Open 854 | Eurybia's Curse | Game Over!

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VOTE: marcistar this is a MUCH better wagon than the worst, the worst is town

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good point VOTE: Beat

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I trust everyone. does that make me scum.

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I trust everyone. does that make me scum.

Duck that avatar doesn't even look like a duck, this is unacceptable

don't you think my cat is cute?

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I shall proceed as though marci as town

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I trust everyone. does that make me scum.

Duck that avatar doesn't even look like a duck, this is unacceptable

don't you think my cat is cute?

Honestly a cat wasn't even in my top 50 guesses for what it was

Now that you mention it I do see it though, I love it

what did you think it was??


pedit: I'm enjoying your energy it's a vibey take

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y'all are fucking terrible at perceiving felines

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are you scum again meuh

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like me with rolling town

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are you scum again meuh

why do u think this?

it wasn't sincere - we tunnelled each other for ages in a trust fall game. I don't think meuh has done anything ai yet

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pretty sure that's 3/3 let's wrap this one up

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ok I'm pretty comfortable w my vote

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can you talk me through your marci = hard town read?

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Beat have we played together before? Not asking you to out who your main is if you're an alt

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it's happening again and I'm really sad

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do any other wagons appeal to you rn skitter?

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Idk I think I want something spicier to happen

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y'all are fucking terrible at perceiving felines

UNVOTE: i have a harder time seeing worsty post this as scum

i assumed your vote was a joke, what is your metric for whether a post resembles my scum meta exactly?

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probably the latter so we can have more fun before the inevitable?

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it's the cat, isn't it? <3

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FUMING.

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other than the fact I'm really cute do you have any other like potent reads so far? / take on beat/the beat wagon?

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Also as the resident skitter apologist she is probably town this game as well given two mind melds already

this read is getting a firm "duly noted" -- the last time I was playing actively with skitter, mindmelding with her made me nervous. :p

I feel like there's enough about her motives that I struggled to discern that in another timeline I think I probably voted her yesterday but I don't really *want* to in this timeline and I agree with enough of her content that I think im also leaning slightly town?

this response changed trajectory in a way I didn't expect

86 reads like scum stream of consciousness more than town stream of consciousness to me. It feels like the possibility that Cakez is faking unawareness of the gamestate is being seriously considered and presented as content, even though that's actually an extremely rare thing (and beat is some flavor of seasoned). I think town would more firmly reject including the possibility with any prominence after making a felt-judgment to just rule it out (especially if the final conclusion is green); scum!beat however has an incentive to present it as content because it's not impossible for it to happen in a mafia game and it's reasoning process for developing a read

I initially had a similar gut dislike of this post as skitter did, it felt a bit contrived and over-explainy, but at the same time if it was entirely bullshit I think Isis would be a bit more self-aware of it being a bullshit push? The more I thought through the reasoning in this post the less I found it scummy

I had a similar kneejerk reaction, I thought it was kind of a lot but it is actually a very Isis read. Do you have a read on Isis atp?

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isis posts too much words but ends up saying nothing of value most of the time, but the rare post where theres value I like so isis town question mark?

meuh, i cant explain it.. like her posts dont really look bad at a glance... but something deep down is telling me we've got to be wary about her.

excuse me rude this was gonna be my secret twist read
I think GL's vote isn't one I will be following rn but it was a good vote

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Ok I am like 100% sure of one scum and the only hint I will give about this person's identity is that the avatar is a tiger.

is it the worst?

Frankie is a fierce tiger. you're my favourite.

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Looking over the messages and so far i'm getting townie vibes from both the Tiger PFPs

could you expand on what you're seeing a bit?

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stop? but I'm just sheeping you?

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VOTE: Meuh good call tbh, fast and loose is a much better play than slow and steady

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opens thread -

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ok y'all have fun bye

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lmao we have the same hobby. idk my aesthetic is more "I escaped from the office 30 seconds ago" and sun dresses might kind of detract from that. they're cute tho !!

