Open 389 - Scumhunter's Speed8p, d3

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Welcome, Katsuki.

I suppose the real question now is: who knows best, Katsuki, or Kanye? :)

I definitely know best. And for once, people won't keep calling kanye katsuki.

More or less caught up, haven't read the walls yet.

NO ONE is being put at L-1 EVER until we're ready to lynch.

I'll probably make points later today on my way out right now.

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I also propose that we do absolutely nothing until tomorrow so that scum don't get the benefit of daychat.

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Did it really take you that long to think about the daychat argument?

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I propose that with one week deadlines, losing that discussion time would hurt us more than it would hurt scum.

If town does its job of being active properly then 5 days is more than enough time to find scum.

Anyways, headache now but not like my reads were coming before tomorrow anyways so.

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p.s. kanye you should try and guess the pw. I bet that you'll never be able to guess it.

Hint: It's not [OLDREDACTEDPW]

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tbh the argument didn't matter all that much considering daychat ends apparently in roughly 6hrs so.

This activity is disappointing though.

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Oh wait 8hrs when game started.

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Katsuki - I presume you were trying to draw agreement to trap someone with your initial question re:daychat? If not, it was pretty absurd.

Actually, quite the opposite. And there's one who failed most spectacularly.

VOTE: KORTS

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@Tony: Do you have any recently completed games available?

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I'm totally useless as a player. Ask anyone.

This is not something you should be proud of. Why did you feel the need to state this specifically?

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Katsuki: so basically... that was an orchestrated test?

Explain the reasoning/mechanics behind it please.

Oh, and my townread on you was based on the fact that it was genuine, so you're null to me now.

It was in part genuine. Namely, because at the time I made that post, we wern't losing the 48hrs of discussion that others are making my comments out to be, but rather less than 24hrs.

Not to mention as I stated earlier, if town does it's part in being active, 5 days is more than enough time to hunt scum, and minimal difference between 5 and 6 days.

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So could you tell me why kort's response is scummy? (not that I think he is undeserving or deserving of the accusation, I just simply don't understand it and you didn't elaborate)

Overstatement? (Not really this, I'll let you know when I remember the word that I'm thinking of).
In essence, compared to how IAUN and kanye responded, korts response and HOW he tried to push it was just bad.

There are other things but it's still hinging on some stuff that I haven't quite got sorted out yet so that won't factor just yet.

P-Edit: @Tony: Yeah I was hoping you had some more recent stuff. People change after 2 years sadly.

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Why is Korts town btw, kanye?

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Man, so many people are pleading reaction testing to the charge of idiocy.

It was in part genuine. Namely, because at the time I made that post, we wern't losing the 48hrs of discussion that others are making my comments out to be, but rather less than 24hrs.

What part of the suggestion was genuine, and what was the logic behind that part?

It was already explained in the second half of that post you're quoting.

I also need to note that I'm not liking this make-out session going on between Korts and Tony, be it more one-way or not.

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If by very good you mean very empty then I agree with you.

Hey kanye I'm gonna reset the hydra PW to what it was before so that we can hold hands just like how Tony and Korts are.

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Here's the second part of that post, then.

Not to mention as I stated earlier, if town does it's part in being active, 5 days is more than enough time to hunt scum, and minimal difference between 5 and 6 days.

The question is not whether we can do a good job in less time, it's whether there's any benefit to having less time--and to a 24 hour lull in conversation. That's the part I'm interested in seeing you explain.

Yes. There have been quite a few games I've been, one of which game-state lasted less than 6hrs where town won and was nominated for best town performance. Another example is Psychic Mafia lasting all of 2 days, which did win Best Town Performance.

An active town in a game of this size will find no difference between 6 days and 5.

The main point of the question in the first place was to see how people reacted to it. I'm sure you know that. You're not even scumhunting here.
If you really want to push this point as a "case", why would making this statement make me scum?

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Urp wrong account.

That aside I'm still disliking Korts as he is playing differently from the two brief games I've played with him in. I still do not think that both Tony and Korts are town though.

NS frankly I'm not sure as I can't read him for shit because he's always so fucking useless.

Korts is still my strongest scumread but it looks like I'm not gonna be getting my Korts lynch.
Busy today will try and find time to read but won't have any until late today.

P-EDIT: HAR HAR YOU of all people accusing ME, let alone anyone else, of not contributing?

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sigh who's scum then?

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I know you're on. You have 20mins until I hammer.

