Open 238: Trendy and Subversive Game Over

[jenniwren]

Hi!

Orochi already counterclaimed, so I will confirm that Orochi was the nurse and he protected Sawyer. That's all I have on that.

How has TeeJay NOT been lynched yet?

[jenniwren]

I'm a late arrival to this game, but have been keeping an eye on it because of some people I know from another game (that just ended). Anyway...I have read everything and have been trying to finish a detailed post about why I think TeeJay should be lynched POST HASTE and why Gonnano should follow him to the gallows tomorrow. This is my quick and dirty breakdown of the first portion of the game. Should the day last long enough, I will try to post again, but I wanted to get something up here before I went to sleep because I have a lot to do tomorrow, and I have to catch up in another game before I travel on Wednesday, and I don't know how long things will last, and I will probably take a swim with the fishes tonight since I am the Nurse, despite what TeeJay claims. Therefore I am trying to make both my cases before I am silenced.

Why TeeJay is scum:

First and foremost

I am the nurse and actually did protect Sawyer last night (well, Orochi did), and therefore I know TeeJay is lying.

Secondly:

He has been very scummy from the very beginning of the game. How many times has someone pointed this out? How many times has he slipped through the net? So many times have I seen people say “convenient, I don’t believe you,” or “I’m not buying it…” Your guts say he’s scum. Back it up with a vote! I’ve been making a post about his scumminess, but even just quoting and commenting with one-liners has me up to like three pages in Word.

Let me just sum it up with this.
He accuses Podium in post #45. Doesn’t find him suspicious until he’s at L-1? REEEALLY? In the midst of all the backpedaling he does with Podium’s case, he “discovers” in post #137 that Mallow is vote-hopping, and in ONE post he makes a case against Mallow (consisting of FAR less text than the one on Podium), and VOTES FOR HIM. Uh…the Podium case was about 75-80 posts long before he backs off—just at the exact time he finds Podium to be suspicious—and yet within ONE post judges and votes Mallow?

He is obviously trying to change the subject with that, but no one is buying it. In posts #152 and 153, he throws Millar in the mix, but ODDin and Podium aren’t done with making him answer for the great Podium debacle.

Sawyer’s Post 194…good catch. Oddin catches him, too, in post #141.

Just a thought about his early play:
Post # 45: Begins the case on Podium. I feel like his choice to be aggressive with Podium in the Millar/Podium incident should have been backed up with a vote. Otherwise, it’s too much like he’s trying to get a wagon going based on Millar’s vote but avoid taking the blame. I would have found his aggression less scummy had he voted.

As it is, he sticks around long enough to make sure people are into it, then vanishes, only reappearing to stir the pot some more.

It takes a lot to get me to vote, I am cautious, maybe even too cautious,

but not cautiousness that stems from scummieness

, but one that stems from not wanting to lynch the wrong guy.

Why the disclaimer? So that you can refuse to vote at the exact moment you find someone to be worth voting for? Afraid of being the bad guy…knowing that Podium was right that a rushed lynch would only throw suspicion back at you, who started the whole thing.


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Going on and making case #2 as I will probably eat it tonight if you lynch TeeJay and not me right now.

Why Gonnano is scum:
I love this post (196) about SAWYER! And guess what? He didn’t care that TEEJAY was doing the same thing!

By "he has done nothing about his scum reads" I meant that he made accusations but no votes, which I don't like.

Throws suspicion on Sawyer for not voting for his suspects…but doesn’t mention that TEEJAY did the same thing with Podium? >.> Almost seventy-five posts…most of them walls…and no vote? And SAWYER’S suspicious? Post #199

Accuses Sawyer of tying to start wagons so he can jump on whichever one takes off…never mind that TEEJAY FoS’d three people in RVS and made cases on two more, then attacked the sixth person on page two, got that one to stick, and never voted him despite his walls of text implicating him.

Okay…I’m very tired now…but I will finish this later if we’re still in daytime when I get back to the game. Otherwise…your scum team are Teejay and Gonnano.

[jenniwren]

Oh yeah, just in case I need to make it clear that I am keeping Orochi's vote on TeeJay:

VOTE: TEEJAY

[jenniwren]

Yeah Gonnano....
he accuses him at 45, but later says he didn't find suspicious enough to vote for until he was L-1. I was paraphrasing like 75 posts or more worth of material there. I believe it's pretty obvious that's what I'm saying, since it is all old news, D1 material. You accused Sawyer of trying to test wagons before hopping on one because he said people were suspicious but hadn't voted. I pointed out that TeeJay did the same damn thing by getting a good wagon going on Podium and not voting AT ALL. He would have been the SECOND vote, not the fifth, had he voted Podium when he first accused him. He makes all this noise about how he needs time to be sure someone's really guilty before even casting a vote, but makes a case and actually votes Mallow in one single post, when before, it was OBVIOUS Podium was his sole focus.