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whos the dude in ur pfp

the dude

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<3

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i have a tiara i wasted money on that i never wear

we all know im a princess tho so i keep it

yea it's a sign of status not an item of clothing tbh good buy

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I think post#414 is an excerpt from my biography.......

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ok I need to go. I'm gonna be level I just opened the post to say something towny and then leave. have a lovely day everyone.

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extra sparkle is always a net positive in a tiara

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i just!!! don't need anymoer sundresses!!!!! my entire wardrobe is just outfits sown together from various sundresses!!!!!!!!! i have a sundress cocktail dress!!!!!!!!!!

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probably gonna stay on meuh? I liked cakez' skitter read but I can't remember like anything else he's done this game

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please stop encouraging people to vote town!!!

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I'm p much done with irl stuff now and will be a bit more engaging (but honestly probably more about mafia than sundresses I'm sorrey)

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GL is probably my strongest townread?

I think Marci's alignment is probably going to win the game so I'm hoping I'm part of it!! & I also have 0 other non-tonal reads on the entire remainder of the sundress core.

I want Titus and Isis to be town.

Who's going to carry me on the other 8 slots v_v

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I claim scum irl
sadly this game is not so easy!!

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why meuh town?

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humour me too why do you townread GL?

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flashin back to my scum glory days, that group is literally something I would base my entire game plan around belonging to lol

I'm like also not going to get you all right aorn so please accept the tepid take

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like obvisiusly the feeling of dread is here because im usually nowhere near the top poster so it feels like SOMETHING is wrong but maybe im paranoid

ari was my best dress of who in sundresses could be scum, but i could also see meuh idk

I still feel more motivated to push meuh than ari at the moment fwiw

why are you town on pav?

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like obvisiusly the feeling of dread is here because im usually nowhere near the top poster so it feels like SOMETHING is wrong but maybe im paranoid

ari was my best dress of who in sundresses could be scum, but i could also see meuh idk

I still feel more motivated to push meuh than ari at the moment fwiw

why are you town on pav?

im ~not really~ feeling confident on my read on pav, but he doesnt have the worst vibes here so :shrug:

IDK I FEEL LIKE ARI BEING SCUM WOULD BE A FUNNY MOMENT, like shes so beautiful its distracting me... >///////<

I'm having such a nice time so I'm going to elect to smile and laugh and not think about that because I don't think this game needs ari and i yelling at each other for 40 pages!!

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VOTE: Gamma

@meuh please pretend I'm still voting you next time you log on

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if I actually received a scum role pm I think I would just be FROZEN and CRYING IN THE SCUM PT THE ENTIRE GAME

stop baiting me

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I'm going to say one thing then move on: Ari's gamestate awareness is v high and she is good at working out which pockets she needs and how to manoeuvre into a situation where she needs them.

She's also UNFORTUNATELY also quite funny and good company so she just pockets people as either alignment

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wouldn't want to accidentally hammer her before she got her sundress

forgive me attempting a mercy killing

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they're probably the two people I'm most interested in seeing more from. cakez' points are like, slightly compelling, but not convincing - Gamma just seems really really utr

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I'm going to say one thing then move on: Ari's gamestate awareness is v high and she is good at working out which pockets she needs and how to manoeuvre into a situation where she needs them.

She's also UNFORTUNATELY also quite funny and good company so she just pockets people as either alignment

awwwwwwwwwwwww

you're too cute duckie I haven't even been trying to read the game state I've just been having fun because my girlfriends are absolutely party animals.

you will be hearing from my solicitors

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also try-harding makes people hate me and I am trying to turn over a new leaf and become a more fun person because winning is not as important as having FUN

mmhm this resonates

it doesn't make you easier to read but it also reduces polarity which is

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Gamma just seems really really utr

huh?

i dont think any1 townreads gamma?

I don't think I've read a single read on Gamma and I kinda forgot she was in the game D:

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I'm going to say one thing then move on: Ari's gamestate awareness is v high and she is good at working out which pockets she needs and how to manoeuvre into a situation where she needs them.

