Open 308 - Gurgi EC8 - Game over!

Empking · Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Sun May 15, 2011 3:57 am

/confirm

Empking · Post Post #18 (isolation #1) » Sun May 15, 2011 9:16 am

Yeah to Hypocop.

Empking · Post Post #22 (isolation #2) » Sun May 15, 2011 9:31 am

Amrun wrote:We should assume scum will choose to kill.

As for proving their own innocent... Okay, yes.

No. Why did you originally think that?

Empking · Post Post #24 (isolation #3) » Sun May 15, 2011 9:36 am

Amrun wrote:Because I don't see why the scum would work against their own wincon.

What works against their own win con?

Empking · Post Post #27 (isolation #4) » Sun May 15, 2011 9:46 am

Archaist wrote:I still think it's a useful strategy, we just have to be careful since it's easy for scum to fake-claim cop due to the unknown number of cops. They could then pretend to investigate their scum buddies, or pretend to investigate townies to gain our trust in them. They could get away with this for at least a night phase or two while the real cops were being killed off. Then of course suspicion would fall on them as to why they weren't killed, but again, scum could decide to spare a real cop in the same manner to make us suspect them. Whole lot of WIFOM I know. I vote yes to hypoclaim, useful, but I'm just saying it's not at straightforward as we might like.

Going-To-Vote: Archaist

1. Putting too much effort in trying to look good.
2. Trying to make town paranoid.
3. Too much effort in looking at scum's best strategy.

Empking · Post Post #33 (isolation #5) » Sun May 15, 2011 8:30 pm

Vote: Archaist

- See above for details.

Empking · Post Post #37 (isolation #6) » Mon May 16, 2011 9:16 am

Kublai Khan wrote:
Empking wrote:
Amrun wrote:Because I don't see why the scum would work against their own wincon.

What works against their own win con?

Anyone else find it weird when a question gets asked, then not answered, then it's not followed up by the asker?

Now when its just a question to promote discussion and thenn something important comes up.

Empking · Post Post #39 (isolation #7) » Mon May 16, 2011 9:45 am

Kublai Khan wrote:
Empking wrote:Now when its just a question to promote discussion and thenn something important comes up.

So, in other words, looking busy for the sake of looking busy?

No. That question was to give me a feel of the gamer and engage me in the game. It became redundant once I saw Achoist's post.

Empking · Post Post #41 (isolation #8) » Mon May 16, 2011 10:48 am

Korts wrote:Khan has a point, Empking. That question seems to be just for clarification--since Amrun didn't answer, I don't see why you should drop the issue, regardless of whether you found other avenues of discussion in the meanwhile.

If I wanted an answer for reason X. And then I'm no longer wishing to fulfill reason X then its merely common sense that I'll no longer want an answer.

Empking · Post Post #78 (isolation #9) » Mon May 16, 2011 11:50 pm

Korts wrote:

Also Archaist is officially town. No scum would act that openly stupid.

Why?

KK: In whaqt way is asking for clarification scumhunting? Fake or otherwise?

Empking · Post Post #81 (isolation #10) » Tue May 17, 2011 7:28 am

Archaist wrote:
Korts wrote:Archaist, my problem isn't that you consider scum tactics, it's that you discuss them openly and in detail when it's not important to do so. The hypocop system is not invalidated by scum fakeclaiming gambits as long as the town takes the effort to analyse the situation. However, speculation about potential situations in the future is futile and a waste of space, and thus an easy way for scum to look like they're contributing when they're, in fact, not. And that is what I'm accusing you of.
Yes, I understand now. The mass fake-claiming/fake-investigating had me confused. As I mentioned in my earlier post I thought it would be a role claim, hence my apprehension. If we're going to follow the cop, and the fake investigations will help protect them, then perhaps a no lynch would be in order as soon as everyone claims an investigation target.

Unvote
Vote: No Lynch

Also,
Empking wrote:In whaqt way is asking for clarification scumhunting? Fake or otherwise?
Aren't you also asking for clarification here?

No. I'm trying to argue that KK's point is an absurd misrepresentation of the point that I struggle to see how a member of the town could come to it.

Not everything has to be scumhunting.

If you're saying that it is then if it isn't then you're obviously either mistaken or lying.

Empking · Post Post #83 (isolation #11) » Tue May 17, 2011 10:24 am

Korts wrote:

Empking: why did you completely ignore the no lynch suggestion?

Not worth mind or anyone else's time. It was never going to be acted upon.

Empking · Post Post #89 (isolation #12) » Wed May 18, 2011 2:39 am

Kublai Khan wrote:
Empking wrote:KK: In whaqt way is asking for clarification scumhunting? Fake or otherwise?

