Open 408 - Player Flavor - GAME OVER - NOOB MOD - ALL WIN

[Arugula]

VOTE: kondi2424
because I doubt there were kondi's 1-2423

[Arugula]

It's not a newbie, Rach.

[Arugula]

Got a little nervous on behalf of your scumbuddy there, Rach?

It's not a newbie, Rach.

Your failure to account for your whereabouts is noted.

Also, I believe it's 8 players.

What?

[Arugula]

Im sorry for not posting much, I still have no definite reads on anyone, I dont get the reasonings behind peoples votes but it is game start so there isnt much anyways.

Same. I've kind of been lurking, but there really isn't much I want to comment on yet. This game has been a series of short posts without much substance and a whirlwind of votes.

[Arugula]

Yeah...and? There honestly hasn't been much to comment on.

[Arugula]

Trollie hadn't given me much to go on so far. At this stage its kind of a pressure vote.
About the self-declared lurkers: I don't like that they will not say anything until someone else does. That means they won't give to us something to talk about themselves.
But meh, its not a strong scum-read. A wrinkle in my forehead.

Arugula. Are you korean?

No. I'm Polish and Irish.

[Arugula]

What's with Pororo, then -_-
Thought that was Korean kids' show.
Did you just use that as your avatar cuz it looks cute?

No, I just search avatars that are 100x100 and I liked it. I had no idea, but I changed it.

Alright, sorry I've been lurking. It's not what I usually do.

Despite what everyone else thinks, I'm thinking Rach is scummy and she's buddying or partners with LS.

She started off in RVS voting for him (it is not uncommon for scum to vote for their partners in RVS), and then defends him and FoS's the person who put any kind of pressure on him:

Umm Gunny? LS asked a question and you respond by voting him with no case or explanation?

Fos at Gunny

She reacted more than LS did, who simply said:

Interesting.

Anyway, your vote didn't seem like a pressure vote. That's all unless you'd like to say otherwise.

Moreover, Gunny did provide a slight explanation and even asked LS a question (albeit, it could be rhetorical):

UNVOTE:
VOTE: LastSurvivor
Seems to me that you

wish

my reasons were something bigger and more concrete. Any reasons for that?

Compared to all of the mindless, random voting in this game, it stuck out to me that Rach reacted like this.

[Arugula]

Arugula

: No response to Uber putting you in the scum category?

No, he was just doing that to get me to post.

And I want to hear Rach's explanation before I place a vote.

[Arugula]

Explanation for what? I seem to have missed something? Was setting up my first ever modding game.

Why you reacted with a FoS on gunny's vote for LS. He gave some reasoning and asked LS a question. Compared to the other votes with no reasons, it seemed odd that you only found that one scummy.

[Arugula]

VOTE: RachMarie

She ignored my question again and she's saying a bunch of useless crap like "the only ones who know for sure who is town is scum" and "I am stumbling around sort of clueless trying to figure out town from scum". No, really? She also keeps saying that she's town, which makes her seem nervous.

And I don't like how she is buddying with Jal and she is saying he is very town. I disagree.

[Arugula]

VOTE: RachMarie

She ignored my question again and she's saying a bunch of useless crap like "the only ones who know for sure who is town is scum" and "I am stumbling around sort of clueless trying to figure out town from scum". No, really? She also keeps saying that she's town, which makes her seem nervous.

And I don't like how she is buddying with Jal and she is saying he is very town. I disagree.

What was your question? I would be happy to answer it.

Why did you react so rashly to gunny's vote on LS, when he provided slight reasoning and asked a question compared to other votes that had no reasoning like these:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Guy Named Riggs

for what I pointed out earlier. If Uber's suspicious, then why not vote Uber?

VOTE: Kondi. Are you planning on joking your way through the game?

Oops forgot to bold.

Unvote; Vote: Phillammon

VOTE: Phillammon
I honestly can't believe Phillammon believed Rach's wrong vote count in this game.
Was it Oscar Wilde who said: "To lose one parent may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness."
In this case, Rach's initial wrong vote thinking can be seen as a pure accident, while Phillammon's following of that looks like being over-the-top.

