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The players I like the least are farside, Slaxx, and TQO.
farside because of her argument over listing four scum.
TQO for his policy vote.
Slaxx because of this:
Slaxx wrote:There was never an RVS to begin with. There were only 3 votes cast when I cast mine. One quarter of the players voting is not RVS. Sorry. Its not. So I started it up. And look where we are now.Vote: Slaxx
Also, inactivity dies down sometimes. The deadline is ridiculous. My 2 cents.-
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I find the people going on about those who claim there is little to go on the more suspect. The number of pages doesn't matter if there is little to go on in those pages. Also, the people advocating lynching the lurkers, particularly DTMaster.
About the doctor, there are 12 players, and 4 mafia, meaning 2 nightkills. The purpose of the doctor in this setup is simply to prevent as many kills as possible. The doctor's priority is not to find scum, but to insure the amount of townies does not decrease too quickly.-
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I don't necessary think he would be a mislynch, rather that with his grand total of 2 posts we have very little to determine if he is scum or not. It would basically just be a gamble, and the odds are better that he is town. Apparently he is going to be "force replaced" (far stronger than a normal replacement), and so I don't see any reason why we shouldn't wait to see what his replacement has to say.-
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Well, I don't automatically assume he is playing that way intentionally. There are any number of reasons for a person to lurk. He could have two posts because he is scum. He could have two posts because he has no idea where to start with this game. It is risky to make assumptions and lynch him, when we can wait for the replacement and form an opinion with a stronger foundation.Gheb wrote:@Gayle
Doesn't the fact that he only posted 2 times up to now bother you? I can't think of any town-alligned reason to play that way, especially since it has been reported that he visited mafiascum a couple of times.-
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Of course?farside22 wrote:And of course nothing about the fact there is are votes on him and he is avoiding the game is looked upon as town why again? With comments about his post and lack there for.
He can and should be in here defending himself. Not lurking and avoiding a game. There is no town reason for that.What?When did I say that mavsfan looked like town? I said that lynching mavsfan is a gamble. A mavsfan lynch is essentially a policy lynch as there is not even a semblance of a case against him. He has two posts, therefore he is scum. You saw him online, therefore he is scum. Who knows why he was online? Who knows why he only has two posts? With the town to scum ratio, a mislynch is particularly bad. There is no reason to rush a lynch now when we can get a replacement to help us get a better read.
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Well, I am pretty sure about Farside, guys. Those were some pretty scummy posts right there.
This is extremely disingenuous. I've said that it is a good chance that it would be a mislynch, and that there is no reason to risk such a lynch. I never said "Mavsfan is town. Lynching him is a mislynch.".farside22 wrote:Lets click the problems with your comments so far
1) talks about it as a mislynch
Again, disingenuous. My point was that no one knows why Mavsfan isn't here.farside wrote:2) says maybe the person has nothing to talk about and doesn't know how to get into the game
When your only reason for lynching someone is because they are lurking then, yes, it is a lurker lynch.farside wrote:3) calls it a lurker lynch
I point to you as scum because I cannot verify he actually did as you say and even if hefarside wrote: 4) keeps avoiding the fact that mansv was see on MS and did not post in this game even to defend himself and you want to point to me as scum?wasonline, you have no idea why or what kind of reason he might have for not posting. Your reason for lynching him is pure speculation. Yet you push to lynch him rather than waiting for his replacement.
Of course, I must be scum because I don't want town to lynch a person who not only is about to be replaced, but also doesn't have a single good reason for being lynched.Farside wrote:The amount of defense that Gayle is giving masvan leads me to believe they could be scum together.
I don't have to list a town reason for lurking. He could be lurking forFarside wrote:So far she hasn't said one town reason to avoid posting in the game and does a vote calling me pushing the case when clearly I'm pushing her for answers of this defense.anyreason. You prove that Mavsfan doesn't have a good reason not to be here. I'm not defending Mavsfan, I'm trying to tell town why it is a bad idea to lynch a person for lurking right now.
There are 12 players. 4 are scum, 8 are town. That is roughly a 66% chance that any given player is town, and a 33% chance that any given player is to scum. So yes, there is a greater chance that Mavsfan is town. It is stupid to gamble on his lynch when our odds of lynching town are 2/3.Farside wrote:This seems to me gayle saying mansv is town stating odds but not expanding on why the odds of him being town are grater then scum.