Is this a question I should answer, or will you just be distracted by something else and not care about the answer?

And if you don't care about the answer, doesn't that just mean that your questions are meaningless? And if your questions are meaningless, then that means that you're doing something that looks pro-town (i.e. asking questions), but without the pro-town motive (i.e. to uncover scum).

No I'd like an answer. In what way is asking for clarification scumhunting? Fake or otherwise?

You say it doing something that looks pro-town (i.e. asking questions) as if everybody is an idiot who goes "Ooh, a question mark! I'm putting Empking into my town list.". Do you think that I was trying to look pro-town by doing something which even in the best light isn't something that looks exceptionally pro-town?

Empking · Post Post #92 (isolation #13) » Wed May 18, 2011 6:33 am

If he's scum, his attempts at leading the town into a bad tactical decision should be stopped.

Why?

Empking · Post Post #104 (isolation #14) » Thu May 19, 2011 1:40 am

Amrun wrote:Something about DGB's play has stuck out to me as gut scummy, though. I can't identify it.

Did you have that since Monday?

Empking · Post Post #109 (isolation #15) » Thu May 19, 2011 5:46 am

Korts wrote:

Everyone else: care to join me on this wagon?

I would but the Achaist wagon seems to have eider belief in it so my vote is more useful their.

KK: Why would scum be more likely to drop talking to you about your POV that everyone was an idiot than town?

Empking · Post Post #111 (isolation #16) » Thu May 19, 2011 6:14 am

Korts wrote:
Empking wrote:the Achaist wagon seems to have
w
ider belief in it

Huh? I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

More people are suspicior of Achiest.

Empking · Post Post #114 (isolation #17) » Fri May 20, 2011 4:53 am

Empking wrote:

KK: Why would scum be more likely to drop talking to you about your POV that everyone was an idiot than town?

Empking · Post Post #131 (isolation #18) » Sat May 21, 2011 11:50 pm

Oman: Her reads are completely different mine which I don't like. She also doesn't seem to be taking any risks which is more scum play.

KK: So scum aren't more likely to perform the action you're calling me scum for?

Empking · Post Post #145 (isolation #19) » Wed May 25, 2011 2:15 am

Unvote

Vote: Amrun

Empking · Post Post #168 (isolation #20) » Fri May 27, 2011 2:50 am

Amrun wrote:Prediction likely to come true.

Well he did just say it.

Empking · Post Post #191 (isolation #21) » Mon May 30, 2011 2:57 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:The answer to your question is on this very page, oh you not-reading-the-game-scum.

Where?

Empking · Post Post #203 (isolation #22) » Mon May 30, 2011 9:40 pm

I'll hypocop Oman.

The way the votes have been going from Oman to Kort is something that makes me dislike the Kort's wagon.

Empking · Post Post #205 (isolation #23) » Mon May 30, 2011 10:35 pm

Amrun wrote:You suspect Oman all of a sudden?

What makes you think that? I want to investigate Oman because I want to live!

Empking · Post Post #208 (isolation #24) » Mon May 30, 2011 10:42 pm

Amrun wrote:
Empking wrote:
Amrun wrote:You suspect Oman all of a sudden?

What makes you think that? I want to investigate Oman because I want to live!

What a scum-oriented way of looking at things. Very survivalist.

Are you even trying now? The idea you're putting forward is that I'm scum faking a hypocop on a player I have a town read on so that my fake hypocop doesn't leave me getting killed?

Preview: Korts

Empking · Post Post #211 (isolation #25) » Tue May 31, 2011 3:35 am

Amrun wrote:
Empking wrote:
Amrun wrote:
Empking wrote:
Amrun wrote:You suspect Oman all of a sudden?

What makes you think that? I want to investigate Oman because I want to live!

What a scum-oriented way of looking at things. Very survivalist.

Are you even trying now? The idea you're putting forward is that I'm scum faking a hypocop on a player I have a town read on so that my fake hypocop doesn't leave me getting killed?

Preview: Korts

Not necessarily, no. I am curious about your choice, though. Please answer my question.

What querstion?

Empking · Post Post #213 (isolation #26) » Tue May 31, 2011 3:38 am

Preview: Korts

Empking · Post Post #215 (isolation #27) » Tue May 31, 2011 3:53 am

Amrun wrote:Oh, sorry. I didn't get that.

Why not hide behind Korts then?

Korts is a waste of a Cop. No way is he scum (unless Oman is also scum.)