That made...no...sense? -_-
UNVOTE: UNVOTE:

Still reading more.

So you are saying you won't bother reading the game mechanics but would rather depend on other players to tell you what's happening?
VOTE: Trollie
Not again...

Jal, does that answer your question?

[Arugula]

Wow kondi that is a great point.
UNVOTE: RachMarie

[Arugula]

Yeah. But it's true. Having more than one partner would have made Rach realize that it is not a newbie.

[Arugula]

VOTE: LastSurvivor

Vijay is more apt to play the part of the stubborn townie, and Gunny hasn't particularly seemed all too scummy to me.

Although, Vijay's reasoning sucks and looks like a vote for someone he disagrees with. I actually thought LS was sounding more townie with that Occam's Razor discussion, because he actually started to expand on something beyond a short sentence followed by a question.

If

any

of Lastsurvivor's posts seem artificial, its his initial suspicion of Phill. He had trouble buying into Phill's reasoning because,

Like...he just really wanted to be off that wagon.

Which feels like a manufactored excuse to stop Rach from further questioning his suspicion. Gunny's vote for Phill seems more derp-de-derp than anything (look at those Oscar Wilde quote substitutions). With my up-and-coming scum read Arugula sliding slightly towards null after retracting his Rach vote, this seems like the next best scum to go for.

Did I do something to you? Why do you always have something against me?

And I don't see LS' scumminess nor do I like how fast this wagon is coming together.

[Arugula]

Why do you always have something against me?

I don't. Why do you think so?

You are always saying that I'm scummy and whatnot.

Whatever.

[Arugula]

EBWOP:

Why do you always have something against me?

I don't. Why do you think so?

You are always saying that I'm scummy and whatnot.

Whatever.

You got something against him other than this whining, say so.
VOTE: Argula
I'm NOT feeling scum from LastSurvivor's replies.

I wasn't saying he was scummy.

[Arugula]

I've been reading and so far I only have town reads:

Rach - for the town slip kondi found
kondi - for genuinely scumhunting and finding Rach's township
drmyshotgun - for his reaction to his edited post. I understand how people think it wasn't genuine, but I think it was.

[Arugula]

Dicky/argula/Gunny aren't being particularly helpful. One of which (at this point) I'm almost sure is scum. @ Dicky/Argula/Gunny: can you guess which one of it is?

I know I'm town and I think gunny is town so that leaves Dicknose, but narrowing it down to those three does not make sense. Lucky hasn't been contributing either, yet you didn't include him. And with lucky's pressure vote on Metabot, that could be a possible scumteam.

1. If you had a scum partner, who would you want it to be?

2. Do you have a gut feeling of someone being scum? If so who?

3. If you were scum who would you kill tonight.

1. Jal
2. Metabot
3. Jal

VOTE: Metabot for pointless grouping and the lack of inclusion of luckyjt. His flip could reveal a good amount.

[Arugula]

What the fuck is going onnnnnnnnn. *sigh* too much rum and too little coke make for a very imperceptive person. (Is that even a word?)

It's not that hard.

I just haven't found something to comment on. I'm really sorry for being inactive, this game is just hard for me to get reads on people.

[Arugula]

What the fuck is going onnnnnnnnn. *sigh* too much rum and too little coke make for a very imperceptive person. (Is that even a word?)

It's not that hard.

I just haven't found something to comment on. I'm really sorry for being inactive, this game is just hard for me to get reads on people.

Then explain to me if it's so easy.

What don't you understand?

[Arugula]

In simple terms, I don't know what kondi saw and thought was stupid. Other people saw it too.

Ohhhhh. I don't get that either. Sorry lol

[Arugula]

oh...i saw that i thought u were talking about something else for some reason. That really seems like a scumslip but I cant imagine dicknose would be that careless in posting.

That is what a slip is.

