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the second quote was from crypto, right? I'm pretty sure he was blatantly wrong.Fate wrote:AlmasterGM wrote:I'm pretty sure you can still post while on the guillotine.
?The prohibition of players on the guillotine to vote. I'm wondering if the mod would allow basic forms of communication via customization of the vote text; e.g., an underlined vote represents a town read, a capitalized vote represents a scum read, an italicized vote urges a return of attention to the voted player's last post.-
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I don't like the VPB vote on Concission. Concession seems town. I don't see why noobscum would be so desperate to interject their opinion.
Simenon seems like scum.
With regards to setup spec, Ythill seems MOSTLY on track. However, I think we need to distinguish between people who will be active while on the guillotine and those who will not. For example, if we lynch someone who is being fairly vocal today, vigging them seems like a poor move because it knocks them out. However, if the person on the guillotine is a lurker/minimal contributor, then they would be a good Vig target.-
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Scummy because of this:VP Baltar wrote:what do you think of Antitown, AGM?
VPB wrote:Why is fate scum? Why are you not posting more than that garbage?
Especially given that there IS and HAS BEEN content, so there's no reason for him to cling to his RVS absurdities.Antitown wrote:How is that garbage?-
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I've been wanting to play in a game with Percy for a long time just so he could bust out stuff like this and pwnzorz scum.Percy wrote:Still, crypto did say that he thought that the guillotined player didn't have a vote, and VP didn't say boo about it. Add in:
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3) Town players are more likely to be thinking about how this setup can best be approached in the early stages of the game.
Hmmm.
While I'm thinking about this, here are my thoughts on the setup:
This combined with the attack on Concession makes me think he is scum. I didn't like the Concession attack because even Confession was being dumb, it was clearly noobdumb and not scumdumb. Add in Percy's tell and it looks like he is scum busy looking for a nice, easy mislynch.
Unvote. Vote: VPB
Ythill's arguments are good too.
I don't get why LuckayLuck is scum. The setup spec is bad, for sure, but I don't think scum would blatantly post such a dumb idea (think about it: when you're scum in a game with a competent town and open setup, do you sit around thinking about how to appear town or how to secretly trick town into following a bad plan…obviously the former). If she's scummy for other reasons I don't see those either, really.
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Like I said before, this seems like dumbness not scumness. I don't see why scum would be more likely to believe it (as silly as "it" is). If anyone is making a mountain out of a molehill, I would say it's you for calling him scum over this.VPB wrote:I'll explain since people seem to be missing it. As I said earlier, I feel that Concission is making a mountain out of a molehill. Look at her iso at this point; it's highly concerned with me asking crypto and not everyone my question. I'm also scum for this. P. ridiculous for a townie to actually believe that, imo.
And this is where the waters get muddy. Maybe it is gut and you're right, but all everybody else knows is that you took a stance and then didn't follow through on it a page later.VPB wrote:Yes, perhaps I should have jumped on him, but it did seem an honest effort even if it was horribly wrong. It's a gut feeling.
Really? Cause tunneling over something irrelevant is a pretty common noobscum tactic. I assume you think Concission is town, right? As far as the bolded, how is Concission an easy mislynch when no one seemingly agrees with my vote being there?[/quote]
First point - I don' agree. I don't see why noobscum Concession would be so eagar to get involved in a discussion with somebody who could catch him. Second point - you're warping time. When you voted Concession, it was in the early game and you didn't know whether people agreed with you.
Agreed, it reeks heavily of coasting (rather than simple not-posting), which is very scummy.crypto wrote:In other news, Jarti is scummy as hell.
I don't like this post at all for two reasons.LuckayLuck wrote:That's a good observation, I should accuse you of role fishing if I think you're mafia. I don't know whether or not you're mafia at the moment, so I don't go that far; I just say "I think this is a bad plan."
1) In an open setup like this one, there is no "plus" to rolefishing (e.g., you can't be like, "oh I was the Doctor trying to find the cop." Rolefishing is rolefishing - it's bad. So LL is basically saying, "I'm not calling you scum for being scummy, but I will point out the tell." It's a hedge of massive proportions.
2) It's LL's plan that is bad (and could have scum motivations), not Ythill's, so why LL is saying Ythill has a bad plan is totally beyond me.
