Open 391 - Theft on Cookie Island - Town Wins

[Thomith]

VOTE: Guy_Named_Rigs
You like cookies too much... seriously.

[Thomith]

well this cookie discussion isn't getting us anywhere

1- what allignment do you prefer playing as, town or scum?

scum for sure, i like being evil and i prefer being the uninformed minority, of course that doesn't mean i don't try as town .

2- how many games have you played before this one?

this is something like my 15th game, i lost count

3- what is your timezone and how many times a day can we expect you to be posting?

my timezone is the UK one (no clue if it is GMT or BST i get confused between the two... 19:31 as of the time posting so...) and i will try to post at least once a day, if not more.

my answers are

bolded

discuss.

[Thomith]

i said discuss because there was nothing going on so i wanted to make sure everyone started doing something.

@ the questions,

in my opinion we should assume we have 3 scum as it is safer, that way we have the safer example to go on making us less likely to mess up a lylo/mylo.

if we have a cop they shouldn't out a guilty unless it is the last guilty of the game (if we have lynched 2 scum in this case)

That's a good catch rigs... but as others said it could be more of at least 1 scum in 4 and 1 scum in 8, but there is porbably at least 1 scum in the 8 that confirmed.

i usualy post in the quicktopic first as scum before confirming for the reason that amrun stated.

[Thomith]

what om says does make sense, as i believe at least one scum needs to be around to say if they will recruit or not.
lolwut the game hadn't started, wow... :p

[Thomith]

dont worry quaroath .

[Thomith]

why is saying discuss scummy?

and i have the same thoughts as riggs, as town the second setup as scum the first.

[Thomith]

or throwing it out there and see if anyone slips?

[Thomith]

/confirm

[Thomith]

VOTE: rigs
you still like cookies too much.

[Thomith]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: fuduzn
You are voting amrun for being stuck? i don't see it as being fake as we just had to re roll and we can't say what allignment we were last time so old reads stick, honestly it feels like you are reaching with a very shit reason.

[Thomith]

@141, it isn't that easy, as the other game is still in your mind as it started and reads stick, as the playerlist is the same and the roles are the same but reshuffled, so of course the other game will be on peoples mind.

[Thomith]

Amrun is town because I feel she believes what she says no matter how right or wrong she may be,

That is a towntell? Scum can "believe" what they are saying no matter what, i don't see how this part of your post makes her town.
Chrimi om did specify the reason, maybe you should go back and check.

[Thomith]

they can at least act like it, which was my point.

[Thomith]

How does self-voting automatically confirm someone as scum?

It isn't very pro-town is it? Plus of course it doesn't confirm them as scum so why ask?

[Thomith]

how does the second one give you that impression?

[Thomith]

how does it infer he is confirmed scum though?

[Thomith]

Cool, can we just forget it and can you just start doing productive stuff now?

[Thomith]

I'm asking questions to things i find weird to figure things out.

[Thomith]

Thing is what me and rigs were talking about were things that weren't really RVS related as we were more talking about people "confirming" you as scum, and you come and seemingly come and try to defuse things by saying "OH THAT WAS RVS" when the point i was putting across wasn't about you voting yourself.

[Thomith]

It isn't scummy, it just isn't what standard town do, however i do agree that the way some people are acting about it is a bit too strong.

[Thomith]

Also what i don't understand is how (to my knowledge) nobody called om of the nom out for doing the same thing, unless i missed something.

[Thomith]

Chrimi, you were asked to scumhunt, by not doing so you are reflecting against questions in a sense, as that was what you got asked.

[Thomith]

What? I'm using your logic here, you said if you scumhunted you would be called out for "reflecting the question" or something like that, when in fact THAT WAS the question.

[Thomith]

because scumhunting catches scum?

[Thomith]

Care to explain, because to me scum hunting catches scum more often than reaction testing, which can catch headstrong town.

[Thomith]

Where? I see nothing.

[Thomith]

Hiraki, the i don't like/i like arguement is stupid, "i don't like" can be a term used to say if you think something is scummy, not that you simply don't like it, and the pony thing is completely the wrong context...

[Thomith]

omg matt dont give me that bullcrap

"oh no please don't tell me your scum" wtf is that? This infers you think we are scum but you vote om without even FOSing either of us?

whut?