Also, you keep implying that I am calling Mavsfan town. I am not, and never have. Your insistence that I have is disingenuous to the point of being scummy. Disingenuous. I plan to continue overusing that word.
In every time. In every place.The deeds of men are the sameFarside is scum. No exceptions. All aboard the bandwagon, guys.-
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How many times are you going to lie that I claimed such a thing?farside22 wrote:How many times you calling someone with 2 post that just got replaced town gayle?
Here you are twisting my words again. My entire point was thatFarside22 wrote:I even posted your quote where you said most likely town. So you know this person's alignment and thoughts and feelings based on what again?nobodyknows Mavsfan's "alignment and thoughts and feelings". There is absolutely nothing to go on. Lynching Mavsfan would therefore be a gamble. In a gamble, there is a much greater chance that town would be lynched than scum (66% chance as opposed to 33% of lynching scum). It would not be a very smart gamble to take, which is why I was arguing against it.
One last time, Farside. Prove to me that Mavsfan was purposely avoiding the game.Farside wrote:One last time gayle. What player do you know that is town that purposely avoids a game where they are the main target of a lynch?
@Sanhora:Go back and re-read my posts along with Farside's responses to said posts. If Farside is town, why is she repeatedly twisting my words like this?-
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"You'll be sorry when I flip town!" Standard scum procedure. Also, her flip is somehow indicative of Mavsfan's alignment.farside22 wrote:You know the profile and searching for post are down but I you lynch me see I flip town and know I was telling the truth about masv
Dear Miss Farside,Farside wrote:Your gamble is all calling mans town over scum. You haven't stated a reason you find the dude town even when I point out I saw him online and now you want proof afterwards.........
How many times do I have to repeat that I didn't call Mavsfan town? How many times do I have to repeat that there is not sufficient evidence to prove that he is either town or scum? How many times do I have to repeat that if there is not enough evidence for a read, then the result is essentially a gamble? How many times do I have to repeat that in that gamble we have far more likely a chance of lynching town than scum? How many times are you going to twist my words and ignore the actual meaning of my argument? How many [continued on reverse]
Pretty sure scum is twisting Gayle's words.Farside wrote:yup pretty sure gayle is scum twisting in the wind.
Disingenuous. We are not discussing Sanhora. We are discussing Mavsfan. My argument does not apply to Sanhora.Farside wrote:sanhora since you are the party being disussed between myself and gayle. What is your view on the argument.-
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I'll say to you what I said to fellow scum farside, prove to me that Mavsfan didn't have a good reason for not posting.DTMaster wrote:@Gayle
1. I'm notadvocating a straight up lurkerlynch. I'm advocating a: A guy who posted nothing after he knows that the deadline was going to end in a week.
My issue was: Mavs at the time knew that the deadline was approaching yet posted nothing at all. That goes beyond anti-town lurkering: That's just scummy to kill discussion like that when he knew this was happening before the extension.
Okay, sir. Let's look at your case.DTM wrote:2. You ignore the specifics of my case. We aren't advocating a lurker lynch, other wise Xolelf would be on the other block as well. Read my case. You ignored it you said it's just essentially a kill a lurker case. I outlined why a mav lynch was more preferable to a Xolelf lynch even though they both equally lurked.
A lot of words to say "MavsFan is scummy because he posted after the mod stated the deadline". You call that a case? The timing of his post is irrelevant if we do not know for certain that he doesn't have a good reason for not posting. You say that he wasn't scumhunting. It is ridiculous to accuse him of not scum hunting when he has two posts. In fact, the fact that he has two posts is the basis of why you are even accusing him of a lack of scumhunting. Therefore, yes, it is a "lynch the lurker" case.DTM wrote:The diffrence between Xoxelf and Ani versus Mav is MAV POSTED AFTER CSL GOD POSTED THE DEADLINE . I have yet to check Ani's or Xoxelf's posts to see if they are posting else where, but with the current information: MAV SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THE DEADLINE IS IN A WEEK . If Ani or Xoxelf posted after CSL's announcement they deserve the same treatment.