Isn't this post a giant contradiction? It says, "You shouldn't feel bad about voting for me … but wait, you should."LL wrote:'Scum partnerships' shouldn't come on too strongly on day one, so I can understand how you would vote me AND think jarti is scummy despite jarti going after me so strongly (and me going after him, too)
I'm just pointing out though, that if you think Jarti is scummy as hell, that I would hope it gives you pause on voting me. (I don't even know your reasoning for voting me. GG?)
Why is Luck town?Fate wrote: Luck is as obvtown as it gets. I have no interest in a VP lynch today.
Anti is scummy as all hell, and Jarti is even WORSE. There's no way you can seriously advocate a VP lynch over a Jarti one at this point in time.
Agree with this a lot. It's the words I was trying to find for Simeon but couldn't.zoraster wrote:Simenon is scum. He points out a case on someone then immediately hedges with a potential meta-defense. His fixation on Ythill posting thoughts about the setup before posting thoughts about the game is bizarre and a half-ass attack.
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Simeon's posts on this page are no better. I don't like his analysis at all. I can't even explain why, either - it just feels wrong.
Jarti's #203 made my eyes hurt reading it. Obviously I disagree with her analysis on me. Her LL read is fine but the reasoning makes very little sense. the zoaraster analysis was what.
Where is the justification for hardly any of this list?LL wrote:LuckayLuck's "You're a Townie!" List
LuckayLuck
Fate
Shadow Dancer
Crypto
LuckayLuck's "Maybe You're a Townie!" List
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LuckayLuck's "You're not a Townie!" list
Antitown
I especially don't like the "Maybe your a townie" on VPB. He's been a pretty prolific poster thus far. You should have something of a read on him.
I agree with crypto's #213-215, especially this:
…given that LL just spent a large post on this page talking about "what he used to do as town to find scum"crypto wrote:FORTUNATELY HE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE PLAYED MAFIA IN SEVENTEEN YEARS SO ANY META I COULD DIG UP WOULD BE HIGHLY UNRELIABLE.
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This hit me hard. I skimmed the first 8 pages twice and didn't really notice SDzoraster wrote:So I went through all the players today after sleeping on my initial read. One thing that stands out to me is how after a full read I couldn't really remember a thing Shadow Dancer had said. I figured he had been inactive because I barely noticed her presence. So I isoed him.
He has TWENTY-FIVE posts. That's over 10% of all of the posts are his. Admittedly, this COULD just be a problem I'm having. But try and read her. Go on. It'll only take a minute or so.at all, just like zoaraster pointed out. Pretty scummy.
The fact that SD then comes immediately is a pretty scummy follow up. In my experience, the "coming when called" tell is
YES I REALIZE I AM GUILTY OF THIS.
Percy is my [ero.
Could this read be any MORE vague and wishy washy? Scummy.Antitown wrote:On fate, I am not sure about him anymore. I went from semi-gutscum to town, and now back to null leaning scum. I think that I may be misinterpreting his messages.
My original read on fate had to do with his underwhelming play thus far, as well as something else that I'd rather not state at this point until I know what to make of it.
What is this terribad vote doing?VPB wrote:lol, mad scum scramble to take me out early. Pile on bros, I'm cool with that because my flip is going to make you have plenty of 'splainin to do.
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Isn't this a blatant misrep? The quote says Ythill is talking about timetables, but then the analysis says he was saying, "NEED TO LYNCH NOW" … which he said wasn't what he meant, right?VPB wrote:
Soooooo, LL is so scummy that we need to lynch within 72 hours of the game starting.Ythill wrote: My statement was more about Luck's increasing scumminess than the timetable, but I can see how it could be taken that way.
Fate's #258 is good, but it still doesn't explain why VPB is town (just that other people are worse).
You know, now that this is mentioned … I think theLuckayLuck wrote:His explanation for why he asked the question (he didn't even do it in a way that 'explained', he just did it in a matter of fact way...which furthers my belief that he's a townie) was just very good. I don't think a scum would think too much on 'what happens if two scum die and then a townie is put on the guillotine.' Even if they do, I like the way he presented his train of thought. It was done in a townie way.exact opposite.It's day 1. Town just wants to lynch scum. Why would they be thinking about this obscure endgame? Isn't it SCUM who would be busy plotting whether or not they can quicklynch in the endgame and get away with it?
