open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[skitter30]

andante where's the vig?

[skitter30]

>.>

bizarrely that makes me wonder about an andante/kaiji universe ...

~

andante i mean this in the nicest possible way but do u understand how this setup works?

~

and kaiji why doesn't she just claim to track midway to her instead of making herself look bad by not tracking midway

[skitter30]

andante why do you think i'm looking for a vig if kaiji claimed it ... ?

[skitter30]

andante i mean this in the nicest possible way but do u understand how this setup works?

yeah I do now, I learned well after the fact about how roles worked, and realized I was getting whatever I picked

can you summarize how you think the setup works

[skitter30]

and how you thought the setup works when you picked your role

[skitter30]

ugh i'm sorry i hope i'm not making you feel bad ...

but when you come back i'd like you to explain how you think the setup works and why you think i'm looking for a vig if kaiji claimed it

[skitter30]

ok and when did you realize that's not how it works

pedit :)

pedit2: ok kaiji is saying nsg *tried to go for vig but is vt*, and we know 2 people died n1. what does that imply abt the game to you?

[skitter30]

why you think i'm looking for a vig if kaiji claimed it

?? idk.. kaji claimed it, people said nsg picks vig. and now you're asking where vig is, so who knows

also if kaiji claimed vig did you think he shot soemone n1?

i'm trying to understand what you understand abt the mechanics

[skitter30]

ok again so you thought that if more than one person picks the same role all of you are vt?
and went for tracker because you figured:
- tracker is boring so nobody would go for it
- you understand how tracker works?

and if you thought kaiji claimed vig you thought his slot shot someone n1?
weren't you saying you thought i could be a scum pgo at daystart? how could those both be true?

[skitter30]

also 'nsg would go for heroshot' happened lik ein the last 24 hours, what were you thinking before that

[skitter30]

yeah i'm just trying to understand what she's thinking and the timeline for when she was thinking what

i'm p sure this isn't scum tho ...

pedit well we've determined you didn't really understand the mechanics and you probably would as scum so i probably just got kaiji to stop pushign you

[skitter30]

i mean tbf you've 'surely going to die' for the past 2 nights and haven't

the point of hte questions, like i said, was to understand how you view the game, and you p clearly don't / didn't understand the mechanics (no offense), which makes you less likely to be scum

also, like i said wrt mena, i thought pooky's rep-out was town, but i am rethinking that, but i need mena here to sort him, but he's literally not playing so

pedit mare/dats crossed my mind yeah
not sure why that necessitates catboi tho

[skitter30]

ah right ...

[skitter30]

there's a new hood for each night
(i.e. if mare neighborizes you tonight there'd be a seperate mare/kaiji hood, you wouldn't be added to the mare/dats one)

[skitter30]

catboi confirmed neighborizer/voyeur was taken

there is part of me that is wondering if the hood actually exists

[skitter30]

1. Something_Smart
   
   Datisi
   skitter30
   
   Andante
   
   catboi
   
   Alyssa The Lamb
   
   Kaiji
   
   Mare
   
   Menalque

Menalque really needs to do something

why are you crossing off mare, and why how are you reading kaiji

[skitter30]

Does anybody have a good reason to tr catboi?

[skitter30]

@catboi, as i feel like i need to respond to what was said above

- although she's gotten good at, scum is still not skitter's preferred alignment. she prefers to keep her team with her rather than solo carry as she tends to lose energy in late game. "demotivated/not high energy is historically a scumtell for me" (i was aware of this)

Sorry, i said i would drop it but i dont get now you go from the quote to what u wrote above

You know that i flag and lose energy as scum .... whether or not i'm winning, there's only so long i can maintain 'good posting' as scum before i start spinning around in circles and hating literally every single time i need to post

It happened in slaughterhouse, where i was losing. It happened in deja vu, where i *winning* (most of my ranting that game happened, tbf, i believe in the hydra pt and not somewhere you were able to see, but iirc it was like 10 pages long and the latter half was just me like dying inside thinking abt needing to post and maintain that mess.)

I simply start to flag, and it takes more and more energy from me to continue posting. The fact that i'm winning is immaterial. This game is ridiculous, its dragging, and i would have lost the motivation to keep pretending to *care* as much as i do a very long time ago, that's just not really something i can fake. I would very, very, very badly want it to be over by now as scum, despite being apparently in a winning position

And i believe you *know* this ...

If i'm scum here i stop *trying* so hard (and quite simply, the game wouldnt need me too, so i wouldnt feel like i had to) ... but i'm town here and still think we're probably going to lose but i care more (or differently, at least), and still want to try to solve this utter mess in a way that i absolutely wouldnt be able to pretend to still as scum. Yes it would be great as scum if i can go around in circles and feel people out and so on but honestly it wouldnt be needed and its unlikely i keep dredging up the energy for that day after day after day after day

~
Unless you want to argue i'm scum with exactly andante, i'm baffled why i would nk midway instead of andante when i could have just flipped him and used the nk for like literally anybody else

This doesnt prove i'm town or anything but just like its a silly thing to do as scum when i could just, like, not

Its a silly way to expand the nk when i could get the exact same slot out via a flip ... there's no point nk'ing someone when they're flippable. I had at least two chances ro flip him, both day1 and day2 ...

