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I don't think his vote was during RVS. and I've never seen someone put to L-2 in RVS.In post 71, LordChronos wrote:The lack of activity in this game makes me angry.
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UNVOTE:
Gotta agree with DCL there. Going to vote Absta, unless he changes my mind in his next post.
This might not be important but, it's interesting he is asking for extra incentive. IMO scum usually are the ones who need extra incentive, since they already know who's scum and who's town.In post 73, absta101 wrote:Sorry will try to post asap.
Someone give me some extra incentive and ask me questions that you need answered.
P-Edit: I don't see how Bandwagon to victory makes sense, but I guess most of you have played more games than me.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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This guy isn't paying attention, he already had his vote on Psyche from when he put Pysche at L-2 with tounge-in- cheek reasoning. Then he votes just now him (again, he never unvoted or anything) saying we need to move the game along. Doesn't sound like he thinks he is scum, and gave himself a backdoor when pysche flips town, if SV is scum.
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Venmar is trying too hard to sound like he doesn't know the alignments.In post 93, Venmar wrote:While i do think the flip would be nice, the hammer seemed to be out of the blue by SV.
Either way, i am interested in what Psyche is going to flip.
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It's hardly a jump b/c SV was already scummy and I only unvoted him b/c absta was looking worse. However I didn't realize SV put the unvote in before his vote, so that matched with my 'disinterested scum' read on him with his half-kidding easy backdoor(well if x player thinks so, he must be scum) L-2 vote.
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I know unvotes arn't required by most mods. The unvote is important b/c it shows you were aware of your previous vote on Psyche. (since he asked for unvotes).
Alright this unvote slightly hurts my ego b/c I thought I was right, but UNVOTE:
I feel stupid, but I clear up my slightly scummy read on SV, which is now probably town.
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I'm not fence-sitting. I made clear I was going to vote Absta, if I voted absta then he would have been at L-1, and I wanted him to defend himself before we considered hammering him. His defense is not there, and only attacks me since I'm already under the spotlight.In post 83, BK201 wrote:UNVOTE:
Gotta agree with DCL there. Going to vote Absta, unless he changes my mind in his next post.
This might not be important but, it's interesting he is asking for extra incentive. IMO scum usually are the ones who need extra incentive, since they already know who's scum and who's town.In post 73, absta101 wrote:Sorry will try to post asap.
Someone give me some extra incentive and ask me questions that you need answered.
P-Edit: I don't see how Bandwagon to victory makes sense, but I guess most of you have played more games than me.
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I think I already said I read too fast. I didn't even look at Oman's post, and the my first look at SV's post I didn't even see his unvote. I've already explained that part. I got a little excited b/c I thought I caught a huge slip up by SV, I should have just read everything alright.In post 117, LordChronos wrote:Also, @BK
Why jump all over SV for his unvote/revote but not Oman, who did the same thing?And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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Look I can't remember every little detail. I just know that DCL was also going to vote him, so if he was only at L-2 with my vote, I must have been counting DCL's.
Either way I don't see how that is fence-sitting if I made it clear I was going to vote for him.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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I've played with Venmar (aka BoneSentry off-site) a lot. He tunnels and parrots when he is scum or third-party, so he is probably town this game.
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I believe this is the post where Venmar came off a little scummy. I wanted to bring it up, but that's the only reason I had for venmar scum.In post 102, BK201 wrote:
Venmar is trying too hard to sound like he doesn't know the alignments.In post 93, Venmar wrote:While i do think the flip would be nice, the hammer seemed to be out of the blue by SV.
Either way, i am interested in what Psyche is going to flip.
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In post 75, DCLXVI wrote:
In post 42, absta101 wrote:@DCL
Don't you find the waggon on Psyche scummy?
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I didn't realise Psyche was at L-2 before I voted him. I was deliberately playing recklessly so that we could get out of RVS early. It's doesn't seem to be working so i'll just play normally from now and let you all get out of this stage at your own pace.
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Don't like this one bit. I'm thinking absta psyche as scumteam kinda works.
Absta comes in to bus his buddy, the freaks out and overreacts when he realizes his buddy just got put at L-1.
Here it is, I knew I saw it was at L-2. So with my vote AbstaIn post 76, DCLXVI wrote:Unless I'm wrong I believe absta is at L-2
consider me willing to join the wagon...what do you have to say for yourself absta?wouldhave been at L-1. This wagon on me is all kinds of opportunistic.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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He only took his vote off of you b/c he said he wanted a response from you first. you took forever to post again, and it kinda died out. my stupid playing only helped take the spotlight off of yourself, and you are definitely being opportunistic scum, rather than town actually scumhunting.In post 124, absta101 wrote:In post 121, BK201 wrote:Look I can't remember every little detail. I just know that DCL was also going to vote him, so if he was only at L-2 with my vote, I must have been counting DCL's.
Either way I don't see how that is fence-sitting if I made it clear I was going to vote for him.
It was clear DCL wasn't going to vote me.