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Seriously, what the fuck is this.Jarti wrote:wagons rock VOTE: red coyote
luck this wagon comes complete with heated seats, cool drinks, and if you stay on until we get some worthwhile information from it ythill will serenade you even
simenon calling for a bigger wagon after it dissolves some won't work you have to full circle back to it at that point~luckay still worthy of death though imo
anti you seem frustrated why
percury i never established that it was the reads I disagreed with; it was how he came to some reads not feeling matched up to some others mainly his thoughts on luck vs thoughts on sim & con
but really alamz is just so scum this game; we should compromise on him
I don't understand where people are getting the, "If Antitown is scum, VPB is town" argument from. Explain, pl0x?
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Not really interested in reading RC's wall, but I agree with almost all of his scum-o-meter sans Concession and crypto.
What is this post trying to accomplish, exactly? It's like, "You can't lynch me! I'm using LOGIC!"LL wrote:Re: My Style.
This is a new group of players (you guys are rugged veterans. I mean I'm new to you guys, and you're new to me.) I feel the necessity to explain myself in greater detail about both my own 'origins and beliefs' as well as address 'what other players may think of a stranger making these remarks' (noticed the italic parenthesis on my thought tangents?).
What you can't take away is that I have a reason - a stated reason for every one of my townie reads and scum attacks so far. I believe I've weighed in on all the important issues. While finding scum on tone is a legitimate tactic, if you don't have a history with me or you can't research it for whatever reason (as you conveniently can't here), then the best methodology would be to poke or see holes in my arguments.
Annnnd here we go with the CRYPTOCASE.
a) How is it "frail;" I'm stating VPB's vote on concession is bad because Concession seems like noobtown not noobscum. Argument --> reason ---> conclusion --/--> frail.crypto wrote:Posts in isolation:
0. Check-in and random vote.
1. Asks VPB if he thinks Concession is scummy.
2. Terse response to quibbles from Shadow Dancer.
3. Devoted solely to my misunderstanding of the setup.
4. Devoted solely to my misunderstanding of the setup.
5. Opposes VPB's vote on Concession; calls Concession town on account of doing something "noobscum" wouldn't; states a gut scum read on Simenon; approves Ythill's setup speculation.a
6. Says that Antitown is scummy, and explains why, after asked his opinion of Antitown by VPB.b
7. Reaffirms his Concession-"noobdumb" stance and his opposition to VPB's attacks on Concession;c concludes that Concession is an easy lynch;d hops on the VPB wagon accordingly; approves of Ythill; gently approves of Luckay; hints at a theory that Jarti is lurker scum.e
a Feels frail.
b AGM apparently finds Antitown scummy for concrete reasons, but doesn't say as much until asked. That's not how townies think with respect to what they do and don't post.
c The Concession-"noobdumb"-town feels like a flimsy cop-out: lack of effort spiced with a variation on hindsight bias. If AGM is scum then Concession is probably town.
d I roll my eyes violently, and contemplate cutting.
e AGM's exact words: "Jarti seems to fit the profile of the 'lurkerscum' pretty well." Watch this. "Seems . . . fit . . . profile of . . . pretty well." Don't know about you guys, but to me it smells an awful lot like AGM fears of taking a stance and/or has a vested interest in keeping his options open.
b) This assumes I was intentionally withholding information, which is false. I hadn't really looked at Antitown. Then VPB asked me, so I went back, looked, and decided I thought he was scummy.
c) Once again, I disagree. In fact, it's actually your points that feel like flimsy-cop-outs. My arguments are grounded in a logical progression that can be analyzed, your merely say it "feels" X. There's no way to break that down.
d) K.
e) What? This argument makes no sense at all. Keeping my options open would have been ignoring Jarti entirely. By posting an opinion (e.g., Jarti felt like lurkerscum), I'm putting a viewable advocacy on the table. How is that scummy?
So you had to wait for someone else to agree with me being scum and make a case before voting?Jarti wrote:oh someone else finally sees the pikachu for the scum he be VOTE: AlamasterGM
SCUMMMMM-E.
THIS TOO. LL hadn't mentioned me AT ALL before this, but suddenly I'm a #2 suspect? God, this wagon is so heavily scum propelled it's sickening.LuckayLuck wrote:But all that aside. Crypto makes good points. Previous to his post, I had already been thinking that my #2 suspect was AlmasterGM.
I don't blame crypto, though.
