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DTMaster wrote:Dude, my quote is very important when analyzing night actions.
It means if that if a doctor prevents a kill, we cannot use the doctor to clear the person from being X mafia or Y mafia.
Aka, from that rule: Cross kills cannot happen.
Hence why that note from CSL is very important. But at the same time if a mafia fails to kill someone, it is just as likely that person is the opposing mafia.
It means mafiacan only be lynched. If you fail to see the significance of that role note in the further days then you fail to catch mafia.
That's only important to know if no one dies. However with cross kills the doc still doesn't know he saved a townie or scum since there are two separate mafia groups. So this makes no sense to point out.
post 47: Actually the longing makes sense but I think who ever the doc is I hope is good a breadcrumbing results because I don't want to see a day 2 claim.
That said I don't see how DTMaster pointing this rule out is scummy.
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Although the mafia could use the doc with no kill and leading to WIFOM.
If the doc protects someone and a player dies. That player is either town or scum. However depending on if fire or ice killed one player it will at least confirm for the doc that the player they saved wasn't part of that mafia group.
So I disagree a kmd that it's completely useless.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Sorry bolded the error I made.farside22 wrote:Although the mafia could use the doc with no kill and leading to WIFOM.
If the doc protects someone and a playerlives. That player is either town or scum. However depending on if fire or ice killed one player it will at least confirm for the doc that the player they saved wasn't part of that mafia group.
So I disagree a kmd that it's completely useless.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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What did you not understand from the above?If the doc protects someone and a player lives. That player is either town or scum. However depending on if fire or ice killed one player it will at least confirm for the doc that the player they saved wasn't part of that mafia group.
So I disagree a kmd that it's completely useless.
doc protects player
one player is dead instead of two come morning.
doc knows based on type of kill that player is not part of that mafia.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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did you read the set up?Kmd4390 wrote:Pom, it looked like he was looking at things that are more important to scum than to town, but after his explanation, I see I was mistaken.
Wait, we know which scum group made which kill?
CSLMod wrote:
Welcome to Open 201, Player! You, and (XXX) are here to end the town very peacefully arctic style!
You are a member of the Ice Mafia. Your QT is here. You have one shared ability to Night Freeze ONCE PER NIGHT!
You win if all opposing forces are dead, or your faction has them by their deathbed (50% of population) Confirm IN THREAD
CSLMod wrote:
Welcome to Open 201, Player! You, along with (XXX) are here to burn them to ashes.
You are a member of the Fire Mafia. You have a QT, here. You have a shared ability to Night Burn once per night.
You win if you cover half of the population, or nothing can prevent this. Confirm in thread.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Ah I missed that mafia cannot cross kill. That wasn't in the last fire/ice game if I recall. So even if someone doesn't die the doc doesn't know if he protected the right person or if one of the scum teams tried to kill another scum team.Jim targets Jill. Tom targets Jim. Bob protects Jim.
Jill dies. Jim doesn't die because he was targeted by Ice Mafia. Therefore the doctor was null and void in this case and we learn nothing.
Or let's say Bob protects Jill. We don't know if Jill is townie or mafia because no one died. Even if doctor claimed that he protected Jill, Jill could probably be mafia. Am I missing the point you're making? In your latest point you're just speculating. We might know we don't know, and speculating will get us nowhere.
SK: What did you think was speculation? We are discussing the mechanics of the game as far as I can tell and if the doc is useful or not.
Which DTMaster had brought up and I didn't find scummy and explain why not.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Not too humilate tbh. I'm answering questions and making notes which is part of scum hunting.CSL wrote:farside22, TQO, and kmd4390 have all received a PUBLIC HUMILIATION for continuing to talk about the setup. Nothing happens this time, BUT PLEASE BE AWARE OF THE UNWRITTEN RULE "Do not try to outguess the mod, or his/her setup. It will get you nowhere."
On that note I need to go back and reread something. I don't completely agree with kmd's list but kmd's recent comments do lead to town motive now.
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DTMaster said penguin
morph said penguin
DTmaster votes morph for picking penguin. A bit hypocritical me thinks.
SaintKerrigan: 4 people were discussing the setup why did you pick me amoung the people discussing it?
