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Oops...forgot to comment on everything else:
<3DemonHybrid wrote:Vote: DeathRowKittyfor that awful Tit for Tat beatdown. -_-
Not gonna get a response until tomorrow on this, but why did you find it necessary to tell us you wouldn't be around today? Did you expect a lot to happen in the first RL day of the game that you wouldn't be around for?drmyshottyizsik wrote:/confirm
Vote DH he is the SK
Any way no more posts from me today, I'm off to mod my newbie and then I'm going out.-
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OH GAWD, IT'S A WALL. HIDE YO WIFE, HIDE YO KIDS, HIDE YO HUSBAND CUZ MAGNA'S RAPIN' ALL DA SCUMZ OUT HERE...except I disagree with his conclusion on lane entirely.
It seems like you're getting lost in trying to find motivation where there's only mindset. Then again, it's just as likely I'm actually completely out of my mind, so I should stop talking. Or typing. Or both.
I read the roles before signing up for the game, but that's pretty much it. I kind of /in'ed for 6 games in one day and 5 of them started within a 2 day span iirc. Still getting my bearings as to which is which. (Yes, I know/am always aware of my role/alignment in all of them >.>)MoI wrote:Really? That’s interesting.
1. Did you not fully review all the role-pms upon the game starting to gather information? I did. From doing so I learned that scum have Daychat so I abandoned a line of thought I had about Friend being possible Goon for being late to confirm while being active elsewhere on site.
2. You directly quoted Shotty saying “DH is the SK”. You didn’t notice him referring to the SK then?
As for reading role PMs...well, I probably would have at least considered it if they weren't all in spoilers. I'm actually kind of surprised mafia have day talk, considering only one of them is given the role of the mafia night kill.
I probably should have realized something when I quoted shotty's sk line, but I just skimmed over it as an in-joke.-
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Did I word it badly? I was referring to the fact that only the goon submitting the kill finds out the role of the dead player. It seems strange to me that mafia have day talk because it means the second goon finds out immediately.MoI wrote:
Can you explain the bolded because you lost me completely in the undergrowth there …I wrote:I'm actually kind of surprised mafia have day talk, considering only one of them is given the role of the mafia night kill.
I'm 0/2 on wording here, aren't I? I meant that you're looking at his posts and thinking "he said this because he's scum looking for town cred" or whatnot, but right now it looks to me like he's an excited new player going "ooooh, shiny! *post*".MoI wrote:
Can you explain the difference and why one is valid scum-hunting but the other isn’t please?I wrote:It seems like you're getting lost in trying to find motivation where there's only mindset.
In terms of what I disagree with in your case on lane....well, I disagree with most of it. I think most of it is looking at things he's said that are scummy in certain circumstances and saying they're scummy in this particular case. But that's just my take on things.
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Actually, I'm confused now. I think my read on him changes every time I try to read him. So I'll actually be giving you reasons to think he's scummy.
On second thought, no I won't. Most of my reads at this point are almost purely gut and explaining it is counterproductive. I do have one kind of sketchy non-gut tell on him that I don't care to say just because it applies fairly heavily to me when I'm scum.-
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I don't think it would help enough to merit being said. Scum will look like scum one way or another eventually. Also, useto get the nifty "Username said".Code: Select all
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Okay, this is going to sound terrible, but you can meta him yourself if you don't believe me: andrew94 is scum because he sucks less than usual. Would definitely be willing to join an andrew wagon if one were to pop up
And Shotty needs to come back to this thread and talk with us .
Oh, and lane-wagon is still fail. I don't remember it getting up to L-2, but if it actually did, people really need to stop believing everything written in long posts.
Anyway, just so I can look like an idiot when I'm wrong: sk is shotty, mafia are Friend and andrew94
Pre-post edit (regarding last 3 posts): Perhaps TS deserves one of those 3 scum spots...-
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Hi guys. I'm happy for you and I'mma let you finish (actually I'm not), but andrew is the scummiest scum that's ever scummed this thread of all time. OF ALL TIME.
Unvote: shotty
Vote: andrew94
(hi shotty, I unvoted you, you can come post again)
Also, as for
Replace TS with "either TS or tcl". I'm kind of failing at reading both of them right now, but whatever. It's page 5 and we have obv-scum andrew to lynch anyway.I wrote:Perhaps TS deserves one of those 3 scum spots...
@anyone around now
Look through some of andrew's games. (linky) Pick a bunch of completed games at random and skim through the early game, focusing on andrew's posts. Then tell me whether he's town or scum this game. Bonus points for coming up with the right answer (hint: scum).-
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Click on their name, then click view topics.