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Sitting in class. Interpret that.

Stuff later.

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VOTE: KORTS

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Unvote

I can't work out which of kanye and katsuki is scum, but I have this sneaky feeling one of them is.

If kanye was scum, he'd have hammered when you were at L-1. The only way he's scum is if you are too.

VOTE: Korts

Process of elimination. I just can't see a plausible pairing that doesn't include him.

Fill me in on this.

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Tony, your read on metabot?

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Kanye is town.

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Unvote

I can't work out which of kanye and katsuki is scum, but I have this sneaky feeling one of them is.

If kanye was scum, he'd have hammered when you were at L-1. The only way he's scum is if you are too.

VOTE: Korts

Process of elimination. I just can't see a plausible pairing that doesn't include him.

Fill me in on this.

Have you any strong feelings re: iamausername's explanation of this?

Better yet, what do you think of it?

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For one, I never asked a question, I was curious as to what his case would be. Secondly, if IAUN is/was such a strong suspect of yours, why do you care so much of what I think of it?

Anyways I'm ready to move on here.

Vote: Tony

His opening post of the day was bad. No indication of any willingness to pressure his presumed "top scum read" in IAUN, but rather to hop onto the Korts-scum camp.
The rest just involves looking at his progression of reads today.

Very certain of this and really something that should've been done D1.

p.s. #184 is a curious post.

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Also think that scum lies within IAUN and korts.

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The rest just involves looking at his progression of reads today.

Excuse me for trying to develop my reads on people and find scum.

This would possibly be acceptable if it wern't for the fact that you've done nothing all day to pursue your so called strongest scum read in IAUN.

Not to mention with this

Well, I can see why Korts is under suspicion, i still think iamausername is scum, and I can't work out which of kanye and katsuki is scum, but I have this sneaky feeling one of them is. For now, though, happy to pressure Korts.

coming after an empty vote of mine to open the day just reeks of "hey let me start donning the Korts gear despite being an IAUN fan cuz dat b where all da cool kidz b".

This isn't a development of reads. This is setting yourself up for what you perceive as the oncoming Korts suspicion after my feelings at least for Korts-scum the day before.

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Oh, fuck. Got that one wrong. Seriously though, how hard was NS trying to get lynched?

Well, I can see why Korts is under suspicion, i still think iamausername is scum, and I can't work out which of kanye and katsuki is scum, but I have this sneaky feeling one of them is. For now, though, happy to pressure Korts.

Expect me to post less prolifically for a while, meatworld stuff is getting a bit frantic at the moment.

I can't work out which of kanye and katsuki is scum, but I have this sneaky feeling one of them is.

If kanye was scum, he'd have hammered when you were at L-1.

This is a bit simplistic don't you think? And it introduces all sorts of WIFOM nonsense into the equation. Key point - even scum can act town to gain townie points.

Seriously guys, we need to put some thought into iamausername-scum here. I'm going to do an ISO read when I have more time. For now, a

FoS: iamausername

will be made, PURELY as a reminder to actually do this thing.

If these posts don't mean "I think IAUN is scum", then I am quite curious as to what they mean.

If he is the person you keep repeatedly mentioning is scum, I assume it would be because you think he is scum.

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Oh yeah finally there's that Katsuki vote.

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It's not really fabrication when your posts consist of "I think IAUN is scum, and X Y Z are suspicious".

Keep trying though.

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So um can you sum up your thoughts?

Also I'd appreciate if we didn;t hunt by living pairings but rather individuals first. I've seen many times the path hunting via pairs leads and would rather not head down that this game.

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while ruling out the katsuki/meatbot pairing is certainly possible there, i think katsuki is already basically conf town from declining to hammer ns. the scumkatsuki i know definitely would have.

kanye is town because of this post. As scum, there would have been no reason whatsoever to provide this analysis.

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I love this seniority rule because it means we can just sit here, do nothing and have tony lynch go through regardless.

Meatbot is the misguided townie right now voting for me considering his reasons for tony town aren't related to tony at all but rather vijay who voted a dissipating wagon which in no way clears tony as town (plus buddy one of easiest places to votepark anyways).

I fully expect my IAUN lynch tomorrow once we get tonyscum here.


p.s. Oh wait I kinda just summarized what kanye said above but oh well.

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Thanks for spilling my scumplay for all to see btw. = =

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:best

scum

townperformance:

>: )

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Why would anyone be going after Kanye if Tony flips scum, let alone "many"?