I agree with DTMaster post 68
morph - not really contributing/floating so far. null read
pomergrante/elf - both these players are on my null read as well. elf with one post offers nothing so far to the game
pom at least asking questions and trying to understand things.
so far like pomergrante more then elf.
gheb - post 80 I typically agree with you there but I'm starting to learn that those who start having town vibes and get a group that feels more townish win games more then not. Also since there are 2 seperate mafia groups you kind of hope they pick the same player to attack so there is no kill for the night.
I'm torn between morph and elf as people I feel haven't contributed. Elf states busy but I remember lurky people in MM game where she said nothing and was scum so she's just someone I will look out for more.
SK isn't seeming town to me at all and this is were I disagree with KMD. Someone following others and not saying too much but one liners is not a town read at all.
morph is another not much contributer who I dont' see really helping move this game forward or offering much as far as good advice even with the set up talks.
vote: SK
By far the person who has been here the most and offered less then anyone here. Following others like Kmd and places a vote on one player over others that are all discussing the setup.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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@SK if this is true about your vote on me what about thelonging?
@ Farside: How am I following others? Doesn't the fact that I came up with the same thing KMD did about DTMaster on my own evidence that I wasn't following him? Not to mention I was the first person to say setup discussion wasn't helping us catch scum.
Kmd was the first to vote DTMaster for unknown reason. You followed this saying you know (which neither of you pointed out by the way). So to me I don't like people say guess what I found.
Also your talking about setup speculation = scum but do you think one liners with no other discussion looks town?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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FOS: Morphanimorpherv1 wrote:@kmd
kmd wrote:Animorph, you told the doc not to claim if they think they successfully protected a player.Any competent doc wouldn't do that in the first place.It was your only content post at the time and basically said nothing.You're avoiding contributing to any kind of discussionand I find that scummy.But what if we have a docwho's never been a doc before?
I can't contribute much unbtill i find someone scummy.
Your job is to scum hunt. The least you can do is talk about players and what you think and not just say well I can't contribute.
Also when quoting someone you need to put a quotation mark before (") and after their name (")Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Not sure how this question helps with finding scum.farside22, what's your favorite Open setup that is being run? (Bonus: Does it have any interesting mechanics?)
I can't believe 4 people just said they didn't have anything from the discussion as far as scum suspects.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I missed something in my post sorry.
As for those that have nothing to add. Please see the quote and do as it says.
The least you can do is talk about players and what you think and not just say well I can't contribute.unvote:
vote: Slaxx
This by far the worst reason and vote out there. Says there that everything was a waste of talk. Voting RVS at this point is a waste.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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elf/morph/slaxx/pom all said the same thing which is I have nothing."I have no reads" is less scummy and more productive then: "I vote Pom just cause?"
Slaxx expended on that by calling it a waste of time and doing an RVS vote.
Pom's questions at large are useless to scum hunting.
I have 1 vote and went to the one player who's comment struck me as the summiest of the bunch. I almost wanted to roll a die on who to vote for.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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So the past five pages gave you no insight to anyone at all?Pomegranate wrote:Yes, my questions at large don't have much use for scumhunting. I knew that when I posted them. They are there to spark discussion, as it seemed to be lagging. Scumhunting comes from discussion.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Mod: Please post the deadline in the vote count.
DTMaster what is the difference between Slaxx and mavsfan41
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Slaxx - start date 01/01/10. # of post 4
mavsfan41 - start date 01/10/10. # of post 2
Basically Slaxx had too more post then mavsfan and slaxx had said pretty much next to nothing this game too.
So what is your point between them?
Also note there are 2 scum teams not 1 scum team. pairing 4 players together as one doesn't really make sense this game.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Your putting four players together as one scum group how does that help exactly when there is two scum groups?DTMaster wrote:@Farside
1.Slaxx just corrected his RVS vote. If you do a quick Iso read, he's responding to the lack of update on his vote or miscount on his vote. In terms of both players I'll break it down into 3 components, content, actions, and general posts.
Content and posts are agreeable to be the same, but Slaxx is actually doing something by voting. I might agree, like you that it could have been a better vote but Mav and Ani aren't providing anything.
This to me is scummier then Slaxx. A RVS is better then thin air when we have a week deadline for day 1, especially when you posted 2 hours after CSL's post, rather then Slaxx's 6 minutes.
