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Hahahahaha, are you referring to any past bad experiences with gambits, yabba?yabbaguy wrote:My only rule: Don't do bullshit gambits, or bullshit in general. Your bullshit will be discarded, or you will be discarded for bullshitting.
And who doesn't like a good gambit! They're so fun!I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Cast a random vote, Blastinus. It'll help get discussion going.Blastinus wrote:/in. Sorry for making you wait.
You don't recognise Nikanor? I'm offended!Snow_Bunny wrote:Vote: dramonic
Only one I can recognize!
As a side note, your false reasoning for your random vote makes it look like early distancing.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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What? Games here usually start with an random voting stage to get the game off the ground. If you don't like random votes, fine. Just don't expect that to be the normal opinion around this site.Iguana wrote:
Why? You are going to base a serious vote on a random vote reasoning?Nikanor wrote:It'll help get discussion going.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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You realise that that is how a baseless wagon is built, right? On that note, why aren't you trying to build a baseless wagon?Iguana wrote:
Yes, it brings more tells then "vote <player> for <joke>"Nikanor wrote:
So you agree that baseless bandwagonning is good for discussion and tells?Iguana wrote:Now, this is accomplished by a baseless wagon too, and I think it actually brings out more tells then random phases, which can usually be forgotten by "its random"I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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[quote="Iganua]On a side note, how serious were you about your comment to SB? [/quote]
I was completely serious. It looks like false reasoning for a distancing vote, as I said before.
Good. Now, are you trying to build a baseless wagon, or do you have some other reason for voting me?Though I had voted in that second post of mine already
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It's a conditional scumtell. If one of Snow_Bunny or dramonic flips scum, I'm going to look back at that 'random' vote. For now, I'll ignore it, though.Iguana wrote:Somewhere in between. There was no clear wagon leader, but since you are openly saying that you see a scumtell on someone, why arent you persuing the wagon at all?I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Yeah, it was a joke, haha. Considering the thread was just opened today, I don't think we can conclusively call anyone a lurker just yet.Hyl wrote:What. There's like a total of 50 posts, and 15 that should be even counted as relevant. That comment was a bit overzealous, no?
EBWOP: I considered that you might be joking, but seeing how you're the most serious person in the game so far I wasn't sure.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Is there anything that has caught your eye from the last few pages? Anything you want to comment on?yabbaguy wrote:@Nik-69: In this case, the lack thereof. If it isn't plainly obvious, despite two goddamned Yankees fans in this house, I haven't voted either. That's probably a big tip-off that I don't want to play that random voting game today.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Hey, who said I wasn't going to vote the last person to get 10 posts? I said we couldn't call anyone a lurkerHead_Honcho wrote:FoS: Nikanor
BACKPEDALING ON LAST PERSON TO GET TEN POSTS POLICYyet. By the time nineteen people get ten posts, we should be able to safely call someone a lurker.
FoS: Head_Honcho.For purposefully posting in caps lock.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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The first sentence was a joke. The second can be serious if I want it to be. It depends. If we've caught scum, I'm not going to drop my vote on that person to pursue a lurker.Nikanor wrote:Everyone here who doesn't have at least 10 posts is obv lurkinng. The last one here to score his 10th post will score a vote from Nikanor.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Actually, I thought we were still in the RVS. I just wanted his opinion on when it had ended.H_H wrote:the only thing more useless than RVS is spending day one discussing the merits of RVS. I am going to unvote vote: Nikanor for trying to send us down the very distracting 'when do you think RVS ended' path.
Yeah. For those of you wondering, by 'single vote' I meant people whose random votes on a person were unaccompanied.Toro wrote:So not having a vote down in RVS is enough for you to declare someone anti-town huh?
Do you have anything else to say, Toro?
Yes it does.Blastinus wrote:But that doesn't make me Scum.
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You're still on that? How about I give you $10 and this all goes away, eh?Iguana wrote:So are they town or scum for now? Thats actually really streaching for a scumtell, which is why I like my style a bit more, people get jumpy. Uneasy is easier to read then jokey.
To be serious, though, conditional scumtells don't mean anything on day one. As I said before, it only matters if one of them flips scum. I never said it negatively affected my opinions of them for now.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Still wrong. Please admit to not knowing anything before trying to explain to others.Blastinus wrote:There's a BIG difference between being Scummy and being Anti-Town, Col. Cathart. One of them means you're the Mafia specifically, the other one means that you're a class that opposes the town, like the Serial Killer and so forth.