Hence why it is my prefrence to run Mav up the wagon because HE HAS NO EXCUSE TO NOT SCUM HUNT . If Ani and Xoxelf aren't posting in other games, it means that they are legitly not on this website.
I caps the important part so you wouldn't miss it, again. My issue is with the timing of the posts. Xoxelf and Ani's are very useless, but Mav posted 2 hours after CSL's 1 week deadline announcement. He knew at the time of that post that our time to scum hunt is drastically reduced and contributed nothing .
My issue was with policy lynching Mavsfan for no good reason instead of waiting for a replacement. Tell me how this is scummy in any way. My argument isn't lacking. Neither you nor Farside has been able to argue against it without twisting my words. Only scum would bother twisting my words. Therefore my argument was very effective in that it helped me uncover two scum.DTM wrote:3. Also your speculation is very very lacking and extremely scummy.
It reads as: I am scum who is defending the lurker but I'm not committed to defending him. If it came down to it Mavs could be scum or town.
Gayle wrote:Of course? What? When did I say that mavsfan looked like town? I said that lynching mavsfan is a gamble. A mavsfan lynch is essentially a policy lynch as there is not even a semblance of a case against him. He has two posts, therefore he is scum. You saw him online, therefore he is scum. Who knows why he was online? Who knows why he only has two posts? With the town to scum ratio, a mislynch is particularly bad. There is no reason to rush a lynch now when we can get a replacement to help us get a better read.
Lynching is always a gamble, but not always a gamble with such terrible odds. There was no evidence that Mavsfan was scum, therefore it was pointless for us to take such a gamble. It is not wishy washy because the point was that regardless of his actual alignment,DTM wrote:a. Lynching is always a gamble. Can we lynch Gayle instead for this scummy scummy post? You are being too wishy washy with this speculation. You say that Mavs could be town or scum: (oh mai his content is so littler therefore we can't get a town read, but I don't see enough to say he's not scum)we didn't have enough information to lynch him instead of waiting for the replacement.
Except that he was at L-1 and it was close to the deadline. It was well past the point of pressure. We were about to take an extremely bad gamble. I wasn't doing anything to fix the problem? Tell me, who was the one arguing that we wait for the replacement to actually get a read?DTM wrote:b. You are trying to break up a wagon on a suspicious guy. A bandwagon on day one is a useful pressure toolto fricken gain those reads that you say we don't have enough onon a guy who we don't have readssYou do absolutely nothing to fix this problem.
My intention wasn't even to attack anyone at first. My intention was to prevent a bad lynch. In the process of that, Farside's twisting of my words convinced me that she is scum. Much like yours have just done the same thing.DTM wrote:c. Lastly you don't even attack me, the guy who started this case. You don't even attack KMD, the guy who agreed that Mav's wagon was more legitmate then Xolelfs, who everyone seems to compare to.
Look at issue 1 and then issue 2. What is 0x10?DTM wrote:Issue 1: We have no read on Mav/San
Issue 2: Mav's post is antitown multipled by 10 due to the context of the post.
Issue 3: Neither of you are helping this situation. I decree that both players die because they are arguing over an issue: but neither players seem to resolve it in any manner
Issue 4: Neither of them addressed Sanh's post.
Look at issue 3. "Both players should die because they are having a discussion that hasn't ended yet."
As for issue 4, I have no reason to address Sanhora's post.
TL;DR: Lynch Farside or DTM for twisting words and implying that they had a valid reason to suspect that a guy with two posts was scum.-
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My argument is that it didn't warrant a lynch. Which was what it was about to become.DTMaster wrote:Explain to me how this doesn't warrant a bandwagon pressure: talk.
Who knows. My argument concerns the situation of town when I made the case. What I would have done in any other context is irrelevant.DTMaster wrote:2. If CSL didn't extend the deadline: what would you have done? Hmm?
I am not sure what you mean here.DTM wrote:Get the time line straight.
..because only now did you make the same argument. I think you are confused about why I think you and farside are scum. I believe you are scum not because of your earlier cases or votes, but because you the way you both twist my words and pretend like you had conclusive evidence that Mavsfan was scum.DTM wrote:4. Lol. Youonly now call me scum after I call you out on not calling me scumWhy is it that your argument against farside, which is perfectly applicable to me onlynow being addressed by youto call me scum?