[skitter30]

I spent most of day 2 wanting to vote mena only to get pushback from the rest of the thread on it, if I have a partner who's getting cleared by people in the thread I don't fuck it up by bussing for noreason and ou should absolutely know that

Uh ... where? You voted him twice but basically made no effort to flip or push him or to get other people to wagon him

This is a really really weak reason for me to think you're unaligned, there's like no oomph to ur mena push at all

[skitter30]

there's a new hood for each night
(i.e. if mare neighborizes you tonight there'd be a seperate mare/kaiji hood, you wouldn't be added to the mare/dats one)

like deadass i wanna know what was going on through your brain at this moment because there's doing shit as scum just for doing shit and then there's literally throwing the game by fakeclaiming nai night actions that we can't back up for absolutely no reason

Its not a very serious read, but a paranoid thought that i had that i'm aware is probably unlikely

[skitter30]

have those two even voted each other??? like at any point??? started building wagons on one another??? in contrast to how much shit they're spewing at each other???

I spent half of day2 voting him, yes
And i think i'm gonna vote him again now

VOTE: catboi

Why is he pocketing you / why are you townreading him?

[skitter30]

Yeah i'm aware that voting him isnt clearing, but i wanted to point out that that is a thing hat happened

And do u like townread him otherwise or u just like his case on me

And yes i also had the thought that he's dragging mena to elo while complaining that we couldnt possibky partner-read him with mena since he voted him like twice ... he actually has a really icky partner-y soet of post that does not Look Great in that context, which i shall quote in a sec

[skitter30]

I am insanely scared now that menalque is just the designated mislim that scum have been sparing for days to kill later and that was what drove the vote onto cakez yesterday but absolutely cannot justify him being anywhere near ELO the way things are going

Ah never mind, i remembered this being the other way around, so i'll take that back

[skitter30]

what are the good catboi vibes

i'm p sure any 3 players out of the players still alive as scum would make sure to get all night actions in ... ?
idk i don't get why we think she'd forget to take an action as scum. get blocked or something theoerteically, sure, but like i imagine someone would put down night action for her, no?

[skitter30]

not inherently to make sure that neighbors happen but to make sure she can 'prove' her role and not look bad for having mysteriously missing night actions

[skitter30]

ok ... i don't particularly care to litigate this further

pedit @catboi

[skitter30]

see I'm getting good vibes off catboi, why are yall saying cat is best here? why not just yeet mena

@andante

pedit yes so why should i not think your'e partnered with him exactly? or why is it absurd that i could think of such a pairing?

also do u think i ought to be townreading you here?

[skitter30]

what are the good catboi vibes

whoops wrong quote, imeant this one

[skitter30]

are we finishing massclaim today ... ?

[skitter30]

ok well i'm not 100% convinced you're scum (but am definitely leaning towards that because i think your read on me is nonsense ...) and it would kinda help if you answered questions like

yes so why should i not think your'e partnered with him exactly? or why is it absurd that i could think of such a pairing?

[skitter30]

know what I don't understand. skitter was very anti against claiming... like, it was basically softing cop/pgo or whatever... then when it comes time to claiming, skitter claims vt

i wasn't against claiming and didn't soft anything, i would love to see where you think i did either ...

[skitter30]

i'm waiting for a replacement ....
if he posts just enuf to avoid getting replaced i'm probably going to vote him

[skitter30]

well, it didn't happen and / or it wasn't something that i was doing intentionally, and if you're going ot accuse me of that i'd like you to find where you think it happened, because i don't think it did

and i think jk is a lot stronger than tracker here, in that it could be used as both a doc and a jk, and i figured you would go for the strongest role so i went for the second strongest one ....

i actually wanted ascetic cop but i thought you'd take it ...

[skitter30]

sounds like no one grabbed the cop? pshhh me choosing a role... yeah that's funny

i mean i think you should have chosen cop, yes , but i also think you didn't understand how the draft works so whatever, there's not much point to litigating this
but pshhhh me for choosing a role that i thought was important for town to get that i'd actually get ...

and i'm p sure town doesn't have cop and/or it's not in the game

pedit ok but i'm objecting to the push because, again, i think you're sus of me for something that you've imagined and didn't happen

[skitter30]

>.>

this is a loss like >80% of the time i think

[skitter30]

i mean i'm sus of him, yes
and he's in the vig pool

but rn i want to focus on catboi and mena

and now i'm going to play D&D so later

pedit yes but i''m p confident he isn't cop either, but we shall see

[skitter30]

WHY is cat town ... i asked you like 3x now ... ?
and i'm not as sus of dats as i am of cat

[skitter30]

ok but do you townread him or you just don't scumread him ...
liek what are the reasons for thinking he's town?