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I KNEW I was going to get this post; it's actually just my class schedule. I'm much busier on Wednesdays and Thursdays now.Jarti wrote:but you are following closely enough to pop in when some minimal heat comes your way I see
Minus Jarti's placement, this is a really solid list. Ythill's hawt town.Ythill wrote:Scum
Luck (by a lot)
VPB
Shadow, Sim
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Anti
Conc, Red
Jarti, Zor
Percy
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crypto
Town
Hello scum #3. Welcome to the wagon.Simeon wrote:Don't have time for larger post.
LL's wagon isn't going anywhere.
Unvote Vote Almaster
As I said before, he's flown under the radar. crypto's points are strong
I'm disappointed at the next 3 people on the wagon, but at least they aren't being scummy as fuck about it.
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This is just a terrible summary of my posting. I think I was fine before, and then yes, I dropped off for three days. I wasn't hanging around waiting to see what happened - I was actually busy. Also, all my remarks have been substantive.SD wrote:Alma: Seems to be pretty much active lurking, popping in here and there, dropping some rather innocuous ramarks and disappearing again. I really want to hear more from him, at least some opinion about every player or something like that to start with.
[qutoe="SD"]Jarti: I really didn't like his opening, just droping in, throwing what seems like random names around and some setup speculation that entirely uninetersting in the current state of the game (don't get me wrong, I don't say he shouldn't have brought it up, but I consider this kind of stuff entirely null). I don't know. His latest posts seem better to me. Also some one I need to see more of.[/quote]
Wishy washy scum being wishy washy about their buddy.
Terribly scummy post. Why would you lynch me if I'm not even in your top 3?zoraster wrote:Waiting to hear from AGM. Convince me of your towniness, AGM. Or don't. You're not in my top 3 to lynch right now, but I'm perfectly happy to put your head down where the blade's coming.
Crypto and VPB have good lines of thought on zoaraster, here.
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O rly? Why is that? You didn't mention him at all in your catchup summary.SD wrote:But Baltar is still town, Ythill…
Zoraster is squirming on this page.
Of course you would want to waffle on this point and redirect the blame to the rest of the "town;" it's because you're scum and you know I'd flip town.LL wrote:On the AlmasterGM lynch: I like the pressure, and I think a key of this game is on what he says in the near future. I think the majority of players on AlmasterGM are townie. I could hammer AlmasterGM if nothing comes up over the weekend (as he states he'll be posting things)
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crypto wrote:Would zoraster-scum dare to waffle on the bus?
No, he's scum waffling on getting on a town wagon.
I haven't seen hardly anti-town in the past few posts. Lurking away the pressure? Yes.
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Real life is unfortunate, but there was little to be done. Sorry.Ythill wrote:@AGM: For the most part, your logic seems sound. I think your stances are a bit convenient and of course you know I'm rolling my eyes at the fact that it took L-1 pressure to make you analyze the game like this.
Why are you deleting the context from my post? Contextually, VPB said "concession is making mountains out of molehills." I said, "If anyone is doing that, it's you." Your question makes no sense given this back and forth.Ythill wrote:
Both Conc's attack and VPB's OMGUS response happened very early in the game. There were nothing but molehills. What do you expect people to do at that point?AGM wrote:making a mountain out of a molehill
I agree that it was reasonable to assume initially. However, in this case, VPB's point that you were rushing came immediately after you had just clarified that you were not. Once again, see context:Ythill wrote:Not really. It is entirely reasonable for someone to read my statement as rushing the day. It's not actually what I was doing but I don't fault VPB for taking it that way. I think Red's stance on the subject was far worse because he brought up and agreed with VPB's original point long after I had addressed it and long after my behavior had demonstrated that I was not interested in ending the day quickly.
You clarify, he quotes it, and then draws an entirely different conclusion.VPB wrote:
Soooooo, LL is so scummy that we need to lynch within 72 hours of the game starting.Ythill wrote: My statement was more about Luck's increasing scumminess than the timetable, but I can see how it could be taken that way.-
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I'm going to try and keep this shorter since people are complaining about the walls; if I skipped something of yours you wanted a response to, let me know.
The primary proponents of the VPB wagon were Ythill and Percy. I agreed with it; I know there were some others on it as well. here's what you have to say about them:LL wrote:VP Baltar: I haven't seen any mafia-esque qualities to his play.I am surprised by the wagon that was formed on him. It was by shady characters,so I think VP Baltar is a townie. I liked the way he responded under pressure.
LL wrote:I think AlmasterGM could be townie.LL wrote:Percy: Unremarkable. Originally had a minor read of him as town but I've discarded that as I actually mis-read him.