2. Scratch that you are scum. Only scum would care about lynching specific factions. Seriously, we have 2 teams of 2 which equals two 4 scum players that we have to lynch. How does it not make sense to list off your top 4 suspects? I don't know what factions these 4 players are in together, if they are scum they are just scum.
If you have to justify whether or not they are "fire" or "ice" now that's just silly.
Unvote. Vote farside22.
So a vote from many pages ago doesn't count, it's still an RVS vote and he doesn't carry on the conversation in anyway. States the speculation takes away from scum hunting (doesn't scum hunt) and repeats his vote and this makes him town in some way over slaxx?
I think I know who slaxx scum partner is folksSarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Why is it that DTmaster mentions a scum group and you don't say boo to him?Slaxx wrote: Farside already looking for scum partners 6 pages in is kind of ridiculous. We have no confirmed guilties or innocents besides ourselves. Buddying up/ sucking up is one thing, but I see none of that in any posts so far.
Also my post is in response to how he acted when I comment about him putting four people together in a group then anything.
Actually your post is much better here except for you repeating what DTMaster said about you, which I really dislike people doing for any reason.
Why did you wait to comment on things till now with more vigger? Why do you find the first few pages useless?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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@DTMaster
Just looking at your group of scum it seems 3 people are because of mavsen, including mavsen. Morph is on his own. It seemed to me your matching players up based on what they say in regards to him, again except morph.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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My vote on slaxx was for lack of participation in the game at hand or did you miss my reason's for voting for him.The Quintastic One wrote:So you put mild pressure on a person, they put up at least a halfway logical answer, and then you unvote and vote on the next best target? I'm not saying I ever believed Slaxx of being scummy, but what are you gonna do when Mav eventually finds his way back to this thread and posts a mildly logical argument against your vote?
It seems like your just going after mildly inactive easy targets rather than really believing these guys to be scum. Which would explain why your not exactly being aggressive in your pursuits, but I still don't like how you're just bouncing around without really solidifying your scumtells. But I'm still waiting on hearing from Ani and Mav about the accusations brought to them before I consider you strongly. sooo
PoS (pinky of suspicion): Farside22.
mavs is definately one of the players that offered nothing this game. However his nothing is less then morph (still suspect) pop (pointless questions do not provoke scum hunting) elf (I'm busy but here's a post)
Elf and morph are dangerously close for who I find scummier based or their post but still offer just that little bit more then mansv.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Thank you I need to remind myself about this since he went on V/LA that I still think he is scum and that hasn't changed, but mansv lynch is more then what The Quintastic One. There is a thing call content. Providing and moving the game along. Saying it's a lurker lynch is really downplaying the reasoning behind mansv.Reading the post where Farside votes Saint, and Saint's reaction, I can see Saint as scum.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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As I said I thought DTMaster was trying to group 3 out of 4 players into one group, when there is two separate alliances. If he said I find x, y, z and a scum and here is why I would not even have said boo about 2 seperate scum groups but when 3 people are lumped into 1 group it's just a reminder there are 2 seperate groups. Looking for links between players is a good thing.Gayle wrote: farside because of her argument over listing four scum.
Manvs by the way I saw he was online and didn't post here. Lurking, not posting (aka avoiding) ups him as scum even more for me as avoiding a game and not wanting to answer is typically a scum move.
morph: Please explain who I went from town to scum with that write up of yours?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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*cough*Gayle wrote:I would like to replace mavsfan rather than risk a mislynch due to little information. I really don't want to mislynch a lurker in this setup.
Why do you think it would be a mislynch?Manvs by the way I saw he was online and didn't post here.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Why would a player that is town avoid posting in a game that they are being accused in?Gayle wrote:I don't necessary think he would be a mislynch, rather that with his grand total of 2 posts we have very little to determine if he is scum or not. It would basically just be a gamble, and the odds are better that he is town. Apparently he is going to be "force replaced" (far stronger than a normal replacement), and so I don't see any reason why we shouldn't wait to see what his replacement has to say.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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And of course nothing about the fact there is are votes on him and he is avoiding the game is looked upon as town why again? With comments about his post and lack there for.Gayle wrote:
Well, I don't automatically assume he is playing that way intentionally. There are any number of reasons for a person to lurk. He could have two posts because he is scum. He could have two posts because he has no idea where to start with this game. It is risky to make assumptions and lynch him, when we can wait for the replacement and form an opinion with a stronger foundation.Gheb wrote:@Gayle
Doesn't the fact that he only posted 2 times up to now bother you? I can't think of any town-alligned reason to play that way, especially since it has been reported that he visited mafiascum a couple of times.