[skitter30]

like does anybody have a reason to townread him .... he's a good player, if he's town, why is the best thing anybody has to say abt him 'well i can't point ot anything scummy' ?

he's good at scum, isn't that the least we can expect out of him if he's scum?

pedit i dn't think you're scum? why do you think i think you're scum ....
i don't know who the third is, i don't even know if they're partners, but they're the two people i have the least reason to townread

[skitter30]

or catboi, or dats is lying

[skitter30]

I wonder if all this butting heads is just all town and scum are just giggling in the back at how dumb we're being

probably
and i guess we'll see if this helps at all ...

[skitter30]

Despite this being 'good' news for me, i actually dont think i really believe that ...

[skitter30]

I really hope he doesnt disappear for another 4 days ...

[skitter30]

And even if catboi is scum i dont think this is clearing for mena

[skitter30]

I'm just pointing out if scum havea n3 vig we dont really have the leeway to get this wrong, so i am Skeptical

[skitter30]

No, there really isnt. There's like one line that i can interpret as that, maybe, but its in the wrong place and while i can i suppose see him checking me, with his reads it would have made a lot more sense on like cakez

Tbf i didnt check pooky's iso for that but yeah
Idk if we can flip him today but i am Skeptical

[skitter30]

I really hope he doesnt disappear for another 4 days ...

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

[skitter30]

Also i think we might as well finish up massclaim with ss

[skitter30]

Fair enuf, just wanted to round it out completely

[skitter30]

I actually dont think he's been on top of it at all

I'm dubious that scum-dats claims failing to get pgo (when we know its such a controversial slot, etc), without even utilizing that to point fingers at mena/catboi, which he is decidedly not doing, so i am somewhat inclined to think its in mena/catboi (which is admittedly not so helpful)

[skitter30]

We're 9, right? I dont think there's a n3 vig tbh, but if we're so worried we can noflip today i suppose and see who dies, and then have elo tomorrow

With andante being in like {mena/catboi}

Not sure this is a good idea but figured it was worth throwing out

[skitter30]

@catboi from my pov if mena is venegeful that makes you or dats the vig

And from your pov that makes dats the vig (or me i suppose)

[skitter30]

Is no-flipping crazy here? Mena is gonna die, or have to come up with another clear also

Pedit if the bracket is in the game its vengeful or n3 vig, it cant be both

[skitter30]

Fair enuf ... i'm kinda ultra-focused on finding this vig >.>

The you/mena/dats group is very troublesome

[skitter30]

It would basically be forcing elo tho if its n3 vig

Can we flip venge in elo or is it just auto-loss if we dont take venge our before elo?

Pedit , lets think this thru and make sure its a good idea

[skitter30]

Fwiw i dont think he was doing that irregardless of his alignment

But if we're postulatibg mena is venge bracket, we still have a missing vig slot

[skitter30]

One advantage to it is it lets us prove whether Mena is really ascetic cop; if we trust that Andante and Mare are both town, we can no-exe and have them both try to visit him.

Oh good point, we can just test the ascetic cop (and both mare and andante have to actually do this tho .. >.>)

[skitter30]

which would not be skitter, because as scum I pick fights I think I can win)

Aw i'm flattered :p

But yeah fair enuf

Pedit do u know what ascetitc means?

[skitter30]

Pedit do u know what ascetitc means?

[skitter30]

Well maybe it would help if you play ball ....

If you dont get a report it proves he's cop because that's the only way the action could go missing at this point

Pedit and yeah if he's scum you'll have a guilty, that's a good thing, no?

[skitter30]

He isnt scum cop ... if he's scum he's almost for sure vig or venge/n3 vig

Pedit why not ....

Ok i'm losing some amt of patience, i'l try to explan later

[skitter30]

Or maybe someone else can

[skitter30]

I mean i dont trust that but ok

I do think catboi's shift in mode is rather +town

[skitter30]

Maybe lets just have mare try to hood him if we dont flip him today, i actually dont trust andante to be leashed and i think that's possibly scum-indicatice but whatever

[skitter30]

No actually we'd need her to be alive, he would just lie aby the hood, no?

And i see why we'd need both now

[skitter30]

Doesn’t Andante just die tonight if she’s town tracker.

Not necessarily

[skitter30]

Doesn’t Andante just die tonight if she’s town tracker.

No actually we'd need her to be alive, he would just lie aby the hood, no?

I was assuming that the OP of the hood would list who had access to it and that Datisi would know whether it succeeded or not. I guess that's worth double-checking.

@mod are the members of a neighborhood known to all hood members at all times?

I'm like 90% sure its a new hood each night

[skitter30]

and I know "zomg he has no reasons" is cliche bullcrap but he literally had no justification for scumreading me at all at any point

That's what i'm saying, checking you doesnt match his reads really? I mean ig it kinda does since u were his 'biggest sr' but like yeah ?

