Open 216 - Generic Reality Television Mafia! Day 2!

[Deer]

vote: imaginality

for having an award. makes me feel jealous

[Deer]

he doesn't have an award...

and although he was majorly irritating in the last game I played with him, that's no excuse to policy lynch him right off the bat.

[Deer]

you'll see.

[Deer]

well, also, both me and furc are dead in that game and know our various alignments. so it's not a huge deal to talk about it in a limited context.

I've never played with this setup before, what is hypocopping? Where everyone claims cop and makes up/tells their actual report?

[Deer]

a no lynch today is a bad idea. what if mafia hits a cop tomorrow? why not have some discussion today so we can gain some information?

[Deer]

Me too. I can't find any flaws, really, except I don't know if I totally agree with this:

[1]It's possible it could be better if players list an innocent result on someone they think is pro-town, and a guilty on someone they suspect, rather than choosing purely at random. This would make it harder for the mafia to narrow down their suspects based on their behaviour (e.g. someone trying to get their guilty result lynched might be more likely to be cop).

If there's someone who is blatantly town and someone who acts totally scummy, I wouldn't want lots of the same or similar cop results. Better to do it at random, if you ask me.

[Deer]

Anyways, though, as Chrono said, we should get to this once D2 happens.

Imaginality, was that vote serious? Do you think him saying he's in favor of hypocopping without providing reasoning is scummy? Why?

[Deer]

Yeah, yeah, the case on ksen is weak. But the thing is, everyone already knew that - nobody in their right mind would lynch ksen because of the case presented. You going out of your way to defend something that doesn't need defending is a little suspicious.

And Scorp, nobody's tunneling yet, by the way. We're on page 4.

[Deer]

Please people stop saying things like "nobody in their right mind". This is a game of deception. Introducing more WIFOM than necessary is anti-town.

How is that WIFOM? I'm just a little confused - do you not agree that nobody here would lynch ksen on page 4 for what he's said so far?

[Deer]

Yeah, kunk, don't you think that hypocopping, at least in the way you described it, just helps scum weed out the cops? I'm fine with imaginality's suggestion, it seems like a fairly solid idea. But by posting one result like that, scum can find out who the cops are/aren't.

[Deer]

Ok, everyone who hopped aboard that XScorpion wagon (looking at you, Shattered and chnorek) gets a major

FoS

from me. Taking advantage of someone who acts like Scorp for an easy mislynch is a very scummy move.

[Deer]

@Deer: Please enighten me as to how XScorp is being pro-town. Then please tell me how someone not being pro-town deserves to live, and hurt town further. Thanks, ever so.

Anti-town =/= scum. And right now, I want to lynch scum, not make a policy lynch on an anti-town player. He deserves to live because I think, as of now, he's just a dumb townie. Sucks to keep him around, but like I said, I'd rather lynch scum.

Who's your top suspect right now? Second suspect?

1. You (Shattered Viewpoint)

2. chnorek

Both for hopping aboard the XScorp wagon with weak reasoning. Kunk I'm not as suspicious of, even though he did place the second vote. He has a townie feel from me.

unvote, vote: Shattered

[Deer]

blah blah blah blah NEWBIE SCUM blah blah terrified blah blah blah SCUM blah blah blah

FTFY.

unvote

Vote: mavsfan41

It is not a "stupid wagon vote." It's a legitimate vote as he's legitimately scum.

That's the second time you've done something like this. You wanna stop wagoning on easy targets and actually try and contribute something to the game? I fully am with Ythan here.

[Deer]

chnorek, do you find xscorpion to be scummy or simply anti-town? Why?

[Deer]

Some heavy AtE you got going there, mavs.

[Deer]

Holy hell, Shattered. Do you ever not bandwagon?

No, but bad play can (and should be) punished, as it's inherently anti-town. (Not to say that anti-town activity should be given more weight than scummy activity. No, quite the opposite.)

This doesn't even make sense. How do you punish someone without lynching them? Bandwagoning? If it's just anti-town play, rather than scummy play, like how I think Scorpion's playing, what do you do?

Nice switch there imaginality.

Do you find that scummy? Are you calling out a scumteam? What does this mean?

[Deer]

People voting chnorek, why is he scummier than SV?

[Deer]

vote: chnorek

until he finally "catches up" and does something that can prove me wrong about his scumminess. Reading him in ISO, he hasn't done anything of worth. I still don't like SV's bandwagoning, but like Xscorp said, he's at least made an effort to defend himself.

[Deer]

Okay, I really think SV and chnorek are scumbuddies - that was pretty much a slip right there in SV's post. One of them is getting lynched today please.

[Deer]

You trying to "prove" to the town you're not his buddy really implies that you are. Maybe not a slip, per se, but a really scummy post.