FOS:Matt

also fuz doesn't do exactly what you do you are doing exactly what fuz does.

[Thomith]

then why say "don't tell me you're mafia too " if it is only one post that makes you think that.

[Thomith]

to me fuz's first post made me weary of him, and you are just making me suspect you more and more every post you make.

What do mean by that hiraki?

p-edit - honestly, as town it would make more sense to say something like "that seems scummy/that was bad" not "i hope you are not scum" imo.

[Thomith]

Do you think matt is town chrimi?

[Thomith]

whut? You wanted to play with me for ages so you don't want to be scum? It is a mafia game, if you wanted to play a mafia game with me for ages why would it matter to you if i was town or scum?

[Thomith]

If I want to play a game of mafia with someone that I personally like I generally like them to be town with me so I don't have to push for their lynch

This just sounds wrong but i can't put my finger on why...

[Thomith]

more annoying to lynch? care to explain that?

[Thomith]

True, and i understand where you are coming from, but why did you do the same with amrun? Same reason?

[Thomith]

@ Amrun
to me, reaction fishing is a form of scumhunting which is generally less effective than normal scumhunting, as it usually draws out scummy reactions from town more than it does on scum, and ends in a town lynch more often than normal scumhunting does from what i have seen.

[Thomith]

@helio, to me the "i hope you are not scum" is too similar to how some scum "i want to think your town" to get townpoints, which is why i find matt iffy.

@chrimi 361 - Any reason for this?

[Thomith]

Helio, basing something on "scum we wouldn't catch" is not a smart thing to lynch from day 1 imo, as we could find someone who is genuinely scummy, rather than lynch someone just because they might be scum, which seems like what you are suggesting.

[Thomith]

Not 100%, i voted for what i found weird at the time, which i do unless i find something else, and what i meant by that statement was that if we lynch someone because we wouldnt catch them if they are scum then we are essentially wasting a lynch that could be used by lynching a scummy person.

Also what good does it do by calling the scumteam before any flips?

[Thomith]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: om of the nom
Why did you put someone at L-2 with little reason, and another question what was your reason for putting fud at L-2?

[Thomith]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: om of the nom
Why did you put someone at L-2 with little reason, and another question what was your reason for putting fud at L-2?

Why did you put me to L-3 with a contradictory reason?

L-2 this early with no reason is bad, i don't see how L-3 is, and really how is that contradictory? is putting someone at L-3 early bad, and even so, i had more of a reason than you, as im pretty sure it was obvious what my reason was.

[Thomith]

Also, why didn't you post any evidence on your fud vote until pushed (afew posts before voting) as your reason isn't really justifiable without an example

[Thomith]

I'm willing to drop the L-2 thing as amrun is right in a way, L-2 isn't that signifigant and i overreacted to it i admit.
UNVOTE:
om is the L-2 thing the only one thing that make me and fud "buddies"?

[Thomith]

Yes, but that was a huge overreaction, which makes up for the lack of reasons.

I don't see how me asking you if that was the only reason was an overreaction?

[Thomith]

I didn't know you meant that, i already admitted that was an overreacton, but how does that make up for the lack of reasons on me being fuds "buddy"?

[Thomith]

The only thing i see as over reacting was the L-2 thing, the contradictory thing i don't see as overreacting.

[Thomith]

You said it was a severe overreaction, and quoted the whole post, so i assumed you meant the whole post.

[Thomith]

I don't see the L-2 thing being a

severe

overreaction, even if it was an overreaction, as you still didn't explain the reason until pushed, which was my other point.

[Thomith]

You didn't give a post that he did it though, that is what i meant by explanation, so to rephrase you didn't really try to prove it to what i was aware until pushed.

[Thomith]

Making one post about isn't really pushing it.

I don't understand this, care to explain?

[Thomith]

Ok then why didn't you prove it until "asked" then?

[Thomith]

i think fud might be town due to om putting him at L-2 with little reason, but not sure if this takes om scum.

[Thomith]

Om, why in your opinion are wiki tells worse than other tells?
Also fud did you know you were putting om at L-2 with little reason?

ok om has gained afew town points, as i honestly don't think scum would call a 1v1 on day 1, however the wiki tells thing and the L-2 thing outweigh this in a way, but just something to think about.