Also i am starting to ger sus of andante for how she's using her role at this point

[skitter30]

Also i am starting to ger sus of andante for how she's using her role at this point

pshhh I love tracker!! one of these days, I'll track maf onto the kill

...

[skitter30]

You can get useful results without literally tracking scum to the kill ...

[skitter30]

I think its like mena, and then some combo of alyssa, mare, ss, andante, dats in roughly that order

[skitter30]

Alyssa do you believe him?

[skitter30]

Who is a mastermind type of scum in this PL other than me?

I would/could probably come up with something along the lines of what this plan would be as scum if that helps

[skitter30]

Is she good at understanding mechanics?

[skitter30]

Ok

[skitter30]

That's my point, but thanks for the context kaiji

[skitter30]

Ok but literally half the game would help mena with such a claim

[skitter30]

andante knows how to follow a mech plan because they played open setups on epicmafia for years so its a bit absurd for them to not play follow the cop here to verify honestly.

Ok that's what i'm trying to say ty

[skitter30]

Whay happens if mare dies

[skitter30]

I don't get why we're settling for a no elim if the majority view is that mena is scum

Well he might be venge
But tbh i think its unlikely ?

[skitter30]

Catboi what are u thinking abt dats here?

[skitter30]

That is glorious

[skitter30]

Ok so from my pov, if we assume that catboi/mena arent aligned, and that dats is town, mena is probably just the vig, no?

[skitter30]

I mean its technically been only 36 hours, but yeah

[skitter30]

Honestly, if mena's slot is town i've lowkey accepted this isnt a win anyways

[skitter30]

Honestly, if mena's slot is town i've lowkey accepted this isnt a win anyways

just there were enuf misplays imo overall by enough people who are town that just like idk i feel absolved of the loss if this ends up being one

[skitter30]

i don't really think we have a n3 vig tbh
at the very least i don't think mena is venge because with my current reads there isn't anywhere to put the vig

[skitter30]

we were running otu of time, wasn't townreading him, didn't want to flip midway, and thought he was the vig

[skitter30]

ok. that was the reasoning tho

[skitter30]

and i mean what would have been a better option at that point ... ?

pedit me? she wasn't even ...

[skitter30]

i won't argue that scum-me doesn't shoot faker that night, because that's not true
but i wouldn't for that reason

pedit andante i really dont' think i can bicker abt mechanics with you anymore >.>

[skitter30]

agian, i 100% would have shot faker as scum there
i'm saying, though, i wouldn't have done so because she was FOS'ing me

i also think that most scumteams shoot faker that night

pedit i mean i would try to be nice regardless of my alignment

pedit2 possibly where andante claimed, i don't remember exactly what i said. i did explicitly say she was telling the truth about her role multiple times, at least once to you

[skitter30]

i will, i have to go do something irl but i'll come back shortly

[skitter30]

You targeted iv last night?

Well, andante's town, that's what i got out of this

I'm not sure why it would be beneficial for you to claim rn

I mean, I realize as soon as I was like "I think I should claim" I was claiming, so now it's like, ehhhhh I wasn't roleblocked last night, so that's a good sign!!

The funny part is I think it's very likely I was between maf and IV last night. Good thing I picked IV XD

You targeted iv last night?

yeah. fun fact. universal backups don't visit

up until this point i knew that andante picked jk/tracker, but thought she had picked jk
i was initially p confused by her claimed action because i wasn't sure how she'd get a result on iv with jk ... ~3579 i figured out it was tracker and not jk for all the pieces to make sense

was townreading her p strongly here because she:
- claimed her true role
- i really, really don't think scum picks tracker over jk
- the way she outed it makes it p clear that she actually is tracker and not jk

(i am aware you're not going to like this kaiji)
~

andante claimed tracker already, and you're painfully obviously town if the vig is scum

then they fakeclaimed ROFL

it's not her

i am indicating i know that she's tracker, and that i know 100% she isn't vig

explicitly keeping andante out of my vig pool (even now from you lot's pov it isn't proven she's tracker/jk bracket, esp. if you want to argue that i'm scum with her)

ex:

i already looked at cakez/catboi/mena/dats and none of them make sense to have shot either of faker/iv as a town vig
cakez/catboi slot being the top scum slot would be kinda sad for them, out of everything above the two of them i think midway is the most sus

[skitter30]

this type of thing is exactly why I was suspecting that skitter was a cop yesterday, so the fact that it's based on mechanical reasons is a particularly strong argument to me

well fwiw the role is mechanical, the townread is on play + combined with how i don't think she picks tracker this way as scum

[skitter30]

nah i want a soft from before fucking post 4.5k


when we're that deep into the game there's already a scum plan with claims


where's the indication that Vt was gotten on d1?

i didn't make one, i don't crumb generally
(see: chain of command that you said you specced, etc)

[skitter30]

i'm not sure me claiming is the best thing to do here but i'm not and i'll show you why i'm not when i claim

This is why I didn't think you were gonna claim JK

Like, if you're VT what's the problem claiming? I thought it meant you were like PGO, something that wouldn't want to out..

i'm not good with claiming / mechspech as town, so wasn't sure if it was the right to claim at that point, because doing so would probably trigger massclaim

pedit fwiw irregardless of mena's alignment i believe he's busy irl
i don't think him being absent is ai
(no matter how *annoying* it is)

[skitter30]

skitter has done 0 solving

and u are like here like fawning over them being nice to you and doing nice things thats so annoying and why its frustrating to play with u when ur town

i object to the bolded, and being nice is something that i aspire to, and it isn't ai
trying to talk you out of scumreading her in that convo is tho ...

