Open 176 - Night Watch - GAME OVER

[dramonic]

Oh wow... I fucked up the link, must have picked the URL of the video I was watching by accident. Sorry everyone ^_^;

It's still a great vid though

[dramonic]

Octupis left!

Vote: DRK

Alas, I'm voteless...

[dramonic]

Vote: Octupis

Clearly a squid has to have a hand in this villainy!

agree with the watched DDD claim, if applicable.

[dramonic]

No, doesn't mean you should randomly fall in line if he says so though.

[dramonic]

Are you going to claim vig after getting watched again hewitt?

[dramonic]

right, forgot you claimed in the queue!

[dramonic]

It's complete WIFOM though. Just because a player hasn't played agaisnt someone doesn't mean he wouldn't NK him. You're grasping at straws here. Anyone could have killed DDD, knowing someone would react like you are doing.

[dramonic]

well that's interesting

Vote: Charter

[dramonic]

You sound like you're giving in before the game has even really begun RF.

[dramonic]

Only interaction I've had with Hewitt was him claiming vig for 5 days when I broke the setup at the end in mafia 100

Okay, chose wrong between Ray and Hewitt, but the roles and attribution were correct

Anyways, I endorse the hider thingy.

[dramonic]

Wow, sure doesn't take a lot for you to completely turn around Scien

Unvote
Vote: Scien

[dramonic]

I find it odd because usually you'd vote someone you find scummy. Now in this case you were voting to prod an answer which is different. On that ground, I can understand the unvote.

Unvote

[dramonic]

first vote was before the game began, second was a RV

Vote three was in response to ekiM completely destroying Charter's attack on him, giving me scumvibes from charter

Vote four was because I found your swing suspect.

Theorically, I only voted twice (three times if you include my unvote in last post)

I do care where my vote is.

[dramonic]

Gregory's vote seems like a serious case of pot calling the kettle black.

translation?

[dramonic]

So, are we doing that hypoclaim or what?

If so I dont mind going first.

[dramonic]

Not sure that's viable. If we wait too long we might end up missing some of the cliams.

[dramonic]

I'm more ready for a SA bandwagon. His play is scummy and he's laying scum-questions.

[dramonic]

I have no issues with keeping Hewitt alive. He's giving me a town vibe.
DRK I could understand, but he's the one who brought up the hypo-claim idea, yes?

[dramonic]

Well anyways...

If I'm hider I'll go behind Ray tonight

[dramonic]

What's the current votecount?

I need to reread, I'm completely unfocused @_@

[dramonic]

Personally, I think gregory is scummier than Hewitt. The case on him is real bleh.

Unvote
Vote: Gregory

Now, except saying stuff like "he's scummy, acts like scum and feels like scum, but that's not enough for me", can you add a bit of content dear?

[dramonic]

Someone enjoys sinking himself a lot around here

[dramonic]

I'm getting more a newbtown vibe than newbscum vibe from SA.

[dramonic]

Post 0 --> Confirmed.

Nothing notable here

Right

Post 1 --> Says he's not a new face.

Posting without saying anything. The wiki calls this active lurking

Active lurking would actually require the game to have started more than, you know, 12 hours ago?

Post 2 --> Says he's a mason with Ray.

Joke from the queue. Active lurking again

Let's ignore how post 1 and 2 are 12 minutes apart <<

Post 3 --> Says Charter is scummy and he doesn't want to talk about the hider.

First off, Charter voted Hewitt so I think Hewitt sees Charter as a threat and wants everyone to think Charter is scum so we lynch Charter. Second, why isn't he voting Charter? Well if we lynch Charter, maybe Hewitt knows Charter isn't scum and doesn't want the blood on his hands. So if someone else votes Charter and then Hewitt votes later, it looks like someone else's idea.

This is a whole lot of far-fetched speculating. Hewitt called Charter out for discrediting Scien and ignoring his question, it's perfectly acceptable.

Post 4 --> Tells the hider do whatever the fuck they want.

Then how do we know when they find out who is town or scum?

Post 5 --> Says the power roles should do what they want or it defeats the purpose.

How?

Scum who knows the agenda of PRs can manipulate em easily

Post 6 --> Asks how we know who is scum from knowing what the hider does.
Post 7 --> More hider questions.

It doesn't look like Hewitt read the roles or anything.

Hider isn't a common role, it's possible to interpret something erroneously, look at your post 2 analysis.

Post 8 --> More hider questions.

Funny how he snuck an attack on Charter in there too. But Hewitt still hasn't voted anyone.