[Thomith]

but couldn't they think that and do the opposite and actively use them?
That type of WIFOM works both ways (like most WIFOM...)

[Thomith]

@mod, i unvoted om, if it wasn't clear enough then
UNVOTE:
i did it now.
While i find it weird my previous point still stands + my over reaction could just be me being paranoid about om, still GMEOU though.

I Missed that, thanks. Fixed.

[Thomith]

throwing your vote around isn't a scumtell, nor is it RVS if you have slight game related reasons at the time of throwing it around, which unless i forget ac did.

[Thomith]

om, thing is you can't look at this one sidedly if you are going to use meta as an arguement, the point is GNR has proved that he does it as town and scum so your meta arguement has been proved null.
Also i see where you are coming from slando, however voting to generate discussion isn't a scumtell in its self obviously, but if there is already a wagon with reason going it kind of is in a way, in my eyes it is more a null tell.

[Thomith]

I'm pretty sure helio mentioned 3 scum somewhere but i don't remember where, i also am not completely sure on the cop claiming idea as if we have one it could lead us to getting little to no reports, just my two cents though.

also from how they are acting i could see OOTN being town JK although still unsure, and rainbow om has said he wanted to lynch me numerous times, so him showing interest to lynch me isn't anything new.

[Thomith]

Helio, cop outing with only 1 report increases their chance of not getting any more, also i see where you are going by the no room for error thing, but with this setup it can be dangerous too, with the varying number of town power for example.

Chrimi can you stop calling yourself as scum and stop distracting from the game? If you are town, why are you doing this?

Sando, if misrepping is generally a scumtell, why would scum do it on purpose?

[Thomith]

Because if you're good at it, you can get the person lynched or at least diffuse their arguments. Scumtells are typically scumtells because they're good for scum, if they think they can get away with it, why wouldn't they do something pro-scum?

this looks like WIFOM to me, as on the flip side what if they don't get away with it? This seems like a weird statement to make.

[Thomith]

Helio what's the point in claiming scum? What does it do for either faction?

[Thomith]

fair point, however i am still more unsure of om than i am of helio, but the scum claim has confused my reads somewhat.

[Thomith]

agreeing with rainbow, if helio is town and scum "accidentally" hammers they can use the excuse that he claimed scum.

Rainbowdash, it wasn't going to be a quickhammer. Get that vote back on there, we need pressure on him.

i think L-2 is pretty good pressure, but that's just me, willingness to wagon noted. (null read atm)

[Thomith]

did we? quote please, as L-2 is still quite a bit of pressure imo.

[Thomith]

fud i dont think you answered my question, answer it please.

[Thomith]

fair point at the quickhammer thing, but L-2 still provides pressure which was my original point.

[Thomith]

is it L-2 or L-1?
Not sure about the reaction test, but it sort of makes sense, as day 1 i'm confused on why scum would claim.

[Thomith]

day 1 i'm confused on why scum would claim.

[Thomith]

fair point, still unsure about this whole thing.
has helio claimed? (other than scum...)

[Thomith]

lol being unsure? Whats your point here?

[Thomith]

i do remember you, i just didnt know what you are getting at.
i was asking if he claimed because i wouldnt believe anything other than VT and wanted to see if he claimed anything else, that was my point there.

[Thomith]

I think Chimi and Rainbowdash are def town, at least

why's that?

[Thomith]

I am going to forget Day 1 happened, since I clearly was not the best I have ever been.

I can do Thomith, that or Om.

VOTE: Thomith

why? Jumping on a bandwagon for no reason? I understand why om is voting me, but om do you have any other suspects other than me?

[Thomith]

Im assuming this constitutes both GNR and Thomith claiming "not JK" am I correct in that?

oh my bad, yes i am not a JK.

also any reason for that chrimi?

[Thomith]

Wait what.....I must have missed you claiming JK, and you still say you are one?

wondering how as it was a discussion point for a small chunk of the day...