Empking · Post Post #217 (isolation #28) » Tue May 31, 2011 4:29 am

Amrun wrote:
Empking wrote:
Amrun wrote:Oh, sorry. I didn't get that.

Why not hide behind Korts then?

Korts is a waste of a Cop. No way is he scum (unless Oman is also scum.)

So you're mildly suspicious of Oman after all?

He's a strong town read. Korts is a very strong town read.

Empking · Post Post #219 (isolation #29) » Tue May 31, 2011 4:33 am

Amrun wrote:
Empking wrote:
Amrun wrote:
Empking wrote:
Amrun wrote:Oh, sorry. I didn't get that.

Why not hide behind Korts then?

Korts is a waste of a Cop. No way is he scum (unless Oman is also scum.)

So you're mildly suspicious of Oman after all?

He's a strong town read. Korts is a very strong town read.

Why? But you see an association between the two?

The association is that the Oman wagon turned into a Korts wagon.

Empking · Post Post #221 (isolation #30) » Tue May 31, 2011 4:57 am

Amrun wrote:
Empking wrote:

The association is that the Oman wagon turned into a Korts wagon.

Yes, but I mean, do you think they could be scumbuddies, or something else?

In the unlikely circumstance that Korts is scum then Oman is his buddy.

Empking · Post Post #223 (isolation #31) » Tue May 31, 2011 5:02 am

Amrun wrote:
Empking wrote:
Amrun wrote:
Empking wrote:

The association is that the Oman wagon turned into a Korts wagon.

Yes, but I mean, do you think they could be scumbuddies, or something else?

In the unlikely circumstance that Korts is scum then Oman is his buddy.

You're seeing at least something of what I see, then. I now understand your hypocop.

Would you be willing to lynch Oman today?

Only if the alternative was myself or Korts.

Empking · Post Post #225 (isolation #32) » Tue May 31, 2011 6:08 am

Probably.

Empking · Post Post #236 (isolation #33) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:01 am

Oman wrote:
Empking wrote:
Amrun wrote:
Empking wrote:

The association is that the Oman wagon turned into a Korts wagon.

Yes, but I mean, do you think they could be scumbuddies, or something else?

In the unlikely circumstance that Korts is scum then Oman is his buddy.

I'm sorry, I'm hesitant to see the logic here. Surely if there is a wagon on scum, the push would be to move into onto town. Or if town is directing it, then the wagon doesn't define who is scumbuddies, because the town doesn't know that, they only have independent scumhits.

At the heart of it, I really don't understand this sentence at all. Why does the wagon going from me to korts indicate that we're buddies?

I'm town. Therefore unless you or cyberbob are his buddy then at least one scumbag had to decide to do a stupid bus away from you. I don't see that happening. I suppose Cyber could be his buddy.

Empking · Post Post #240 (isolation #34) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:26 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Oman wrote:Ah, understood.

I fail. Can you translate?

Empking: Not Kort's buddy.
Archaist, Kublai Khan, Amrun, DrippingGoofbal: Not Kort's buddy.
Ergo
Cyberbob and Oman are the only ones that can be Kort's buddy.

Empking · Post Post #242 (isolation #35) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:14 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Empking wrote:Cyberbob and Oman are the only ones that can be Kort's buddy.

Your conclusions do not conflict with my findings.

Oman hasn't hammered Korts, thoughts?

Reduces the odds that he's scum independent of Korts slightly.

Empking · Post Post #249 (isolation #36) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:53 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Empking wrote:Reduces the odds that he's scum independent of Korts slightly.

As scum, would he hammer a buddy?

Not in this circumstance.

As scum, would he hammer a townie?

Yes.

As town, would he hammer a scummy player?

Yes but what's that got to do with Korts?

Empking · Post Post #262 (isolation #37) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:29 pm

Arc: Who did you pick?

Empking · Post Post #264 (isolation #38) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:40 pm

Oh yeah.

Empking · Post Post #267 (isolation #39) » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:28 am

Let's decide the lynch using popcorning AV.

Empking · Post Post #269 (isolation #40) » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:30 am

Empking wrote:Let's decide the lynch using popcorning AV.

Wait. Eight players.

Vote: Oman

Empking · Post Post #281 (isolation #41) » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:33 am

Amrun wrote:Wait, no claim first?

Oh I shouldn't have compromised.

Changing my cop to Amrun. When I die you know what to do.

Empking · Post Post #283 (isolation #42) » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:46 am

Amrun wrote:Why is wishing we had taken our time and gotten a claim a bad thing?

Making a post about it is the scummy thing.

Empking · Post Post #326 (isolation #43) » Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:10 am

Good game to both scum.