He can and should be in here defending himself. Not lurking and avoiding a game. There is no town reason for that.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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That's worse case but you missed the doc. You missed the fact that mafia targeting each other can me 1 less death for any of those days.animorpherv1 wrote:Just to make sure I get this right (WCS)
8 town, 2 Fire , 2 Ice (D1)
We mislynch 7 town, 2 Fire, 2 Ice (N1)
both kills go through 5 town, 2 Fire, 2 Ice (D2)
mislynch 3 town, 2 Fire, 2 Mafia (N2)
both kills go through 1 town, 2 fire, 2 Ice (D3) (guaranteed loss)
mislynch 0 town, 2 Fire, 2 Ice (N3) (DRAW)
So we have 1 or 2 mislynches in WCS, with no Mafia lynched.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Lets click the problems with your comments so farGayle wrote:
Of course?farside22 wrote:And of course nothing about the fact there is are votes on him and he is avoiding the game is looked upon as town why again? With comments about his post and lack there for.
He can and should be in here defending himself. Not lurking and avoiding a game. There is no town reason for that.What?When did I say that mavsfan looked like town? I said that lynching mavsfan is a gamble. A mavsfan lynch is essentially a policy lynch as there is not even a semblance of a case against him. He has two posts, therefore he is scum. You saw him online, therefore he is scum. Who knows why he was online? Who knows why he only has two posts? With the town to scum ratio, a mislynch is particularly bad. There is no reason to rush a lynch now when we can get a replacement to help us get a better read.
Vote: Farside22for pursuing this ridiculous lynch so strongly.
1) talks about it as a mislynch
2) says maybe the person has nothing to talk about and doesn't know how to get into the game
3) calls it a lurker lynch
4) keeps avoiding the fact that mansv was see on MS and did not post in this game even to defend himself and you want to point to me as scum?
@myko: Did you see elf post or come on the site at all or avoid this game?
The amount of defense that Gayle is giving masvan leads me to believe they could be scum together. So far she hasn't said one town reason to avoid posting in the game and does a vote calling me pushing the case when clearly I'm pushing her for answers of this defense.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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This seems to me gayle saying mansv is town stating odds but not expanding on why the odds of him being town are grater then scum.Gayle wrote:I don't necessary think he would be a mislynch, rather that with his grand total of 2 posts we have very little to determine if he is scum or not.It would basically just be a gamble, and the odds are better that he is town. Apparently he is going to be "force replaced" (far stronger than a normal replacement), and so I don't see any reason why we shouldn't wait to see what his replacement has to say.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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How many times you calling someone with 2 post that just got replaced town gayle?
I even posted your quote where you said most likely town.
So you know this person's alignment and thoughts and feelings based on what again?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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You know the profile and searching for post are down but I you lynch me see I flip town and know I was telling the truth about masvOne last time, Farside. Prove to me that Mavsfan was purposely avoiding the game.
Your gamble is all calling mans town over scum. You haven't stated a reason you find the dude town even when I point out I saw him online and now you want proof afterwards.........
yup pretty sure gayle is scum twisting in the wind.
sanhora since you are the party being disussed between myself and gayle. What is your view on the argument.
As for why I picked kmd or sk. Kmd is harder for me to read as town or as scum. I wanted to pressure kmd to see if I could read him get a view on his alignment and I felt no closer but sk started comming off as scummier to me.@Farside
-Why did you vote KMD over SK in post 48?
-What did you mean with '@Myko' in post 182?
Oh that was supposed to be morph not myko.
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Gayle said that mansv is a mislynch
gayle said that mansv is more likely town then scum with no reason.
At no time did gayle ever say that mansv could be scum.