[Thomith]

ok... any reads other than gut?
om is null until JK/not JK claims are over, RD seems towny but i always think that, fud is null/scum as i find it weird they didnt see the JK claim, matt is null/scum for their weird comments early game.
all i have so far :/.

p-edit it is a bit fishy, but WIFOM stuff means we shouldn't speedlynch om just for living.

[Thomith]

nope om has a point, that post seems weird, a little like scum looking for a scapegoat.

[Thomith]

if you saw him "try to claim something" why
a- didn't you check what
b- act quite surprised when they said they were JK?

[Thomith]

[quote="hiraki]Hypocop only works if we know cop is a role in the game.[/quote]
thing is all we know is that we might have a cop in game, and like RD said only scum knows if we do or don't, i am for hypocopping so:
If i am a cop, I investigated Hiraki and they came up Innocent.

[Thomith]

previewing fails me again...

[Thomith]

I was the first person to claim JK, and nobody has countered me at all. I'm basically confirmed.

not really confirmed, we still dont know if there is 1 JK or 2.

[Thomith]

we already explained it countless times, maybe you should read like a page in advance?
VOTE: fud
my gut is telling me this is where my vote should be.

[Thomith]

the point is which has been explained at least once is if there is a cop and the cop dies we have their report, if they die without hypocopping then we have nothing.

also you miss alot of things, my gut is telling me it could be scum missing things so they dont flip, also i didn't see any reasoning from you when you voted me.

[Thomith]

the point is which has been explained at least once is if there is a cop and the cop dies we have their report, if they die without hypocopping then we have nothing.

also you miss alot of things, my gut is telling me it could be scum missing things so they dont

slip,

also i didn't see any reasoning from you when you voted me.

EBWOP

[Thomith]

matt thing is i still find the comment weird and always will, my gut reads take time to go/ usually never go, i am not voting you right now because i prefer my fud vote, matt you also missed where chrimi changed his mind on the idea, maybe you should double check before posting things like that?
also
a- we still dont know if we have a cop or not >.>
b- we already explained pros for town
c- you went from seemingly not knowing we were hypocopping to knowing we were hypocopping in a minute? lolk

[Thomith]

i assume you mean fud, and it is mostly gut yes, but i dont like the way they miss a tonne even if it was recent.
Why did you make a seperate post then? does it make you look better? (@the hypocop thing)
also i think om was meaning hypocopping or cop claiming, i think the former keeps the cop safer, and if we have a cop and they die if we hypocop we have a report, if we dont we have nothing, think that is one of the main reasons for hypocopping.

[Thomith]

either Thom or Om is scum(possibly both

could you explain this?

also the quote rainbow posted makes me agree with the GNR reasoning, as that quote looks like trying too hard to fake a read, but thats just me.

FOS:GNR

still prefer my fud vote atm.

[Thomith]

I smashed my knee last weekend and thought nothing of it, but now i am getting a burning pain when i put the slightest pressure on it, so i am going to the hospital so might be unavailable until further notice, might be fine tommurrow, but need to be sure.

[Thomith]

i don't see how rainbow is "giving scum a way to beat her plan" could you point this out to me fud, as i can't see it.

about my V/LA - if you read the mini normal queue you will probably know i messed up my knee/leg, got it x-rayed last night and it is chipped, however the part of the leg that grows has also slipped a little so i may need to go back to the hospital if the doctors deem it needed, right now i am taking off my V/LA, however in the next week or so i may disappear for a few days, if i do this is why.

[Thomith]

I agree with RD's reasoning, that a OOTN lynch today might be a bad thing if they are town, however i am not yet sold that if OOTN is scum that sando is the partner, any reasoning on this RD?

[Thomith]

I agree with RD's reasoning, that a OOTN lynch today might be a bad thing if they are town, however i am not yet sold that if OOTN is scum that sando is the partner, any reasoning on this RD?

assuming this is RD's reasoning anyway, if it isnt then that is my logic.

[Thomith]

I always read RD as town, probably because they are a massive benefit if they are town, this game is no different as her play reminds me alot of bedtime story mafia, and their reads make little sense coming from scum imo.

i don't like how matt and fud are seemingly dumb to the fact we can clear om, matt more so because he seemingly wants om dead before he can have a chance to get cleared, thats how i see it anyway.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: PM

@RD still would like a reason why you think sando/om would make sense as buddies, as i recall you saying this could be the case.