Because no one is required to comment on his post, and I was more concerned with Farside (and now yourself).DTM wrote:5. Since you are posting to graciously wait and let the replacement readwhy am I the only one so far who has read and commented on what Sanhs, the replacement to Mav?
I have no reason to post such a comment.DTM wrote:Issue 1: You brought up. You did nothing. You didn't even comment on how Sanh's post is more townie then Mav.
His argument is anti-town because he posted after the moderator? I disagree.DTM wrote:Issue 2: I my argument, why Mav's posts is justifiably more anti-town then then Xolelf or Ani.
I am not being wishy washy. My argument has been consistent from the beginning: There is no reason to suspect that Mavsfan is either town or scum, therefore there is no reason not to wait for the replacement. Sanhora is irrelevant to the argument. I am not trying to prove that Mavsfan alignment is one way or another. The discussion is now about the scummy responses I got to my argument.DTM wrote:Issue 3: Then why are you being so bent over backwards wishy washy about the Mavs issue, especially when we have a replacement. You aren't even using Sanhs, thereplacement to Mavson how Savn's is demonstrating that the Mavs/Sahn's wagon isn't a viable lynch.
That was horribly scummy. My suspicions of Farside are because she is trying to paint me as a Mavsfan's scumbuddy by twisting my words to look like I am calling Mavsfan town and otherwise defending him. Whereas my actual argument is that "We shouldn't lynch a guy with two posts until he is replaced and we get a proper read". Now, you have begun to do the same thing, which is why you have also become suspect.DTM wrote:Farside is twisting your words. She said you called Mav's town. You are defending Mavs and saying that the wagon is poor. You say you have no read, but farside is scum for twisting your words. You say you don't know if Mav's is scum but you think farside is scum for attacking your attack on her push on Mav.
You are bending over backwards over a guy who you don't think is town by attacking farside who is pushing for the lynch? The eff?
^^ This leap in logic is horrible! This isn't town scum hunting, you are implying that:
Mav/Sanh is town but at the same time could be lynched because there is the chance that the player is scum. You say its a gamble, and you complain about the lack of posts.But you just said that you had nothing to comment on the guy who you have issues with because of said lack of posts, after the replacement just posted
Disingenuous. The discussion is now about the scummy responses I got to my argument.DTM wrote:While Gayle takes a neutral stance on Mav/Sanhs, he is bending over backwards over this case to defend him against the original wagon. This is extremely suspicious.-
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Now you've taken to ignoring my posts entirely, I see.farside22 wrote:Gayle said that mansv is a mislynch
gayle said that mansv is more likely town then scum with no reason.
At no time did gayle ever say that mansv could be scum.
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I would then ask you to prove to me that he was refusing to post in this game.farside22 wrote:
All I can do is ask the mod which I did. As you know there is no way to find a post per player on a day any more so your.Gayle wrote:I've answered it time and time again. Prove to me that he was refusing to post in this game.
What will you do when the mod confirms he picked up his prod. What little hole will you take then?
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"No, I won't give reasons for calling someone scummy or jumping on a bandwagon created by two scummy players. I just like hopping from one ill advised bandwagon to another."KMD wrote: Well, it still has the new bandwagon smell, so I'm taking it for a test drive. Gotta say I like the way it handles so far.
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Farside, my point is thatMavsfan's motives cannot be known. You say that he was purposefully avoiding the thread. I say that there is no way to prove that he was purposefully avoiding the thread. At the time, lynching because of such a thing was a bad idea, because there was no other reason for him to be suspected as scum. Lynching him was more likely to result in a townie lynch than a scum lynch. I wanted us to instead wait for the replacement. Which part of this do you not understand?-
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Instead of making disingenuous accusations, read my posts to learn the actual reason I suspect you and Farside.DTMaster wrote:On my iPhone
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1. Um the case against Mavs was: he was the most scummiest player at the time of the wagon. We went ove this when we compaired xolelf, ani and slaxx. Tell ke again how the vote, wagon, L1 wasn't a viae option when he was the most scummiest.