She's also UNFORTUNATELY also quite funny and good company so she just pockets people as either alignment

i would prob be an amazin pocket tbh

i do ANYTHING for ppl i townread

but idk how easy ppl find it to pocket me

ya you seem more wary than the random player so idk what assessment to make esp. d1/no flips/etc. just making an observation.

haven't you spent like $250 at the influence of your townreads this game? ... point taken

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whys the feeling of dread still here..

it's the ~~curse~~

idk I feel anxious about this game as well. it's a strong plist and scum are unlikely to just phone it in. Mafia is thrilling anxiety or something.

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money ain't a thing when you're having fun with the girls

i have this phrase tattooed on my soul

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Mafia is thrilling anxiety or something.

u would know well about that huh

anxiety incarnate here

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money ain't a thing when you're having fun with the girls

i have this phrase tattooed on my soul

if I don't look at my credit card bills they don't exist

amen omg you shouldn't be shaded for being too clever to pay for things.

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why are scum unlikely to bus? I'd bus like crazy d1 here

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why are scum unlikely to bus? I'd bus like crazy d1 here

like what ur doing rn?

upside down cowboy emoji

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how can I fake a townslip when i:good:'m town lol

but no like I'd take the disadvantage if it obfuscated the scum who 100% need to escape.

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I'm kind of more interested in meuh's perspective though

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this setup is Coalition right? lol what's daychat

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how can I fake a townslip when i:good:'m town lol

but no like I'd take the disadvantage if it obfuscated the scum who 100% need to escape.

your alignment is like Schrodinger's cat to me.

I'm sure at some point when I settle on a read for you it will 100% be wrong.

>__>

how do you think I feel about you!!!!!!

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why are scum unlikely to bus? I'd bus like crazy d1 here

like what ur doing rn?

upside down cowboy emoji

u didnt deny...

why would i? i hope i am bussing, i just don't know who to bus!!!

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I am absolutely a murderer. not one of those nasty SCUMS who wants nothing but to safely escape. no way.

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outside of the tiara episode I think the way she's approached this game has played to her town skillset better than her scum skillset. tea leaves say she's more likely to be town but she occupies the titus part of my brain where I'm well aware she's within her scumrange.

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a little ya it's all I got

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i don't really get the pressure on beat, i think she's like, fine

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isn't she a major wagon?

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it's literally just titus, my bad

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i think it's something i need to work through about ari to quench perpetual paranoia.

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i'm not shading you at all ?

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i think that you're approaching this game the way you approach town games. i don't remember talking about your scumrange?

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oh i did say you're well within your scumrange. like, you are. i just think you're town.

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i townread you largely on gut and was asked to get granular about that read - i don't really have a lot else to say. it's just gut.

it's kind of hard to like explain "townie motivation" for speaking the way i speak. i'm not motivated. i'm just doing me.

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Why is 64 degrees plus wind-chill in June this state is broken

june is winter!

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it's 11c here, partly cloudy and very humid. very nice weather for wearing

jumpers

30 sundresses.

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he's a real cat omg wtf

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here's the original
he's so precious

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i'm not that cute

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thank you, you're both too kind. i'm pretty cute, but literally nothing is as cute as my cats.

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what about my cats hmm??

i haven't met them but they're cats so they're already strong contenders

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Gamma just seems really really utr

how

you were wagoned and then it dissolved quickly for (afaict) no reason
i think cakez is the only person i've seen express a read on you

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definitely under the radar in my thesaurus - universal townread is something i'd rather quantify than acronym away but my brain is defs more edgic than mafia

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qualify* more than quantify idk it's not a term that vibes w me

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have you played survivor on mafiascum? the survivor part of the website is really lovely.

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Never tried it out, no! I would play, but none of the threads there seem active

it's all played via offsite forums! just keep an eye out on the subforum for when a new game goes up, applications are usually via DM to the host

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i don't play often at all, but i hope i catch you in one someday!!!