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vote: Gayle
some either knows a players alignment or is helping said scum buddy.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Gayle wrote:I would like to replace mavsfan rather than risk a mislynch due to little information. I really don't want to mislynch a lurker in this setup.Gayle wrote:I don't necessary think he would be a mislynch, rather that with his grand total of 2 posts we have very little to determine if he is scum or not. It would basically just be a gamble, and the odds are better that he is town. Apparently he is going to be "force replaced" (far stronger than a normal replacement), and so I don't see any reason why we shouldn't wait to see what his replacement has to say.A mavsfan lynch is essentially a policy lynch as there is not even a semblance of a case against him. He has two posts, therefore he is scum. You saw him online, therefore he is scum. Who knows why he was online? Who knows why he only has two posts? With the town to scum ratio, a mislynch is particularly bad. There is no reason to rush a lynch now when we can get a replacement to help us get a better read.
1st quote mislynch commentI point to you as scum because I cannot verify he actually did as you say and even if he was online, you have no idea why or what kind of reason he might have for not posting. Your reason for lynching him is pure speculation. Yet you push to lynch him rather than waiting for his replacement.
2nd quote talks about it as a gamble say mas town over scum with no reason
Although saying the last two quote refuses to answer the question of why a person who is town would refuse to post in a game they are suspect in.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Look at my newest comment and tell me where it's wrongGayle wrote:
Now you've taken to ignoring my posts entirely, I see.farside22 wrote:Gayle said that mansv is a mislynch
gayle said that mansv is more likely town then scum with no reason.
At no time did gayle ever say that mansv could be scum.
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One you never said that you said most likely townDear Miss Farside,
How many times do I have to repeat that I didn't call Mavsfan town? How many times do I have to repeat that there is not sufficient evidence to prove that he is either town or scum? How many times do I have to repeat that if there is not enough evidence for a read, then the result is essentially a gamble? How many times do I have to repeat that in that gamble we have far more likely a chance of lynching town than scum? How many times are you going to twist my words and ignore the actual meaning of my argument? How many [continued on reverse]
Nope it's me letting the town know I think you are scum with mans and if my lynch is something that is needed to prove I'm telling the truth about mansv and seeing him online and not only only but looking in on Little Italy then I'm more then happy to have it happen as long as the town remembers this and knows I'm being truthful afterward."You'll be sorry when I flip town!" Standard scum procedure. Also, her flip is somehow indicative of Mavsfan's alignment.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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yup ignores the quotes where she even saidGayle wrote:Farside:It is wrong, as I have already explained, time after time. You refuse to acknowledge my explanations at all. Arguing further with you is a waste of time.
Farside is scum.
DTM is scum.
These are facts.
Now I'm going to take a look at TQO.
Even when she used the word mislynch too. She just can't take back her words.I don't necessary think he would be a mislynch
Look the OMGUS on top especially with DTM.
My quotes are facts so far you have no facts at all.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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You know why you have to answer this because gayle the fact is you are defending this players action.I don't have to list a town reason for lurking. He could be lurking for any reason. You prove that Mavsfan doesn't have a good reason not to be here. I'm not defending Mavsfan, I'm trying to tell town why it is a bad idea to lynch a person for lurking right now.
When you state this it gives 2 options. Well we are not at the start of the game so again why would a player who is town not come in and lurk and avoid posting when they are the prime suspect?Well, I don't automatically assume he is playing that way intentionally. There are any number of reasons for a person to lurk. He could have two posts because he is scum. He could have two posts because he has no idea where to start with this game.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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All I can do is ask the mod which I did. As you know there is no way to find a post per player on a day any more so your.Gayle wrote:I've answered it time and time again. Prove to me that he was refusing to post in this game.
What will you do when the mod confirms he picked up his prod. What little hole will you take then?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Last time with feeling. Why would a player that is being accused in a game not post to defend themselves if they were in fact town?I would then ask you to prove to me that he was refusing to post in this game.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Gayle wrote:Prove to me that the reason he wasn't posting is because he is being accused in this game.
I have asked you 4 times this question and now you want me to prove he wasn't posting in here when there is 3 to 4 votes in here and he picked up his prod and you see this as something normal?
You see nothing sinister or scummy with a person who avoids a game that they are the prime suspect?
Your going to say that a person who knows they are being prodded would just ignored the prod and not at least respond in some way when they picked up that prod and this just rings nothing remotely questionable?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I stated I saw him online looking in Little Italy. You don't want to believe me because why?Gayle wrote:Farside, my point is thatMavsfan's motives cannot be known. You say that he was purposefully avoiding the thread. I say that there is no way to prove that he was purposefully avoiding the thread. At the time, lynching because of such a thing was a bad idea, because there was no other reason for him to be suspected as scum. Lynching him was more likely to result in a townie lynch than a scum lynch. I wanted us to instead wait for the replacement. Which part of this do you not understand?
