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can't tell if seriousIn post 33, Dwlee99 wrote:Malcolm is actually scum if you want to not get distracted arguing about whether or not outing two conftown day one is a good idea
also STD entrance = bad-
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In post 71, Save The Dragons wrote:
so you're lying then?In post 69, House wrote:Both Dwlee & StD treating claims from 2 known shitposters as 100% legit...-
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What else needs to be discussedIn post 313, DkKoba wrote:thats E-1, please someoen unvote so we can maintain discussion time for now-
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so I mean... in what way is that argument not equally applicable to me re:killing the conftown?
whereas viewed overall this is clearly an easier ELO for you than the alternative, but in particular this is a much worse ELO for me than the alternative
like frog was already susp of you, and was more active than me/more likely to be perceived as town, bringing malc instead is just throwing
my guess is that you weren't sure if you were making progress on frog and you weren't sure where I'd go, whereas I'm prob an easier target and this way you knew exactly who you'd be playing against-
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this makes zero sense and totally disregards my ability to read up overnight? also we'll pick up on this later, but I think it's disingenuous to not think that my reads would change from pre-Galron-or-NM-flips after those both came round -- but I never got the chance to talk about either until nowIn post 448, Dwlee99 wrote:Given you hadn't expressed a read by virtue of not being around at all yesterday, I have no reason to not at least try bringing frog here in case you scumread them over me. The only perspective it makes sense to bring conftown to ELO is when you know everyone's positions: which only you could have as scum because, again, you weren't around yesterday
NM was going down yesterday regardless of what you did, and your play around him was in no way clearing -- firstly because ofc scum are bussing there) and the speed of your vote actually was antitown bc it let NM drop the self and end day early, which is actually v convenient when you wanna, let's say, target someone who hasn't posted before they get a chance toIn post 450, Dwlee99 wrote:I also buried NM yesterday by pointing out how Malcolm being roleblocked is essentially a guilty on NM
mmmmIn post 451, Dwlee99 wrote:
Also this post is like hard leaning in to trying to mislim meIn post 394, Not_Mafia wrote:Yeah I was faking, half to try and draw the NK, half for shiggles. Koba kill is... interesting. It feels like a wifom kill but why would scum not want the dwlee-Koba conflict in ELo?
this is also bad, and I think speaks to how you're trying to narrativise this and engage without good faithIn post 452, Dwlee99 wrote:
Your argument is actually hella contradictory too now that I look at your reads! You say frogs was obviously town so I wouldn't bring him, but if I were scum and was looking for who to bring to ELO... you had frogs lower than me. You didn't even remember your own fake readIn post 337, The Muffin Man wrote:Gimme til tomorrow to actually catch up but from after the flips
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my reads have obviously changed, and I think it was p easy to predict that frog would go up in reads --> he was consistently applying pressure to NM on d2 and was the hardest pusher on D3 when the flip happened. I think that given that you were also gonna have to go for the bussing play, you didn't want to go against frog who you'd have to also argue he'd bussed too when he was looking better than you in the interactions between the two
In post 454, Dwlee99 wrote:Like why would I bring conftown instead of "nonconftown that townread me over frog"
It's -EV in two waysIn post 455, Dwlee99 wrote:And last quoted post by Frogs is Koba saying I'm ic levels of town
in reference to these three posts:In post 456, Dwlee99 wrote:So for me to be scum I
1.) Didn't shoot conftown
2.) Shot a person with momentum to townread me
3.) Shot a person that was more scumread than me by the last remaining townie
4.) Didn't shoot conftown???
Like what?
again, your entire argument for me being scum is that I apparently would do these things? which I'm assuming is based on this being a new account, but I'm quite obviously not a new player
but yah, your entire pitch here fails to account for why I don't just shoot the conftown (when a frog/dwlee/me endgame doubles my odds of getting a vote on town and I only close down my options while still having to 1v1 there if scum so.... it's like ???? as an explanation for me either)
you're arguing that frog had momentum to TR you --> I don't think his engaging with you is the same thing as "momentum to TR", it's just part of assessing? I certainly don't think that based on his final posts you'd have had any sort of confidence that you had brought him round enough for him not to insta-vote you
and for the 3rd bit again that you'd have to be assuming my reads were unchanged and I don't think that's something you realistically think if being honest-
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okay i'm ngl, not sure i should mention this but:In post 460, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Not that NM's read list here exactly went into detail, but I don't see why they put their teammate so high up. Also don't believe NM would jump onto the final vote of an initial bandwagon started by his teammate, personally feels a bit too obvious.In post 352, Not_Mafia wrote:Mod said I have to post content or whatever so here's a readslist
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My only concern re MM is that they did push that initial bandwagon but have been largely quiet riding the game out since then without much suspicion. There's a certain convenience to that, but we'd have to be extremely unlucky statistically for my role check on MM to end up being mafia as opposed to townie.
NM would 100% hammer in any circumstance and you shouldn't be clearing me off that
also your check on me should be disregarded now that we know that NM was rb. mechanically dwlee and I are equally likely, you need to base your decision here on play-
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you don't get points for killing people who have SR you then getting out in front by saying that it's a frame job homieIn post 469, Dwlee99 wrote:Like he completely sets up this interaction:
Make Koba scumread me by saying I'm not a power role -> kill koba -> try to frame me for the kill.-
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also I'm trying to get out of the multipost habit but:In post 465, Dwlee99 wrote:But also, yea, muffin has been coasting off nothing for three days.
this is exactly why dwlee brings me to elo. he can't easily pin down on why I'm scummy, so he's focusing on lack of activity (which if you wanna try to explain why that's scummy as opposed to NAI, go for it) and trying really hard to build a narrative of why I would choose this Elo and he wouldn't (despite the fact that all the reasons for him not choosing it apply just as much to me if not more so)
anyway, malc, is this helpful or nah? I can be around and respond to dwlee if you like, if you wanna ask me about what I was thinking at certain points in the game I can do that insofar as I remember, but like lowkey idk if any of that really makes choosing easier and I stand by the fact that highest accuracy in elo comes from looking at past days (the main reason why I'm even talking today is bc I know my content has been low and therefore I figure it might be harder to base a choice just off that)-
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gg all
thanks for modding, andante
@malc, for what it’s worth that was a tough spot to be in. I do think that generally elo decisions are best made on the strength only of prior days but the other thing to consider is whether a player is the kind who tends more towards playing mechanically (a la our charming co-mod S_S) or someone who likes to set up a particular endgame and play for that (more my style, but obv it was impossible for you to know that at the time)
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