You and DCL both threatened to vote me. I posted my response in post #85. DCL posted 6 times between my response and your "well, back to absta" post (post #109). If DCL wanted to vote me, he would have.
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In post 133, BK201 wrote: Here it is, I knew I saw it was at L-2. So with my vote Abstawouldhave been at L-1. This wagon on me is all kinds of opportunistic.
IIRC Absta did not post or respond since DCL and I threatened him. I was still waiting for Absta. the SV thing had nothing to do with Absta.In post 135, LordChronos wrote:Except that's not what I was referring to. Yes, your vote would have put him at L-1 then. However, later, after your unvote of SV, you chose to still not vote absta even though he wouldn't have been at L-1 with your vote. That's what I am referring to.
In post 134, BK201 wrote: He only took his vote off of you b/c he said he wanted a response from you first. you took forever to post again, and it kinda died out. my stupid playing only helped take the spotlight off of yourself, and you are definitely being opportunistic scum, rather than town actually scumhunting.
1. so? He said he would, as did I. 2. I've never played with Absta, so you assumed I did and/or know how he plays.In post 135, LordChronos wrote:Grasping at more straws here. DCL has never voted absta. Also, this is how absta plays as town. He's very paranoid and bandwagon jumpy. Course, absta was more active in my last game with him, where he was town.
Psyche is posting reasonably regularly but not posting much content, mostly parroting other people. (me, absta) + Scumpoints.[/quote][/quote][/quote]And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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Hey everyone. Look at the people who have me at L-1.In post 148, Feirei wrote:~The "L-1" vote count~
Psyche - [*----] - DCLXVI
absta101 - [**---] - Venmar, BK201
DCLXVI - [*----] - Psyche
BK201 - [****-] - Kassadin, Shattered Viewpoint, Chronos, absta101
Not Voting - Oman
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch
If the countdown would have expired now, then by Rule 2, BK201 would be killed.BK201 is at L-1.
Kassadin has 3 posts. The most helpful post is "u dead?".
SV seems townie for the supposed fake-hammer gambit, but besides that I've seen nothing from him so I'm not sure about my town read on him.
Chronos is ok, had a town vibe on him for a while.
absta is supposedly playing into his (town?) meta? I've never played with him, and don't really care about that until have had a game with him.
Everyone will post their detailed read on me if I am to be lynched. If you don't make it public where you stand now, when I flip you'll realize how anti-town you were. By not posting your detailed read on me, you are encouraging others to do the same. If you're going to lynch me at least make everyone detail where they stood.
and you should still vote absta or even SV, fuck that fakehammer gambit. He hasn't been playing pro-town.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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In post 166, LordChronos wrote:@BK
In my eyes your scumminess is largely due to:
1) rapid switch of opinion re: SV and fakehammer gambit
2) flailing for ways to make absta look worse and you better (claiming DCL had unvoted absta because of waiting for a response which he didn't get, claiming absta didn't post after your threat when he posted 2 posts later
3) your position of "absta is scummy, if my vote wasn't L-1 I would vote him" contrasted with your lack of absta vote even though it wouldn't have been L-1 after you got off SV until I called you out on it
I do agree that Kassadin is being useless and SV hasn't done much of anything outside of the fakehammer. Overall absta is probably second scummiest for his earlier cognitive dissonance.
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Prod Kassadin please.
1. This is null at best, meaningless at worst.
2. I didn't go back to check, I just remembered he did nothing to convince DCL or myself that he wasn't scum since the threat.
3. God forbid I not count every vote before I post. I mean were page 7 with like 2 vote counts.
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Big difference between;In post 186, Oman wrote:In post 185, BK201 wrote:3. God forbid I not count every vote before I post. I mean were page 7 with like 2 vote counts.
Didn't you call SV out for not being attentive with his own vote?
Mad hypocrisy, bro.
forgetting you voted for a certain person, and then voting for them again even though your vote was already there.
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not counting ONE vote. it's not like just b/c someone unvoted absta, and I unvoted SV, that I should immediately vote absta.
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he doesn't seem to be paying attention to the game when he actually posts. for me at least playing as scum is boring b/c it's like the mystery has been spoiled, so I could see other people like that and thus not paying the best attention.
also just b/c he supposedly fake-hammered doesn't mean that's town, b/c as scum, I'm sure his partners would pay extra attention to what their partners post, meaning he would be well aware of the gambit and react accordingly.
Seems like "oh I better finally do something. fake hammer." I prefer an absta lynch obviously.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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actually I'd give DCL town points b/c as scum you want Kassadin around b/c 1. if he is maf you want your bud 2. if he is town you want to keep him around for endgame. no real reason to bring up PLing kassadin at this point as scum, not when I'm at L-1.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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I see where you're coming from, but I'm also disheartened some b/c people arn't listening. I wanted to sound intimidating though. Frustrating.In post 213, Oman wrote:In post 209, BK201 wrote:People need to start posting their damn reads on me. on Absta too.