Also if the mod says he picked up his prod. That means he was here on MS. Which means he was around, which means avoiding playing in this game.
There is no well maybe this, or maybe that.
You can't say well he picked up his prod but maybe he was busy. So what he just came online to just check a few things and left without a word? Is that your view.
Again what town reason is there to avoid posting.
You know why he was suspected. First DT master had a point about his nonvote and seeing deadline in a week. That doesn't help the town
2. he posted 2 comments that offered nothing to the game saying he has nothing to add. It's not that hard to read things and make views on players. He did no of this along iwth Elf who I FOS'ed and Ani who I did the same with.
Saying there is nothing to comment is a COP-OUT I consider it scummy to the point of anti-town. Either way not town.
So unless you can prove to me he was not avoiding this game. Your defense of him just comes off as scummy trying to save a scum partner.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Gayle did you even read this post from CSL in regards to Mavsfan?
CSL wrote:(The deadline might start getting here a little faster if I don't see a lot of posting. FIVE posts since 10pm. I should be seeing at least TEN. I'd even be happy with SEVEN.)
Also, in case you want to know. A regular prod takes two days to respond. A RAGEPROD takes only one. Mavsfan got a RAGEPROD because he's been posting in different areas. It's not activelurking I'm RPing him for, it's ignorance if this game. Anyways, if I see a few more posts happening between 10pm and 4pm, I might not move the deadline at all. If it moves, it moves closer, with the exception of a replacement so close to deadline. I would push it to give the replacements more breathing room. I know I might sound like a madmod, but I'm testing to see how well you guys do under deadline pressure, especially close to the start of the game. Anyways, good luck!Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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This was stated on the 3rd. The 4th was when the mod looked for a replacement.CSL wrote:Mav has 1 more day. Animorpherv will be prodded, and I have prodded xofelf via AIM.
Anyone want to tell me when the mod gave us that 1 week deadline after mansv posted?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Are you shitting me? Are you really serious? WHY WOULD A PLAYER THAT IS POSTING ELSE WHERE AVOID A GAME THEY ARE BEING ACCUSED IN IF THEY ARE TOWN?Gayle wrote:
And this proves that he was purposefully avoiding this game because of the accusation made against him? How does this make it better to lynch Mavsfan rather than waiting for his replacement?farside22 wrote:Gayle did you even read this post from CSL in regards to Mavsfan?
Stop avoiding this. Because that post from CSL proves he was posting elsewhere when there was heat on him. It proves he was avoiding this game and now you have nothing to say other then ithat.
Lynch scum Gayle pleaseSarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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By the way mansv posted on the 1st of Feb. The mod gave him another day to post on the 3rd and searched for a replacement on the 4th?
Question to the mod:
Before searching for a replacement did you prod mansv again?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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DTMaster I'm starting to agree with 3 people on your list now.
Gayle has asked for proof that masv was posting elsewhere. When given the proof she want's proof he's avoiding this game. Ummm duh he wasn't posting here when posting in other game. That in itself is all the proof.
I question Gayle because she has called it a mislynch, backtracked that statement and stated the player in question is more likely town then scum based on nothing at all.
When trapped with the fact the mod even stated he was posting elsewhere she say this:
What else would you call a player that is posting elsewhere but not in a game they are being accused?And this proves that he was purposefully avoiding this game because of the accusation made against him? How does this make it better to lynch Mavsfan rather than waiting for his replacement?
I have seen this happen before but the game is currently in progress so I can't go further then say it looks to familiar to me to back down.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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What word would you use in place of avoid?Going to keep up with this scummy argument, huh? I asked for proof that Mavsfan was purposefully avoiding this game. There is none.
He is posting else in another game and not posting here. What other word would you use?
1) Lets see actually statement: You are calling it a mislynch (twice). This implies you know something about the lynch or alignment of a player
2) backtracks comment (not a mislynch) Calls it gambling stating the player has better odds of being town because why?
You still avoid the why of this?
Gayle: Do you wipe away the slate of a player who replaces another you find scummy? Why or why not?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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First things first. Morph has incorrectly interpreted the reason I'm pushing Gayle. It has nothing to do with the person being replaced.
