Open 404 - Twin Trap - Final

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Anyway, might read D1 if I feel like it. I'll definitely read D2 though.

Anything important happen? Anything I should check out?

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Well.. who could have possibly wanted Oman dead?

Do not like. Too open ended for my tastes. Also lack of follow up doesn't look good either.

1. Should we pl kass. If we don't hit scum today it is lylo tomorrow. I don't want him in lylo.

Not for or against it.

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Oh, just noticed Venmar and DCL have claimed PR's.

1. Whether to pl kass depends on what happens. Right now, I don't have a really strong scum read on anyone, so I'd be amenable to a kass lynch. I agree that he should not be in lylo.

Who are your scumreads right now, regardless of how weak or strong they are?

2. Only problem with that is that we would be almost certainly condemning one of them to death.

But it lowers to lynch pool for both today and the next day and could really help if tomorrow is LYLO.

ISOing players right now, but i know i am town and i am almost completely 100% that DCL is town.

Softclaim here makes his PR claim believable.

I know I'm town so I'm obviously not putting myself down as a possible suspect.

I found this kinda odd. Though I don't know why...

Shattered Viewpoint

- Hasn't necessarily said anything to tick me off. To start with Chronos seemed to push for a Psyche lynch, and actually almost did. This turned out to be a fakehammer gambit, which all it does is deceive town and doesn't really ( in my opinion ) do much.

The point of a fakehammer gambit is to fish a reaction from a "lynched" player to find out their alignment.

Ever since the fakehammer gambit Shattered Viewpoint has said practically nothing, and thus seems to be lurking.

Is he scum for it?

LordChronos

- Okay, reading over LordChronos, i still have a hard time getting a good, valid read on him but i found a couple things to note and what i think of him. He seems fairly townie, heres some small reasons i think i picked up. But on guy alone, i feel null about him at best because of my uncertainty. He could be a townie or good scum.

- Seems to scumhunt often.
- Takes initiative to ask for a prod on Kassadin.

How does this make him town?

- Asks questions frequently and interrogates, this can swing both ways.
- Analyses people, this can be tied up with scumhunting.
- I do not see or pick up any buddying on his part, so this is, i believe, fairly townie.

Do scum always have to buddy?

- In all honesty, i do not sense much scummynes in LC's posts, he seems to not buddy anyone, scumhunts to some extent, takes small initiatives, and analyses people's moves and behaviors. He also asks questions, which i think can be townie, but also scummy, as a over protective player can be scum. But since i don't seen any obviously evident buddying, i am not sure if his questions are made in the best interest of a scum.

Don't like how a lot of this town read is based off LC not buddying anyone.

LC - Scummy, I don't exactly remember why but I'll re-read. I think how his logic on DCL's proposal for the PR's to claim PR felt totally wrong is part of the reason.

Quote it please?

Kassadin - I'd like to say town b/c as scum I think he tries a little bit. Either way this should be the last resort b/c there is really no connection between him and anyone else.

There isn't much of a connection with him and the game either. Also him being town because he supposedly tries more as scum souns like a really bad reason to clear someone.

SV - has given us nothing besides that supposed fakehammer gambit.

Does this make him scum or town?

kondi/psyche's slot - First thing I want to know is, would Kondi replace out as scum? Concerned about his scum record maybe? Heat was on him right away and he didn't appear to be reading the 10 pages?

Did he have to read the 10 pages?

right now we have basically 3 cleared town: myself, venmar and bk.

Why is BK confirmed?

Kass bothers me a lot right now. He is a wildcard slot that we can't afford to leave alive yet we can't afford to kill.

Are you for his lynch or against it (or neutral)?

actually not really, scum has the advantage now that they know which is which.

Said the person who was adamant for the PR's to claim... Also I think I know a possible way for the scum to get by without being detected in this night phase, but I won't say what it is.

After looking it over (thankfully only 15 page game), LC is a slight town read. post #350 is a bit worrying though.

Why?

SV is probably town for the fake-hammer gambit that probably would have worked if I hadn't posted. Though it's not a strong read b/c that is literally all he has done.

How does the gambit make him town?

Did I mention having Kass as your partner in a 2-man scum team would encourage anyone to replace out? Going to blacklist that guy.

If Kass and I were scum together, I'd adamantly push for his lynch like a crazed maniac and then just carry the rest of the game on my shoulders.

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Kassadin in virtually useless in every game no matter his alignment. Therefore, his play is really a null-tell. He needs to be policy-lynched prior to LyLo simple

because

he is so unreadable.

Vote: Kassadin

So you'd rather policy lynch someone instead of finding scum before LYLO?

SV don't use PL on Kass as an excuse to not read the thread.

Agreed.

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I'm lazy.

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I would say something right now but :ongoing game:

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Lol.

Vote: Om of the Nom

Explain.