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if anyone can find a sundress in my size I guess I'll join in

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Irrel is great

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sharp tooth* if u mean me

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pea sized brain #2 reporting in

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HIGH FIVE!!!!!

skitter & isis' conversation feels earnest.

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probably not a lot? i just feel like the way both of them are approaching this conversation feels earnest!

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i still townread isis and i'm really struggling to get a read on skitter which i feel any level of confidence on BUT i haven't felt like she's doing things insincerely yet which feels misaligned with how she does things as scum

pedit: me? not sure, lemme check

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fuck. i am town in open 854. fuck!!! what am i doing?!!!?!>

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This is a weird setup, and I don't think this looks like Isis approaching it as scum. less superficially she's made several decisions which cost favour in exchange for advancing reads (I'll say "anti-charismatic" decisions lahtough that isn't quite the right word). I think if she's pushing you to further an agenda, she's doing it in a way that isn't likely to misalign the game - similarly to how she's positing that i look like scum - it feels more like that's just the way she's processing our slots.

i think her argument about my semantic issue with my townread on her was, like, not accurate but felt like it came from a place of critical thinking rather than a place of deliberately overlooking things in order to achieve a certain read on me.

i don't really feel like isis pursuing these reads without pushing them while adding weight to the cakez wagon comes from a place of someone who is aligned with a scum in cakez/gamma.

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what do u think of beat

Townlean but not strongly

I'm also a little worried abt ari now that i think abt it

this feels more like scum!skitter realizing she forgot to fake paranoia on me than say

town!skitter thinking i might be scum

what does town!skitter who thinks you might be scum say here

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that.. does not sound anything like a reliable tonal tell on skitter but go off i guess

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hehehehehehehehe

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how to delete threads from egosearch

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sry wrong tab

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the wave of seasickness has passed and i am, like, really interested in isis' input when she's around

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1) please pat pandora from me

2) i like i think skitter's ari read is towny

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when did we start talking about TUF

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VOTE: TUF actually this one speaks to my soul a little

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i'm here for GL. i wonder what he's doing right now.

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like there's really three ways this goes down:

(1) town skitter has a correct townread on town gamma and ends this wagon by hard defending - which ok sure that's good yay!

or

(2) scum skitter defends scum gamma and ends this wagon. eventually one of you or gamma have to escape - the other one gets autokilled immediately afterwards and town wins.

or

(3) town skitter bails out scum gamma - which is the most amusing one to me and worth losing the game for

i feel like you're looking at skitter's read as something more than it is (or posturing) :/

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aristeia have you been abducted by evil space aliens and replaced by an evil space alien in an aristeia costume? don't answer; blink twice if i'm right.

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Spoiler: no space aliens.

i have it on good intel that aristeia has now blinked twice. proceed warily.

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I'm gonna read the room and see if my vanity vote on TUF is cute or not then decide if I'm joining the Ari wagon

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sense of dread is returning

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I’m not really getting the impression Isis v Skitter is a T/T situation tbh

If there’s scum there I’d lean towards Skitter at the moment

What makes you think this?

Specifically why do you think it would be me over isis?

I got generally good vibes from both Skitter and Isis earlier on, but I think Skitter's case against Isis felt a bit... superfluous I guess? Stuff like opaqueness of posting being brought up seems like a reach. Like it's something I struggled with too, (350) but it being brought up as a reason for a scumread?...
Skitter's push against Isis feels more like a "I dislike how you're playing this game" than a "I think you're scum this game" if that makes any sense. and for that I'm not sure it's well-intentionned.
It has made me question that push a bit more.

this is kind of why i townread skitter actually. she's *talking* about those things, and using them as conversation pieces, but i feel like her actual votes/pushes have felt fueled by more significant alignment indicators? more like alerting them to her concerns and challenging them to explain/adapt which is less of an agenda tell and more of like, a tell that her thoughts are probably more likely to be genuine.

this is why i'm coming around on skitter. scum!skitter has a lot of ammunition to push people, and she's rarely afraid to make a push. i kinda just feel like she's parsing people instead of pushing them?


pedit: why beat

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what about the way those two have been positioned is bothering you?
i feel like those two players are probably getting the easiest townreads of anyone. but i'm also not in a camp where i disagree with any of the reads either?

why do you townread titus & why does titus being town make your vote on beat matter?