Anti-town means it's against the town. That does not necessarily make the person scum (scum being both the mafia and the sk in this game). In fact, some anti-town actions, such as self-voting in frustration, can be considered a towntell.
Scummy means the motivation for doing that thing is designed to hurt the town rather than help it.
Well, it's better than some people who vote one person and look nowhere else. That's called tunnelling, if you don't know.Blastinus wrote:Randomly accusing people on the slightest of pretenses seems, at the very least, to be against the well-being of the town.
Jumping on my bandwagon for bad reasoning makes you look bad, Blastinus.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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I see. I like my definition better.Blastinus wrote:Different board, different vocabulary. The definition I gave was how the distinction was made on the board I was on before here.
Not true. Other people have given understandable justification for their vote.Blastinus wrote:it's only "bad reasoning" because it's a vote against you. You said yourself that NOT jumping on a bandwagon is anti-town, therefore by voting to get rid of you, like four other people, I must be pro-town. Unless you're saying that your previous statement only applies to bandwagons that aren't against you.
Also, your reasoning was not that you wanted to look more pro-town by following what I said and jumping on a wagon. Your reasoning was that (and I'm saying it this way because you did not correct my previous post) I was not tunnelling. That is bad reasoning, and not even understandable of a town player in the least.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Haha, the emotes indicate jokes. I seem to be making a lot of those, hehe.yabba wrote:That said, I find it interesting how Nik's really screwing around this game, with an emote practically every first line he posts.
Believe it or not, I am scumhunting. The jokes and emotes help to loosen the scum and take me less seriously.That said, I find it interesting how Nik's really screwing around this game, with an emote practically every first line he posts.
Bandwagons can help town, even random ones. Bandwagon analysis often leads to more information for town in the endgame, with most of the players of confirmed alignments. Therefore, bandwagons are pro-town, and not creating bandwagons is anti-town. Also, what Iguana said.Toro wrote:True, now tell me your logic.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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I'm too lazy to actually address everything I want to, so I'll just say this:
As the first to point out the obvious and call my behaviour in this game townish, Blastinus earns himself big town-points, especially since I'm an opposing bandwagon for him. In fact, I'm confident enough toUnvote.
(Correct me if I'm wrong about the 'first to call Nik's behaviour protown' thing. Just tell me if you said it before now, and I'll award town-points accordingly).I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Oh great, you just outed the lovers. (What do you mean, there are no lovers in this game?)yabbaguy wrote:I'll have to investigate the Nik-Blastinus love connection later.
I don't see how Iguana's WIFOM is scummy. Then again, I'm the guy who lies about his role as town and then expects the rest of the town to eat the WIFOM I feed them when I tell them I was fakeclaiming.
I was going to say that Pom was scummy for being non-committal in her wording before I realised she was thirteen (non-committal wording is fairly common in younger players, since they often lack confidence).
I think dramonic is town, but at the same time I find his attacks against Iguana unfair.
He's Toro. It fits his meta.yabba wrote:Also... I'd like you to explain your rationale for why your posts have one line or one argument in them in a game where there are a slew of posts going at 100 MPH which bringing up multiple points and engage in nuanced debates. Where the hell are you?
Yeah, I know. I'm busy with life, is all.skitzer wrote:We haven't heard from Nikanor lately. This is very strange.
Is there any reason town couldn't use Wifom the way Iguana did?Pom wrote:Is there any reason scum couldn't use Wifom the way Iguana did?I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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I'm not making a list of who I find scummy/towny. It would be mostly bullshit, you see. However, I will say that Toro is probtown, and that WW needs to realise that using the word 'retard' makes him sound juvenile, and while it might earn him friends with the twelve year olds who play WC3, it will only serve to get him insulted on this site. Thanks.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Gut, maybe? Kind of like how my scumsense activates on people with bad grammar, hehe.yabba wrote:Iguana tilts scummy now... but again... I'm struggling here putting a finger on it. I'm legitimately frustrated that I'm not able to put my thoughts into words here. Perhaps it's the defensiveness or sarcasm, but ugh, I can't tell.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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I didn't say it was a tell. I said it was anti-town. Big difference.Antihero wrote:
No, it's a nulltell.Nikanor wrote:Dice-rolling is anti-town, Keyblade.
I think I'm going to write a guide for all this stuff and just link to it when people say stuff like this, hehe.
Yeah, I don't need a reason to say that dice-rolling is anti-town. It just is.Antihero wrote:
Doesn't answer keyblade's question.Nikanor wrote:My evidence is in my front pocket. Want to reach in there and grab it for me?