But it wasn't a slip. If that makes sense.

[Arugula]

Lucky, based on the last newbie game we played together, in which you were town and I was scum, both of us were very active. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=21718 (for anyone who wants to read, I replaced in halfway through D1)
You were even so passionate that you self-hammered.

Your play this game is much different and reserved. Withholding reasons is scummy, and if you need a flip to determine your case, it isn't a good one.

Based on meta and your lack of explanation:
UNVOTE: Metabot
VOTE: Luckyjt

[Arugula]

UNVOTE:
I think Vijay is getting overkilled atm. Got to wait how this progresses on.
Not feeling it anymore.

I think Vijay as scum would try harder on these things. Yep, Vijay is pinging on Towndar.
Who wants to ping my pong in scumdar?

Why are you all of a sudden in Vijay's corner? He's been getting "overkilled" this whole time, yet you only mention it now?

And the second point is null. He could just be bad scum or he doesn't care.

[Arugula]

VOTE: drmyshotgun

He's accusing anyone who rides him as scum and randomly defended Vijay.

[Arugula]

Arugula is actually one of the worst players I've seen.

Thanks.

And since when does bad mean scum?

[Arugula]

Look more carefully at her supposed lurking. It looks to me like she's prioritising, given all her posts have been brief postgame posts, or part of the newbie games she appears to be ICing and the game she's modding.

Why so defensive of her and her actions? Rach can answer for herself when she can.

[Arugula]

Arugula is actually one of the worst players I've seen.

Thanks.

And since when does bad mean scum?

Well, not only are you bad, but you are following the trend. That's scummy.
Yeah, I think Rach's up to some strange stuff with that 15 minute gap "I'm here, but not really!" schtick.

You were doing the same thing until you randomly sided with Vijay.

[Arugula]

Yes I do. Did you read my post? I am voting for you for siding with Vijay after a weak post when you have been pushing his lynch up until that point. It seems like a bus that got out of hand.

And I'm not voting you for "following the trend", so your first point is wrong.

[Arugula]

Drmyshotgun, your reaction to this further solidifies my vote.

[Arugula]

/picked up prod

What I don't understand is why shotgun has the largest wagon, and yet he's openly claimed VT (not accurate of alinment I know) and has admitted he doesn't care if he is lynched.
Shotgun is one of my strongest town reads. I'm not joining this wagon. I feel like there are some scum on the wagon hoping for the easy mislynch.

Why does a VT claim make you think he is town?

He does care if he is lynched; he is responding and calling people who want him lynched scum.

[Arugula]

Drmyshotgun, your reaction to this further solidifies my vote.

Okay this guy is definite scum fuck.
VOTE: Arugula

lol

Because your desperate attempts to stay alive when you are saying "I don't care if I'm lynched" even when you say you are a VT aren't scummy at all, right?

[Arugula]

Have I done Scummy things?

Are you kidding me right now? Reread the thread.

[Arugula]

You are a bad player if you have to result to that language to get a point across.

[Arugula]

Hey boys can we do a lil of both? Tone down the language a tad AND focus on making cases? Remember it is a game and meant to be fun

I've posted my case several times and he says I'm following the bandwagon, and I'm not.

[Arugula]

VOTE: drmyshotgun

He's accusing anyone who rides him as scum and randomly defended Vijay.

Arugula is actually one of the worst players I've seen.

Thanks.

And since when does bad mean scum?

Well, not only are you bad, but you are following the trend. That's scummy.
Yeah, I think Rach's up to some strange stuff with that 15 minute gap "I'm here, but not really!" schtick.

You were doing the same thing until you randomly sided with Vijay.

Yes I do. Did you read my post? I am voting for you for siding with Vijay after a weak post when you have been pushing his lynch up until that point. It seems like a bus that got out of hand.

And I'm not voting you for "following the trend", so your first point is wrong.

Drmyshotgun, your reaction to this further solidifies my vote.

