Open 175 - Picking Simplicity (Game Over)

[Sotty7]

I am not as proactive as Amished having only read the last couple of pages. But yay for deadline extension. I should get cracking on the thread.

[Sotty7]

Progress report: Just got done with day one and my brain is slightly mushy. Take a break to let it simmer for a bit.

I'm a little surprised that there isn't more discussion since the deadline was pushed back. I know xmas is coming up and all, but lets not let the extra time go to waste by simply waiting for the replacements to catch up.

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I'm not sure how Heli can reason a vote on Strange so quickly, that's a little mind blowing.

I'm a little surprised that there isn't more discussion since the deadline was pushed back. I know xmas is coming up and all, but lets not let the extra time go to waste by simply waiting for the replacements to catch up.

Wow Sotty is just so pro-town; she wants us to use all our time to the best of our ability! I simply don't know what to do, Sotty is so town for making this comment!
(If you didn't catch the sarcasm, I'm saying this comment by Sotty is scummy).

Well when I and the others replaced in there was little to no reaction or posts from anyone felt like I was reading a game with a bunch of people who were a sleep or something. Felt like that people just wanted to settle with the deadline scramble for Stranger rather than argue their number ones. Since then though people have been posting so I'm some what happy even if it gives me more to read in the long run.

I was going to try and knock though day two today but it is another 20+ pages and I don't have all that much time, so for now I am going to read though today so I can be some what up to speed as I take my time though day two.

[Sotty7]

@Sotty: Yeah, but is it a scum looking for an easy lynch at deadline on a townie, a scum trying to look good by bussing his partner, or a townie that just read up and thought he was scummy for a stupid (which is what it looks like) reason? All three are valid. Oh, or SK just up for the lynch of anybody?

Good point. He did replace H_H who I liked when he was posting during day one but..ugh. I just don't think he has read any significant portion of the game having just replaced in and yet he is willing to hop on the current wagon leader? Can't even use the deadline as an excuse seeing as it just got extended. The vote just feels icky.

In other news, day three much more fun to read than day one.

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Okay so day three. Making notes as I go

Iguana starts it off pretty bad. Her first post of the day is all about how Toro (now me) is probably scum but then votes Yabba with no reasoning. I am hoping that I will find some traces of reasoning in day two but still some explanation would have been nice.

Don't like the whole speculation about the night kill flavor thing that came after this. I don't think discussing this actually helps us

find

scum.

Serial's BALLS OUT MAFIA post looks really good to me. I will have to review Stranger myself before I know how good, but the whole tone gave me warm townie feelings. The only strange thing was there was no vote in this post. Why not?

Hmm Grimmy doesn't like it. I wonder why, hopefully he comes back to this.

Are Spy and Kreriov both SK hunting? (Posts 1017,1018, 1019)

And the main observation is: I still cannot understand that SK kill. During D2, Clergyman (at least I think it was him), pointed out, that SK will be more likely to hunt for mafia during the night. This is a good point, so I read the thread to see, if anyone was really against MSH. And... I'm still nowhere. Scoug voted for him, but quickly retracted, as he realized his reasons weren't really good. Spyrex was voting for MSH... Because he thought, Michel was the SK. D'oh. Also MSH had an argument with Yabba, but that was more Michel attacking Yabba, not otherwise.

So yeah, this trail is dead, unfortunately. As soon as I'll catch up with my other games, I'll try to read those walls from Michel to see something more than pointless discussions with Spyrex.

So you are thinking that the SK is looking for the mafia? So why is the trail dead with Spy here? Do you not think he could be the SK that killed MS? I am not 100% on your thought process here unless you are only looking for the mafia.

I can't hate on your vote for Hohum though. I found Pom to be very scummy on day one and was surprised when several players said the case on her was weak (Zwet and skitzer I think off the top of my head.) She repeatedly refused to answer a simple question Flave asked her. Her votes on Nik and CC were hella weak and seemed to back down really easy after slight pressure. However you simply say “Bottom line: Pom's behavior screams 'scum!' to me.” What behavior? Why is it scummy? Elaboration please.

More night kill spec. How is this helping? <3 Grimmy's post 1029

Another Serial post on Stranger. Still no vote though.

Then comes some actual scum hunting from the Col. I don't think Nikanor is scummy here though, I do understand and like the pressure he is put under.

Yabba comments that Serial is pushing a fast day with his case on Stranger. I don't think anyone realizes that Serial still hasn't voted yet. This makes Serial's next post all the more strange.

I'm also not trying to speed up the day, I'm trying to get some actual wagons going on some actually scummy people, not these irritating policy lynches that have had over 1/3 of the players in the game killed so far with zero result for the town.

Grimmy, do you regularly say who you intent to vote but then not vote them for a couple of days?

Why are you voting me now, then, instead of hohum? What changed? Is it really that one 'wheeee' post that makes the difference between myself being scummier than Pom to you?

