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It's on the wrong person now.In post 44, Cook wrote:fixed-
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didnt know I was IC AND didnt call me scum? hmmmIn post 58, Almost50 wrote:In post 41, Nathann wrote:I mean, yes. I would like the IC to be present in the game. You got me.
ABSOLUTELY NOBODY IS FORCED TO BELIEVE ME, but I did miss the post where RCE was IC confirmed.
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damn, got me.In post 59, Nathann wrote:Cool, okay. I disagree with RCEnigma's 39, because it was claiming that a slot's first or second post being an RVS post cannot be a prolongation of RVS in a game. I disagree with that because I think it doesn't matter which post in an individual ISO it is, if there's some attempt happening to get the game moving out of RVS, and the slot chooses to do an RVS post, they're trying to prolong RVS. Therefore his dislike of my 37 is bad and he should rethink all of his life decisions.
What does this argument tell you about my alignment, now?-
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the gist is that its nai. town can still feel it proper form to rvs post if they start the game later than everyone else. tons of people scumread things like that though.In post 68, StrangeMatter wrote:
Well for one thing I find it harder with more experienced players to determine alignment, here I feel like it's a very out-there idea that I really don't agree with, but I don't think that it can even come from scum (though I have no clue about its utility towards scum if anyone would care to inform me about that, that would be great).In post 59, Nathann wrote:Cool, okay. I disagree with RCEnigma's 39, because it was claiming that a slot's first or second post being an RVS post cannot be a prolongation of RVS in a game. I disagree with that because I think it doesn't matter which post in an individual ISO it is, if there's some attempt happening to get the game moving out of RVS, and the slot chooses to do an RVS post, they're trying to prolong RVS. Therefore his dislike of my 37 is bad and he should rethink all of his life decisions.
What does this argument tell you about my alignment, now?
its not like its ever been a strong point of any case against scum ever either way so its not worth butting heads over.-
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you're welcome. Naturally.In post 116, RH9 wrote:
Thank you. You are officially the best scumhunter in the world, surpassing Cabd.In post 112, RCEnigma wrote:rh9 and by extension adse are IC approved votes.
(Why did nobody realise how good I am before? I once even defeated the whole of Town, on another site, as SK. I survived to F3 and eliminated the last Town member.)-
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this is my bad actually, something in my head made me put RH9's name to Scorpius' posts and there was no way a toneread there was a genuine read. I can buy it on actual rh9 maybe, though i dont agree.In post 121, A Dreary Saturday Evening wrote:
Why am I related to RH9?In post 112, RCEnigma wrote:rh9 and by extension adse are IC approved votes.-
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Nathan and STD.In post 135, Cupcake Butterfly wrote:What are IC disapproved votes?
Nathan can be honorary I for pushing slots I want pushed for reasons I want them pushed. Even if it took a little lob.-
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Is this so you can sort me better?In post 150, Cupcake Butterfly wrote:
Care to give detail to those reads?In post 147, RCEnigma wrote:
Nathan and STD.In post 135, Cupcake Butterfly wrote:What are IC disapproved votes?
Nathan can be honorary I for pushing slots I want pushed for reasons I want them pushed. Even if it took a little lob.-
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this is a weird interaction. why wouldnt you question those two slots if you wanted to move them out of null territory?In post 162, Cupcake Butterfly wrote:
No, it's because I'm at best null with those two slots.In post 155, RCEnigma wrote:
Is this so you can sort me better?In post 150, Cupcake Butterfly wrote:
Care to give detail to those reads?In post 147, RCEnigma wrote:
Nathan and STD.In post 135, Cupcake Butterfly wrote:What are IC disapproved votes?
Nathan can be honorary I for pushing slots I want pushed for reasons I want them pushed. Even if it took a little lob.-
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you made me laugh and the fastest way to a mans heart is through his esoteric concept of humor.In post 167, Save The Dragons wrote:
How did i end up on this list with what i've done so far lolIn post 147, RCEnigma wrote:
Nathan and STD.In post 135, Cupcake Butterfly wrote:What are IC disapproved votes?
Nathan can be honorary I for pushing slots I want pushed for reasons I want them pushed. Even if it took a little lob.-
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Ngl I like both jacket and three on rep in.
STD still town.
Poe is something like ADSE (not an activity based read)
NM
RH9
SM
If that doesn't contain all scum then deepwolf is probably like Galron or something but isn't a day 1 elim or day 2 barring some invest info.
Nathan and greeting are untouchables while I'm alive. STD behind them and CB behind that.
I had SM as town at some point I'll have to revisit that read.
I'll give the content I have down out closer to eod and if I'm still around day 2 I'll actually get to some solves town can use in my absence but right now with no guarantee of a protective I'm not really inclined to make hard lines day 1 since it could inadvertently create shields for scum to hide behind.
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That content will mostly be explaining why ADSE is scum and why slots like STD Cupcake and Greeting are town. Just because they seem like some of the less sorted slots by the rest of town fmpov. I do want to look deeper into the Scorpius wagon. I've been iffy on his slot but his wagon doesn't give me good feelings in a general sense. I don't have a why on that feeling right now though.-
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NM would have been my preferred vig shot if we mislimmed twice anyways. He's cool to have around if he's a pr. Generally he's pretty easily readable when town but he wasn't here so he's essentially a dead or scum slot in the context of this game.
We have the core of your arguments (three and jacket) so at this point it's probably best for you both to step back for a bit or focus elsewhere for a moment and come back.
I have an idea of where I stand on both slots but the AtE makes me want you both gone and I don't feel that's the best way to go about it-
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So I've been trying to be very hands off in the hopes someone steps up as townie outside of Nathan. Which hasn't happened.