Think of it this way: Keyblade has been around this site for a while. He shouldn't need to make a random vote. Based on the players here, he should be able to judge whose reaction he can learn the most out of, and place a vote on that person. That would be a pro-town way to go about the RVS.
You know what he meant.Antihero wrote:
This is true for the first couple posts.Blastinus wrote:Relevance of argument has no bearing on day one. Whoever you vote for, you vote for on no evidence aside from prior knowledge and arbitrary outside views. Unless a person outright goes "Blargh! I'm the Mafia!" I don't see why there's a problem with voting for petty reasons on day one.
But all of day 1?
Ah, so youAntihero wrote:Scummy implies mafia membership; anti-town doesn't.dounderstand. I wonder why there is 'misconception' in your first point, then. Any chance you could explain that for me?
It means exactly what it looks like. Do you not agree that jumping on a bandwagon with bad reasoning makes the person voting look bad? I'm asking because it just looks to me as if you're trying to pad your post with crap points against me in an attempt to push the concept of a Blastinus-Nikanor scumpairing.Antihero wrote:
What's that supposed to mean? This looks even more suspicious in the context of Blastinus' vote looking forced and the next Blastinus quote.Nikanor wrote: Well, it's better than some people who vote one person and look nowhere else. That's called tunnelling, if you don't know.
Jumping on my bandwagon for bad reasoning makes you look bad, Blastinus.
By all means, go ahead. Why are you even asking if you think it's scummy?Flava Flave wrote:@Antihero's post 400
I think it's scummy. If anyone wants me to dissect it, I will.
Your vote on me must have been pretty weak if that one post of Col's was enough to convince you he is scummier than I am. Which raises the following question: why was your vote on me for so long?Pom wrote:As I don't feel that we've gotten much of anything yet this game, and it's been 17 pages. I will Unvote; Vote: Col Cathart. I don't like Nikanor's play more than before, but Col is in worse shape.
Vote: Pomegranate.
Convince me that Col is scummier than I am based on the points you have provided against us both and I will unvote you.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Actually, I looked back at your posts and it turns out that the points you made against me WERE weak.Pom wrote:Convince me that Col is scummier than I am based on the points you have provided against us both and I will unvote you.
Instead of using your own points, I want you to explain to me:
a) Why you think I'm scum.
b) Why you think Col is scum.
c) Why you think Col is more likely to be scum than I.
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I asked for quite a bit so I don't expect a quick response. Don't worry, I won't start badgering you about it just yet.Pom wrote:@Nik: Iwillanswer the points you raised, I'm just really pressed for time right now. Expect it later tonight or tomorrow afternoon.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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Oh yeah, I guess I should respond to Pom's post, eh?
I like the part where you try to pre-empt me, knowing I'm going to call your case crap. The fact that I sympathise with the mod has got nothing to do with my alignment. It's on a person to person basis, not a role to role basis.yabba wrote:I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that mod sympathy is a scumtell. In games with Scum QTs, the Mafia get more communication with the mod than anybody else, and thus sort of bond with him on a personal level. I think a sort of sympathetic connection develops between scum and mod, so Nik feeling bad for him is a personal scumtell to me.
I speculate a lot. There's a difference between this and crap cases, the latter of which is scummy.
yabba, look at my posts. There has been scumhuting. This looks like you're trying to say, 'He's useless. Let's lynch him,' which really isn't what you should be doing if you are town.
Typo?Pom wrote:I don't think that this is much, but everyone missed it. If an emoticon indicates a joke, than why didn't you use it one of the few times you weren't serious?
No. What Blast did was not only not jump on my bandwagon, but went so far as to call me pro-town. That is not something that I would expect from Blastinus as scum. It is something I would expect from a town player. Therefore, I think Blast is town, and I unvote him. Do you still not understand this?I agree with the buddying statemenst.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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That's actually pretty accurate. Everyone knows I'm the best scumhunter on this site, after all; to be marked with my vote is to be marked for death.SpyreX wrote:Is, or is not, the whole case on Keyblade "He posted so Nik wouldn't vote for him".
(The above statement features mild sarcasm, if you did not catch it).
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No, I'm usually not like this. This is really the first game in which I've tried this particular playstyle.Col wrote:Nikanor - again, can someone tell me if this is his usual behavior, regardless of alignment? Gut town read.
Confirmed by Nikanor.Dramonic - Never played with him, but for some reason I'm assuming, that's his normal playstyle. Anyone who played with him can confirm that? If yes, then I guess he's somewhere on the line between neutral and slightly pro-town.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!-
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