No where do you mention any of us as being "shady;" in fact, you have a town read on two of the three. Please explain this discrepancy.LL wrote:Ythill: I like the way he has explained himself at all junctures and his activeness. I tend to think he's town.
Sorry, I don't understand the question. I think I've explained why I think LL is scum in multiple times. I also just commented on him above.RedCoyote wrote:AGM, in your post 411, could you explain your issue with LL, especially in regards to what he had to say about D1? I don't quite understand the disconnect, but it feels like this is an important point you're making.
x_x Forgot to move it, actually.RC wrote:Why's your vote still on VPB after all that?
Unvote. Vote: LL
LL's #430 on Jarti is good.
Ythill's #434 on LL is even better.
I am being very up front with my read. If it were lylo between you, me, and any of my town reads, I would be voting for you. However, despite the fact that I have found some things you do scummy, you are also making lots of other posts. There are also a lot of people who are more blatantly scummy than you. So, you're getting put on the backburner.VPB wrote: I don't get this. You spent a good part of your post mentioning me, why you think I'm scummy and that people who think I'm town aren't doing enough to explain those reads....and then you say that you can't really read me. At least have the balls to call me scum if that's the way you want to go.
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I'm meant that it was annoying we had to get a replacement, not that Glados is annoying.LL wrote:How is saying annoying not ridiculously offensive?
You are not my top suspect any more; however, Ythill is still making good points. What do you expect me to do, be the spearhead of every single wagon?VPB wrote:Well, you're one for two. Ythill I will give is actively pushing my terrible wagon. Concission and you are/were both riding old ass votes that you can't hardly defend, and Percy hasn't made a meaningful post in days due to illness. I find it pretty ludicrous that I'm the leading wagon due to THAT.
I'm not clutching to anything; I unvoted you and voted LL based on reads I garnered during my re-read. Yes, I agreed with some other people's arguments, but I don't think it's fair to say I'm playing from the sidelines when I've given plenty of my own analysis.VPB wrote:The main reason you're on my scumlist is similar as to why I'm voting Simenon...playing the game from the sidelines. As the day has thickened, we've seen some people actually scum hunting and others, such as yourself, just going along with others and not really doing a whole lot while clutching to votes as long as possible. I'm inclined to believe that there is scum in the mess of people that are without true direction.-
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For the last time - I didn't get a chance to post for 2-3 days and the thread exploded in the interim. This forced me in to the position of playing catch up, which inevitably means a lot of your reads are going to be echoes. I tried to do as much of my own analysis as I could, but I'm not going to make shit up just to sound original. If you can not get over this, then whatever. There is really nothing more I can say in response at this point.-
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This Concession wagon is a fail. This vote especially:
He had just posted a breakdown in #479 and Concession was only mentioned in passing. Then two more votes come down and zoaraster is all aboard? Scummy.zoraster wrote:sounds good to me.
VOTE: Concission
I think that's 5 for L-3.
O RLY?Simenon wrote:Didn't find AGM's reads impressive… Also, he's prone to weird exaggeration; not all of his candidates can be that scummy because there aren't enough scum.
Another fail-vote.RC wrote:Unvote; vote: Concission
Absolutely happy with this wagon. More to come.
I agree with Percy's #504. Once again, the Concession wagon feels very scum propelled.
No, it is weird. LL original devoted a massive wall to talking about how awesomesauce is meta was, and then when people actually look it up he goes "lolwut."crypto wrote:
Am I the only one who finds this weird?LuckayLuck wrote:I didn't think anybody would actually be insane enough to want to research my past history to that extent so I didn't link these earlier, but if you want to - feel free.
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Oh wow, Jarti's suddenly speaking English. It's still garbage, though.
This game is entering the stalling / too long / I don't care zone. The Concession wagon looks scum propelled. Concession also still reads town. The only other wagon sitting here right now is RC. The people on that wagon look Fine. RC reads as he usually does to me (too difficult to read), so:
Unvote; Vote: RedCoyote
(P.S. I am sure this will net some comment about me "distancing" from RC. Whatever.)-
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LL's recent posts are just more and more scumz.
Jarti speaks english now. That's cool.