[skitter30]

a) skitter is a known scumhunter, and even got an award for it 1 year
b) skitter was very high in the draft - so likely PR
c) scum had a vig shot to use
d) skitter has a very shallow case on why they voted cakez, and in fact has very shallow reads in general. we are on day 3 with several flips and no indication of any solve here.
like you see a few things that at best can be argued as not alignment indicative and you think theyre locktown

a - in the interest of transparency, i did not. i won dc one year and was nommed for paragon once (twice maybe?0 but didn't win it
b - vt
c - not sure why that points to me
d - cakez read was shallow, sure, but again what do you think i ought to have done better there? we were running otu of time, the other alternative option was probably a strong pr + i wasn't convinced they were scum (midway), and they were in my vig pool
what do you think town-me should have done instead

[skitter30]

because the inno from mena is 100% to take skitter off the table here

you realize i would never let him inno me, right?

[skitter30]

i tried to counterwagon SS but i got shut down several times - skitter was very insistent on cakez over SS for whatever reason and its really fuckin simple to see taht the different treatment is because cakez is town and SS is scum

i still dont' really scumread ss tbh

[skitter30]

but

VOTE: Skitter

im being spicy as fuck

lets remove the possiblity of n3 vig so we can fit that mislim in if needed

spicy indeed

[skitter30]

what if we just go back to the no lim plan? mare puts mena and town in a hood, I track Mena

i mean it would help if we could trust that you'd, like, actually do that ...

[skitter30]

u dont see
how

a scum who is lolcatting basically atp

to claim cop

with inno


on their n3 vig


on day 3



ok alyssa

nobody was talking about flipping me coming into today tho ... why bother trying to protect me from a flip that was unlikely to happen in the first place ... ?
and again i would imagine i would talk about said plan with mena and i wouldn't, like, let him claim an inno on me because the optics are atrocious ...

like i'm better at scum than that ...

[skitter30]

and skitter really did wait till i left thread to come back rofl

also i object to this, ty

[skitter30]

skitter post real reads challenge (impossible)(because she is scum)

andante catboi
dats kaiji
ss mare
alyssa
mena

[skitter30]

eh actually put catboi one down

[skitter30]

yeah i was just trying to see if that world makes sense ... tbh i can kinda see it ?

[skitter30]

it is, you haven't really done anything to make me change my mind from flow

[skitter30]

as town she would be like 'ohhhhhh i can confirm mena now!!!1'
as scum if mena is town no

at that point if she's scum and her action didn't go through i don't think they had enuf info to know *why* necessarily

pedit in what way

[skitter30]

i questioned it >.>
i have to like ~internalize~ this theory and see if it makes sense, i'm not sure it actually does but i'm getting tired now

[skitter30]

pedit in what way

You've never been this passive about it before, at least not outside of the games where I'm getting mega paranoid of you every 5 pages

It's like a lot of my posts don't even enter your mind and the times they do, it's like you don't actually think about them

It's really really odd

i mean i'm thinking abt them, i just don't have a lot to say about most of them, and they don't really feel ai in either direction to me

[skitter30]

honestly i think we ought to wait the 2 hours for a replacement but yeah i'm exhausted now and can't thinka bt this anymore tonight, so night

[skitter30]

Happy bday andante

Also if mena is town, we're still missing that vig and there has to be scum in dats/catboi (dats?) or kaiji is scum

[skitter30]

Ahhh this game >.>

[skitter30]

Ah yeah well ... this is probably scum

[skitter30]

Ty enchant for repping into a very difficult slot tho so that we can at least move on

[skitter30]

I think i probably just support flipping enchant today but will just think through this after work

[skitter30]

vla until monday

I'll think this through and figure out how i want to approach this flip (/no-flip as the case may be) after work but irl is a little busy rn and i wont have a lot of time for this in the coming days i think

[skitter30]

The mechanically optimal play is still to no-exe and stack Andante/Mare on Enchant, but honestly I'm not even sure that confirming Enchant as ascetic would redeem the slot for me.