Charter explains, Hewitt doesn't get it. the latter saying the former is saying gibberish doesn't constitute an attack

Post 9 --> More hider stuff.
Post 10 --> Finally gets it and says hypo-hider thing is cool.

I predict that Hewitt calls me scum in his next post because I'm a threat to him now and votes for either me or Charter.

If you're a threat to anyone so far, it's yourself

FA in italics, myself in bold.

If that's your case on Hewitt, it's awful. I completely ruined it without even having to leave his ISO.

If your case was weak it'd be fine. Your case isn't weak, it's a lie.

Unvote
Vote: Sleepless

[dramonic]

@dramonic: What does post 229 mean? Also, explain how the hell are you getting newbtown vibes from Sleepless Assassin?

EBWOP: Wait.. Did dramonic just do a 180 flip on Sleepless Assassin? WTF?

It was directed at Greg
At first I read SA in ISO and thought newbtown. Then, a bit later, a read Hewitt in ISO, which resulted in the 180 flip.

[dramonic]

I think Hewitt is town. A bit confused, but town. His play doesn't remind me of that I've seen from him in mafia 100.

[dramonic]

It helps that I have a pro-town read on SA.

I'm baffled by this. What has SA did that could potentially come off as protown???

[dramonic]

Because reading someone in ISO can lead to incorrect assumptions. Once you read the complete interaction you see how scum he is.

[dramonic]

ITT, charter tries to setup a chain lynch.

FOS: Charter

[dramonic]

Whatcha going to do when one and two flip town? Oh wait, nothing, town will have lost when that happens (assuming hider fail)

[dramonic]

point 4.

[dramonic]

@Hewitt: If you think charter is useless you better avoid Hohum

[dramonic]

alas unless he plays very similarly as scum and town my metaread is definite town. You'll have to deal with it.

Now where are KK, Scien an DO?

[dramonic]

Facepalm

DO isn't in this game >_<

[dramonic]

I'm saying even if Charter is in some kind of blind tunneling range on you, he's playing to his town-meta.

[dramonic]

My meta on charter is more along the line of "trigger-happy"

[dramonic]

I know.

[dramonic]

KK --> charter
DRK --> RayFrost
hewitt --> RayFrost
Octupis --> ekiM
RayFrost --> Charter
Dramonic --> Octupis

KK --> dramonic
DRK --> Scien
hewitt --> Kublai Khan
Octupis --> Kublai Khan
RayFrost --> hewitt
Dramonic --> Rayfrost

I love how the names are in increasing side

[dramonic]

I know. I blame KK

[dramonic]

Charter
Gregory
Sleepless Assassin
Scien
ekiM

We're waiting on these people.
Well, barring the lynch of the day I spose.

[dramonic]

And instead of hypoclaiming, I'm going to claim because I seem to be on the hot seat.

I'm a watcher. Not saying who I watched because they were targeted, so I know a power role AND who they targeted.

That was the most horrible thing you could have ever done, seriously. How bout you draw a map for the scum to know the other PRs?

[dramonic]

Obviously SA should watch the other watcher tonight. Just in case you didn't realize that.

That supposes he didnt see the hider target someone, in which case we're not that advanced.

[dramonic]

If he watches a hider he's wasting his action though.

SA, if you are watcher like you say, check to see if the PR you saw has played aggro on you. If so it's a hider, (A watcher would know you're town)

[dramonic]

well, SA is fairly new, so I'm advising him agaisnt a possible ability fail in case he lives through the night (which is likely considering the existence of another watcher)

Agreed I should:

Unvote

Vote: Greg

He's not voting anyone and has a good amount of IIOA

[dramonic]

And instead of hypoclaiming, I'm going to claim because I seem to be on the hot seat.

I'm a watcher. Not saying who I watched because they were targeted, so I know a power role AND who they targeted.

I feel like this is a lie...

However, if SA decides to share his "information" then I'll reconsider. charter's switch to Gregory is obscenely scummy in my opinion. He's trying so hard to distract from the SA wagon that it's almost disgusting.

If SA ain't lying lynching him is a bad idea.
Also, claiming what he saw is a horrible idea. We don't need more outed PRs, especially with no protective roles and one already dead.

[dramonic]

Watcher is easier to claim since he'd be outing not one but 2 PRs.

[dramonic]

1.He cant be CCed, we'll have to judge based on his survival
2.If he saw DDD he is useless, agreed
3.If whoever he saw played offensively towards him, then he should know it's the hider he saw (since watcher would know him as confirmed town)
4.If he saw scum he should claim it NAO.