This post reeks of hypocrisy. Easy target? RC has been defending himself to the teeth - how is that an easy target. If we want to talk easy targets, SD is right up that ally.zoraster wrote:Okay. It took about half a day longer than promised, but here it is:
The RC wagon is terrible. I thought he was a little scummy before, but his responses have been anything but. I'm pretty convinced that those on his wagon are either (a) scum, (b) town too lazy to actually read the game but see RC as an easy target to take out and/or (c) getting into a huffy battle with him (i.e. GLaDOS). In any event, RC's comments are altogether too sincere for me to think he should be the lynch today.
We should not be lynching RC.
We SHOULD, however, be lynching Shadow.
Not to mention that lynch is obv not happening right now, so you're just parking your vote in uselessville.
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Blah, prod received. I've been putting this off for days now because I actually don't know what to say at this point. New wagons just keep starting and then dying and there doesn't seem to be much point to any of it - what are we waiting for, the scum to magically implode once they get a few votes? Moreover, as the game gets longer, the net value of any one page is watered down even further, which makes it even less motivating to comment on stuff (e.g., even if somebody says something newish, is it really going to outweigh the other 29 pages).
To answer Ythill: My top suspect is LL. The thought of starting yet ANOTHER wagon makes me want to vomit, but apparently there is a point to it, so I'll play along.
Unvote. Vote: LL
My reads have otherwise not changed. If I need to vote for any of the people in my scumbucket to make a lynch happen, I will.
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Stop making it into something its not - I clearly specified that I was voting LL because Ythill stated that everyone was supposed to vote for their top suspects as some sort of exercise. I'm not going to sit here and go, "LOL NO I REFUSE."VP Baltar wrote:It doesn't make sense because you bitch about random useless wagons popping up and then you vote a random useless wagon. I'm good with lynching AGM tomorrow.-
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Vote: LuckayLuck
This read has not changed. He was Ythill and Simeon's primary suspect as well. Go lynch go.
This conclusion doesn't really make sense. It's like, "Fate is good at mafia, so he must have picked up on it." It could have just as easily been zoraster, VPB, or yourself.RC wrote:Right now I'll tenatively vote: Fate. Glados is right about one thing. Someone had to have been either really lucky or really good at reading for PRs. Fate makes a big show about how he doesn't read anything thoroughly and works heavily on his intuition, but I know for a fact that this cat is clever. I think he saw the very thing Glados mentioned about Ythill. There are a couple of other people I think may have picked up on it as well, but I think they're much more townie sounding than Fate has been.
Do you think zoraster and VPB are town? Why are they more town than Fate?
Excuse me, buuuut why am I actually scum? As far as I remember, you're still rolling with that, "AGM had to catch up, which means people had already made arguments he made" thing, which is really, really weak. Please update reasons for read, thanks.VPB wrote:zoraster and AGM, with the latter being the worst of the two.
zoraster's performance, especially at the end of yesterday, was especially lackluster. His "top suspect" was a complete non-option, and he's not really providing any other analysis.
I also don't like the way VPB is grouping me into a category with him, arbitrarily deciding that I'm worse, and then gunning for me. I think these two are connected - if one flips scum, I'd be suspicious that VPB was using it as an easily-dumpable distancing tactic (e.g., call zoraster-buddy scum but gun for my lynch, then back off zoraster when I flipped town).-
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I JUST FINISHED FAILING MY MIDTERM AND CAN NOW PLAY LOS GAMEOS
THE SCUMTEAM:
LuckayLuck/VP Baltar/Zoraster.
HELLO distancing. This post completes the read I had on VPB/zoraster before. VPB keeps saying that both zoraster and I are scum, but he never gives reasons for either of us and has randomly decided that I am the scummier one. He is doing this so he can simultaneously distance from zor, get a mislynch on me, and then abandon the zoraster bus once I flip town.zoraster wrote:VP Baltar is scummy as all get out as well. The concission thing is done. What does Baltar really have to gain from it other than he wants to seem like he’s keep up with lynch momentum to seem townie. I don’t agree with crypto at all here: Baltar does not come across as town at all, although I’d love to hear why Baltar is “logically” town from crypto.
zoraster is scum playing along with this move right now.
Yeah, it IS CONFIRMATION BIAS. Right now, the whole "AGM is scum" argument is massively circular. You say, "AGM is scum" and the reason is "because you keep asking why you are scum." No ORIGINAL REASON as to why I am scum has been given.zoraster wrote:This seems fake to me. Maybe it’s some confirmation bias, but I read it as either him trying to interact with Baltar’s bus or trying to play the put off townie. Either way makes him scum.
This is scummy for two reasons:
1) It's easier to distance yourself from the wagon later once I flip town.