I think i'm basically here, except that we cant trust sndante to do this and i also still wouldnt consider enchant clear if he is proveably ascetic

[skitter30]

my issue is that mena's play on d2 does not look like he has a clear on skitter at all

He had one or two posts that i could sort of view that way if i squint, but i kinda just assumed it was him doing his 'skitter is always town' thing

[skitter30]

I am kinda confused what scumteam told him to stick with the claim vs saying it was a bad reaction test

But tbqh i'm at the point where if enchant is town i'm not sure how we win this

[skitter30]

why would you assume I'd let you get another check

Tbf if you're scum you also cant kill him?

[skitter30]

Did we ever finish massclaim

Yes

[skitter30]

I dont actually think there's a n3 vig but a part of me just wants to play things safe but i also question if we can trust andante

I'm wondering if we should just bite the bullet and go for it

[skitter30]

i'm kinda thinking, if there's a n3 vig, sure we lose if we misyeet

but, if there is no n3 and we no-yeet, we lose the one and only opportunity to actually have a guaranteed scumflip, and instead we've propelled ourselves into 8p mylo for literally no reason

The other thing here is that Enchant seemed to favor no-lim which makes it more likely that scum don't have a n3 vig if they are scum.

Would you mind explaining this?

I'm kinda thining that we just bite the bullet and do this ... enchant seems more interested in not dying than killing cat, which would be markedly strange in a cop with a guilty

[skitter30]

And ... ?

[skitter30]

I think enchant + alyssa + idk the third

[skitter30]

Ok currently leaning:

We no lim

Enchant checks Alyssa.

i don't hate this tbh

[skitter30]

honestly i''m not really sure it matters who he checks, i'm really just more concerned abt who dies / how many

[skitter30]

is your issue that the proposed check is you, or with the entire notion of no-limming today

[skitter30]

is your issue that the proposed check is you, or with the entire notion of no-limming today

Latter

I don't care at all that I'm the proposed check

ok, so why are your objections to no-limming only coming now, and not when i proposed it several days ago and when there's been much discussion abt it

[skitter30]

pedit in what way

You've never been this passive about it before, at least not outside of the games where I'm getting mega paranoid of you every 5 pages

It's like a lot of my posts don't even enter your mind and the times they do, it's like you don't actually think about them

It's really really odd

are you going anywhere with this btw?

[skitter30]

Because that was the thought I was referring to a while ago and I haven't had the time to properly assess it since I've been busy with all my obligations for weeks now

ok fair enuf
but tbh i don't think enchant is, like, endgaming here so i'm not really that worried about who he checks, i'm just assuming it's a load of wifom

but now that i write that out, if he isn't endgaming anyways maybe we should just flip him and move on? idk

[skitter30]

VOTE: Enchant

if you dont go on enchant when we no lim ur throwing btw

this ^

kaiji what changed your mind on me?

play-wise tbh i think i probably townread kaiji here the most

[skitter30]

My prevailing thought regarding no kill is that Enchant, if scum, just claims a guilty on a town, the scumteam kill whatever town is most likely to see through the deception, and they just need to convince whatever other towns are left that they're right and they're simply home free

and i guess from your pov, can you answer the following questoins plz:

- why did mena pick a guilty on catboi
- who is the scumteam most likely to kill?

pedit fair enuf
although i think my trying-ness has kinda slacked off these past irl days, do with that as you will

[skitter30]

really? I don't TR kaji at all, only after all the talk about how if we no lim and there's no vig we lose the mis lim, has kaji decided "oh yes. lets no lim!!"

i feel ike they're way too all over the place to be having these thought processes as scum
there's too much re-evaling that doesn't need to happen

pedit was that 'idk' to me or kaiji

[skitter30]

also fwiw if alyssa happens to be a goon that probably confirms mare as town

[skitter30]

quizá por eso te vas, quizá por eso regresas

vote count 3.5 !

Enchant (3):

Kaiji, catboi, Alyssa The Lamb

Andante (1):

Mare

no execution (1):

Enchant

not voting (4):

Something_Smart, Datisi, skitter30, Andante

9 are alive, and it takes 5 votes to reevaluate someone's considerations. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-01-30 04:45:00)

other ideas

• did you know that skitter30 is vla on fridays and saturdays?
  
• did you know that datisi is vla on tuesdays and thursdays?
  
• and kaiji is vla until sunday

here's my question for you skitter:

what exactly are scum doing if enchant is town?
what exactly are scum doing if enchant is scum?

i have a hard time answering this question because it depends on scum-enchants role and if there's a n3 vig or not, and then i start circling the possibilities and it's hard for me to come to a conclusion because i keep going around and around in circles

this is kinda why i'm having a hard time figuring out what i want to do, there's too many unknowns for me to fully process this rn

thsi may be unhelpful but i'm basically drawing a blank

[skitter30]

well ... i hope this flips scum and i hope catboi is meming but yeah
idk i feel like if this is a loss it was lost a while ago

[skitter30]

idk i'm not sure if this is the post-flip silence of scum being like 'oh they just flipped one of us, let's not say anything to spew' or 'we just won we just need to wait for night to like 'confirm' it'