[Thomith]

but PM is soo scummy it is dumb, he fits in perfectly to scum trying to avoid getting clears (this of course is assuming OOTN is the JK, so it is a 50/50...) but i dont see if OOTN is scum it makes PM and GNR town.

[Thomith]

VOTE: Sando

L-2

do you think sando is scum and why?

[Thomith]

ok, i can agree with that honestly, as i agree sando hasn't done much and feels like they have avoided getting tells with anyone, so i can get down with this.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: sando
i believe this is L-1 if we counted right.

[Thomith]

THIS IS L-1

in case it wasnt clear.

[Thomith]

I also stated that with plenty of time (2 weeks) to deadline and 2 lurkers that putting someone at L-1 with my first post might not be the greatest idea.

could you re-word this as i don't understand your point here.

[Thomith]

thinking about it sando does have a point, and what they are saying makes sense, as L-1 with 2 weeks left does seem like a bad thing especially being your first post on day 2, for this reason, and the reason sando brought up about fud disappearing and generally feeling off about him, plus sando's last post seems towny i am switching votes back to fud.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: fud

[Thomith]

i "jump all over you" when you do something i think is scummy or my gut tells me that i should vote you, i dont see that as oppurtunistic.

[Thomith]

i agreed with your reason, and i had the same thoughts earlier, and i prefer fud over sando.

[Thomith]

so you are saying RD is scum manipulating us then sando? Rainbow always seems to come up with little plans like these in the town games i have played with her/watched her play in, don't know if she does it as scum but i don't think it is a scumtell here.

[Thomith]

so you are saying RD is scum, if so why no vote/ actual FOS?

[Thomith]

I understand why you think it is terrible reasoning, but really we have little else to go off of.

[Thomith]

because of the way om interacted with you/ lack of interaction imo it would make sense you were partners if om is scum, also i don't see how nothing to go off is worse than using a 50/50

[Thomith]

You piped up quick when i mentioned you...

[Thomith]

om/sando to me just feel like they are ignoring each other, which i find weird, however it could just be bad observation from my part.

[Thomith]

they aren't really random when i am questioned are they?

[Thomith]

ok what are your reads on each other? what do you think of the pairing? om what do you think of sando's last comment about todays pairing and a possible tommurrows?

[Thomith]

i mean purposely ignoring each other, if you look at it that way then we could be paired together to, however i just get a feeling that for some reasoning they are purposely ignoring each other.

[Thomith]

you tell me to question you and ignore 2 of the questions, so what is the point?
I know you are not afraid to bus, but i still find it weird how you and sando seem to be purposely keeping out of each others way.

[Thomith]

what i mean is that they started talking to each other then just stopped, which sando has admitted.

[Thomith]

i find it weird that you have said you are just ignoring him, as i dont see how that helps us.

[Thomith]

i dont think fud ever answered why he voted me at day start, unless i missed it, this is why i voted him earlier in the day.

[Thomith]

yes if om is scum the partner could claim cop, but we still have a chance of getting a clear and i dont see why you are against it.

[Thomith]

could you explain the last bit again, i got confused with all the "scum"
if you do the same by giving yourself wiggle room why bring it up, as if that is true depending on the situation to you it obviously isn't scummy?

[Thomith]

chrimi we have until the 1st of June, which is still 9/10 days away, i don't think we have to worry about deadline yet.

fud the whole game is based on interactions, so i don't see how your "the plan is based on interactions so i dont like it" stance helps us here.

[Thomith]

which implies you don't like the plan because it is based around interactions.

[Thomith]

if i am a better lynch then you don't like the plan, and i don't see how chrimi scum slipped, could you show me this?

[Thomith]

interesting... i see where you are coming from, and because of that i wouldn't mind a chrimi lynch, however if i am alone there is no point.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: chrimi
to show support of this.

[Thomith]

so chrimi, i am not aloud to follow a wagon? i have little this game so if i see something i agree with i vote with it, like i do with all games i have little on, also i don't see why you are trying to predict my play, how does that help?

[Thomith]

so matt is still against a possible clear and always only thinking of the wost case scenario, i dont see why town would be so wary of a possible clear town.