Tell us how the others warrented the vote or how farside/DTM did during the time of the vote. You are essentially defending Mavs/Sanh when you call out our case for being faulty? Why? At no time do you eer speculate that Farside, DTM, and Mavs could be generating a budding manuver. All you do provide to the table is: farside and dtm are scum for pushing a case on a guy who posted little, but has been defined as antitown/scummy ( or scummier then the others)
Also, why was it better to lynch Mavsfan than wait for his replacement?
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Thing is, if you can say "Unless you can prove that he wasn't" I can just as easily say "Unless you can prove that he was". It is impossible to prove one way or another. And you are still avoiding the point of the entire discussion, so I will ask you what I just asked DTM. Why should we have lynched Mavsfan instead of waiting for his replacement?farside22 wrote:So unless you can prove to me he was not avoiding this game. Your defense of him just comes off as scummy trying to save a scum partner.-
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Uh... what? You haven't even provided any pressure. All you've done is "Gayle is scummy for unexplained reasons!".Kmd4390 wrote:
I've read your posts. I want you to summarize some opinions because I'm not coming to the same conclusion.Gayle wrote:In other words, I am scummy but you haven't bothered read my posts. 'kay, got it.
You're very defensive. I think my pressure vote caught me some scum.
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Nobody's motives are known until they flip.Gayle wrote:Farside, my point is thatMavsfan's motives cannot be known.-
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Going to keep up with this scummy argument, huh? I asked for proof that Mavsfan was purposefully avoiding this game. There is none.
Also, let's look at some of Farside's interpretations of my statements.
Actual Statement wrote:I would like to replace mavsfan rather than risk a mislynch due to little information. I really don't want to mislynch a lurker in this setup.Farside's Interpretation wrote:1) talks about it as a mislynchActual Statement wrote:I don't necessary think he would be a mislynch, rather that with his grand total of 2 posts we have very little to determine if he is scum or not. It would basically just be a gamble, and the odds are better that he is town. Apparently he is going to be "force replaced" (far stronger than a normal replacement), and so I don't see any reason why we shouldn't wait to see what his replacement has to say.
Don't those interpretations seem a bit disingenuous to anyone else?Farside's Interpretation wrote:stated the player in question is more likely town then scum based on nothing at all.
Disingenuous Count: 10/100. Keep it up farside. I'm still quite a way from my goal.-
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The keyword isn't avoid, the keyword is purposefully.farside22 wrote:What word would you use in place of avoid?
He is posting else in another game and not posting here. What other word would you use?
Farside wrote:1) Lets see actually statement: You are calling it a mislynch (twice). This implies you know something about the lynch or alignment of a playerGayle wrote:I would like to replace mavsfanrather than risk a mislynch due to little information. I really don't want to mislynch a lurker in this setup.Farside wrote:2) backtracks comment (not a mislynch) Calls it gambling stating the player has better odds of being town because why?
You still avoid the why of this?Gayle wrote:It would basicallyjust be a gamble, and the odds are better that he is town.Gayle wrote:There are 12 players. 4 are scum, 8 are town. That is roughly a 66% chance that any given player is town, and a 33% chance that any given player is to scum. So yes, there is a greater chance that Mavsfan is town. It is stupid to gamble on his lynch when our odds of lynching town are 2/3.
Let me fix that for youGayle wrote: Lynching Mavsfan would therefore be a gamble. In a gamble, there is a much greater chance that town would be lynched than scum (66% chance as opposed to 33% of lynching scum). It would not be a very smart gamble to take, which is why I was arguing against it.Farside wrote:You still avoidI repeatedly ignore the why of this.
No. Because the fact remains that the slot still had scummy behavior.Farside wrote:Gayle: Do you wipe away the slate of a player who replaces another you find scummy? Why or why not?-
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Originally, yes. Then DTM began twisting my words in the same way, so that made him suspicious.Pomegranate wrote:I think that you were only suspicious of farside, originally.
Here you go, my first use of a smilie on mafiascumPom wrote:Gayle keeps ignoring any explanations for the mavs wagon- that we were very close to deadline, and mavs hadn't posted any content, and had avoided this game.
On second thought, Vote: Gayle.. It was close to the deadline. You had to make a choice. I understand that. Now what the hell has that got to do with my argument?