Uh... I said it already. Vote on Hohum is a dead vote, as long as people will not even acknowledge his existence in this game... You're not scummier than Pom/Hohum, but at this point voting for him makes no sense, so I'm voting you.

So... Wagon then I guess.

Do you think Hohum and Nik are possible scum buddies? Is Nik your number two target? (Assuming that Hohum is your number one)

and I got to go for now. Im going to be busy for the next few weeks but I should be able to finish this by mid-week

*Eyebrow*

Kreriov's attacks on Nik are poor. I missed the two SC's in his vote post but once it was pointed out it was pretty clear he was agreeing with the case. What else could he have meant?

Skitzer's vote ignores a lot of the other players non-contributions like Stranger and Iguana. Why Nik over these two?

Hmm, Serial finally votes Stranger. Nothing in post 1099 makes me think that Serial forgot to lay his vote down so the question becomes why? Serial, why were you pushing Stranger's wagon without fully committing to it yourself? You even convinced Nik to jump on the wagon that you weren't even driving. Hell it wasn't even a wagon at that point because no one was on it. It doesn't add up.

Surprise, surprise Iguana hops on Stranger's wagon here. Kreriov, what's your opinion of this hop?

@Iguana:

I would still love to lynch Toro, but cant word that safely

What does this mean?

Even if I find my reasoning, I dont think I can swing it in time, and actually have a better chance of stopping any lynch from happening. Im convinced its the right lynch, but im also convinced its just not happening.

The thing is, you never even

tried

. Not once. And now you are sheeping.

Okay, now I have all of day three up to now and my thoughts are kinda all over the place.

Serial's pushing of Stranger is off when you realize he wasn't actually voting until right at the end. A comment was made by Yabba about Serial pushing a fast paced day but he really wasn't. The only thing that makes sense to me about all that right now is the old, scum-doesn't-truly-believe-his-own-case syndrome. I need to look into his actual Stranger case but his words and actions don't add up here.

Iguana is lurking badly and needs to shape up. If she really does have a gut read on Torro/me she needs to actually do something about it. Her lack of a vote or anything is ridiculous considering how easily she voted Yabba and then Stranger. Her sheeping is scummy.

Feeling Grimmy, Yabba town and

maybe

Col too I keep changing my mind on him. Col and Grimmy do need to post more though. Skitzer needs to comment on people that aren't Nik. Spy's constant talk about the night kill flavors and people getting them mixed up makes me think he has inside info on that matter. Kreriov is being hypocritical by not being on Iguana's case for her hop on the Stranger wagon.

I still very much need to read day two if just to see the apparent SK hunting by Spy, the wagon on Saber that resulted in Serial hammering someone he thought was town and the scummy stuff Stranger did.

Lots of things to sort though, but this is where I am at currently. Serial and Iguana are my one and two followed by Amished, Spy and Kreriov in a three way for 3rd place. Amished is simply in there because of Day one Pom actions.

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I understand gut, we all have it as players. Being able to translate your gut into actual words is something we all need to do.

I have read about the Saber ban and also know of a few games that needed replacements because he made an alt to get around said ban. So I do agree with your dick assessment of Saber.

That said, you half assed tried to explain your Yabba vote and gave a lurker condition at the bottom of your post as you did it. I can almost understand the whole deadline scramble but we've been given an extra week, are you still happy with your Stranger vote? Who is your number one right now?

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Sorry the above post was directed at Iguana.

Serial, it was just really freaking weird. All of your posts on him though the day today seemed to come from a player who was happy with his vote and wanted people to join him. Yet you weren't voting. These actions don't add up.

You made a seemingly strong case
You pushed this case
You tried to rally the town
And yet you didn't vote yourself.

And of course you were going to be connected to the lynch if you voted for him or didn't, I just feel like you were trying to convince

yourself

if anything. My problem with you has nothing to do with you avoiding the town's eye after a hypo town flip of Stranger, but everything to do with you not believing your own case.

There is a big key missing in all this for me however, I need to read day two and see if your wait and see voting explanation is actually valid. Right now I just don't see how that works.

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Like I said at the start the case looked good, also I read up on the link you posted to the case you made on day two and that also seemed good at face value. I barely remember foilist13 from my day one read and Zazie was his normal lurky self.

Yes you are my number one at this moment because I can't understand

why

you weren't voting. But I also realize I am missing a big chunk of info when it comes to you and Stranger. Hence no vote from me yet.

And you are right, it's not a meta point.

[Sotty7]

1] Zazie is a guy
2] During day one all he posted was promises of posts. Which in my experience is normal play for him. He lurks a lot.

[Sotty7]

Zazie used to be incredibly active and a girl. See webcomic wars and emerald mafia in my wiki. I'm 98% sure that despite the gender symbol she remains female, the activity is wierd though. If I wasn't on my phone I'd go meta her.

I guess you missed gendergate.

The thing with Zazie is that he is either super active and posts a ton back to back to back to back or is super lurky and does nothing there is little middle ground.

Mafia 96 he was active and yet scum a game you are familiar with.