Let's ignore ongoing games and just look at completed games. Don't try to draw meta from games you don't know his alignment in (and we can't dicuss ongoing games anyway). Just read random games from him. His town games and his scum games are VERY different.-
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So Twistedspoon, you seem very interested in defending andrew on generalities here.
"Oh, he always plays like this (in the ongoing games I'm in with him that I can't talk about)." "I'm sure his buddy is telling him how to play if he's scum!"
Have you actually checked the games I'm looking at or do you just enjoy defending andrew?
Pre-post edit: Scum generally buddy to town fwiw. Scum are usually afraid to buddy up to their actual buddies.-
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Well, the crux of what's been said against him is that his play this game matches with his scum history (in fact, I'm pretty sure the only other thing brought up was this). Without having read past games, to say you see the case against him is rather foolish, I would think.-
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Let's assume for the moment that Twistedspoon is scum. Can you explain to me the thought process behind his posts if andrew is town?Friend wrote:
I think they're a poor excuse to set up a wagonvote on a weak player like andrew.DeathRowKitty wrote:
What do you think of Twistedspoon's posts regarding the andrew wagon?Friend wrote:I don't think andrew is scum.-
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Nope, I haven't. I'm not sure how well I could really explain it to be perfectly honest...which is why I told people to read it for themselves instead. Do you disagree that you're playing differently from your town meta?
As regards Twistedspoon, I really think that if he's scum, andrew should also be scum. If andrew is town, I find it hard to imagine Twisted-scum acting the way he did. That was one hell of a waffling job and scum tend not to waffle quite that way over townies just because it feels awkward and it's easy enough to choose a side.-
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Okay, now you're getting too far into ongoing games. If anyone wants to read that game, they can. If not, well, no, there's nothing else to that.andrew94 wrote:yea but the fact that you pushed the lynch on me for {redacted} suggests that you think i am scum. clearly, i flipped town and thus you are wrong.
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When {redacted} ends, you're getting a hell of an angry post about how wrong you are.
Seemed at the time to ruin part of the mechanics of the game (the killer being the only player to know dead players' roles). Didn't really think about it past that.MoI wrote:Why do you find that strange? We are in a 9-2-1 set-up where there are two discrete kills that the Goons do not control. Daytalk and coordination is one of the only strengths the Mafia team has.
Not sure what you expected to get out of asking me this. I think andrew and TS are scum. I was trying to get Friend to agree. Should I be asking questions to people about what to make of TS's actions if he's town or something? Not only do I disagree with the assumption in that (that TS is town); even if he's town, that's a useless question.MoI wrote:Why are you using theoretical situations that work only towards the reads you already have?-
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Heh. Apparently I stopped posting in this game. Whoops. Not sure it's worthwhile to respond to individual posts, so I'm just gonna give my take on a few things for now:
Lane's "Slips"
I really don't find them that scummy. As scum, if I start typing something like "you guys" to refer to town, I immediately change it to prevent exactly what people are doing to lane in this game. As town, if I type something like that, I'm doing so because it feels right to me in that particular context and while I might pause for half a second while I think "should I really word it like that?", I generally just leave it as is. Basically, it's almost too scummy to be scummy.Then again, lane is
Twistedspoon
Twistedspoon's last two votes have been baaaad. Both have been accompanied by ridiculously shaky reasoning, despite evidence having been presented against both of them by others. Particularly of note is TS quoting 4 posts where Friend gave town reads to show that Friend is giving too many town reads, even though 3 of them were for the same player! His saying he finds Friend scummy for his iso followed by nitpicking is also probably scummy, but that's more of an I'd-personally-be-more-likely-to-do-that-as-scum king of tell than anything else.
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Because his vote was blatantly useless and a good reason to go after someone in the RVS? You do know we don't get out of the RVS until someone makes something happen, right?Xalxe wrote:
It was quite obviously a joke (re: tclawren’s vote for Escho). Why give him shit about it?DeathRowKitty wrote:If you know your vote wasn't useful, why not change it?
Is there something wrong with giving reads relevant to the current topics of discussion?Xalxe wrote:Defense?
Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
Was there anything else you didn't like from my play or am I scum for giving reads and for questioning people during RVS (pre-post edit: and "guiding the newb" (speaking of which, what exactly do you mean by that))?