To RH9 I did ignore you CB question but intentionally. It seems like no one else is really interested in exploring reasonings that don't fit their pushes though so it is what it is.
So while yeah I could see CB being targeted for being a possible pr I could also see scum being afraid of accuracy. If you go the route of Taly being elimmed for late game potential then the pool becomes pretty small for slots familiar with their towngame specifically. I'd have to read back who Taly said they had played with to flesh that idea out.
I haven't liked a lot of RH9's content but the callbacks to his questions for the town come off as townie over just continuing to post and leaving the hanging questions as busywork.
I'm still keen on greeting as town and I don't really want to get into three/jacket today. Even if I'm wrong on both of them being town there is at least 1 scum outside of them and a possible SK in that pool as well.-
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Also, regarding adse's wagon and why std has somewhat dropped in my reads. The wagon itself was town pushed which says nothing of Scorpius' wagon. Scum doesn't have to manufacture a wagon on town if one on town already exists except maybe to obfuscate VCA results.
Anyway my thoughts going into night phase where that scum likely existed outside of either wagon (SM) or in slots that were soft defending adse in zero hour in the event adse flipped town (three,std)
Those are just the names that stood out to me and doesn't necessarily include all slots that fit under that category.-
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Rh9, greeting, Scorpius. I don't have any degree of surety in declaring any of them as definite town the way I do with Nathan so any of the three could plausibly be scum but I do find the former two slots as less likely than the latter.In post 884, Looker wrote:For discussion sake, if scum were on ADSE, who do you think it would be - gonna be phone posting for the holidays so bear with me.
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Panicked doesn't have any bearing. It's just threat analysis. Who has the best tools to snuff out their intentions. I took myself out of the equation with perceived apathy. Though I don't think I was in danger of dying n1 regardless of what I said d1.
If Galron wasn't already flipped red then yeah I think it would be a stronger case against a50.-
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This is hindsight talking. My problem is what happens if we flip jacket and they're green? Because we have to flip you at that point. And IF you're throwing this tantrum as town then that's just game over with three consecutive town flips.In post 899, Three wrote:What would this even achieve if it was AtE? I know I'm not being pleasant right now and I literally keep saying to vote me. If I wanted to actually AtE it would be extremely easy, I'd just post like Jacket has been. I can read the room enough to know playstyle is being prioritized much more than actual content when it comes to who's getting eliminated, that's why ADSE got voted even though content wise they were fairly townie, as well as why RH9 got so much heat this game.
As far as telling people what page to look at, I alreadyhave. When I say look at EoD, there shouldn't be confusion.
You might not care but I'm sure people here do want to play to win and there is always a way for town to win with correct play. We just have to find the correct play. If vig wants to pop a shot at jacket that's fine, I can't make anyone do anything, even if I don't think it's the right play. I'm always against vig free firing but that's theory that won't sway anyone that's already fired blank into the crowd.-
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Just as rule of thumb. If we have a 1 shot cop they are essentially a named townie until GF flips. A full cop holds inno checks unless they have 2 alive at least and even then there aren't any hard clears till GF flips.
Town roleblocker and cop can confirm each other if rb hits cop. Rn and doc can I'm theory but it's only one way. Doc confirms town RB exists but town rb can't confirm doc.-
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Right, doc will know they were rbed is their target dies. But roleblocker won't know they targeted doc because it could just as easily be whichever scum didn't make the kill fake claiming doc. I hope that makes sense.In post 914, Looker wrote:
Understand named townie, understand hold 2 innos, kind of understand cop confirming rb, don't understand how a doc can confirm a roleblocker.In post 910, RCEnigma wrote:Just as rule of thumb. If we have a 1 shot cop they are essentially a named townie until GF flips. A full cop holds inno checks unless they have 2 alive at least and even then there aren't any hard clears till GF flips.
Town roleblocker and cop can confirm each other if rb hits cop. Rn and doc can I'm theory but it's only one way. Doc confirms town RB exists but town rb can't confirm doc.-
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Yes, it's MeLo so we lose on a miselim. I mean I'm kinda ready to lose this game already but if you want my input I'll give it.In post 963, Nathann wrote:RCEnigma, is massclaim a good idea here? Considering the shortened deadline, we should get to it if we're planning to.
We do not have a Vig but we do have at least 1 more pr for the town.
SK with roleblocker means we rolled T 1 or 3 times.
I also have a loose order I'd want claims in I think. But I see some merit in massclaiming by role and not by slot.-
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No.In post 998, Save The Dragons wrote:i'm not VT did you want my full claim-
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The setup is DDVMTTT with 2 conftown in myself and StD.
4v2v1
Im fairly certain that SK killed greeting last night and maf struck SK. With their BP down they are at risk of losing tonight.
SK also loses if they shoot town tonight. Scum can't CC SK with two alive because they just lose.
Looker/jacket/Scorpius/rh9/Nathan contains all non town
Looker/jacket/Scorpius likely contains all scum and possibly SK but I'm not quite as sure on the SK.
I'm actually sure that Scorpius is conf!scum at this point and Jacket is the likely partner.
So looker/rh9/Nathan is my SK pool with rh9 being most likely to me.-
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I said it the way I said it intentionally.In post 991, Jacket wrote:Has to be a vig because of 3 deaths N1, right?
Pre mass claim we lived in a potential world with 2 vigs in the setup, but also 1 with the opportunity for scum to counterclaim a pr.
Example, we could still have been in the setup we are currently in but scum could have claimed full vig and we wouldn't have a conftown outside of myself right now.-
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