grabbing the thread by the horns? Where is the three page analysis of whether Bingle actually says he hammer his partner for the loss that you freak out about two pages later and completely drop?
VOTE: Probably the disconnect on the other point is I don't think I was "shitpushing" Roden, I came at him with an early game hunch that occasionally points to scum (using a past game as a justification for your RVS vote) and then he responded poorly by discrediting me while also ignoring me, which prompted me to keep pressuring him. That's just real pushing, not shitpushing.[/quote]
Y/N this is an angle of investigation you actively believe results in a roden lim and not a preliminary push looking to gauge reactions."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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A50, Pav and the next person to vote me. Only somewhat tongue in cheek.In post 393, Almost50 wrote:I feel bored, so I may decide to actually play this game seriously. (Sorry for those this may disappoint)
OK..
First "Dictatorian" Declaration:
I; King of thread and ruler of both Town & Mafia alike; have decided in all my mighty grace torequestorder all of my subjects and minions to each provide a 3-players list of their top TRs (NOT including self).
- You have 24 hours to comply.
- Once submitted you cannot alter your choices.
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The only players I'm currently townreading are Pav and Darby. Everyone else is null at best.In post 407, Almost50 wrote:
Unacceptable for 3 reasons:In post 396, Bingle wrote:A50, Pav and the next person to vote me. Only somewhat tongue in cheek.
1- I am conf!Town, so it goes without saying I was asking for your reads on other players
2- The "nekst" player that votes you is an unknown quantity at this time
3- Although my post still looks like I'm shitposting I was/am dead serious. I've decided to actually play the game, so please no tongue in cheek lists
So...
Also, I don't know who you are, but MY monkey loves having tongues in cheeks."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Only in the loosest sense. I am familiar with the way GL plays but the thrust of the argument isn’t something that requires said knowledge to evaluate. In any case, the meta aspect is that GL is a strong player and that it’s possible he would be waffly as town here because he just kinda waffles a lot.In post 437, mc esther wrote:the scumread on guiltylion is basically meta, right?
The idea behind the argument is that the sum total of the post is posturing and things that are either NAI or scummy. Summarizing events in thread is a classic enough scum tell that it has a name, IIoA. Painting a behavior of being willing to jump into the fray as inherently town is naive, and someone with as much experience as gl certainly knows better."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Why would you engage in preemptive NKA in the first place though?In post 457, Pavowski wrote:I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.
Like... This is just introducing so much WIFOM into the thread.
If GL gets shot here, did Bingle do it for towncred? Did scum do it trying to frame Bingle? Did the CPR doc do it trying to save GL from the scum shot that was trying to frame Bingle of either alignment?
Just posting that makes it completely useless."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Explicitly, I agree that questioning on this aspect doesn't help sort Pav. I'm just trying to muddy the fuck out of any signaling attempts because for fuck's sake people, scum not being able to guess what each other are thinking is one of town's primary advantages in this setup.In post 469, GuiltyLion wrote:Hence, I don't understand how the line of questioning actually helps you sort Pav, it feels like busywork at best and at worst potentially trying to stir up "issues" with Pav that you can then use to push him."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Okay.In post 482, Almost50 wrote:So you did see at as signaling. GOOD. Now ACT upon it.
VOTE: Salsa"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Core of my pav read, LQ.In post 389, Bingle wrote:
Townslip? Eh, either way it’s towny.In post 368, Pavowski wrote:In post 361, Auro wrote:
Why is it scum thinking - why can't town be unsure? Is there a hidden reason scum would be unsure? Is there fault with her reasoning for not being sure?In post 351, Pavowski wrote:Salsa always seems to have a bit of chaotic energy that I find hard to read, but I was pinging after the whole "I want to vote roden but not sure I should" thing, which is scum thinking though I don't know why it was verbalized
Of course town can be unsure. Town *should* be unsure.
What's scum thinking is "I've decided I want to vote this person but I'm not going to" because...? Like imo town just votes there whereas scum is a lot more concerned about how their vote "looks".
I wouldn't consider e-3 the verge of elimination, and if scum is willing to give the game away and quick hammer from that far out, I'd say that's worth letting somebody get quick limmed.Salsabil Faria wrote:You saidRodenwasn't verge of the elimination but they're at E-3 that time and we have 4 scums."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I really dislike GLs auro takes, btw. It reads like gl is calling auro scummy for being paranoid, which is p much the exact opposite of what someone being paranoid usually indicates."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Sorry, yeah. It’s on my to do list I’ve just been busier than expected.In post 537, DArby wrote:
Bings, could you please reword this?In post 508, Bingle wrote:I really dislike GLs auro takes, btw. It reads like gl is calling auro scummy for being paranoid, which is p much the exact opposite of what someone being paranoid usually indicates."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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UNVOTE:"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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TBC, I’m not caught up but I at least want to get back to the GL stuff before the night phase. This is not a reflection of any change in reads, but rather of seeing discussion about hammering and hoping I can stop it."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I’m not sure who is in hammer range then, but can I please have 12 hours?In post 566, Enchant wrote:You didn't stop it actually.