[Deer]

vote: chnorek until he finally "catches up" and does something that can prove me wrong about his scumminess. Reading him in ISO, he hasn't done anything of worth. I still don't like SV's bandwagoning, but like Xscorp said,

he's at least made an effort to defend himself.

1. what do you want me to defend against?
2. you are calling me scum but voting for different reason?


(bed time for me)

1. why you haven't attempted to scumhunt at all
2. what?

[Deer]

What a tangled web has been woven.

People I wouldn't mind seeing dead: xScorpion, Chnorek,

Ythan

tbh I don't exactly see the SV wagon, can someone point out the slips that he's made?

Really? He's just trying to appease the town and is only bandwagoning.

[Deer]

Deer, do you have anything to contribute other than one liners? Which are almost always questions?

No?

[Deer]

In all seriousness, though, check my meta. My posts are usually brief.

[Deer]

Alright, I'm here.

How is Ythan acting different than normal? He's just posting slightly less. Not a huge deal.

Anyways, I'm fine with a chnorek or SV lynch today.

[Deer]

Mavs, that's all you have to say after your prod? That's entirely IoA there. (information over analysis if you didn't know)

[Deer]

I didn't even know there were questions directed at me. I'll look at them when I get the time - I'm posting from my iPod and it's a bitch to reread threads.

[Deer]

...what just happened?

Mavs, are you scum or not? Either way, calling people scummy for jumping on the wagon of a claimed scum is just not right. But don't do that again, please, it ruins the game for others.

[Deer]

mavs, mavs, mavs...here's my results:

mafia: nopointinactingup
town: chnorek

[Deer]

Chronopie and Deer didn't have wagons yesterday. You did. Chnorek got a lot of scum hypocops, which given his wagon yesterday, doesn't seem coincidental. Yet you, the second leading bandwagon (Ignoring Mavs), didn't get a single hypocop. I'm not sure exactly what to make of the results...

Protecting who? Chrono and Deer? Because they totally need protecting right now </sarcasm>

What about the whole random.org deal? I thought the non-cops were supposed to use that. I don't think speculation on who was hypocopped/who wasn't is going to get us anywhere if that was the case.

That being said, I still think SV/Chnorek are scumbuddies just based on their play. As for the other...it's yet to be determined.

[Deer]

Ah, you're probably right, Miyu.

And, yeah, we should probably just let these results be for now. Until a cop is revealed, then speculating on them is less effective than speculating on play.

[Deer]

I say you're probably right in that the scum wouldn't use random.org.

Anyways, I really would like a chnorek or SV lynch today, like I pretty much said yesterday before the whole mavs incident.

[Deer]

It's WIFOMy, but I'm okay with adding more pressure.

vote: Shattered

[Deer]

I somewhat resent that accusation of a "floater." My posts are generally fairly short, but I've been posting a reasonable amount, I thought.

@Miyu: Of course I don't deny that SV was under pressure yesterday, but after the whole mavs deal, we needed to get this game back on track. By more pressure I want him to come in and defend his scummy play from the day before and see if he can prove to me that he's town. I'm okay with a chnorek lynch today, too, but I want to see what SV has to say.

[Deer]

Deer. What is different between toDay and yesterDay. Why do you think that pressure on SV toDay will magically make him explain his actions? He didn't do it yesterDay, so why would you expect him to do it toDay? Did the two of you have a conversation about strategy during the Night?

The difference between toDay and yesterDay is that yesterDay, mavs claimed scum even though he was a cop. I think more pressure on SV will magically get him lynched, which is what I want. I've come to the realization that he won't defend his scumminess from yesterday, but whatever. We did not have a conversation about strategy during the Night.

What, exactly, is WIFOMy? XScorp's vote, or the hypothesis that Ythan was killed because he "picked out scum"? Also, what do you expect to accomplish by adding more pressure? (I might add, putting me at L-4 is hardly pressure, but I digress.) Also also, if I am scum (which I'm not) who do you think my partners might be? (Yes, I'm asking for conjecture.)

The hypothesis that Ythan was killed because he "picked out scum" is WIFOMy. And if you are scum, then I think chnorek is your partner, and from there I'm a little fuzzy. Possibly chrono, possibly nopoint or kunk. It's not XScorp, IMO. That wall-o'-text and your guys's back-and-forth doesn't cry out "scumbuddies" to me.

[Deer]

@both: What?

[Deer]

SV, don't you think there's better places to put your vote than imaginality, who's been one of the towniest people this game?

[Deer]

Nopoint, if SV is not scum, who is?

[Deer]

Although SV is scummy, kunk did just blatantly misrep him. I might have to re-evaluate SV. Reread in progress.

[Deer]

How did kunkstar misrep SV, Deer?