Okay this guy is definite scum fuck.
VOTE: Arugula

lol

Because your desperate attempts to stay alive when you are saying "I don't care if I'm lynched" even when you say you are a VT aren't scummy at all, right?

[Arugula]

Pfffft what?

[Arugula]

Well, lynching you will remove a player that clogs up the thread with swear words and insults, both of which don't help the town.

[Arugula]

No, hence why my vote wasn't on you. You are asking me for cases, I'm giving you some, and then you are asking for more before I even voted you. Obviously, if I thought you were scum before that, I would have said so and voted you.

[Arugula]

However, dr, I will ISO you and see what I come up with.

[Arugula]

However, dr, I will ISO you and see what I come up with.

So you haven't done this until now?

No, I haven't.

[Arugula]

You are still scummy regardless if I didn't go through your ISO or not.

[Arugula]

*did go through your ISO or not

[Arugula]

You were gunning for Vijay and then all of a sudden defended him. That is scummy regardless of his alignment. It is either a bus gone bad or you trying to earn townie points.

[Arugula]

You change your vote a lot. Calling someone out for following the trend is hypocritical.

VOTE: Phillammon
I honestly can't believe Phillammon believed Rach's wrong vote count in this game.
Was it Oscar Wilde who said: "To lose one parent may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness."
In this case, Rach's initial wrong vote thinking can be seen as a pure accident, while Phillammon's following of that looks like being over-the-top.

That made...no...sense? -_-
UNVOTE: UNVOTE:

Still reading more.

i buy phil's story. Not saying hes obvtown but I would have taken my vote off right away as well if someone warned me we were at L-1. with the rate of posting it was possible that someone hammered before the count.

So you are saying you won't bother reading the game mechanics but would rather depend on other players to tell you what's happening?
VOTE: Trollie
Not again...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: LastSurvivor
Seems to me that you

wish

my reasons were something bigger and more concrete. Any reasons for that?

EBWOP:

Why do you always have something against me?

I don't. Why do you think so?

You are always saying that I'm scummy and whatnot.

Whatever.

You got something against him other than this whining, say so.
VOTE: Argula
I'm NOT feeling scum from LastSurvivor's replies.

Shit... Didn't think I was at that point...

Has been 3 days plus. Really?

I've been reading though.

Yep, but not speaking huh (parroting dicknose here).

I don't think shotgun needs to be modkilled for that, he said he had done it right away, and what was edited. At the very least, he should get a warning, but not death (maybe a lynch, but not now).

You say I don't need to get modkilled but lynched, but then again not really? What are you actually trying to say here?

VOTE: Guy_Named_Riggs

vote: thetrollie

About the inactivity/ I dont like day 1 so I dont post much. I do however make reads and have opinions on people.

I like this vote.
VOTE: Trollie

Notice all the lurkers coming back at once? Curious phenomena.

Okay.
VOTE: Metabot
O Brother, where art thou?

VOTE: LastSurvivor
Cuz I always help out Vijay with pressure votes.

Slight buddying with Vijay

You... think me and shotgun are scum together?

He said just the opposite. Why do you read all the recent posts about yourself and not continue reading past stuff?

Making good points and being scum aren't mutually exclusive. I'm trying to decide whether you're town or not. If yes, then shotgun is scum, if not vice versa.

This is quite a clear post of Vijay making a point. He is saying if Uber is Town, I'm Mafia. If Uber is Scum, I'm Town.
Well, lol.
VOTE: UberNinja

Uses Vijay's flawed logic to place a vote.

VOTE: Vijay

Lucky and Trollie may be lurking fools, but they seem town enough.
Jal too.
GNR is lurking again. I think he may be the actual scum.
VOTE: GNR

Drmyshotgun, your reaction to this further solidifies my vote.

Okay this guy is definite scum fuck.
VOTE: Arugula

His reads constantly change, as shown above.
His posts are really short, which is not scummy, just an observance. It could possibly be so he doesn't slip up.
Reading over it again, the whole edit thing seems fake. I agree with kondi about that.
Now he thinks I am scum with Vijay, when it makes more sense for Vijay to be scum with him.