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Okay, let me see if I understand this.Pomegranate wrote:2. If we needed to lynch someone, he was the best choice. No, we do not know his motivations for avoiding this game. It is still scummy.
You say:The deadline was approaching. Town needed a lynch, and Mavsfan was avoiding the game. You are certain of his intentions because he was sighted on MS.
I say:There are any number of reasons he could have for not posting. There is no way to determine his intentions.
What I was arguing:We should replace Mavsfan instead of lynching him with so little information.
What Farside was arguing:Gayle is defending Mavsfan and calling him town for no good reason.
Your Conclusion:I am ignoring explanations and am scum.
What?
Pom, whatexactlyis your reason for voting me? Because I maintain that we cannot read Mavsfan's mind?
You've made some allegations that are simply untrue. Show me where I misrepresented Farside. While you are at it, tell me how the explanations I am supposedly ignoring make the following argument scummyGayle wrote:I would like to replace mavsfan rather than risk a mislynch due too little information.-
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The replacement isn't actually the subject anymore, rather the subject is the arguments that resulted from the replacement discussion, and why those arguments may or may not be scummy.CSL wrote:You know, it's rather entertaining that you two are arguing over a replacement, but this is getting out of hand.
Expect a votecount by 10:30.
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Pom... you do realize that Mavsfan has been replaced and the deadline extended right?Pomegranate wrote:We say:Um, deadline's in a few days. We don't have time for that. Mavs is our best choice.
So the reason you are voting me is because I wanted to replace Mavsfan rather than lynch him?Pom wrote:Gayle, if you saw my 272, I do think farside misrepresented you a bit. But the fact that you can't seen to get it into your head that maybe mavs was a good lynch then, and maybe there was a reason... well, it's a bit frustrating.
CSL, at least six players (from memory) have changed their vote because of this discussion. That is getting nowhere? Or are you saying we are on the wrong track and are therefore getting nowhere?CSL wrote:Five days until deadline, and it's going nowhere.
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Pom, you and farside (you weren't even around) never argued that we didn't have time to wait for the replacement. Farside was arguing that there was a good reason for suspecting Mavsfan was scum. Where exactly did you pull "Um, deadline's in a few days. We don't have time for that. Mavs is our best choice." from?-
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This is why the mod shouldn't comment on discussion.Kmd4390 wrote:CSL's 278 has me wondering if we are on the wrong track with Gayle...
I think you are using it as an excuse though.
Explain clearly the reason you voted me, and the reason you unvoted.
@Farside:Is the bottom of your 293 addressed to me? If it is you are still "misinterpreting" what I said. Also there is a difference between not listening and not agreeing.-
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It is not exactly wrong, but it is a bit misleading. I was saying:farside22 wrote:Read the issues here. (1) your saying I'm misinterperting your post based on mislynch and saying someone is more likely town then scum because of %. Is this wrong so far?
1 - There was too little information on Mavsfan to make an informed decision.
2 - That being so, lynching Mavsfan was a gamble.
3 - In that gamble, we were more likely to mislynch than lynch scum.
No, I don't recognize that he was avoiding the game. My whole argument was that we don't know if he was avoiding the game. The rest is semantics.Farside wrote:2) your saying you reconize now that he (mas) was avoiding but you want to pounce on the word purposely because you think purposely makes the fact he's avoiding the game worse or something?
If a player is avoiding a game how is it not on purpse? Please explain this becuase you have been holding this prove to me he was avoiding on purpose. When I showed he avoided the game that you have this attitude I can't even understand.
To try to put it clearly: It is impossible to know whether Mavsfan's lack of posts was intentional.
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See, it is stuff like this that lead me to believe that you really aren't just misinterpreting things. My point is that no one, not me, not you, not the mod, can know why Mavsfan's wasn't posting. That being so, it is impossible to know whether he was deliberately not posting in this thread. I said "purposefully avoiding". You pointed out the word avoiding. I said the keyword is purposefully. Now you are arguing the semantics of something that means the same thing either way: We don't know why he wasn't here.farside22 wrote:Are you now backtracking from this? Are you now calling the mod a liar too?
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What word would you use in place of avoid?