FOS: MORPHfarside22 wrote:
What word would you use in place of avoid?
He is posting else in another game and not posting here. What other word would you use?
If I see a player looking in on Little Italy who should be posting in here and doesn't. They are avoiding the game on purpose.The keyword isn't avoid, the keyword is purposefully.
If you know a player is avoiding a game how can you say they are not avoiding it on purpose?
I don't care if someone replaces in a game where I find someone scummy. I'm not going to ignore the fact that the person was a newbie. Newbie typically as scum say little to nothing because they don't know how to respond as scum. This is what I see as a mod. The fact that the person who posting just once since this argument is typically not a good sign either.
So let me get this straight you think he's town because of the odd's %
Doesn't that mean anyone in this game has the same odds of being town that you just gave mavsfan? You do realize that there are 2 scum groups that can't kill each other and may actually want to lynch a player from the opposite alignment?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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It's hard to paraphrase what the mod said but the best I can do is him asking me if I saw the dude posting elsewhere.
I pointed to him the game I saw him in and left it at that.
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I'm starting to get that this is a town on town argument. But I don't think Gayle listens. It's not about a replacement to me. I don't care that CSL got a replacement. I see a player that is posting elsewhere. Got prodded and ignoring this game it's scummy. Lack of post is a newbie scum tell.
The reason I'm voting morph.
misinterperts the purpose of the vote. Offers nothing to the game. Active lurkering. All equal's scum.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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No the bottom is the reason's I'm voting for morph.Gayle wrote:
This is why the mod shouldn't comment on discussion.Kmd4390 wrote:CSL's 278 has me wondering if we are on the wrong track with Gayle...
I think you are using it as an excuse though.
Explain clearly the reason you voted me, and the reason you unvoted.
@Farside:Is the bottom of your 293 addressed to me? If it is you are still "misinterpreting" what I said. Also there is a difference between not listening and not agreeing.
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Read the issues here. (1) your saying I'm misinterperting your post based on mislynch and saying someone is more likely town then scum because of %.Gayle wrote:@Farside:Is the bottom of your 293 addressed to me? If it is you are still "misinterpreting" what I said. Also there is a difference between not listening and not agreeing.
Is this wrong so far?
2) your saying you reconize now that he (mas) was avoiding but you want to pounce on the word purposely because you think purposely makes the fact he's avoiding the game worse or something?
If a player is avoiding a game how is it not on purpse? Please explain this becuase you have been holding this prove to me he was avoiding on purpose. When I showed he avoided the game that you have this attitude I can't even understand.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Are you talking about this post?farside22 wrote:It's hard to paraphrase what the mod said but the best I can do is him asking me if I saw the dude posting elsewhere.
I pointed to him the game I saw him in and left it at that.
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I'm starting to get that this is a town on town argument. But I don't think Gayle listens. It's not about a replacement to me. I don't care that CSL got a replacement. I see a player that is posting elsewhere. Got prodded and ignoring this game it's scummy. Lack of post is a newbie scum tell.
The reason I'm voting morph.
misinterperts the purpose of the vote. Offers nothing to the game. Active lurkering. All equal's scum.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Sorry you were talking about this post.
Then yes this was directed to gayle. I got post # mixed up.
farside22 wrote: So let me get this straight you think he's town because of the odd's %
Doesn't that mean anyone in this game has the same odds of being town that you just gave mavsfan? You do realize that there are 2 scum groups that can't kill each other and may actually want to lynch a player from the opposite alignment?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Are you now backtracking from this? Are you now calling the mod a liar too?
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What word would you use in place of avoid?
He is posting else in another game and not posting here. What other word would you use?The keyword isn't avoid, the keyword is purposefully.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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What word would you call it if a player is posting elsewhere on MS and not posting in this game if not the word avoiding?
You said
That above is you sayingThe keyword isn't avoid, the keyword is purposefully
You can't have both. You can't say well yes he's posting elsewhere and then not have a defination or word to describe the word of him not posting in this game?No, I don't recognize that he was avoiding the game. My whole argument was that we don't know if he was avoiding the game. The rest is semantics.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Also You keep either on purpose or blindly missing my comment where I state that I saw him looking in little italy and did not post in this game before he was replaced.
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