To answer your questions,
I thought the Vijay wagon wasn't really that strong at that point.
Yes, I think you are scum.
I think Vijay is scum too.
If by the people calling you town you mean Vijay, then I think they are scum.

[Arugula]

No, I don't think Jal and GNR are scum.

[Arugula]

I will tomorrow. I'm too tired to make a long post tonight.

[Arugula]

Why is dicknose being replaced? Did he request a replacement?

Anyway, Drmyshotgun, who do you want me to post reads for?

[Arugula]

Philammon

(These are observations as I read his ISO)
- His unvote of gunny is still a little scummy and forced
- Says he wants a mislynch (so does Uber)
- Conscious about how he votes and unvotes in previous games (may be trying to be cautious as scum)
- Seems to bus Uber
- Reaction tests seem fake
- Uses Vijay as a reason to take his vote off of Uber
- Slightly defends LS
- Says he doesn't like kondi's reasoning
- Votes GNR randomly
- Uses kondi's reasoning to vote drmyshotgun
- Defending Rach
- Uses the flavor to defend his use of the word mislynch

I know this is incredibly hypocritical of me and you guys are going to pounce on me for this, but
UNVOTE: drmyshotgun

[Arugula]

I don't think its a lame case, but a Vijay lynch is good for me today.

VOTE: Vijay

[Arugula]

Then vote Vijay

[Arugula]

Why do you only pop in when there is a vote against you?

[Arugula]

I don't like how you are gauging your alignment based on Vijay's flip. You could very well be scum trying to get town-cred for supporting Vijay's lynch. Saying this with the possibility of Vijay being scum is also risky, and I don't think you would make that move without being sure.

So no, Vijay's flip will not determine your alignment.

[Arugula]

I'm guessing that is your hydra QT?

[Arugula]

This phase is going around in circles. I am sticking with Vijay

[Arugula]

Hmm. Association wise, the obvious answer is me, with Rach as a secondary, but I'm pretty convinced we're both town. ANyone drawing any different conclusions from an LS ISO?

You are "pretty convinced" you are town?

That along with Luckyjt's very strategical questions make me think Phil is scum.

VOTE: Philammon

Jal, Vijay, and Luckyjt are town.

[Arugula]

I still think Phil is scum, but what about Rach's "townslip" at the beginning of the game? Did that just go out the window?

But she is right, LS always buddies with her. I was in another game with the two of them and he buddied her. That doesn't exempt Rach from being scum, but it shouldn't incriminate her either.

I'm down with a Phil or Jal lynch, preferably Phil.

[Arugula]

I might have been confused between games, I don't know. I'm down with your lynch though.

[Arugula]

I know, with all those other games we share with Vijay and Lucky in them. I can understand how it may have been

very

confusing,

An attitude isn't going to help you.

Phil is putting down his own reads already by saying that he is cherry picking. I'm pretty positive he is scum at this point.

RachMarie, UberNinja and Jal are the obvious suspects just through association, but I have a townread on at least one of them, so I'll look back over things in the mean time.

Which one?

The Phil wagon is retarded, and there is at least one scum on it.

Let's see who's scum out of the possible options:

Lucky: His reaction question thing was derpy, but was a small towntell. Prefer not to lynch him.

BK: Nothing wrong with this vote. Still a null slot, and hasn't mentioned anyone that could possibly be his partner in his reads.

Trollie: Also nothing wrong with this vote, but this would be more of a lurker lynch.

Betting on BK-Trollie right now. VOTE: BK

If I'm wrong about there being two scum in those three, shotgun is probably scum.

Why is it retarded and why did you leave me out of it?

[Arugula]

Arugula

: My attitude is not relevant in this. Lucky said he thought I was town, and suddenly for the first time in the game you say I'm town (or anything concrete about my alignment up to that point). You've been sort of fidgeting about it throughout the game, really. Phill votes for me and you come out of the woodwork to say you're down with either a Phill or Jal lynch. What?