2) You don't HAVE ANY REASONS, and you know that if you did, I would crush them. So you just keep saying nothing.
Unvote. Vote: zoraster
PLUS ALL THE STUFF YOU DID YESTERDAY.
LL has dropped completely off the radar compared to yesterday. This is because he knows that when he posts he looks scummy, so he's going to try NOT POSTING as a strategy to hide as scum.
Concession is mislynch city. RedCoyote doesn't matter because the team is assembled right here.
I especially like VPB's claim that, "Ythill wasn't killed for reads." BULLSHIT. He was killed because he was a strong town leader and his reads were ACCURATE.-
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Oh man, the IRONYYYY.VPB wrote:Now you can answer my questions instead of dodging them.
Oh really? I went back and looked, and inbetween you calling zoraster scum and not calling him anything (we'll go with null), zoraster HADN'T EVEN POSTED. You never talked about him. Your read just MAGICALLY CHANGED somehow. HMMMMM.VPB wrote:lol, seriously? I had that feeling at the start of the day today, which I amended shortly after.
Fine, you only said it twice. Doesn't matter. In fact, given the above point, it actually just makes you look even worse, seeing as you went from "zoraster scum" to "zoraster not-scum" without him even doing anything. The only thing zoraster-related that happened in-between was MELooking at my iso, there are only two posts where I linked you and that was short lived. Do tell where I 'keep' saying it though, considering that your big ass theory above hinges on it.calling out the link between you,so that logically must have been what changed your read. SEEMS SCUMMY.
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Says the scum.VPB wrote:I like how AGM has the scummiest reaction possible to getting lynched. P. Funneh.
I'm very, very annoyed with this game. Mostly because the dumbtown is following you around like lost little puppies while the rest of your team lurks, and then the remainder of the town isn't mobilized enough to get its act together on any legitimate wagon.
I'm glad I'll still be around tomorrow, though. I want to do a little more investigating into Fate, now that he's brought himself up.-
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Yes, I'm VT. And no, I'm not dead yet because THATS HOW THE FUCKIN MECHANICS WORK. HELLLLOOOO.
And yes, I have to go look at some stuff from you. I remembered something you mentioned prior that deserves thought.
BUT WHY BE SCARED? IF I FLIP SCUM THEN OBVIOUSLY I WAS MAKING IT ALL UP.
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Why hello VPB + SD scumteam. Maybe I was just looking in the wrong place for the lurker. Zoraster's off the hook for now. LuckayLuck is still scum hiding (seriously, check his posting ratio between yesterday and today, it's like 10:1) and then popping in for the last minute bus.
I'll hammer. Any objections?
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So you think SD is town? Let's put THAT on the official record.VPB wrote:Also, good to see you AGM. Anything else to comment on other than your willingness to hammer and save your ass for another day? Cause I very much object to that.
FTFY.VPB wrote:Here is something I'd like you to answer VPB, why is AGM scum? You haven't said really much of anything about him all game except continually repeat he's scum.
I'm not going to sit here and parrot back why SD is CLEARLY scum jumping on the wagon and why his reactions to the hammer/not hammer were scummy as fuck while for you while you *DODGE* forming a coherent argument on me all day.
Great, "HI GUYS IM HERE" contribution.LL wrote:What prompted you to accuse VP Baltar of scumminess here?
The situation: VPB's panicking as the wagon shifts off the mislynch he's campaigned for all day on to his scumbuddy, SD. LuckayLuck tries to lurk her way out of the D1 pressure.-
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It would take less than 15 minutes to type up a reasonable case. If you don't have that much time then you shouldn't be playing forum mafia. Anyway, that is a very scummy statement. If you never type arguments, then it's a lot easier to hide and distance yourself from the argument later. If you invest yourself, then people can determine whether your attack is legitimate and genuine.VP Baltar wrote:Yeah, I should totally spend my time trying to convince scum they are scum.
And oh look, here's the "case." If this really took thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat long than I'll mail you a voucher for a free ice cream cone or something to pay for the seconds it took you to type this.
This argument AGAIN? I have provided waaaay more content than some people. Zoraster hasn't done ANYTHING, and LL has active-lurked through all today. SD is LOL. Crypto is mostly one-liners. But you're still running back to the time long ago on D1 when I SAID I WAS BUSY AND THUS DIDN'T POST.The case on you is that you haven't done shit all since the start of the game
Not true at all. There are plenty of people in this game I don't want to lynch. You are just angry because the people I do want to lynch happen to be you and your buddies. SORRY.and you are desperate to lynch people who are not you.