Pre-post edit: You don't think TS was scummy for anything else, but you think he's scummy for....that?-
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You're kidding, right? So how would your ideal RVS go?Xalxe wrote:Yeah, but giving him shit for that didn't make sense, as I put it in the same category as a vote for the mod (which, btw, is an excellent practice).
Player 1 - Vote: the mod
Player 2 - Vote: player who isn't here and can't respond
Player 3 - Vote: the mod lolol bandwagon
Player 4 - Vote: the mod come on guys, we can do it!
Player 5 - Vote: Obama
Player 6 - Vote: for Pedro
Player 7 - Vote: the mod
Player 8 - Vote: the mod
Player 9 - Vote: your mom
Player 10 - Vote: another player who isn't here and can't respond
Player 11 - Vote: the mod SOMEONE HAMMER
Player 12 - Vote: the mod HAMARHARHAHRHARHAHRHAHRAHRAHR
Is that about right (and don't get cute about players 2 and 10 voting for players who weren't there even though everyone voted)? Welp, sorry I had to ruin your perfect vision of the early game. Can't believe I actually tried to get the game going somewhere. How terribly scummy of me.
Considering you've played with me on #mafia, I'm calling complete and utter bullshit on this. Complete and utter bullshit.Xalxe wrote:No, you are scum for saying "this person is scum." You are scummy for not giving reasoning behind those reads, and that's what I'm looking for.-
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Yes.MoI wrote:@Xalxe and DRK – Does you think your Mafia Game Theory back and forth serves any scum-hunting purpose?
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Oh, you wanted an explanation? Well, then you should have asked for one.
I was trying to see if he actually believed what he was saying and if he would budge on any of it when it was argued....speaking of which
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Respond to my RVS thing. I just realized you never did.-
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What? Do you mean don't give reason for reads? If so, no, you mean the fact that I continuously don't give reasons for my reads on one player (yeah, plus a couple others, but you're still triple-counting him).Xalxe wrote:
No, I'm counting the fact that you continuously don't give reads.DeathRowKitty wrote:Oh, come onnnnnn. You're pretty much triple-counting my Friend-waffling and I definitely (implicitly, at the very least) gave enough reason for my Twistedspoon read.
This. Do you still think that was scummy?Xalxe wrote:
What RVS thing?DeathRowKitty wrote:
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Why not ask him if he likes cupcakes?And why ask if he likes cupcakes anyways?
MoI takes the game so seriously. I figured it would be fun to start a completely inane conversation with him and see where it went. Unfortunately, he wasn't there to respond.
But am I scum annoying the crap out of you or town annoying the crap out of you?andrew wrote:i was implying that if i am vig, i would vig him cos hes annoying the crap out of me-
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A planned bus for day 1 for a 2 player mafia team in a game with an SK with NK-immunity would be really stupid. If andrew and I were actually buddies and I went and intentionally got him lynched day 1, it would make me look town, which would just make the serial killer want to kill me. I also think you're not looking at quite the right things in andrew's play. Unfortunately, I'm pretty terrible at explaining things like that, so meh.lane0168 wrote:Alright... one of a few original thoughts I am able to form in mafia... but after thinking about it a little more... let me know if anyone can see what i see? Or if you know them better and the game better, tell me I'm an idiot.
Andrew and DRK have been bickering like a married couple for the last few pages. After the redacted, i thought they just hated each other. After this other stupid one, I feel like they are putting on a cute little show for us. Would it be completely out of line for me to suggest that andrew and drk are scum buddies? trying to hard to subtly distance eachother? Because after thought about this more i went and looked at andrews games as drk suggested. what i find is that he was a better scum hunter in the beginning when he was scum AND when he was town, when we compare it to this game. What i suspect is that drk knew this and knew that people would not find a lot of weight in his argument to go look at andrews games and you will see. I imagine most people wouldnt take the time, and just take drk's word for it, but i took the time and i dont see where drk was going for it. To me it was anemptyattack on andrew. not too mention he unvoted andrew for andrew's "buddy" twisted. And merely said twisted seems like an acceptable wagon after all that hoopala about andrew. I really feel its a nice little show they are putting on for us.
I think xalxe said something about drk not giving reads on his suspects. Maybe thats because he is scum and doesnt have reads.
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I can't tell if you're serious about this. Please clarify?TS wrote:they haven't caught up yet or are waiting for a friend response.
Did you seriously just point out what you perceive to be an above-average chance of someone being vig? >.< Why is ANYONE against this lynch?!?!?!TS wrote:surely you'd only want to or need to know if you were the vig, SK or mafioso?-
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