If Tony is flipping scum, what does that say of my alignment?

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 3&sr=posts

Plus tony still not interested in doing ANYTHING.

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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS MADNESS

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 3&sr=posts

Plus tony still not interested in doing ANYTHING.

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What's your point with this post, Katsuki? The fact I've been more active in a game where it's actually been enjoyable and productive rather than shite and tedious?

NO IT'S BECAUSE YOU'VE SHOWN NO INTEREST IN EITHER DEFENDING YOURSELF NOR SCUMHUNTING TO SHOW WHY SOMEONE ELSE IS SCUM

HOWEVER NOT LIKE IT MATTERS MUCH NOW BECAUSE KORTS PRETTY MUCH CLAIMED SCUM

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Hold on, hold on.

Why are you unwilling to vote Katsuki at this point, Tony? A few pages ago, you were adamant that he was intentionally misrepresenting you. What changed?

BACK TO MY ORIGINAL D1 READ OF KORTS

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P.S. THERE IS NO WAY IN FUCK THAT THERE ARE

TWO

MISGUIDED TOWNIES ON MY WAGON

Especially NOT after all I've been doing this game PLUS what kanye has said.

Scum lie amongst KORTS/IAUN/MEATBOT

I'd love to stick with my Tony scum-read because his D1 posts read trying too hard to come off as town (stuff like "bad for town", "us the town" and whatnot) that came off as ungenuine AND his terribad D2 but HELP ME GOD because IAUN and Korts are both good players and there is no way that BOTH of them believe the shit their spouting, especially Korts and almost every single post he's made this game (hint: He's not that bad as a player).

Muppets got eaten by Tigers and other game is still ongoing but FUCK Korts-town in both games offered incredible perspective into things (more so muppets when he had time to post).

I WANTED Tony first because I couldn't sort out which of IAUN/Korts is scum but fuck this shit.
You just messed with the wrong lynch Korts, should've just rode that Tony (mis?)lynch.

VOTE: KORTS

ALSO METABOT FUCKING UNVOTE
KANYE LETS GO KORTS CHOO CHOO

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Actually considering how meatbot genuinely believes his case for Tony town we're probably up against Korts/IAUN scumteam.

TOWN:

KATSUKIKNOWSBEST
KANYEKNOWSBEST
meatbot because he's been posting pretty genuine all game
Tony because no way in fuck my wagon contains two town.

THE REST

IAMSCUM
KORSCUM

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Gotta go write a paper now but if I am BY SOME MIRACLE LYNCHED by LOLPANTSONHEAD, I FULLY EXPECT A KORTS THEN IAUN LYNCH, IN THAT ORDER.

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KORTS PRETTY MUCH CLAIMED SCUM

That's rich coming from you, Mr. I-love-this-seniority-rule-because-it-means-we-can-just-sit-here.

I'm going to bed. Wake me up when someone's dead.

I don't see how seniority rule and me calling you scum are tied.

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Did you not read my posts and how I ended up coming to the conclusion that you're probably town, meatbot?

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Unfortunately I'm going to have to replace your slot because this is your third prod. You're welcome to the dead qt if you like :)

Hope you enjoyed the game while it lasted!
AV

oh hey you're right i never saw this

WHERE THE FUCK WAS THE DEAD QT BTW?

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kats, is the fact that it would mean both username and meatbot started a counterwagon on you instead of korts the main thing that makes you dismiss korts/tony?

Essentially.

Tony's posts to open the game still give me bad feelings but I always thought Kort's interaction with Tony was bad. At best they were buddies, and at worst Kort was scum.

IAUN isn't this bad at mafia, unless he genuinely thought that Tony was town at the time of rev-ing up the counter-wagon. However that wouldn't explain why he chose to ignore Korts. Plus the bad gut feelings I got during that NS hammer D1 makes me certain about this but I didn't think about it much because I was still busy trying to parse who in the fuck was actually scum, and by the looks of it right now got distracted by Tony's play.

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he pmd that to me after he replaced us and i tried 2 get us unreplaced. guess he didnt send it to you! but he resent all the topics and setup shit afterwarsd and i see ur on the sendee list for that so u should have it

neways convince me its username and not tony seriously because im going to keep tunneling tony after korts flips scum at this point

You guys got 1 extra mislynch after lynching Korts so feel free to hang Tony after IAUN dies. :P