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i feel so oppressed.

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mb talk about who you want to kill for what reasons

that always helps

that sounds like an AWFUL time, i'm just going to continue voting w/o explanation and acting sad

VOTE: meuh

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couldn't if i tried.

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i think my not trusting meuh is making me pretty hesitant to join a beat wagon but my read on beat has really nulled out

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every single thing TUF posts feels... like... profoundly fake...

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i got pedited to oblivion there but ???? case in point ??

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I'm here I think - today was busy and I'm not like totally absolutely caught up.

VOTE: Ari

I also am starting to not hate the Beat wagon

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Evening friends, I am home after an 8 hour drive and I dropped an edible, AMA while I review and while I'm still coherent

how do u feel about space? what's your favourite galaxy?

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Ok so Gamma was wagoned before I left, then unwagoned, then wagoned again, and is now slightly less wagoned but still a leading wagon (as of last VC)

That's ... kinda wild

Meanwhile Gamma votes Meuh, Cakez, Aristeia, and now Cakez again

Gamma is almost always cross-voting somebody (though I guess I don't see the timing without digging in deeper). That's interesting.

interesting indeedy. do you think it's ai?

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fart noise

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Evening friends, I am home after an 8 hour drive and I dropped an edible, AMA while I review and while I'm still coherent

how do u feel about space? what's your favourite galaxy?

Space is my favorite, galaxies suck, nebulas are where it's at

nebulae are really cute yeah. what's your third favourite planet in our solar system?

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those planet responses are thoroughly acceptable.

and because I forgot I was still voting meuh!!
VOTE: Ari

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what were you hoping to discern from asking me that tho

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I'm here I think - today was busy and I'm not like totally absolutely caught up.

VOTE: Ari

I also am starting to not hate the Beat wagon

those planet responses are thoroughly acceptable.

and because I forgot I was still voting meuh!!
VOTE: Ari

also, did you answer my question about Meuh? What's your current read there and why? You said you were worried about Meuh on the Beat wagon but I don't know if I remember or understand why you scumread Meuh

i didn't catch a question from you about meuh i don't think!!

i sincerely have no idea how the hell to read meuh. i think her primary motivation in this game is to have fun with friends which is neutral. i wasn't vibing with a lot of her AI/game related content and felt like a lot of her pushes & her activity around the beat wagon were opportunistic in a vacuum, which was probably informed by my starting to like beat, but looking back i can't really remember why i liked beat and i kinda think meuh's elaboration on that push is probably kind of fine?

not confident on meuh at all

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not really into pav being concerned about vanity wagons and then asking me why i was voting someone i wasn't even voting

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that is kinda funny though

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I'm getting a little concerned abt tw too ...

i think concerning is my natural state!

i'm finally feeling *less* concerned about you. gut tells me that we'll probably find each other before this game is over, so i'm not super stressed rn.

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like duckie's just trying to trigger me atp and I dunno what beat is doing.

not sure scum!duck tries to trigger me with intentionally bad faith play

it's a weird look

this makes me feel kind of sick. you seem really quick to attribute my behaviour to malice. like, the catch here is that i very literally have no idea what you're talking about.

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little jealous timezones disqualify me from the stoned mafia!! getting high and looking for liars on the internet is such a vibe.

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Ok so Gamma was wagoned before I left, then unwagoned, then wagoned again, and is now slightly less wagoned but still a leading wagon (as of last VC)

That's ... kinda wild

Meanwhile Gamma votes Meuh, Cakez, Aristeia, and now Cakez again

Gamma is almost always cross-voting somebody (though I guess I don't see the timing without digging in deeper). That's interesting.

interesting indeedy. do you think it's ai?

do you think it's ai?

how is reversing a question that i'd just asked someone else "a good faith question"? like why would i ever be incentivised to answer this when you asked it?

i think gamma's specific brand of explosion is probably town indicative. i don't think that's specifically because of the vote pattern pav was looking at though and i was interested in him expanding.