Your response,

"I might have been confused between games, I don't know," Is ambiguous and a little bit too much on the defensive side for a simple question on your reads for my taste.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Arugula

Actually, scum tend to have an attitude when their point is wrong.

I genuinely was confused between games. You and lucky are both in Purified Mafia and...well I can't talk about ongoing games.

Your case is poor and is solely based on my opinion of your alignment. You haven't even commented on any other wagons.

The fact that you even pointed this out makes you look like cautious scum.

[Arugula]

@Jal
You both are in THE 90'S CARTOON MAFIA. EXCUSE ME.

Seriously, your case on me is based on confusion that I had. I'll straighten it out now.

I WANT YOU DEAD.

after Phil, of course.

[Arugula]

Jal, come out come out wherever you are.

[Arugula]

Arugula

:

@Jal
You both are in THE 90'S CARTOON MAFIA. EXCUSE ME.

Seriously, your case on me is based on confusion that I had. I'll straighten it out now.

I WANT YOU DEAD.

after Phil, of course.

Lucky is not in that game either This is the only game Lucky and I have together. The game you're thinking of is the one you, Lastsurvivor and I are in. That's the game that's been on your mind.

My original point was, and still is, do you think I'm scum? Or are you okay with killing a townie?

Oh, but Lucky IS in that game, my dear dear Jal.

And yes, I do think you are scum. I am not okay with killing a townie.

Uber is probably scum too.

[Arugula]

I was never out of it, as far as I was aware.

Still like arugula.

Why?

Because I think you are scum?

And I don't see Jal as town like the rest of you.

[Arugula]

RachMarie, UberNinja and Jal are the obvious suspects just through association, but I have a townread on at least one of them, so I'll look back over things in the mean time.

You said that these players are suspect through association.

Then you randomly added me with this post:

Anyway, your points against Arugula in #659 doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Is it really a bad thing that Arugula hasn't found anything scummy from before your posts? Also, who did Arugula get his points from if he's "recycling."

Also, like Arugula pointed out, he seems to magically appear whenever someone draws attention to him.

Like Arugula said, I dislike how he's suddenly in Vijay's "corner" so to speak after voting him.

I was just thinking through some of the players I missed, and look what I found in relation to LS and Arug. I'll admit I'm cherrypicking, but the others were trying to direct votes, and a single ask for clarification post.

which is just LS buddying me.

So why aren't you looking at Rach, Jal, and Uber?

And why am I a tad scummy?

And why isn't your vote on me?

[Arugula]

I know all three of you can't be scum. And calling THREE people scummy does not leave me blowing in the wind to every bandwagon. Nice misrep.

And that is not deflection. What am I deflecting in that post?

[Arugula]

I don't even know who my vote is on at this point, and I don't think the votecount was accurate.

VOTE: Phillammon

If I had a second vote: Jal

[Arugula]

I'd consider that I'm not Phil or Jal a townslip too.

[Arugula]

I'm pretty sure Jal is voting me.

[Arugula]

Sure.

Philammon

(These are observations as I read his ISO)
- His unvote of gunny is still a little scummy and forced
- Says he wants a mislynch (so does Uber)
- Conscious about how he votes and unvotes in previous games (may be trying to be cautious as scum)
- Seems to bus Uber
- Reaction tests seem fake
- Uses Vijay as a reason to take his vote off of Uber
- Slightly defends LS
- Says he doesn't like kondi's reasoning
- Votes GNR randomly
- Uses kondi's reasoning to vote drmyshotgun
- Defending Rach
- Uses the flavor to defend his use of the word mislynch

I know this is incredibly hypocritical of me and you guys are going to pounce on me for this, but
UNVOTE: drmyshotgun

Hmm. Association wise, the obvious answer is me, with Rach as a secondary, but I'm pretty convinced we're both town. ANyone drawing any different conclusions from an LS ISO?

You are "pretty convinced" you are town?