I mean, I know I did you dirty in sploders mafia but I got my comeuppance in not getting to explode a bird already."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Sorry, passed out last night before I got to this.
Doing some Jingle stuff and then y’all are the priority."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Aight here. Shotgunning to try to beat thread lock."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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GL v Auro:
GL is pushing the idea that auro being aggressive and assuming that someone is scum until proven otherwise is scummy, when I think that's actually just a good way to make the pressure worth something.
GL townfire isn't a reference to GL aggressively pushing someone, but rather the kind of super in depth analysis he posted (presumably) on the last few pages. Haven't actually read them for content, but they look superficially like GL townposts."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Shitpush =/= push with bad logic but rather push that is poorly executed.
The distinction is small but there.
A shitpush can be based on a solid tell, but isn't likely to be compelling.
A bad push can be convincing but isn't particularly likely to be on scum (though it can be)."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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I still think Pav is town despite the possible signaling because I think scum is likely super paranoid about posting that kind of thing and avoids it like the plague. OTOH, calling attention to something that looks superficially like signaling like name escapes me but I'm voting them did is a way to signal without being the person actually doing the signaling. It also probably ducks other scum hunting for scum signaling but dodges calling out the signaling to town in order to keep the signaling alive if it actually is. Pretty tinfoily, but I also didn't like reactions so I think it's a solid flip."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Auro prob town for the opposite of the above. Signal hunting AND calling it out shows signal hunting for all of the right reasons. I also like the aggression here, and I think Auro is actively scumhunting.
Multiball, so not the end all be all of reasons to townread someone, but at the very least Auro is townsiding scum so I'm fine with leaving him around for the time being."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Did I miss anything that needs to be addressed ASAP in case I die?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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If no one tells me about something I should prioritize I'm going to take a quick look at GL's walls, but I'm not sure exactly how long I have here."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Looking at this while heading to wall posts in ISO, this kinda sums up some of what I was suspecting of GL, but backwards.In post 579, GuiltyLion wrote:thinking that it's signaling feels to me like assuming Pav's alignment/motivations first and analyzing his post second. Like if I start from Pav being scum, could that be a signal? Maybe. Do I look at his post and think it's such clear signaling that it makes Pav more likely to be scum? No.
GL is saying Auro is scummy for assuming Pav to be scum and then continuing. I feel like GL might be scum for assuming Pav is town and then continuing. Less sure based on maybe townfire from GL. He is much more motivated to high effort as town so if that ends up being the case instead of IIoA then this is probably a playstyle thing."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Don't think I have any?In post 619, Auro wrote:enchant, galron?
I don't remember either doing anything particularly AI in this game, but I am a little checked out and only really remember the things that gave strong impressions.
Anything specific you want impressions on?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Disagree theory wise but promising start.
FWIW, imo survivalism is a stronger PR tell than scumtell. I usually avoid voting out people based on survivalism on D1 if I think they might be a PR.
Also, heavily meta based.
I kinda got the impression from skimming that Salsa is showing anti PR and survivalism simultaneously so I think this is genuine scumhunting."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Enchant scummy, but lives to D3 unmolested.
Dropped some pretty obvious PR tells in a way that look intentional. Would rather solve them through nightplay/associations."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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575 leaves me vaguely unsettled, but I'm not sure why. Like... I don't think there's anything there I find objectionable, but it just doesn't feel bleeding town like I'd expect GL effort posting to feel.
I'm getting the vague sense that GL is leaning on theory to supplement his activity, but I don't know if that's confbias from the earlier scumread.
GL, can I get a tl;dr with only conclusions you've drawn from your analysis at your earliest convenience if you live through the night?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Sure, but people react more strongly if you treat them like they're guilty. I start the game with a bunch of suspects and try to figure out names I can trust from that.In post 625, GuiltyLion wrote:I think maybe this is why we haven't seen eye to eye on stuff. I think you can be firm with pressure without making assumptions that someone is scum. I try (though don't always succeed) to maintain the mindset that most players are likely town until there's good evidence otherwise, just based on probability/Bayesian reasoning
I think I'm actually somewhere between you and Auro, in that I try to tailor whether I treat someone inno or guilty as a baseline to the individual player. For example, if you tell Nancy she's scum early she gets pissed and becomes super readable. If you try the same thing with a newbie, odds are decent they'll freak out and shut up regardless of alignment."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Spoiler:
Roden salsa TvT makes me feel better about Darby. No reason for scum to lend weight to a new wagon when there’s dueling wagons on not your team.
Was anyone cheerleading the roden salsa fight?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Useless discussion, imo.In post 638, Pavowski wrote:So either everyone targeted A50 or only Team Fire did and somebody else got doc's and frozen, right?
Seems more likely monkey got tripled up"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Actually… VOTE: pav
That’s potentially a very useful discussion for scum. Why did you bring it up?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I don't think this can have a drawback for asking publicly given how obvious a question it is, so:
@mod: Are death flavors indicative of who made the kill? If they are, what are the specific flavors for a Fire Kill, an Ice Kill, a Doc Kill, and an all three kill?
NM should be able (have to actually) answer that because this is an open."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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