[skitter30]

idk if i die here, but if enchant is town there still has to be scum in catboi/dats because we're missing a vig. i guess i'd go with catboi but tbh neither seems super likely
i'm rather sus of alyssa

i think andante is town, i feel really good about kaiji but if we're missing a scum i'd look at him
ss i think is scummy but i'm p sure he's apired with alyssa in the draft and i dont' think they purposefully collide

i'm sus of mare but she's probably town anyways? idk

sorry i've been having a tough few days, i'm having a hard time thinking putting all of my thoughts together

[skitter30]

oh good point >.>

[skitter30]

i actually feel really good abt kaiji town tbh

watch my reads be awful >.>

[skitter30]

why aren't you the planned nk again?
wasn't that what you've been thinking this whole day ?

[skitter30]

>.>

[skitter30]

idk i'm not sure if this is the post-flip silence of scum being like 'oh they just flipped one of us, let's not say anything to spew' or 'we just won we just need to wait for night to like 'confirm' it'

this was so weird ...
probably the former

[skitter30]

GG I was mafia

i guess this is probably town ?

pedit yeah and

[skitter30]

wasn't about enchant

[skitter30]

Well i hope we get some clarity overnight

[skitter30]

If there isnt a n3 vig i would probably just flip enchant tom tbh

[skitter30]

I hope u feel better soon kaiji

[skitter30]

That's good, i'm happy to hear

And you're right, sorry, i'm really not firing on all cylinders tonight >.>

[skitter30]

if the slot that dies is one of Mare/Andante, then we have to determine whether the other has a genuine action or if they're scumpartners

for the sake of talking this out, assuming no n3 vig

- andante dies

-- mare claims a hood with enchant. either exactly mare/dats/enchant, or enchant's going to claim they didn't get hooded, so we have another 1v1 here

-- mare claims no hood with enchant. either mare/enchant + someone, or enchant is town

- mare dies

-- andante claims no result. andante/enchant have to be aligned (either tvt or svs)

-- andante claims no visit - 1v1 here

i think this is right, no?

honestly enchant doesn't feel like a cop with a guilty on catboi, he's not being urgent enuf about flipping catboi / getting more results, he's more banking on the fear of lost results to not kill him if that makes sense

[skitter30]

i mean if he's a cop with a guilty why isn't his focus flipping the guilty

[skitter30]

true but then we're in obvious elo with:

- enchant/catboi in a 1v1
- enchant looking scummier by the minute
- 2 scum in {you, alyssa, kaiji, dats} and i probably can find at least one scum here, i hope >.>

pedit @ss

[skitter30]

fwiw that post is what i was reading as the one post in his iso that is semi-indicative of him having an inno on me

[skitter30]

<3 andante

[skitter30]

and also big sigh

[skitter30]

No, i wasnt.

That post is how he'd talk to me if he had a clear on me tho. Its also how he'd talk to me if he were scum and wanted me to townread him.sooooooo

[skitter30]

I have went and reviewed andante's games, both town and scum - and concluded that she is scum on an interesting point.

she fakes her tone as positive at the start of her scum games.

and here - I feel as though her tone was fake positive at the start.

Ig just like her tone was very consistently positive and energetic and trying to solve. I'm not really sire why u think its fake, and its hard for me.to see her sustaining that through this game for so long

sigh

this most recent thing is almost a step by step match of the game I was scum with her

Can u elaborate a bit please?

[skitter30]

Honestly i dont think i want to get into the quagmire of one of andante/mare is dead ans we have another 1v1 tomorrow


And i donnt really think there's a scum vig in any case

I think i just want to flip enchant today

[skitter30]

In the event of enchant-town n3 vig i guess we just lose but honestly i dont think those are both true

[skitter30]

What no >.>

[skitter30]

Thia dead thread must be like the dead thread for slaughterhouse

[skitter30]

like if you're certain catboi is scum, why aren't you pushing for flipping him

Who is this even abt?

[skitter30]

Honestly i dont think i want to get into the quagmire of one of andante/mare is dead ans we have another 1v1 tomorrow


And i donnt really think there's a scum vig in any case

I think i just want to flip enchant today

Why

well, tbh i don't see myself voting catboi before you
the options are flipping you today or no-limming and seeing what happens overnight and sorting that mess out tomorrow

[skitter30]

i'm gonna i guess finalize what i want to do in the next ~6 hours or so... i'm traveling this weekend so don't expect too much of me until like monday

[skitter30]

what happened to galron >.>

[skitter30]

>.<

Ok not sure where to leave my vote. I will do my utmost best to check in tomorrow night

[skitter30]

Should i just vote enchant?