Then there is open 150 were he lurked and was scum.

And open 151 where he lurked and was town.

So yeah. As someone who replaces more than I start games off, I have seen Zazie replace into games only to lurk away (what's the point?) just like this game.

Basically one game a meta does not make. Zazie has one of the more frustrating metas than most people on the site in that it really doesn't seem to mean anything and both posting styles he does adopt are pretty frustrating

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Amished was that a vote directly because of the claim?

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Christmas sucks for having free time, but whatever.

Yeah it has been kicking my ass, I haven't had hardly a free moment to start reading day two yet. Blegh.

What was scummy about Foilist to you?

[Sotty7]

Yours, especially the scumlist after the hammer, bothers me.

Unless I am mistaken, Amished's vote was lynch-1. There hasn't been a hammer yet. Does this effect your read at all Spy?

[Sotty7]

Skitzer's vote ignores a lot of the other players non-contributions like Stranger and Iguana. Why Nik over these two?

StrangerCoug is trying to defend himself, which even if I don't remember it, it means he must have done something to get himself a wagon. Definitely somehow contributing.

Iguana, though I disagree with what he is saying, is definitely making an attempt to contribute.

I don't see your logic here.

What had Iguana contributed to this day at the time of your vote? A Nik lynch isn't going to happen today, you should put some serious thought into moving your vote to either Amished or Stranger.

unvote
vote amished

Go go gadget quicklynch

*Twitch*

SC claimed VT. There is zero reason for the SK to claim VT as they dont benifit partners if they die. There is little reason for scum to claim VT as they will likely be lynched and the cop stays hidden. While there are scenarios (like SC is getting bussed hard) where getting lynched is a slight benifit to scum, I dont think this is one of them. It was almost deadline so it basically assured him to be a lynch as well. I would put it at about 80% chance SC is town here. We need to move the wagon now.

This is some good reasoning.

But why did you wait so long to move the wagon?

Vote: Amished

Not feeling the Stranger wagon at all. Amished replaced a pretty scummy player in my eyes and reading though Spy's 1235 with the conjecture about the hammer makes sense. Iguana still pings my scumdar pretty hard but her post 1247 was good enough to simmer that down.

We need to get our act together here, deadline is coming up and we need 8 votes to make a lynch happen. Both Stranger and Amished are on 5 votes apiece now.

[Sotty7]

Not feeling the Stranger wagon at all. Amished replaced a pretty scummy player in my eyes and reading though Spy's 1235 with the conjecture about the hammer makes sense. Iguana still pings my scumdar pretty hard but her post 1247 was good enough to simmer that down.

Blah blah blah, this reads as weak justification. You're 'not feeling the Stranger wagon'? Maybe that's because pretty much everyone unvoted him. If you're just going to jump on the bandwagon for no reason, at least admit it.
Also, bussing.

Would be nice if you paid attention. I haven't been liking the Stranger wagon for awhile now,

before

others unvoted. Add to that, his and Amished's were the only two wagons with legs I commented on them both when making my vote. People needed to commit to one or the other so we can actually get a lynch today.

At least you switched your vote to Amished, so that post isn't all epic fail.

Watching the clock... wish Amished would claim in case he's cop and has results (NOT to stop his lynch- that ain't happening). Otherwise, I'd be glad to hammer considering any lynch is better than No Lynch.

Nikanor- you wreak of total apathy. That's an SK tell. But considering an SK would probably be trying to knock scum out at this point, I'd rather go Mafia hunting.

Firstly I am pretty sure Amished would have claimed when he switched his vote over to Stranger this morning. The momentum was swinging his way.

How is apathy an SK tell? Nik doesn't seem that apathetic to me. skitzer you could sell me on apathy but not Nik.

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That's a stretch Yabba. If she had a guilty on me she would have pushed me a lot harder than her other gut cases don't you think? We also had a good exchange at the end of yesterday and I didn't get any "I think your scummy vibes" from her. In a nutshell I think you are reaching.

I will be back later with more. I didn't finish reading day two during the night in case I died.

[Sotty7]

If she had a guilty on me she would have pushed me a lot harder than her other gut cases don't you think?

Again, cop is trying to remain as introverted as possible. If she went guns blazing and had you nailed as scum, that REALLY would have tipped her off to the antagonists (you, I claim)..

No this

still

doesn't make any sense. If she had a guilty on Toro it wouldn't have taken much to push that play spot because he was doing next to nothing. Please explain why Iguana wouldn't push on someone she knew was guilty in that manner when you keep in mind

how she played the rest of the game

Ugh Serial, same question to you. Why would a cop with a guilty gut rush other players and not someone she KNEW was guilty? It would be one thing is Iguana was a careful/cautious player but she wasn't. This is bull.

[Sotty7]

She also never votes my player slot. Not once.

[Sotty7]

Well lame.

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At least I did my part in helping kill off the cop That makes my lynch a little less painful at least.

Well played Spy and Heilo.