[dramonic]

he said he knows one, not two

How could he know 2 anyways?

[dramonic]

exactly why is putting Greg at L-1 a bad thing?
I doubt anyone will be stupid enough to hammer without a claim.

[dramonic]

Psst... Greg. I first expressed suspicions and voted you on nov 2. Just cause i switch myvote you dont amgically lose all suspicions. Read before you fling erroneous accusations.

[dramonic]

Well, among other things we're waiting for people to vote him. If you agree with his lynch you should vote him, not me <_<

[dramonic]

You're a terrible liar Greg

Personally, I think gregory is scummier than Hewitt. The case on him is real bleh.

Unvote
Vote: Gregory

Now, except saying stuff like "he's scummy, acts like scum and feels like scum, but that's not enough for me", can you add a bit of content dear?

Why I'm wating? I'm not waiting for anything, I voted in this post, but since people were more interested in the SA/Hewitt altercation I let you off the hook and went with that.

Which actually makes me notice you havent even answered the question in this post.


As for SA, I pointed out the flaws in his case point by point in my ISO 23 and then proceeded to vote him.

[dramonic]

Unnoficial votecount

hewitt - 1 - Scien
Octupis - 0 -
DeathRowKitty - 0 -
Kublai Khan - 0 -
dramonic - 2 - Gregory, ekiM
charter - 0 -
Gregory - 5 - charter, dramonic, RayFrost, hewitt, Sleepless Assassin
Sleepless Assassin - 0 -
RayFrost - 0 -
Scien - 0 -
ekiM - 0 -

KK, DRK and Octupis are not voting

[dramonic]

attempted?

[dramonic]

I'm up for that

Unvote
Vote: SA

[dramonic]

The fairly light trade is one of the scum. add the confirmation factor of the hider and Hewitt would be shooting himself in the foot real hard as scum.

Incidentally, I don't think he's stupid, so I believe him. He's playing to his town meta anyways.

[dramonic]

didnt you just say earlier the one you saw was hider?

[dramonic]

He said he based it on the Hypo claim.

And Ray, why're you voting Charter exactly?

[dramonic]

cute backtracking on Charter's part
However that doesn't change the fact we have 2 watchers CCing each other. Lynching one is the optimal play, Charter can be dealt with later.

[dramonic]

and how would giving them an extra night change anything?

Wait, it won't, except maybe provide the scum of the two some extra time to setup a better claim to get the other lynched.

[dramonic]

*facepalm*

scum'll just end up shooting down the liar Charter, use your brains a bit.
If we lynch one now, we either get the scum and then the second watcher can keep close tabs on the first to see who kills him and we'll have nailed 2 scums, third caught by the hider, or the watcher and we have our target for tomorrow.

OR we can take a swing in the water and catch at most 1 scum on sheer dumb luck, hoping other watcher can guess who's lying and watch the other.

[dramonic]

Rayfrost hammered. Charter's vote was L+1

[dramonic]

Vote: Scien

Hello scum

[dramonic]

hello watcher?

[dramonic]

Er...
What?

What the hell just happened... that's not possible.

Something is amiss here.

There is someone lying.

You're right, the lie is underlined

[dramonic]

I knew DDD hated me ;_;

[dramonic]

Well, let's look at earlier interactions.

Will post once I get something.

[dramonic]

Well, after a very quick skim, Charter DOES pop a lot in Scien and KK's ISO. Especially interesting is the arguement about Scien chainsawing Charter against KK.

Thing is, Charter was pretty much a hot topic day 1 XS

[dramonic]

Ugh, Ray, you shouldn't have claimed like that since we already had one scum down. You could have just breadcrumbed and tried again.

Obviously if anyone is the watcher and Ray is lying, claim because the game is in the bag.

If Ray is lying then KK is town. If KK is town then we only have 2 caught scum. Erroneous reasoning Charter boy.

[dramonic]

I think it's gross. I'm literally picturing the fat orange dude in his avatar flopping on the pavement.

[dramonic]

You're saying I'm scum based on WHAT evidence?

[dramonic]

tag fail? ^_^;

[dramonic]

The scum appeals are so very funny

[dramonic]

I hate long days that bring a^bsolutely nothing to the table
we're staaaaaaalling, freakin lurkers =_=

[dramonic]

That would be quite hilarious.

[dramonic]

Ok, we're obviously lynching KK today, but NO ONE VOTE YET.

I want to see if we can confirm myself or Octupis before we lynch him.