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Oh, Om, SV is scum for the fakehammer gambit because it was his only good contribution to the game. Seems more like scum trying to come in and learn Psyche's role in this case.

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SV is scum because he's trying to find out my slot's role.
I'm scum apparently too.
Whereas, if we're both scum, then we already know eachother's roles.

I wish you weren't confirmed town, otherwise I would have voted you so hard.

Also buddying is fun lol, I always have a special connection with my fellow awesome townies :D

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Also, answer the rest of my questions.

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Um, that implies I'm not scum with Kassadin.
Also I am still neutral about the PL, just against NS's attitude towards it.

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Sure, I may be scummy from my predecessors, but hey, I can't change their actions.
What about my entry was scummy?

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NS is SV you silly :P

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Why do I feel like people are wanting to lynch me solely based on my predecessors actions without even bothering to look at what I have said :P

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because your predecessors were very scummy.

What about my actions by themselves?

Why do I feel like people are wanting to lynch me solely based on my predecessors actions without even bothering to look at what I have said :P

Whiney scum?

Nope. Just annoyed town :P
I really don't like it when people doesn't listen to me.

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First, can you tell me why BK is confirmed?

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So wait, if he just claimed VT, then he isn't confirmed is he? He can only be confirmed if he's been mod-confirmed.
Also yeah, I'm too lazy to read the thread. I like to form my reads as I go.

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So he is still technically not confirmed.

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Reading is :effort: and I'm tired right now (2AM here).

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I'm always extremely lazy, and I get bored really easily (it's a symptom of my ADHD).
I can't even read more than a sentence in a book without getting bored.

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You know I don't read the thread as town unless it's less than 10 pages. My reads are still pretty good regardless.

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Well, how can I convince you?
I have found nothing to show my towniness on that I haven't already commented on. Everything else is just calling me scum without taking note of what I've said.

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I always love the be the super duper obv town regardless of alignment. You're trying to falsify a case on me and I don't like it.

Everything you are accusing me personally of, are things you should know I do as town. The only evidence you have on me is that my predecessors are scummy and I can't change that.

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Actually no, as scum I love to lay low and only address things dirceted towards me.

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Then why don't you actually go through the effort of reading through my meta to check whether or not I'm telling the truth?

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How about you go through my meta and I read the thread?
Is it a deal?

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Translation:"You're scum, so I won't do what you say."
In other words, be more lenient because I am town. You just don't know it yet.
Take the deal, I don't care if you have to wait for me to finish reading through, though I won't start unless you say you will take the deal and even then I won't start tomorrow as it's too distracting right now and I need to sleep soon.

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I'm currently thinking BK is scum because I know he knows that the things he has accused me of are things I do as town, but I'll have to read pages 9-10 like you said before I can make that judgement.

No strong read on anyone else except the true confirmed people. Mainly because nobody else has posted other than you guys.

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Oh :P
I guess he is kinda confirmed.

Everyone else needs to post. I can't get a read on them otherwise (unless BK agrees to read my meta).

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Any other thoughts?

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I'm actually thinking a SV lynch is the best way to go. SV has done literally nothing within the time I've been here except hop on a policy lynch. I think he's trying to take the easy way out.
VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint
If you guys don't lynch me I'll have time to read up during the night.

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Because from what I've seen while they were active (well, not in Kass' case, but he's getting replaced) is enough to give me a basic grasp on what I think their alignment is. From what I've seen, I think LC has done a lot more compared to SV.

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Kass doesn't normally do anything, so I don't bother with him.
LC, I'm pretty sure did stuff.
My main problem with SV though, is that instead of scumhunting he just chose to push a policy lynch.

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I still really don't like how BK is knowingly voting me against my town meta.

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HAHA
PERFECT
NOW I HAVE PROOF OF MY NOT READING GAMES AS TOWN META.
MINI NORMAL 1332
REPLACED IN NIGHT 2
READ NOTHING BUT DAY 3 AND DAY 4 (was only alive those two days)
CAUGHT SCUM WITHIN THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF DAY 3
GOT NK'ED NIGHT 4
MY MAIN SUSPECT FLIPPED SCUM AFTER NK'ING BK WHO WAS A PGO ON NIGHT 5
viewtopic.php?p=4046849#p4046849
PROOF BITCHES
I TOLD YOU BK WAS KNOWINGLY VOTING ME AGAINST MY TOWN META

Ftr, the above was supposed to be posted yesterday but I accidentally another game.

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I still really don't like how BK is knowingly voting me against my town meta.

Your town meta?

Your "Town Meta" is as follow:
1) Aggresiveness and thirst for blood.

When I am super confident in my reads.

2) Frequent Yelling

When I am pissed off at people or confident in my reads.

3) High Activity

I don't see a problem with that this game.

4) Gut all the way.