[skitter30]

I feel like i shouldnt until we get galron's claim tho >.>

Pedit >.> this game

[skitter30]

Hi i'm like here but i'm getting on a plane soon so uh where should i vote

Pedit i dont think catboi takes the draft picks / night actions he would have had to as as scum

[skitter30]

If galron/andante is town

[skitter30]

okay

and I think that slot is town

so if that's the reason

then why does that only apply to some slots and not other slots

I think that scum who are confident they arent getting flipped today kill midway. Unfortunately i dont know who that is

I also think scum-catboi doesnt go for neighborizer

And tbh i dont think he lets his pissed-off-ness show as much as town

And also pointing out enchant isnt reallg treating me as an inno to him ...

[skitter30]

Where

Also yes i know scum-catboi is presumably lying, but i also believe him when he says that he'd try for cop, and i' not sure that's true for most/all scum here

What's the vc?

[skitter30]

Can you show me the crumb plz?

[skitter30]

The thing is that i dont believe there's a clear on me ... enchant is not talking to me like he has a clear on me i dont think, he should be appealing me more ...

[skitter30]

I dont think there's a cop crumb

[skitter30]

Not the crumb but shit like this is town af pooky trying to solve

No it isnt. Can you just show where the crumb is plz

Pedit faker almost always dies no matter the scumteam

[skitter30]

neighborizer better role than ascetic cop amirite :3

Not sure this is a crumb tbh ...

[skitter30]

rofl I have to go to sleep anyways but hf

town catboi doesn't blow up like this when pressured btw rofl


At least not in my experience.

I mean i dont think scum-catboi gets this pissed off either

[skitter30]

neighborizer better role than ascetic cop amirite :3

Not sure this is a crumb tbh ...

If there's a scum n3 vig we already lost rofl


When ur left alive as clear remember to listen to either Alyssa or i please

Ya that's basically where i'm at tbh

Pedit i respect your townplay >.>
I'm just having a hard time seeing the world you're proposing

Scum-enchant just makes a lot more sense

[skitter30]

No we're either doing cat, enchant, or no flip >.>

[skitter30]

Kaiji realistically i dont think i'm voting cat today. Its either gonna be nolim or enchant i think

[skitter30]

I just dont think i'm condident enuf to vote enchant rn, and i'm not going to be in the next 10 minutes

VOTE: no-lim

[skitter30]

In that

[skitter30]

Should i just vote enchant ...
Idk why i am so indecisive

[skitter30]

The thing is when i do explain how something is towny for someone I get shutdown by people like skitter who think they know better and its not worth explaining but rather trusting my BoP

Ok, like, why is enchant town?

[skitter30]

Its just funny the same exact people repeatedly mislim players like t3 and enchant and then never wonder to themselves "hm maybe i really suck at reading this person i should find a different method"

Like ... why is he town? Can you just explain what you're seekng that makes him town instead of *not* explaining and calling everyone bad for not seeing it ... ?

[skitter30]

how is it blatant that catboi is mafia

you cannot answer "i have a guilty on him"

Catboi naturally reeks mafia speeches and you failing to see this.

Also again, like, enchant allegedly has a clear on me ... why is he not treating me like he has a clear on me ... ? That makes me doubt the validity of said clear on me ...

If he has a clear, the fact that i'm sus of him, and interested in voting him out, should be a Big Problem from his pov, and he isnt trying to address or change that like at all

[skitter30]

I feel like a BoP on catboi to be coming up with better arguments than he is when he's scum fits, and the fact that they're kinda all over the place and not saying much of anything fits a tilted town mindset

Yeah agreed
~
And kaiji shouting thay enchant is town with your only reasoning being like 4 pooky posts that are nai js really, really not helpful, and also partner-indicative in the enchant-scum universe

[skitter30]

If he has a clear, the fact that i'm sus of him, and interested in voting him out, should be a Big Problem from his pov, and he isnt trying to address or change that like at all

~
And like if you would like to argue this point, where do you see him treating me as one

Pedit ok then

[skitter30]

If a cop has an inno on someone who wants to vote them out, changing that would usually be a priority from the cop's pov, no?

And you're not answering thr question of 'why is enchant town'

Posts like the above are, like, not helpful

[skitter30]

Why doesnt enchant do that
Why is enchant town
Id you want me to vote a certain way why arent you answeting questions that would make it easier for me to do so

Pedit so explain to me how town-enchant is approaching today ...

Look if he's town i'm trying to understand how/why you see it, but you're not explaining anything and what you're posting rn isnt helping

[skitter30]

Enchant (3):

catboi, alyssa. Dats

catboi (2):

Enchant, Kaiji

no execution (2):

Something_Smart, skitter

We have like four hours and i think we're abt to no-flip by default

[skitter30]

And I'd argue he is going as far as being specifically frustrated at you in his own way by wondering why you fail tonsee catboi scum

Ok
Where is this happening even?

~

Does galron even know he's supposed to be on enchant??

galron be on enchant plzzzzzz

Enchant check in alyssa/dats

[skitter30]

Also, if pooky is scum, i can see him taking vig p easily

If he's town i'm not sure he goes for cop at that point in the draft

[skitter30]

Also if kaiji is alive tom i would say that's more indicative of enchant-scum