If it can confirm you both do it. Confirming just one will simply lead the scum to kill that person specifically.

[dramonic]

no need to rush, we have 3 weeks or so.

[dramonic]

*snicker*

[dramonic]

...

Now you realize?

[dramonic]

well, I was kinda expecting something a bit BETTER than that.

Vote: Kublai Khan

[dramonic]

its not LyLo, it's MyLo 0_o

[dramonic]

@Mod: is a no-lynch allowed in this game?

[dramonic]

No Lynch

I presume I dont need to explain?

[dramonic]

Vote: No Lynch

It should leave us with one less person to be suspicious of tomorrow, I like the idea. It's better 2/1 lylo than 3/1.

qft

[dramonic]

It should be <<

[dramonic]

*snicker*
Humans... make you sound like some superior overlord


On-topic, I'm fairly confident our last scum is dragonfly.

[dramonic]

ekiM's play was scummy. We almost had to break his arm for him to go along with the hypo-claim, even then he was against N0 claim (which is basically what confirmed rayfrost, aka good thing).
Additionally, he tried to line up lynches on greg, hewitt and me, all town.

DF12 has done nothing, he's basically active lurking, posting once every like 3 days and even then, no content. He has provided absolutely nothing throughout the complete game, only stating facts (DRK hid behind Scien and is dead, scien must be scum! KK was seen killing N1 by RF, he must be scum!)

Hell, his last 3 posts are "I'm V/LA", "I'm not done reading" and "vote: no lynch"

[dramonic]

well, the two watcher kills are obvious.
I dont know if KK and Scien have previous bad experience with DDD.
I reckon after Charter's "scumhunting will win this one" he chose to get rid of the more experienced players.
Which doesnt explain why we're both alive =_=

[dramonic]

Nope. Do you?

[dramonic]

Well, he DID keep alive Greg, who's voiced clear suspicion of me last time he was alive...
But you replaced, so I dont see how that could explain the kill.

[dramonic]

something along the line of "lol, KK going berserk "

[dramonic]

oh, I misunderstood the question. I was thinking reaction to that post, not what that post means.

Probably something like that I guess...
Although I cant see how Charter's "plan" confirmed anyone.

[dramonic]

sure, gimme a sec

[dramonic]

viewtopic.php?t=12168

[dramonic]

yup.

Only played once with him.

I MIGHT have replaced into another game he was in, but only after his death...

[dramonic]

I dont think so, but I'll be extra honest and didnt enjoy that game much
I dont know why DDD got NKed night 1, I spose because he was suspicious of Synx, who WAS mafia.

[dramonic]

Charter - Scien - Greg - SA - Greg - SA

And then day 2 starts and Scien and KK are displayed publicly.

[dramonic]

I thought you were referring to stratego mafia and answered fittingly in 743

in THIS game, no, I never forgot it was there :3

[dramonic]

hmm, I could, considering my suspicions on greg died when both Hewitt and SA were revealed as town.

But I have no proof that I'm right and you aint scum.

[dramonic]

lol, missed that gem

Vote: Dragonfly

[dramonic]

victory

[dramonic]

I am ^^

[dramonic]

I'll be honest, when you replaced in I freaked.

[dramonic]

I called it first

XD

[dramonic]

I was kinda worried when you asked for my other games with DDD.
I'm the one who asked for the DDD lynch in the QT, based on my less than pleasant interaction with him in that other game

[dramonic]

damnit

kk: charter - hewitt - Sleepless Assassin - Scien
scien: Hewitt - Charter - Kublai Khan
ekim: hewitt - dramonic
dramonic: Charter - Scien - Greg - SA - Greg - SA


I'm think this could be a scumtell against you. I think that a scumteam of three players of moderate experience would do a little bit of distancing by voting eachother when it wasn't a serious threat of a lynch. Retort?

your hesitation in answering this should've made me pause.

I actually didnt see this post 0_o

[dramonic]

thank you, coming from you I'm flattered

[dramonic]

bingo

[dramonic]

Night 1
DRK --> Scien
Octupis --> Kublai Khan
RayFrost --> hewitt
charter --> Kublai Khan
ekiM --> Dramonic

those were our actual options.

[dramonic]

well WIFOM, ya never know

[dramonic]

It was freakin hilarious XD

[dramonic]

I dont mind.

[dramonic]

I did say something negative about someone in there ^_^;

[dramonic]

lol... and then we NKed the rolecop N0
that...was...epic...

[dramonic]

I dont mind reeally.