He is posting else in another game and not posting here. What other word would you use?The keyword isn't avoid, the keyword is purposefully.
What exactly am I supposed to be backtracking from? 'Cause that has always been my argument.-
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Farside, I am not missing your comment. I've already responded to similar effect of the reponse I am about to make: I would say he was posting in another game. That does not automatically mean he was avoiding this one. That does not automatically mean he is scum in this one.farside22 wrote:Also You keep either on purpose or blindly missing my comment where I state that I saw him looking in little italy and did not post in this game before he was replaced.
What would you say about a player that does that?
This particular part of the argument is not going to get us anywhere. You are going to keep saying he was doing it on purpose, and I am going to keep saying we can't know if he was doing it on purpose. A proposal: Let's move on to something more productive.-
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I would rather vote KMD. Please consider the following:farside22 wrote:I'm voting morph you should join that vote.
-Votes DTM saying it was not a joke vote. When asked about his reasoning he responds "What do you think my reasoning is?"
-Votes Mavsfan because "[Mavsfan] confirmed after the day started, but didn't add anything else."
-Votes Gayle because "cuz it's gonna be a fun bandwagon and I don't want to miss it.". When asked about his reasoning
he responds "Well, it still has the new bandwagon smell, so I'm taking it for a test drive. Gotta say I like the way it handles so far.".
-Unvotes Gayle because "[the mod] has me wondering if we are on the wrong track with Gayle... "
-Votes Pom because "I have town reads on the other 2, and know myself to be town. Also, her posts are kinda scummy."
-He is also willing to lynch animorph "if people want to do that".
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I don't know what to expand on. I read him in iso, and I didn't really see anything all that scummy. His main problem seems to be that he doesn't have much content. While he warrants further investigation, I don't see a reason to vote him over you or kmd.farside22 wrote:Can you expand on why that is? What it is that leads you to this view?-
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Another crap vote for crap reasons for a crap wagon.Kmd4390 wrote:Vote Animorph. Deadline coming up and he's lurking and has a wagon on him.
I don't want to take my vote off of Farside, though. Pom, we are friends, right? Vote KMD for me. <-- Proper way to use friendship.
Scum Team 1: Farside + KMD-
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I thought I was Mavsfan's scumbuddy? Or am I scum with anybody I don't find particularly scummy?farside22 wrote:I can say the fact you didn't see anything on morph and the fact that he is clearly not scum hunting as a mark against you with him and you as a scum team.
I actually question the fact that you felt the need to build a case against him. I say "This is why KMD is scummy" and you respond by building a case on him. Seems like distancing.Farside wrote:I also came up with a case for KMD and would vote him in a lynch was needed but I believe morph scum over kmd.
Can you clarify this statement for me?Farside wrote:in short: No reasoning, lack of scum hunting, voting for weak reason's. This doesn't not read Kmd town at all to me.
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You heard he likes riding bandwagons so you thought he might like a trip on the bus. <--Farside wrote:I also came up with a case for KMD and would vote him in a lynch was needed but I believe morph scum over kmd.LameAwesome
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Er... please read that more carefully. He isn't saying you are town.farside22 wrote:morph calls me scum and town in the same post and regarding the same reason
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Not really a misinterpretation. Also, not scummy.farside wrote:misinterperts the lynch votes for mavsfan
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He was stating his opinion. And he can't say you aren't hunting scum if he is guilty of the same thing? This is a scummy argument. Regardless of his play, he can find your play scummy.farside wrote:hypocritical post here calling me out for lack of scum hunting here
Again, not really a misinterpretation.farside wrote:more misinterperts reason for votes here
'Cause none of it is scummy. The only way you can find it scummy is by speculation about his motives.Farside wrote:So basically Gayle found none of this scummy but thinks that there is nothing scummy in morph.
Let's take a look at that. You are accusing Ani of being scum because of two "misinterpretations" and the fact that he said you weren't scum hunting. I find it hard to believe that that is enough to make the case against him so terribly damning that anyone who disagrees with it simplymustbe scum.
Also, I was so confident that your links would be nonsense that I went ahead and separated each point into separate quotes, preparing to explainwhyeach was nonsense, before I even followed the links. And I wasright.
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