Two quotes obviously out of context.

[Deer]

Whoa. I started to make a post to defend SV, but I really remembered this wrong.

EBWOP: It's not even a frakking

pressure vote.

I'm not voting right now. It's, whaddyacall, a pressure intention-vote.

Pressure for lurking. (Mine, at least.)

Say what? Backpedal harder scum.

The first quote (which you quote

out of context)

was after I voted peanutman. The second quote (again

out of context)

was talking about imaginality.

This quote (from SV) is blatantly wrong.

Here's what happened:

1. SV votes peanutman. I ask him "what?"

2. SV says this:

Pressure for lurking. (Mine, at least.)

3. More stuff happens. SV says he wants to vote imaginality for lurking. People get mad at him. He says this after talking about imaginality's lurking:

EBWOP: It's not even a frakking

pressure vote.

I'm not voting right now. It's, whaddyacall, a pressure intention-vote.

So, either he got the order of the quotes wrong (possible, I guess) or he just lied.

Anyways, I did this while reading SV in ISO, which confirmed my original read on him. He's scum.

[Deer]

Are my posts invisible to chnorek or something?

XScorp is playing like a jester. Either he is scum or stupid but doesnt seem to be really as stupid as he looks here. That makes him scum in my eyes.

This is scummy as all hell.

[Deer]

@ XScorpion, Deer, Miyu, kunkstar7: do you think SV is scumbuddies with chnorek or not? If no, why not? If yes, come join us on the chnorek wagon.

I do. The order we lynch them doesn't really matter to me, so

unvote, vote: chnorek

[Deer]

There's two explanations for what GroupThink just did:

1. He's a cop and got a guilty on Imaginality last night. If this is the case, keep in mind the tailoring factor.

2. He's just bad town.

I don't want to lynch imaginality today, though. I much, much prefer a chnorek/SV lynch. GT, why are you so tunneled on him?

[Deer]

Not the vote on imaginality. This:

If the person I'm voting for isn't scum, I'm fine with being tomorrow's lynch. I'll even vote myself.

That's a confident man, and either he's playing a bad town game or he has reasons to be so confident.

[Deer]

Although I think the rolefishing still applies, I don't see why you are singling him out as a cop. So FoS is still there, because it also is showing to me that you are ready to cast doubt onto any claimed results.

I see what you mean. The only reason I said that is basically because, in a newbie game I played a while back, Cop Ellibereth pulled a similar move ("I want to lynch this guy and you guys can lynch me tomorrow if he's town"). The player was indeed scum - Elli didn't have a guilty but kind of just PoE'd it.

I also just felt that a VT wouldn't be that confident unless he's, well, bad town. Which GT has also shown himself to be, so that could possibly be the explanation.

[Deer]

SV, why don't you feel like contributing?

[Deer]

...SV is just digging his own grave at this point.

unvote, vote: Shattered Viewpoint

Top three suspects?

SV
chnorek
tie between chrono and nopoint.

[Deer]

Please, Dear Deer, do tell what I've done. First, I get lambasted due to not posting. Now, I post and engage everyone in discussion, and I get voted.

[Deer]

In fact,

mod, could you delete those last two posts, pretty please?

Done.

[Deer]

In case the mod does delete those last posts, I said SV's been acting way too scummy to ignore.

[Deer]

Town: XScorp
Scum: Kunk

[Deer]

vote: Empking

For being chnorek's replacement. I think there's still a great chance him and SV were scumbuddies.

[Deer]

Right now I'm almost 100% sure Empking is our 2nd scum. Post please people.

QFT. We just need to lynch this scumbag.

[Deer]

I'm calling the scumteam as Empking/nopoint/Chrono.

[Deer]

vote: nopointinactingup

cause, well, yeah.

[Deer]

Alright I'm here. Finals week, it's been busy. After tomorrow, it will be better, no more school yay

unvote

So it's either XS/nopoint or Chrono/GT. While nopoint is scummy, I've always had a town read on XS. Chrono and GT...not so much.

So, I'm going to

vote: chronopie

. I'm trying to wrap my head around how Chrono could be town and I just can't do it. If the scumteam is indeed XS/nopoint, congratulations, you've deserved the win.

[Deer]

Cool. GT tomorrow and let's finish this game.

[Deer]

Nopoint, think about this logically. If I was scum, I would have won yesterday. I didn't post, but that doesn't mean I wasn't checking up on the thread. Combine that with GroupThink's obvious defense of Chrono at the end of the day, and there's no way it's anyone but GT.

VOTE: GroupThink

[Deer]

Um, well, yeah. I kinda fucked up. Sorry to prolong that game any longer than it had to be - I actually wasn't around or reading the thread (even though I said I was...)

But yeah, nice job scumbuddies.