DJ wrote:
volkan: what i mean is, do you think its something more than coincidence that both the players i have accused today have moved their votes to me in response?
Depends on what you mean.
People do, understandably, focus more on cases made against them personally; it's just silly to pretend otherwise. The real issue is whether their attacks on you are in some respect defective, as suggestive that they aren't at least trying to approach you genuinely.
Imp wrote:
have you read either of their cases against me?
I skimmed, but I wasn't going to rebut their cases for you. I'll look at them in Interrogator detail now, since you say there is a problem.
Rundown of Imp's case
Imp wrote: dj 311: calling someone lazy then saying you don't feel the need to do much. INTERESTING. Also shenanigans about the whole "move on" thing, which is still really weird.
What does "INTERESTING" mean here? Are you accusing him of hypocrisy, or not?
And what shenanigans about "move on"?
Imp wrote:
dj 317: o_o.
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DJ wrote: Purple 352: a blatant accusation of rolefishing directed at lewarcher (at least that's the most notable thing IMO). Something like this needed to come from someone at some point. I really think one of lew/dj is likely scum, because I doubt a conversation like what transpired would happen between 2 mafia, but it just seems like pointless rolefishing on one of their parts and a need to continue the conversation for the other. Not much else of lew makes me suspicious, so I'm inclined to look at don for scum.
How does this point to DJ-scum?
Imp wrote:
dj 354: essentially, he's saying he has no meta. Hrm.
Actually, he said:
DJ wrote: Not sure how to answer the meta questions. I don't believe I hav a reliable meta. My style and amount of contribution depend on many variable factors both in game and rl. I hav already stated my suspects and who I'm willing to lynch atm. I have not reread the thread yet. When i do I'll let you know if anything has changed.x
The way you present it makes it sound like he is trying to avoid people attacking him based on his meta, when the actual argument he mounts is entirely reasonable.
Imp wrote:
dj 359: honestly, not much notable here. He refutes Smash's case. I still think don is scummy however, mostly because of what I already brought up in my last posts and also because of the possible rolefishing incident.
You mean the previosu points covered?
Imp wrote:dj 363: thing is, Consig never did anything. lew did.
So...?
I fail to see how this case is voteworthy, let alone L-1 worthy.
Imp+8
and
@Lew
what, in a nutshell, is your anti-DJ case?
Gonzoo wrote:
@ThAdmiral and volkan - what are your thoughts on the dj wagon?
I've only given him 5 points, which indicates my level of suspicion.
I also dislike Imp's reasoning. Is there any specific aspect you think I have missed?
Smash wrote:
Ok. I assumed that saying I would be joining the wagon meant that I agreed with the rationale. I said that the wagon was going too fast, which is why I didn't vote right away.
I know that. I can read.
My point is is and has been since the first time I raised this issue that there is an obvious inconsistency in saying that you are ready to vote (minus an artificial time buffer of a few days), but also smearing the other wagoners for joining too quickly.
Smash wrote:
By voting for a competing wagon, you allowed yourself to avoid putting a vote on the werewolf(town) wagon, and therefore the scrutiny that comes the say after. I'm sayign that your move to mallow was just so that when werewolf (the more likely lynch) would probably flip, you would have hands clean and a suspect for the next day already.
If DJ-town genuinely suspected Mallow over Werewolf should he have voted Werewolf anyway?
lew wrote:
It is my opinion that one (good) explanation for this is that smash IS in fact scum. I have no idea if DJ is town or bussing scum. He seems to react with violence to everyone voting him, but given his record I would have to assume that, as scum, he would know better than this.
To my shock, I actually agree with most of your 399. The above is the only point that bothers me. Why do you think we can expect a higher standard of play from scum-DJ than town-DJ? I'm among the first to say that OMGUS is not scummy, but you actually seem to be arguing it is a towntell.
PO wrote:
226 is pretty bad. But I do see how you could have been saying, "I agree with the reasons, but I think the wagon has moved suspiciously fast just the same," and just communicated it really badly. (Ala Zhero's FAIL communication of his thinking in the "smell a bus" post). I'm willing to consider your responses to the questions about 226 as genuine clarification, not rationalization. Other people gotta make their own calls. I think 226 has been pushed about as far as it can be pushed, though.
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I think you are being too generous here.
I can understand how somebody could both think that a wagon was reasonable but also that it was moving too quickly.
But Smash didn't do that. He indicated that he would join the wagon in a few days time. I can't see in any sense why that has any game relevance; it is, as I indicated above, entirely artificial.