I'm bullying? I merely state my opinion and then vote based on it. You're the one who is instructing everyone in every other post what to do. "Vote AGM now!" "We need that AGM wagon!" "Do this!" "Do that!" "I'm VP Baltar do what I say raaaaahrahrahaaaaaa!"Your reactions are way over the top and you trying to play a bully is lol-scumtastic.
This is a great example of emotionally based BULLYING, something you say is scummy.If any town member actually thinks that anything AGM said above came from a town perspective, then I feel sorry for you. I am willing to put my life in this game on the line for an AGM lynch.
lolwhat?Also, quite to the contrary of what AGM is saying, I actually think he could be scum with SD. This bravado out of nowhere over a single vote from him is pretty laughable and not genuine in the slightest.
It's pretty clear now why you don't want to post a case. You don't have one. All these arguments are awful - one of them dates back to a stupid V/LA from D1 and the other two are blatantly untrue.
Get out.
P.S. HI CRYPTO.
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crypto wrote:THE OBSESSION OF YOU PEOPLE WITH REFUSING TO JUST BUCKLE DOWN AND STICK WITH ONE LYNCHEE IS INFURIATING. HAVE SOME FUCKING BALLS, JESUS CHRIST.
AGM is indiscriminately rabid and SD is Go-Go Gadget Lurkatron-to-Night.
Here is what happens.
1. AGM goes back to L-1.
2. Everyone checks in and states a preference (or lack thereof) between AGM and SD.
3. We lynch accordingly.
If you twats continue to sit with your thumbs up your asses and somehow manage to fail to state a preference, then we lynch AGM.crypto wrote:Unvote. Vote: VP Baltar.crypto wrote:Unvote. Vote: Concission.crypto wrote:Unvote. Vote: AlmasterGM.crypto wrote:Unvote. Vote: zoraster.crypto wrote:Unvote. Vote: Shadow Dancer.crypto wrote:Unvote. Vote: AlmasterGM.
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I'm not misusing any words, Fate.Fate wrote:AND DONT MISUSE THE SACRED WORDS DEJA VU.
I TAKE THOSE WORDS TO FUCKIN HEART.
I WAS SCUM IN MOCO.
Fate wrote:AND WERENT YOU CALLIN ME FUCKIN SCUM A FEW PAGES AGO?Fate wrote:AND WERENT YOU CALLIN ME FUCKIN SCUM A FEW PAGES AGO?
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I know I said it.Fate wrote:The hell are you ninjaing me about? IM PRETTY SURE somewhere today and somewhere in your ISO youve called me scum. DONT YOU DARE MAKE ME GO LOOK THROUGH IT AND SHOVE IT IN YOUR FACE. ILL HOP BACK BEFORE YOU CAN PSOT "HERPDERPVOTERC"
That's why it's a deja vu.
HehehehHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAA.
DENIED.Fate wrote:LETS DO PIKA, HEAVE
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VPB, your own analysis is basically leading to the conclusion of me not being scum. Like you've said, if I was scum, townies should want to lynch me for being scum and scum should want to lynch me to gain town cred. Neither of these are happening. Have you ever considered the conclusion that I'm NOT SCUM? and that scum don't want to lynch and look bad post-flip and townies don't want to lynch because they don't think I'm scum?-
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I stand by VPB/Fate. Either Shadow Dancer or Luckay Luck can fill the lurker slot - I'm inclined to say SD just because he is being more opportunistic NOW and LuckayLuck is minimally not screaming in my face that I'm scum, but meh, that's not really a strong swing in a direction.VV wrote:@AGM
You posted this yesterday. Do you still stand by that list?
Yes, Fate, you are very dangerous. Which is why you need to give my strategizing abilities a little bit of credit. I know we don't have the time to switch wagons right now. Moreover, if I was championing your lynch now, you would be writing me off as scum desperately searching for a mislynch counterwagon to save my own hide. You'd essentially spin it into town cred for yourself. It's much, much better for me to let GlaDoS handle it now and save my artillery barrage against you for AFTER I'm lynched so you can't play that card.Fate wrote:No... he DOESN'T stand by those reads. If he TRULY though I was scum he'd be all maniacal about it and championing to get me lynched while Glados is alive..because AGm knows how dangerous I am as scum.-
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