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which maybe i fucked up by talking about space too much

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.....omfg i only just realised that was funny

that's excellent

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how is reversing a question that i'd just asked someone else "a good faith question"? like why would i ever be incentivised to answer this when you asked it?

i think gamma's specific brand of explosion is probably town indicative. i don't think that's specifically because of the vote pattern pav was looking at though and i was interested in him expanding.

you're asking him a question which implies you've thought about it yourself if you're town.

you are incentivized to answer me because you want me to sort you correctly

especially

if I get flipped today because in the case that I'm town you want me to slot you correctly. If I don't slot you correctly there's a fairly good chance I can kill you from the grave and that likely leads to a town loss.

i feel zero pressure to be read correctly by you. i don't think you're town here, and i trust 1) actual town to get me right; 2) myself to react to a gamestate where i need to be easier to read. my priority here is to sort other slots. my answering that question explicitly signals to pav what i'm looking for in a response and disallows me to use that line of enquiry to sort a slot i'm not confident on (pav).



pedit: allergic ;(

this is not a complicated or niche situation. this is how sorting people works.

i didn't "fart noise" because i don't want to engage with you. i "fart noise"d to signal that my answering that question would be a misplay on my part. idk, another active player on this site has accused me of being a bully as well so maybe i am just toxic. what you're reading into that response is far from my intention though.

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i kind of feel like the basis of this conversation is that if i don't play a specific way, i am not a good person, and that's a hard premise to engage with. i also don't think your question was town motivated ("sincerity" or whatever is kind of moot in the middle of a social deception game). i'm fine leaving this as an impasse, would you be ok chatting about it post-game?

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perhaps more pertinently, we do not have many miselims in this game. high stakes etc.

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given d1 is easily the lowest risk phase there's a big ol part of me that wants to just flashlim TUF .....

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how so?

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too out of it to be partnered imo
doesn't know people and doesn't know what's going on, doesn't seem to be getting help wrt how to interact with the forum, etc

i could be wrong but it would be a p convincing act

i saw that argument made earlier in the game and feel like i'd be remiss to put any stock in it tbh

apparently i'm also the only one who also feels like TUF is playing it up?

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at no point did i suggest gamma emerald AtEing is town indicative. that's very far from how i play.

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at no point did i suggest gamma emerald AtEing is town indicative. that's very far from how i play.

what do you think of gamma voting beat?

I think it's fine? as opposed to what

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1) does Gamma think you/beat is 2/2? that's, like, a read I'd want an explanation on. I haven't really thought about it that deeply yet.

2) was not talking about Gamma AtEing being towny. I think Gamma AtEing is a strong indicator that Gamma is emotional and a poor indicator of Gamma's alignment.

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you said it was town indicative

this is going in the weirdest circle i'm out

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ok what does it mean

that when gamma was under pressure her reads suddenly developed a lot, and she went from being completely low-profile to interacting with literally everything.

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i remember when i was terrified of laga. those were simpler days.

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reach heaven

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through
just
flipping someone
preferably ari
I have a headache

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don't flip table
more importantly, im sorry you're feeling down and hope tomorrow is brighter.

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also not really feeling all that confident outside of like, a few core reads. I fully intend to channel ultimate magical genius ydrasse and dunk on the deepest scum on d4, seizing victory from the jaws of defeat.

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now I've unveiled my plan I'm probably just going to die

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VOTE: Ari =_____=

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we will misyeet today and ari will escape tonight.

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without putting any pressure against her other scumreads or looking for another lim?

yes?

I think scum are always incentivised to do things which look good without actually advancing the gamestate?