[jenniwren]

By the way, asking me to speculate about why Orochi protected Sawyer is moot; I'm sure he had his reasons, but I am not privy to them.

[jenniwren]

Sorry TeeJay, I know you're lying. It was a good play in claiming and naming a target, but basically you could have said anyone who was alive had been your target. It's ironic that you randomly picked the actual target. I can't believe you've made it this far, but I'm not in the game, so I got everything in pages rather than in posts. It was easier to see the entire tapestry that is your game that way. Have you counted how many times someone has brought up how suspicious they are of you (maybe not in those exact words, but in some form or fashion)? I don't know what black magic you have worked over them to convince them of your innocence, but it's good.

You should definitely vote TeeJay today for lying about being the nurse. He won't be NK'd, as Mafia don't suicide. He's led you on a merry chase, so you need to trust your instincts and eliminate the scum. And vote Gonnano tomorrow.

[jenniwren]

Because he said "At the very least, since both of us are goners (if your lynched, and I am NK'ed), it has been a great game. I only feel sorry that you stepped into this mess."

[jenniwren]

Podium. Go back and count how many times you said TeeJay was suspicious. How many times did you listen to him? Go back and read the entire thread yourself.

All I have here is what Orochi said and did during the night, which was to protect Sawyer. I know for certain that TeeJay is lying because of that.

[jenniwren]

I know what you're saying; there is no need to "put into words that make a little more sense" for me. The fact is, you're lying about being the nurse. Because I know that's a lie, as I am the nurse, then you must be scum. I can't answer for the others who had this position or how much they posted, but the fact of the matter is, for all you have posted, you are still scum. And the arguments about how suspicious everyone has been are not irrelevant. Everyone knows you are scum, though I think people are pursuing scum TELLS rather than scum INTENT. Tells can be committed by anyone; but the intent behind them is what should be examined. Your intent is obviously to get a scum win, as evidenced by your lying.

If you lynch me today, you will lose your nurse. There are three town and two scum left. This means that tonight, another town will die, and tomorrow, there will be two scum and one town. Today is LyLo, so you have to get it right today.

Podium, I know that you are suspicious of me because of the last game. However, this is a different game. In this game, I'm the nurse. Lynching me = town loss. If you lynch TeeJay, then you will be down one scum, and tomorrow will dawn with at least a chance for town to win, given whoever's alive votes the right person (Gonnano).

[jenniwren]

Lurking is not necessarily a scumtell.

Lying about being the nurse IS a scumtell.

TeeJay is lying. I'm the nurse, and if you lynch me, it's over.

And Podium, you did reference the other game earlier when you said I would say anything to avoid being lynched.

Anyway, that's all I can say. I voted TeeJay because I know he's lying. It's your decision now.

[jenniwren]

I believe we're waiting for Podium to break the tie; we're 2-2 atm.

We could actually not vote either of us, and instead vote Gonnano. The only problem with this plan is that of course TeeJay wouldn't actually kill me during the night and prove that I'm the nurse, but at least we would get another day out of it so we can have a fresh battle.

I will be able to check this early tomorrow morning, but I won't be back on until late tomorrow night because I will be traveling. If Podium decides to lynch me, then it was fun playing with you for the past couple of days, and if you decide to vote Gonnano, I will switch my vote as soon I get back online.

[jenniwren]

Lol, AtE, but I was right! Well, about TeeJay, anyway, sorry about that. This was a fun game to read, and I was happy to get replaced into it. As for Sawyer...in my first game, Taz said something that made me think for a second he might be a cop, but I dismissed it, and in this game, when TeeJay claimed to have protected you, I did a double take, mainly because you would be the safest person for him to claim that for, but then decided he could have just picked anyone. That was a good distraction. I've GOT to start listening to those little gut reactions. C'est la vie, lol.

[jenniwren]

I thought it was a fun game to read! There was a high participation rate, and everyone got really into the discussions. The flavor was also fun. I liked having a dead QT; I've only been dead in two games so far, and I think it would do more for keeping everyone engaged until the bitter end.