[Thomith]

even though i have explained why i voted chrimi?
also it is rational to assume that there is no chance for the best case scenario to happen? because that is how you are acting.

[Thomith]

so om goes from posting about a page of crap with chrimi and then votes me, sounds totally legit.

[Thomith]

still crap that detracts from the game, so the point still stands.

[Thomith]

you detracted the game for like a page, how does that help us?

[Thomith]

and if you are town that helps us how? this is why i think you are likely scum, you often show motivation which i dont think would come from town.

[Thomith]

it seemed detracting but is a null-tell in itself, but at this stage the detracting seems weird.

[Thomith]

but you jumped on me again out of the blue after posting no content for a page, also yes i find fud suspicious but if i see good reasoning that i agree with then i follow it.

[Thomith]

i dont see how that is fake content when i am at least still trying.

[Thomith]

yes... i have little this game so if something good comes up i support it.

[Thomith]

something i agree with and can understand the reasoning to.

[Thomith]

if i have little to go on or am unsure i follow people who have reasons i agree with, i dont see why that is scummy.

[Thomith]

nice twist of words.

[Thomith]

Everyone just stopped talking -.-

Could we please lynch Thomith and get on to the next day?

I wouldn't as i didn't post a page of fluff, and have been trying, you seemed like you gave up pages ago.

[Thomith]

you post fluff for a page and just go "oh lynch thomith" without considering anything else, not listening to anyone and just tunneling with little reason each post.

[Thomith]

i dont remember what i havent defended against, care to tell me so i can?

[Thomith]

but it does matter because i am not scum, and because you Can't let go Of the fact that you might be wrong and so you will be Pretty dissapointed when i flip.

[Thomith]

^
That post man.
Just so scummy sounding.

what else can i do when i cant really defend myself?

[Thomith]

which is what i am trying to do.

[Thomith]

om why are you assuming rainbow is cop? From what i see it just looks like they were making a point, not actually claiming.
Also i like the way PM jumped on my wagon when it was starting to gain speed, taking note of this, however as we are about a week from deadline and i doubt he will be lynched there is no point wasting a vote.
UNVOTE:
i will vote soon, but want to hear more on oms JK arguement before i make up my mind.

[Thomith]

ok i am willing to vote/hammer GNR (don't know how many votes he has) but i want hiraki to post their "wall of shit" before day moves into night.
either way i think GNR/fud are possible scum, GNR for popping up and defending when he is being attacked and really not getting that involved in things.
fud for jumping on wagons when they gain speed, and not really explaining much.

[Thomith]

Hiraki we are still waiting for your post.

[Thomith]

expecting your post first thing hiraki.

[Thomith]

doesn't matter when as long as we see it in your first post tommurrow (or in twilight if possible)

[Thomith]

I'm against the cop claiming if they don't have a guilty and only have one innocent, but hey it's your choice i guess.
If you guys saw the cops breadcrumb we could hypocop and then at least some of us will know the report?

[Thomith]

but if we hypo cop wouldn't YOU be able to force a win because you would know the Inno or guilty? as YOU said you saw the breadcrumb.

[Thomith]

Actually thinking about it we have pretty much an assured win if cop claims even just an innocent, so if you have one you should claim cop.

[Thomith]

I breadcrumbed cop to draw in the nightkill because i didn't think that many people would notice it but it would be noticeable enough to give the real cop another night to get a report, i know it was dumb, but i thought a cop would be more useful to me at that point.

[Thomith]

I breadcrumbed cop to draw in the nightkill because i didn't think that many people would notice it but it would be noticeable enough to give the real cop another night to get a report, i know it was dumb, but i thought a cop would be more useful

than

me at that point.

EBWOP

[Thomith]

ugh... my inno is on RD which is why i didn't want to out and was going to let it slide today, but if we can break the game and win then...
probably my worst game ever but lets get this win over with.

[Thomith]

yeah, i did in case you were scum leading us because i can't read you well, so wanted to be sure, and felt so stupid after i was going to let it ride so i have a better report.

[Thomith]

I was going to let it slide because my report was obv town because i wanted to be sure, thats why i "wasnt the cop" when you claimed.