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Tw why is ari scum?
Pedit same

because if she's not i have no idea how to solve this game.

i think her actions towards the beat wagon were motivated by securing the elim and by looking like, half-ok along the way -- i think beat was a reasonably easy target regardless of her alignment, and i think ari going for anyone else would have been significantly harder.

the way she's trying another sideways angle this phase feels like she's just desperately trying to keep a door open and stuff like --

i think theres a good chance we just lose if we flip me here but i dont really have a lot of energy this game because I am confused by whats going on so if you need me to flip to solve then it's w/e - I'm fine with it.

-- this is like literally exactly scum!ari's wincon. she doesn't need to go deep and she doesn't need to look good. she was under heat d1, she needs to get a couple of elims and get out.

i feel like i mostly townread the beat wagon and i can see ari as the manipulative aspect in that wagon.

admittedly i also kinda just wish we'd yeeted ari d1 because she makes a *lot* of noise when under pressure and it makes it a lot harder for me to focus

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i just didnt feel like i had many options at all at eod - I don't understand what duckie expects town!me to do differently there.

you're kinda right, idrk what town!you does differently there. i'm just wary that when you came under pressure, you became confident that the easy alternative was scum - and i find it hard to believe that the beat wagon was entirely town motivated.

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[quote="In post 1719, Aristeia"][/quote]
this dismisses a lot of my feelings in favour of zooming in on a footnote. u_u

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i really do not think you're town here. i'm not really prepared to waste miselims but if i think someone is scum *and* removing them from the game makes my life easier, yeah i'm going to push them.

i'm good at visualising late gamestates. i don't have the energy or time not to do it tbh.

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i don't owe anyone more of my time than i'm willing to give. end of discussion.

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holy fuck i am so sick of you

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i have a life and things happening in the real world. i've completed a house move and am in the busiest work month of my year. i have friends and hobbies and other things going on. i also have other hobbies and things online. i am going to dedicate the time i can afford to dedicate to this game, and no more. i'm past the point in my mafia career where i value tilting and spamming up a game more highly than i value my own stress management & mental health.

you implying that my pushing you isn't valid because i'm not putting more time into the game is really baffling.

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First bit:
- tbf from either alignment beat getting flipped over her is strictly better, not sure this is ai
- i kinda do think gamma was viable and do question why she settled for beat over gamma

Second bit:
- who do u townread on the beat wagon, i do *not* townread most of it?
- dunno why scum-ari is fine with getting flipped today, this seems strictly anti-wincon to me? So not sure i understand your point
- like you seem to have the opposite takeaway from ari's pos that i do, she seems to be fine getting flipped, you're saying she's not

First bit:
- tbf from either alignment beat getting flipped over her is strictly better, not sure this is ai
- i kinda do think gamma was viable and do question why she settled for beat over gamma

Second bit:
- who do u townread on the beat wagon, i do *not* townread most of it?
- dunno why scum-ari is fine with getting flipped today, this seems strictly anti-wincon to me? So not sure i understand your point
- like you seem to have the opposite takeaway from ari's pos that i do, she seems to be fine getting flipped, you're saying she's not

first bit: that's fair. like i might be being selfish because i would have liked an ari flip better d1.

second bit:
- i still like titus (crying in pedits), gl, i think i like gamma, and i ... actually admittedly i don't know about isis.
- i really want to townread marci but i'm nervous. i don't know about meuh.
- you're my only townread off-wagon. i think this town is really easy to manipulate.
- i really do not think ari is fine with getting flipped today. i think she's making the right noises while takign every action she can to *not* be eliminated and i think after d1 that this plist is likely something she feels comfortable about manipulating as either alignment.

pedit:

i mean scum!you faking a push on me is comfortable letting me live and letting me yeet town!beat

because you are in a lot better position now than if you had yeeted town!me yesterday

thats why i am confused about the mismatch between your conviction and how hard you pushed me.

like i dont get why thats not a doubt im allowed to have??

this is literally fine. this is also a far cry from implying that i didn't 'try hard enough' to deserve an elim i wanted.

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i understand based on your elaboration. that is not what i took away from your original post.

pedit: good god