That along with Luckyjt's very strategical questions make me think Phil is scum.

VOTE: Philammon

Jal, Vijay, and Luckyjt are town.

I know, with all those other games we share with Vijay and Lucky in them. I can understand how it may have been

very

confusing,

An attitude isn't going to help you.

Phil is putting down his own reads already by saying that he is cherry picking. I'm pretty positive he is scum at this point.
He also doesn't mind being lynched, apparently.

RachMarie, UberNinja and Jal are the obvious suspects just through association, but I have a townread on at least one of them, so I'll look back over things in the mean time.

You said that these players are suspect through association.

Then you randomly added me with this post:

Anyway, your points against Arugula in #659 doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Is it really a bad thing that Arugula hasn't found anything scummy from before your posts? Also, who did Arugula get his points from if he's "recycling."

Also, like Arugula pointed out, he seems to magically appear whenever someone draws attention to him.

Like Arugula said, I dislike how he's suddenly in Vijay's "corner" so to speak after voting him.

I was just thinking through some of the players I missed, and look what I found in relation to LS and Arug. I'll admit I'm cherrypicking, but the others were trying to direct votes, and a single ask for clarification post.

which is just LS buddying me.

So why aren't you looking at Rach, Jal, and Uber?

And why am I a tad scummy?

And why isn't your vote on me?

tl;dr
He puts down his own reads.
He doesn't mind being lynched, but then actively tries to avoid being lynched.
He admits to cherry-picking.
He is guilty by association with LS.
He OMGUS's me without putting down a vote.

[Arugula]

Anyone think Jal could be scumbuddies with LS? hmmm

*raises hand*

[Arugula]

Arugula

:

I know all three of you can't be scum. And calling THREE people scummy does not leave me blowing in the wind to every bandwagon. Nice misrep.

And that is not deflection. What am I deflecting in that post?

That's

not

misrepresenting. You are pulling reads reads out of your ass, and leaving yourself open to potential bandwagons. Your reads don't even make sense either - if you

even post a case

. Your initial Scum-Phill case (when prompted by drmyshotgun) relied heavily on scum associations with Uber, LS, Gunny, and maybe Rach(?) How is defending Rach even scummy? Your unvote of drmyshotgun followed by a vote onto Vijay after posting a fairly scummy ISO of Phill (and failing to vote for him) is also suspect. I'm really unclear why you even voted for Vijay. From reading your posts, it seems as though he was scummy through associations with others and there's not much more than that on himself specifically. Certainly not enough to keep your vote on him at the end of D1.

D2 you later latch onto Lucky's conclusion and say,

That along with Luckyjt's very strategical questions make me think Phil is scum.

You cherry pick Lucky's conclusions of his questions to help catapult your own vote onto Phill and pretty much disregard everything else, as you don't agree with his conclusions on both Uber and I (at least, not until you change your mind later on).

Frankly, you don't even have a case on anyone else. I went from being a town read to you seemingly being down with my lynch - which you first proposed with being okay with immediately after your main scum read votes for me. What? Uberninja is suddenly "probably scum." What?

This is deflecting:

So why aren't you looking at Rach, Jal, and Uber?

You are trying to deflect Phill's attention away from yourself and onto his other potential scum reads. Along with trying to deflect my own attention off of you and onto other bandwagons (which I already commented on a few). You really don't like attention on you, do you?

Jal shut up. You are scum. Get over it.

[Arugula]

Jal is scum. Can we please lynch her? Now she is listing Rach as a townread to try and convince her to be on Jal's side and mislynch me. Don't do it Rach. Jal. Is. Evil.

[Arugula]

Jal is trying. But failing. But she is recruiting. Don't fall for it.

[Arugula]

My read changed on Jal because I was confusing her and lucky in another game we are playing. I think she's scum.

If lucky is town, Phil is scum, btw.

[Arugula]

No, I am not scum in this game.