[Thomith]

N1 i investigated Hiraki N2 RD
both inno, when you lynch me just remember sando is scum for sure and you should lynch them next.
VOTE: sando

[Thomith]

I had a inno on an obv town because i was stupid and went to cautious so i was going to wait until i got a better report.

[Thomith]

i thought it would be better for town if i had better reports, as my reports were useless anyway i thought i would ride it out to get a better one.

[Thomith]

I didn;t change my mind on my role, i know i am cop and have already explained why i did what i did.

[Thomith]

why not? if i am useless i saw no point in claiming so decided to just let it slide for a day to claim tommurrow.

[Thomith]

i dont see where i changed my reason.

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If i died sando would be lynched anyway, plus my report was obv town so i thought it wouldnt matter much, also most likely your results actually are innocent as scum wouldnt fake an innocent on their buddy in case they got lynched and flipped goon.

[Thomith]

i'll remember that next time, but after i die you better get sando.

[Thomith]

i investigated rainbowdash because i can't read them and wanted to be sure they were not scum leading us astray.

[Thomith]

i investigated rainbowdash because i can't read them and wanted to be sure they were not scum leading us astray.

[Thomith]

so sando, you say you knew om was scum but still just didn't really try that hard to get them lynched?
If you genuinely red the setup wrong, wouldn't you have at least tried a little as cop to get them lynched, you barely tried at all.

[Thomith]

but if you genuinely thought that wouldn't you try then? as you would have confirmed scum?

[Thomith]

Sando has a point, if we dont lynch a scum today, then what is to stop scum killing om?

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Or on the other hand i know you are scum, so that gets us nowhere because we can't guarentee which one is scum, because we have both done things that make our claims look fake, it isn't like one of us has been perfect and is obviously cop, i know you are scum, but everyone else doesn't, so i am willing to go with the RD claim as i doubt you will be lynched today.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: chrimi

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but you are not cop, you are lieing but only i know it, same with you, in your eyes i am not cop and i am scum, however you are acting like you are the obvious cop because i've made mistakes which make my claim look false, but so have you, so it gets us nowhere, which is why i prefer RD's plan, as you wont be lynched so the perfect plan will not be able to be played, so may as well go for second best right?
chrimi maybe you should read a little.

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Sand you are saying if i flip scum, if you were the cop you would KNOW i would flip scum which annoys me that nobody else sees this.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sando

[Thomith]

but he is talking around about his plan is to be used *if* i flip town, when wouldn't he know i will if he is cop?

[Thomith]

but he is talking around about his plan is to be used *if* i flip

scum

, when wouldn't he know i will if he is cop?

EBWOP

[Thomith]

You didn't seem to care earlier, what changed?

[Thomith]

You were acting like i was town, now not so much.

[Thomith]

You were acting like i was scum, now not so much.

wow triedness, EBWOP again.

[Thomith]

you will be dissapoined when i flip cop chrimi, and town would have just lost their autowin.

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have you even half read half the game chrimi? you are just tunneling with no reason really.

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but your tunneling the cop, and im getting sick of you always doing this, you do it in like every game and it is getting annoying.

[Thomith]

JR, pick your poison and now this game you have pretty much tunneled me in all those games, that is what i am talking about.

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how does that make sense sando, as people are treating ac as clear anyway?

[Thomith]

the most likely scum by PoE is chrimi and matt obv, right now i am unsure which is more likely but chrimi is definately acting more like scum than pm is imo, so after sando dies you should probably do one of those two as the others are most likely town.

[Thomith]

innocent on Fud
VOTE: Sando
so one of sando and one of ac/chrimi/PM then, unless sando is faking an innocent but i doubt scum would do that, right now i am guessing chrimi then PM would be a win if we lynch sando before me, if not sando then just lynch sando first and repeat the plan i guess, if neither chrimi or PM are scum then it has to be ac but that is worst case scenario really.

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i meant your other innocents, RD is clear, so is FD and i forget your other "innocent"
nice try though.

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you had 2 i swear, unless my memory is bad.

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yeah, next time i pull a gambit like that remind me not to make it so obvious and not flail so bad.
I think i was doing *ok* until then, but pulling the cop breadcrumb out of the bag was my biggest mistake imo.