I use logic when trying to convince people.

Hmm, don't see much of the first three. I left some out because those may apple, but so could some of your "Scum Meta". Regardless, incisting you are town by giving your own self-meta is not valid and people will not take your word for it.

Funny thing is, I never lie about my self meta, yet people don't take my word for it and so they can never catch me as scum based on what I claim to be my meta. I do actually lurk more as scum, and I only really respond to things directed at me as scum. But as town I like to be super active and I like to be completely on top of the game (unless I replaced in).

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Also, coincidental maybe that the post after i mention that your town meta is yelling, you start to yell?

Had I posted in the right game, that would have come at least an hour before your post about my meta.

Something to note OmNom, i doubt BK is voting for you because of your Town Meta, i believe that the bigger picture here is how scummy Psyche and Kondi played, not how you play OmNom.

He is only voting off their actions and is not taking my actions into consideration. That is not pro-town.

Also, pushing your self meta down our throat and insisting it as your only form of defense is not valid and i think it is not very townie.

Then attack me based on posts

I've

made. I have nothing to defend against that isn't "Kondi/Psyche was scum, therefore you are." Go find the problems in my posts if you really think I'm scum. Disregard everything that Psyche and Kondi did, and just read my posts as only me. After you have done that, you can take Psyche/Kondi into consideration if you want.

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No, only you don't look for my content there and instead you'd rather vote me for no apparent reason. Yeah, nice scumhunting there.

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SV clearly just tried to jump on my wagon because it's the most viable wagon there is. This is clear scum behaviour.

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Then fucking explain why instead of just jumpping on my wagon like it's nobody's

Special

business.

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Oman was super obv town and that's the only reason that I can think of for scum killing him without going into too much WIFOM.

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@Mod: Can we have a deadline extension until LC posts and Kassadin gets replaced?

I'm leaning yes, atm. Haven't decided how long, considering I'm dealing with my great-grandmother's death.. ~Fei

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Sorry to hear that CSL. My condolences.

I'm still not seeing a case based on my own actions, BK. Attacking me with something I cannot defend against is not pro-town.

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You are basically my main scum suspect, and you are technically not really confirmed. But it's because of what happened with the fake-hammer that I'm not voting you right now. Today, I am going for SV. I have found the scum, I don't know what else to do other than defend my lynch.

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Don't use my super scummy predecessors as an excuse to vote me either. Go through my posts and quote everything suspicious, intead of just giving attacks without evidence.

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I was thinking BK scum before I found out about the hammer gambit.
BK's reaction to the hammer gambit made me think he was town.
BK's actions afterwards are still really suspicious. Don't forget that some scum like to fake being town after death, so he still isn't technically confirmed.

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If I get deadline lynched there will be hell to pay in post-game

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Summary is people are lynching me only for my replacements instead of looking at what I have posted and I'm really pissed off about that.
Also SV and BK are scum, though people seem to think BK is confirmed town.

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Yes you are.

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SV and BK are the two scums. I'm sure of it.

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Is he bribing you with sex again?

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You know I'm 13 right?

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I need an adult! I NEED AN ADULT!

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Do you guys actually have a reason to vote LC other than just a VCA? I still think he's town, so I'd like to know what you guys are seeing in LC.

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It's gut.

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VOTE: ShatteredViewpoint
Continuing where I left off yesteday.

Not surprised by the DCL kill at all.

I still have yet to see a case based on my posts.



Also I forgot to read the game, but I really don't need to anymore as I'm pretty confident in my reads.

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I am pretty confident in one of BK/SV as scum (more confident in SV right now). I am also confident in Gunny-town.

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Also notice Om didn't vote for LC. Just saiyan.

This is stupid. You're really reaching here aren't you? I stated numerous times that I had LC as a town read, so why the fuck would I have voted him?

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:P
At least I managed to survive another day.
GG.

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Yes, I'm scum.
/inb4ifliptown

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My lynch was seriously bullshit though. Nobody was even bothering to make a case on me, so my lynch was inevitable because I couldn't defend against it.

You guys basically only got me lynched because Psyche and kondi were scummy.

PEDIT: When I got the link, there were no messages in it :V

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Oh well, at least Psyche sent me a PM complimenting my awesome skills at avoiding the lynch yesterday ^v^

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My aim on Day 2 was basically just to AtE the hell out of everyone and appear to play to my town meta.
Surprisingly it worked.

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Even just based on what you just said, had you guys read me for me, I probably wouldn't have been lynched.

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The main reason I replaced into this game was because the mod totally softclaimed that it was a scum slot.
Had I known the circumstances, I might not have replaced in...

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This happened in FB chat:

CSL: Gaiz, I need a replacement for my game.
Otherpeople: No thanks.
CSL: Are you sure? The game won't take too long now, it's D2 with only town deaths.