[Arugula]

I assure you that regardless of my flip Uber is town, I am convinced enough of that. I'll admit that you make a convincing case there. I am not retracting my vote simply because as convincing as it is, I'm still sure enough that you're scum that I'm happy to stake my (albeit pretty useless) lynch on it.

This is basically a scum confession.

Vote Phil. Lucky is town.

[Arugula]

Basically, if Phil is scum, Rach is scum.

If Phil is town we lynch Jal.

[Arugula]

@Uber
Yes, if Phil is town, GNR is a good lynch after Jal.

@Jal
My lynch isn't happening today. Get over it. Your reasoning was terrible anyway. I'm not going to try to move you to a Phil lynch. You see the case against him. Pick a side.

And you think Rach is just overly trusting of Phil? MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE SCUMBUDDIES. Seriously, you answered your own question.

[Arugula]

Town should never self-hammer. Period.

[Arugula]

Meh I'm getting town vibes too but his flip would be informative.

[Arugula]

What? I'm not sure he is town, but I am getting town vibes. Either way, his flip would be informative. What don't you understand about that?

[Arugula]

I am aware that this is standard site meta. Self hammering is bad for townies, and scum fundamentally shouldn't anyway. However, I have one question. Under the circumstances, why?

There are at least 4 plans going around that rely on my flip, so if we're going to track down scum, cutting the WIFOM and getting a flip looks like the best course of action here. I'm fairly useless as I have very few reads to go by due to pure confusion, I'm a VT so nothing of value will be lost, and my flip allows better players to figure out more of what's going on. It would by no means be a wasted lynch. You know as well as I that if someone else dropped the hammer you wouldn't bat an eyelid, so why is it so bad, given the current standings, for me to do the same?

Basically this. I don't see scum doing this.

And a scum lynch is better than an informative town lynch, but I thought the Phil lynch was going to be it today.

UNVOTE: Phil
VOTE: Jal

[Arugula]

Jaaaaaalllll....

tick tock tick tock

IS THIS AN ALLUSION TO MINI 1337 WHEN I SAID THAT INSTEAD OF HAMMERING YOU TO RUB IN IN THE TOWN'S FACE?!?!?!

[Arugula]

idk....



IS IT?!!!!?!?!?

If it is you are a deadman.

[Arugula]

CLAIM BABY CLAIM

And list your reads

[Arugula]

But Jal's reaction to being lynched or put at L-1 makes me feel better in her being scum.

[Arugula]

VOTE: Bitmap

[Arugula]

GNR is scum, therefore making you scum.

[Arugula]

No

[Arugula]

Hey, Arug. Check the setup.

Why? I know what it is.

No

VOTE: Arugula

Bad vote is bad. Did you reread? Did you see how I have been pushing Jal this whole game?

[Arugula]

UNVOTE: Bitmap
VOTE: luckyjt

[Arugula]

But Trollie couldn't have performed the NK.

But if you want to lynch Phil or Rach (preferably Rach), that's fine by me.

[Arugula]

Yeah and the more I think about her "townslip", the faker it seems.

She didn't know what size game it was, and she very likely might have not known her role PM at the time, or got it confused with another game.

[Arugula]

Lucky, I was screaming for a Jal lynch when no one was even considering it. Why would I bus like that? As scum, I would have no benefit to doing so.

Uber, Trollie couldn't have performed the NK, so Magua is not scum. You look incredibly scummy for not wanting his plan to go through and voting him. Your reason is that you are upset you won't be getting the doctor's protection, but it might be because you won't have an excuse as to why you weren't NK'd anymore.

UNVOTE:

[Arugula]

@ Lucky

I am no more scum than I was in N 1206...

WHOA GUYS. CONFTOWN HERE!

Seriously Rach,

that's

your defense?

[Arugula]

Uh, yay?

[Arugula]

It's alright.

[Arugula]

Oh, and Jal, I never had a case against you. It was all gut. And thank God no one else pressured me on my 180 of my thoughts on you, or else I would've been in trouble.

[Arugula]

Hehehe