You brand of directing discussion was (I thought) protown, but it's starting to look more and more forced.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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What's your read on Absta and SV?
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Well good to be back in the game. (technically never left I guess) Luckily the thread is only 10 pages so I re-read it and came back with new insight.
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Kass (I think Kass is easy to read based on his meta as scum. I won't go into detail b/c then he would purposefully not act the way I describe.)
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as scum he would at least try to look like he isn't super trolling. he's just a waste of a player slot at the moment, but he's a town player slot.
"Absta is a town read. His talk about thinking calling scumteams out early is consistent, and he doesn't use it as a reason to call people scum, so it must be an actual belief. And there would be no reason to give that belief as scum without capitalizing on it." - Kondi
^ Your read on Absta is calling him town based on one thing. However you leave out that the scumteams including him in it. This looks like Kondi searched for an excuse to call Absta town.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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So out of the other remaining 6 players, there are 2 scum. I don't have time to give this thread the attention it deserves until tomorrow, however I like 2. and 3.
If we lynch the wrong person and end up in LyLo tomorrow, I honestly don't see us winning this. Too many nulls, not enough town reads.
So I strongly suggest both the Tracker and Watcher claim PR. It lowers the suspects by 2 and makes finding the scum team that much easier. This is the last day we can do this, as we know doing it in LyLo isn't reliable.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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I said 6 other players, no matter who you are it is true there are 6 other players left. I know I'm town so I'm obviously not putting myself down as a possible suspect.
Anyways, the Tracker and Watcher should claim PR today, for reasons stated above.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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Good, I believe you guys. (I doubt you'll be counter-claimed)
So out of these 4 players, 2 of them are scum.
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LC - Scummy, I don't exactly remember why but I'll re-read. I think how his logic on DCL's proposal for the PR's to claim PR felt totally wrong is part of the reason.
Kassadin - I'd like to say town b/c as scum I think he tries a little bit. Either way this should be the last resort b/c there is really no connection between him and anyone else.
SV - has given us nothing besides that supposed fakehammer gambit.
kondi/psyche's slot - First thing I want to know is, would Kondi replace out as scum? Concerned about his scum record maybe? Heat was on him right away and he didn't appear to be reading the 10 pages? Need to re-read.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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After looking it over (thankfully only 15 page game), LC is a slight town read. post #350 is a bit worrying though.
SV is probably town for the fake-hammer gambit that probably would have worked if I hadn't posted. Though it's not a strong read b/c that is literally all he has done.
I've decided against Kass as town. Though his slot is unreadable, it doesn't make him immune to PoE or associative tells by his partner assuming he is scum.
Psyche/Kondi's slot is scum, and if I'm right then so is Kassadin. I'll explain in my next post.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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First paragraph is him establishing that he thought I was town, while I'm at L-1.In post 197, Psyche wrote:
BK — he's been much more consistent than he's been getting credit for. Since he's at L-1, I need to be more decisive about this chronically uncertain guy. I think he's Town.
Pretty good! It's likely that BK is dying today, but I'll have no part in it. I am excited to see his flip, though, so my read on Chronos will become even more solid. Instead,vote Chronos. If I think BK is town, then I, by effect, think Chronos is my biggest scumread.
Second paragraph is him encouraging my lynch by saying I will probably die today. Then he says he will have no part in it, to keep his hands clean and appear like he was the good townie. He makes sure to again encourage my lynch by stating he is excited to see my flip. Comes up with a crappy reason to vote chronos.
Kondi replaces Psyche. Votes Kass very soon after. I know for a fact Kondi would buss Kass into next week if paired with him. This is exactly what happened here. Performs shoddy defense of Absta who was at L-1 I believe. More of that "I was the good townie" that Psyche used in regards to my near-lynch.
We don't even need to wait for a replacement. VOTE: Kondi
Though it sucks SV who is probably town has contributed almost as much as Kass. Anyways if Psyche/Kondi is scum, Kass is very likely scum as well.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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Forgot about this one. This was posted after we had all established it was a fake-hammer. I mean he really had to skip a lot of posts to genuinely make this post.In post 110, Psyche wrote:Did I just die? Because if so, that's really f'ed up.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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It's true we need to be sure that 1 of the 4 is town so we can safely lynch the other 3, since there are 2 scum and we have 1 miss-lynch, but psyche/kondi's slot is horrendously scummy. For me it's lynch OmNoms, when he flips scum lynch Kass (probably), and if Kass flips town,In post 404, DCLXVI wrote:guys hold off on the omnom lynch for now. we should take this slower.
Bk is right, if we can narrow the scum pool to 3 ppl we win for sure.thenwe have to make the choice between SV and LC.And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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oh and actually out of the 4, I'd say LC is the most likely to be town. Last night I cross-examined psyche/kondi's and LC's ISO. A scumflip on that slot basically confirms LC as town.
Not your fault that Kass hardcore-troll/lurks. (note: I did see him browsing the forum last night.)And the bells will ring when the blind lead the blind, Cause the dead can't testify - Billy Talent-
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